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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #31
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Zorn List Digest Monday, August 28 2000 Volume 03 : Number 031
In this issue:
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theory.org.uk trading cards
Re: metal: black etc
Delay/"Automatic Writing"/Dean Roberts?
Re: Baron Discography/David Sanborn
Re: Baron Discography/David Sanborn
Re: Delay/Dean Roberts?
Music library(was: genres) (long-ish)
Sixun
Brad Shepik
Brad Shepik (continued)
Re: Brad Shepik (continued)
Re: metal: black etc
taj mahal travellers 1971
The sound of sun city girls
Re: metal: black etc
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:30:59 -0400
From: Lang Thompson <wlt4@mindspring.com>
Subject: theory.org.uk trading cards
http://www.theory.org.uk/cards/
Off topic sure (we're allowed two per year right?) but still of interest to
many Zornlisters.
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Adventures In Sound
http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures.htm
Full Alert Film Review
http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm
Outsider Music Mailing List
http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/outsider.htm
Funhouse
http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/funhouse.htm
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:38:54 EDT
From: Nudeants@aol.com
Subject: Re: metal: black etc
In a message dated 8/27/00 6:51:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sunny70@sirius.com writes:
<< Funny, my list would have looked almost exactly like this! Except that I'd
add Meshuggah's "Chaosphere." (I think it was Steve Smith who kept going on
and on about Meshuggah and Gorguts.) I'd also recommend Slayer's "South of
Heaven." And for some gleefully over-the-top stuff, Cradle of Filth's... I
can't remember the title, it's the one with the half-naked woman on the
cover... >>
I knew I forgot something! I'd but both of Meshuggah's on there, actually.
Also, a band called Human Remains put out an EP called 'Using Sickness as a
Hero' which is very good, though only 17 minutes long.
- -matt mitchell
- -
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:40:14 -0600
From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S) " <M_WIRZBICKI@ColoradoCollege.edu>
Subject: Delay/"Automatic Writing"/Dean Roberts?
Bill Wrote:
>I'm particular interested in Vladislav Delay these days. I wonder if Jon
>has thought about working with him.
ME TOO!. (interested in him that is). I bought "entain" (Mille Plateaux)
out of curiousity...listened to it once and enjoyed it well enough but
couldn't form an opinion...really interesting sounds but I couldn't figure
out if the disc was much more than an enjoyable undulating soundscape. I
listened again and still had about the same reaction. I kept listening to
it simply because I enjoyed the sounds but eventually I began to get a feel
for the whole album. I really think it is one long album...not 5 tracks.
then I listened louder and louder. it got better and better. I think that
the album is carefully thought out and rather effective.
People who can handle really slowly evolving music might enjoy this.
It reminds me of Automatic Writing a bit. The breathing, voices, mumblings
that Delay hides under the sounds are really captivating and at times almost
erotic. Different from the disturbing feeling that the voices in automatic
writing transmit. Entain is very captivating but Automatic writing is
incredible. If you haven't heard it please do.
FWIW- I also bought a copy of Delay's "Multila" because I liked "Entain" so
much but Multila hasn't grown on me much at all.
For those who like entain I'd recommend Plastikman (richie Hawtin)'s album
"Consumed". I like that one a bunch too although all I have is a burned
copy and badly burned at that...there are short silences between tracks
which are a bit frustrating.
Jon Wrote:
>also, if you haven't heard Dean's Ritornell release yet, you should.
I'd be curious to hear some comments his solo releases. I haven't heard any
of his music. I saw "All Cracked Media" at Forced Exposure which I thought
was on Mille Plateaux. Is this the disc you're refering to Jon? The only
other one I've seen listed is "Moth Park: Soundtracks to Utopia" on a New
Zealand label.
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:43:23 -0400
From: "Peter Risser" <risser@cinci.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Baron Discography/David Sanborn
Yeah, boy, I sure wish they'd bring THESE back to some cable channel or
other.
> >>>Does David have some Downtown hidden somewhere deep inside?<<<
>
> Sandborn's TV Show "Night Music" from a few years back was a pretty
> surprising showcase (at times) for the music we know and love.
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:01:06 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: Baron Discography/David Sanborn
On Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 10:43:23PM -0400, Peter Risser wrote:
> Yeah, boy, I sure wish they'd bring THESE back to some cable channel or
> other.
They useta have them on BET on Jazz twice daily. I suspect they'll
eventually return.
Though usually horribly laden with Smoooooooth Jazz, the channel has
some surprises. Right now I'm watching "Live at the Knitting Factory"
with Lee Ranaldo/William Hooker duets and the Matthew Shipp Trio.
A good show, though week after week the tape appears to snarl and
glitch.
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:56:33 EDT
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: Delay/Dean Roberts?
Vladislav Delay fans might be interested in checking this out:
<<for anyone interested in downloading a 30 meg live set from vladislav
delay.. go to:
http://www.native-instruments.com/english/1_news/6_lab.html>>
<<I saw "All Cracked Media" at Forced Exposure which I thought
was on Mille Plateaux. Is this the disc you're refering to Jon?>>
no, All Cracked Medias is on Mille Plateaux and is from 1998. then early this
year, he released And the Black Moths Play The Grand Cinema on Ritornell
which is the CD I was referring to.
<<I'd be curious to hear some comments on his solo releases. I haven't heard
any
of his music.>>
he's very chameleon-like, working in numerous different contexts. for
instance, earlier this week, I saw him play the harmonium with Tony Conrad
and Tim Barnes at the Angus MacLise CD release party. I'm still waiting to
hear the recording of his concert with Otomo in New Zealand earlier this
year, which the audience supposedly hated. I'd suggest starting with either
the Mille Plateaux one (which is all-instrumental, and very good, although it
took a few listens to grow on me) or the Ritornell one (which as I said in
the last post, has some vocals). I actually think that Aluminium may be his
most fully realized project yet, but I'm obviously biased.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 03:00:16 GMT
From: "robert ludington" <felonious_punk@hotmail.com>
Subject: Music library(was: genres) (long-ish)
Fellow Zornsters,
I've come to appreciate the vast amount of wisedom and expertise on this
list as i've mainly lurked(posted & asked for help a few times) for a couple
of years, and first off i want to thank everyone for that & their help. I
also wanted to submit an idea i've been mulling over for quite some time
now, pretty much every spare second i get when not working, or doing school
stuff, and i was wondering if i could get people's opnions on it...
Although it might not seem it, it is related to the Zorn-list mainly
because one of the discussions on here about music
collections/libraries(last fall was it?) is what sparked the idea.
Basically i am really dissapointed by both the lack of music in public
libraries and the condition they are usually in, and also that many people
cannot seem to find good homes for their old vinyl as the replace it with
CD's.... and also the meager few dollars one gets for used CD's, especially
of the more 'out' variety(ever try explaining why you feel you deserve more
than $1.50 for a Eugene Chadborne cd & it's worth, even though you don't
particularly want that album anymore?)
So anyhow, i was thinking that as awesome as it is that alot of people
support their favorite artists, and like Zorn, have huge record collections,
i thought why not try to create a *public* library of this sort,
concentrating strictly on music(and maybe a few music related books/video's)
and also try to specialize in rare traditional jazz/avant/indie
rock/classical/etc?? This way everyone could share & benifit from it, and
hear music that they wouldn't normally be exposed too, and check it out for
a few weeks & maybe get turned on so that they are buying albums of this
artist & related ones?
I've tried discussing this idea with friends, kids my age and gotten
enthusiastic responses, but no real constructive critisism on how i might
improve my plan, or get it started, etc... so again, i figure i would turn
to the list since i've gotten such great response to posts before.... and
yeah, i do realize a few problems already (besides funding, which i would
want to try to get a 'non-proft' status)... problems like theft, the
records/CDs comming back in bad condition, and that some people/artists
might argue that it encourages copyright infringement(ie: someone borrows an
album, likes it, then tapes it & brings the album back & never needs to buy
a copy).
All appoligies if this isn't list-related enough to warrent discussion, i
guess if not & someone has any comments, please send them to me privately.
well, thanks for reading this & i hope that i do get some response,
~rob~
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:36:36 -0300
From: "Sh" <malleable@post.com>
Subject: Sixun
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:35:38 +1000
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Brad Shepik
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:42:32 +1000
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Brad Shepik (continued)
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Sorry, hit the wrong key and the message somehow sent itself...
Anyway, the CD I was talking about had a more 'traditional' Russian =
flavour even though the tunes were mostly originals by the accordionist =
and Shepik. Anyway, I have looked around quite a bit for Shepik stuff =
and didn't know he did this kind of thing. So firstly, does anyone know =
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anyone have any recommendations of his other work (aside from Pachora =
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 01:21:22 -0400
From: Peter Gannushkin <shkin@shkin.com>
Subject: Re: Brad Shepik (continued)
Hello Julian,
It's absolutely mysterious thing but I just finished to listen this
CD!
It is trio "Tridruga" with Yuri Lemeshev on accordion and Tony Scherr
on bass balalaika and Brad on acoustic guitar.
"Tridruga" ("tri druga" actually) means "three friends" in Russian.
Lemeshev played in lots of Soviet groups and bands even in "Plamia"
("flame") which was very famous pop band. He played keyboards there
though.
The self titled CD (Love Slave Records LVS 103, http://www.lvslv.com/)
contains several tunes by Brad and Yuri and one by Alfred Schnittke.
All of them remind me of Soviet film music of sixties and seventies.
They are very mellow, romantic and beautiful. They are performed in
kind of sophisticated manner though.
I heard Shepik with his own quinet (Brad Shepik - guitar,saz; Peter
Epstein - saxophones; Fima Ephron - bass; Mike Sarin - drums; Seido
Salifoski: dumbeks, percussion) and it was very interesting. It was
the presentation of his new CD "The Well" (Songlines). I think you
should pay attention to this project as well as to Matt Dariau's
Paradox Trio with Matt on reeds, Rufus Cappadocia on cello and Seido
Salifoski on dumbeks and percussion.
Monday, August 28, 2000, you wrote to me:
J> Anyway, the CD I was talking about had a more 'traditional' Russian
J> flavour even though the tunes were mostly originals by the
J> accordionist and Shepik. Anyway, I have looked around quite a bit
J> for Shepik stuff and didn't know he did this kind of thing. So
J> firstly, does anyone know of recordings such as this one which
J> feature Shepik? And secondly does anyone have any recommendations
J> of his other work (aside from Pachora and Tiny Bell Trio)?
- --
Best regards,
Peter Gannushkin
e-mail: shkin@shkin.com
URL: http://www.shkin.com/downtown/
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 02:40:38 EDT
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Re: metal: black etc
In a message dated 8/27/00 10:39:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Nudeants@aol.com writes:
<< I knew I forgot something! I'd but both of Meshuggah's on there,
actually.
Also, a band called Human Remains put out an EP called 'Using Sickness as a
Hero' which is very good, though only 17 minutes long. >>
Also check out Pan-Thy-Monium for some great Holdsworth-styled fretwork in a
metal setting. I guess I should mention Cynic's one-shot too, but that CD is
long out of print and becoming hard as hell to find. There's also a great CD
out by the band Gordian Knot that features the monster guitarist from
Watchtower- yet another great tech-metal outfit. Did I mention Spastic
Ink...?
- --
=dg=
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 01:58:45 CDT
From: "Kristopher S. Handley" <thesubtlebody@hotmail.com>
Subject: taj mahal travellers 1971
Has this release been discussed?
TAJ MAHAL TRAVELLERS, THE
Title: Live Stockholm July 1971
Label: DRONE SYNDICATE (SWEDEN)
Format: 2CD
I've heard great things about the 1974 concert on P-Vine, though the price
tag creeps me out a bit. Is the 1971 recording anywhere near as good?
Thanks much,
- ----s
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:13:35 +0200
From: Verstraeten Stefan <stefan.verstraeten@wkb.be>
Subject: The sound of sun city girls
Hello,
I noticed from mailing lists (DMG, Forced exposure, Other Music) that the
"sun city girls" have a reissue of their albums.
Now, can anybody on this list explain how these persons sound like? They
seem to use the "normal" jazz instruments (upright bass, ...), but somehow I
suspect that they don't play it the normal way, but play a more "out" jazz.
Is this correct?
Thanks for the help in advance,
Best wishes,
Stefan Verstraeten
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:09:00 +0200
From: Julien Quint <Julien.Quint@xrce.xerox.com>
Subject: Re: metal: black etc
Nudeants@aol.com said:
> Dillinger Escape Plan - Under the Running Board
> Napalm Death - most of 'em, except for the last couple - Fear, Emptiness,
> Despair is the best
Good recommendations, on the Napalm Death tip I'd like to add that the Peel
Sessions are really worth tracking down. Early Earache stuff is good (Carcass,
Bolt Thrower, etc.) And another Aquarius recommended record that I like a lot
is Discordance Axis "The Inaliable Dreamless" (not sure about the title... it
comes in a DVD box). But it's grindcore rather than blackmetal, though.
- --
Julien
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