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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #30
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Zorn List Digest Sunday, August 27 2000 Volume 03 : Number 030
In this issue:
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Mailing lists (was: genres)
Re: metal: black etc
Sanborn/Butterfield
Re: Baron Discography/David Sanborn
Re: genres-mailing lists
Re: Baron Discography/David Sanborn
RE: Baron Discography/David Sanborn
Re: genres-mailing lists
Re: wayside
Re: metal: black etc
Re: genres-mailing lists
RE: metal: black etc
Re: Baron Discography/David Sanborn
live Estradasphere MP3s!
Re: DSP/ electronic references
Called out
RE: metal: black etc
Re: metal: black etc
Re: Baron Discography/David Sanborn
need chadbourne material
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:36:00 GMT
From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com>
Subject: Mailing lists (was: genres)
>ps: what avant-garde list, how do i find it and is it worth my time? >same
>questions for the frith list i've heard about. at this point i'm >more into
>'discussion' than 'update' sortsa lists.
Don't know anything about the avant-garde list. Would also be interested to
hear more.
The Frith list is great, though not very active. Particulary interesting
because Frith himself is very frequent poster. He's been away for a while,
but has just returned. If Zorn also took the time to write on this list we'd
all be without many bad rumors and speculations. Frith is doing a great job
taking care of this on his list!
Check it out: www.fredfrith.com
JONAS
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:56:59 EDT
From: Nudeants@aol.com
Subject: Re: metal: black etc
Gorguts - Obscura
Dillinger Escape Plan - Under the Running Board
Napalm Death - most of 'em, except for the last couple - Fear, Emptiness,
Despair is the best
Cryptopsy - Whisper Supremacy
- -matt mitchell
- -
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:58:58 +0200
From: "Jerzy Matysiakiewicz" <jerzym@dom.zabrze.pl>
Subject: Sanborn/Butterfield
>(I've always thought that Sanborn is a
> skilled musician even though I hate his music.)
Somebody remembers fantastic Sanborn's solo in "In My Own Dream" recorded in
1968 with Paul Butterfield's Band ??
Jerzy
NP : Ute Lemper - City of Strangers
- -
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:03:54 EDT
From: Nudeants@aol.com
Subject: Re: Baron Discography/David Sanborn
In a message dated 8/27/00 2:40:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
User384726@aol.com writes:
<< I believe the world is coming to and end. I recently purchased David
Sanborn's "Another Hand" (1991) due to the fact that is has Frisell, Ribot,
Baron, Tronzo, Greg Cohen, Charlie Haden, and a few other whom I never in a
million years would have guessed were on a Sanborn album (There's even a
special thanks to Zorn amongst others who's names are so distant from
Sanborn's music and sound) >>
Surely some people here have/have heard Diminuitive Mysteries (JMT), the Tim
Berne Hemphill-written 'tribute' album, with Sanborn all over it? He acquits
himself wonderfully, and their sounds are not at all far apart. Ducret, Hank
Roberts and Joey Baron round out the band, and Dresser and Herb Robertson
guest on the only non-Hemphill-penned tune.
BTW, Herb Robertson's Certified came out around this time, also on JMT. Its
probably a long shot, but grab it if you see it used anywhere; its also great.
- -matt mitchell
- -
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:08:15 EDT
From: Fastian@aol.com
Subject: Re: genres-mailing lists
In a message dated 8/27/00 12:15:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
kurt_gottschalk@scni.com writes:
<<
ps: what avant-garde list, how do i find it and is it worth my time? same
questions for the frith list i've heard about. at this point i'm more into
'discussion' than 'update' sortsa lists.
>>
This list can be subscribed to at egroups.com. It generally focuses on free
jazz and has many thoughtful contributors. Many have migrated over here(I
also resubscribed.) It can come in digest form so you won't be bombarded in
your mailbox. Also at egroups.com is Feigenbaum's avant-progressive mailing
list which focuses on Magma, Japanese music, and things generally seen in a
Wayside catalogue. This is also very worthwhile.
John Threadgould
- -
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:20:21 EDT
From: TagYrIt@aol.com
Subject: Re: Baron Discography/David Sanborn
In a message dated 8/27/00 2:40:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
User384726@aol.com writes:
<<(I've always thought that Sanborn is a
skilled musician even though I hate his music.) >>
Right on the money. He's done some outstanding work on several recordings
with Gil Evans' band, well worth checking out.
Dale.
- -
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:29:41 +0200
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Antonio_Mart=EDn?= <amartin@ctv.es>
Subject: RE: Baron Discography/David Sanborn
"Another hand" is a wonderful record.
Joey Baron is trying to do the same thing with his records.
"Down Home" it=B4s an example. It sounds exactly like "another
hand", but I think that the problem is that Sanborn is better than
Arthur Blythe, then Baron must to try another way and not copy.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <User384726@aol.com>
To: <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: Baron Discography/David Sanborn
> I believe the world is coming to and end. I recently purchased David
> Sanborn's "Another Hand" (1991) due to the fact that is has Frisell, Ri=
bot,
> Baron, Tronzo, Greg Cohen, Charlie Haden, and a few other whom I never =
in a
> million years would have guessed were on a Sanborn album (There's even =
a
> special thanks to Zorn amongst others who's names are so distant from
> Sanborn's music and sound). It is quite interesting because for the mo=
st
> part everyone sounds like themselves (I've always thought that Sanborn =
is a
> skilled musician even though I hate his music.) While most of the albu=
m
> sounds a cruel and disturbing joke of splicing Sanborn and the names
> mentioned earlier there is something more disturbing. I love on of the=
songs
> and EVERYONE's playing on it! Greg Cohen arranges a medley of Prayer f=
or
> Charlie, from the Devil at Four O' Clock, and The Lonely, from the Twil=
ight
> Zone. Does David have some Downtown hidden somewhere deep inside? I w=
as
> wondering if anyone else had opinions of this album.
> Also a member was looking for info on Joey Baron so these sights sh=
ould
> help.
>
>
> Discography:
>
> http://www.songtone.com/Artists/Baron (Songtone's Joey Baron page)
>
> http://www.clearview.com.au/drumnet/baron.htm (semi complete through 19=
95 I
> think)
>
> http://www.ejn.it/mus/baron.htm (Selected Discography and Bio)
>
>
> Misc. Links:
> http://www.musicsearcher.com/b/Baron,Joey.php3 (links to Baron related=
sites)
>
> http://www.nwu.edu/jazz/performance/ns-sym/ns-sym-baron.html (a wonder=
ful
> lecture from 1994)
>
> http://www.drumweb.com/drummerf.shtml (links to many drummers)
>
> Aaron Solomon
>
> -
>
>
- -
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:14:28 -0400
From: Matt Laferty <bg60009@binghamton.edu>
Subject: Re: genres-mailing lists
Hopefully I'm not the only one with this question. I hate to miss a source.
Re: "Also at egroups.com is Feigenbaum's avant-progressive mailing
list which focuses on Magma, Japanese music, and things generally seen in a
Wayside catalogue. "
What's a
Wayside catalogue.?
Yours in ignorance,
Matt
- -
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:29:28 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Subject: Re: wayside
At 06:14 PM 8/27/00 -0400, Matt Laferty wrote:
>Hopefully I'm not the only one with this question. I hate to miss a source.
>
>Re: "Also at egroups.com is Feigenbaum's avant-progressive mailing
>list which focuses on Magma, Japanese music, and things generally seen in a
>Wayside catalogue. "
>
>What's a
>Wayside catalogue.?
To save Steve F. the trouble, Wayside is one of the best and longest
running mail order places in the biz (predating the internet by a decade or
so), specializing in progressive rock from all over, but also an official
mail order source for Tzadik, official US distributor of ReR, house their
own label (Cuneiform), and carry many other great labels whom you wouldn't
necessarily put in the progrock bucket. They annually publish a green
catalogue of items they think they can keep in stock all year, plus three
updates of specials, rarities, etc. All the information is also available
on the web at http://www.waysidemusic.com.
- --
Caleb Deupree
cdeupree@erinet.com
Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance
like nobody's watching.
- -- Satchel Paige
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:35:30 EDT
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Re: metal: black etc
In a message dated 8/27/00 3:57:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Nudeants@aol.com
writes:
<< Gorguts - Obscura >>
This is a *great* CD, agreed. Avant-garde metal at its best.
- --
=dg=
- -
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:41:05 EDT
From: Jeffcalt@aol.com
Subject: Re: genres-mailing lists
The link for the Avant-Garde list as well as many other jazz lists can be
found here:
http://msnyder.dragonfire.net/mailinglists.htm
- -
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:47:16 -0700
From: "Benito Vergara" <sunny70@sirius.com>
Subject: RE: metal: black etc
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Nudeants@aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 12:57 PM
> Gorguts - Obscura
> Dillinger Escape Plan - Under the Running Board
> Napalm Death - most of 'em, except for the last couple - Fear,
> Emptiness,
> Despair is the best
> Cryptopsy - Whisper Supremacy
Funny, my list would have looked almost exactly like this! Except that I'd
add Meshuggah's "Chaosphere." (I think it was Steve Smith who kept going on
and on about Meshuggah and Gorguts.) I'd also recommend Slayer's "South of
Heaven." And for some gleefully over-the-top stuff, Cradle of Filth's... I
can't remember the title, it's the one with the half-naked woman on the
cover...
Later,
Ben
np: scott walker, "it's raining today"
http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara/
ICQ# 12832406
- -
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:54:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <mingusaum@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: Baron Discography/David Sanborn
"Downtown" is a state of mind. Sanborn first came to
prominence playing in the Butterfield Blues Band.
See/hear The Resurrection of Pigboy Crabshaw'
(Elektra), which also features the late AACM jazz
drummer Phil Wilson.
He's also featured on Tim Berne's saxophone salute to
Julius Hemphill.
Don't look for him playing Tonic any time soon,
though.
Ken Waxman
Does David have some Downtown hidden
> somewhere deep inside?
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- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 01:15:33 +0200
From: Shlomo Weintraub <ba4205@fen.baynet.de>
Subject: live Estradasphere MP3s!
hi,
I found this link on the www.estradaphere.com homepage .......... go
ahead downloading (and uploading.. maybe...)
Karl's FTP(ftp://hunnahpu.myip.org login: estrada, password: sphere)
A fan archive of live Estradasphere MP3s!
tsch=F6 mit =F6 shlomo
- -
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:21:15 -0500
From: Herb Levy <herb@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: DSP/ electronic references
Last week I mentioned that I'd list some of the many composers &
performers who've been using MAX and other modular/interactive
software programs in live electronic performances long before the
current crop of laptop improvisers. Sorry it took awhile to get back
to this - here's a few things to check out:
Most of the recordings on the American (not the Canadian label with
the same name) Artifact label (including the HUB, it's member
musicians, Larry Polansky, Jim Horton, & others) are relevant here
(many early releases use home-brew software programs that were
precursors to MIDI,let alone MAX, et al) <http://www.artifact.com/>
and most of the electronic composers associated with the composer
collective Frog Peak (again, the earlier works use earlier systems)
<http://www.frogpeak.org/>.
Specific composers who aren't represented on the above labels include
Alvin Curran (recent eletronic works)
<http://ella.mills.edu/ACAD_INFO/MUS/ACURRAN/Curran.homepage.html>,
Karlheinz Essl <http://www.essl.at/>, George Lewis
<http://orpheus-1.ucsd.edu/dept.music/musicdept/lewis.html>, Laurie
Spiegel <http://www.dorsai.org/~spiegel/>, Carl Stone
<http://www.sukothai.com/>. Macintosh users can download working
samples from The Essl & Spiegel sites (Lexikon-Sonate & Music Mouse,
respectively).
There's also related work by earlier composers (as often as not also
made using homebrew software rather than MAX, etc.) using small
computer systems with a table full of electronics like David Behrman
<http://www.lovely.com/bios/behrman.html>, Joel Chadabe
<http://www.cdemusic.org/artists/chadabe.html>, Jerry Hunt
<http://members.aol.com/huntjerry/>, Gordon Mumma
<http://www.lovely.com/bios/mumma.html>, David Tudor
<http://www.emf.org/tudor/>, etc.
More than anyone really wanted to know, I'm sure, but hey.
Bests,
Herb
- --
Herb Levy
P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, TX 76147
817 377-2983
herb@eskimo.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:21:15 -0500
From: Herb Levy <herb@eskimo.com>
Subject: Called out
When I lived in Seattle, Periplum wasn't a bedroom label, but here in
Fort Worth it is, til we finally move.
Right now there are six Periplum CDs out, with about lots more in the
works. This year a lot of things were delayed by our move to the
Metroplex.
Out now are
P0010 Suspended Music: compositions by Pauline Oliveros & Ellen
Fullman performed collectively by Deep Listening Band (Oliveros,
Stuart Dempster & David Gamper) & Fullman's Long String Instrument
(about 100 strings each about 90 feet long for this performance
played by Fullman, Elise Gould & Nigel Jacobs)
P0020 Burning Water: interactive computer music created by Martin
Bartlett, with performances by Peter Hannan - alto recorder; George E
Lewis - trombone; Frances-Marie Uitti - cello; & Bartlett - live
electronics & programming
P0030 Catacombs of Yucatan: improvisations and compositions for
home-made instruments by Dan Senn
P0040 Archipelago: ambient/improv by LAND, a collective band
including Lesli Dalaba, Jeff Greinke, Dennis Rea & others
P0050 Clamourous Alphabet: collaboration by clarinetist/composer
Francois Houle & poet Catriona Strang
P0060 Sound Without Picture: a series of electro-acoustic pieces by
Nicolas Collins that deal with the senses
Work on upcoming releases has been delayed by our move to the
Metroplex, but at least some of the following CDs will be out this
fall with the rest out in winter 2001
Oo-ee: a set of solo works for flute commissioned by Paul Taub,
composers include Janice Giteck, Robin Holcomb, Bun-Ching Lam, David
Mahler, Julian Priester and others
Walking by Byron Au Yong: evocative compositions for combinations of
Western and Asian instruments
Soliloquy by Philip Arnautoff: a concert-length work for an
instrument Arnautoff built that's a modification of Harry Partch's
harmonic canon
Otis Spann by Wayne Horvitz: a chamber work for flute, clarinet,
cello & violin, as well as solos and duets with Wayne for these
instruments
New Songs: a series of songs for voice & piano performed by Ann Obery
& David Mahler, composers include John Luther Adams, Peter Garland,
Robin Holcomb, David Mahler, Maggi Payne, Susan Stenger and others
- --
Herb Levy
P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, TX 76147
817 377-2983
herb@eskimo.com
- -
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:45:19 -0700
From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel)
Subject: RE: metal: black etc
At 3:47 PM 8/27/00, Benito Vergara wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
>> [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Nudeants@aol.com
>> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 12:57 PM
>
>> Gorguts - Obscura
>> Dillinger Escape Plan - Under the Running Board
>> Napalm Death - most of 'em, except for the last couple - Fear,
>> Emptiness,
>> Despair is the best
>> Cryptopsy - Whisper Supremacy
>
>Funny, my list would have looked almost exactly like this! Except that I'd
>add Meshuggah's "Chaosphere." (I think it was Steve Smith who kept going on
>and on about Meshuggah and Gorguts.) I'd also recommend Slayer's "South of
>Heaven." And for some gleefully over-the-top stuff, Cradle of Filth's... I
>can't remember the title, it's the one with the half-naked woman on the
>cover...
>
Must second the recommendation for Meshuggah! Chaosphere is perhaps my
alltime favorite metal album. Their earlier disc Destroy Erase Improve
works in some very effective Holdsworth/Terje Rypdal-ish fusion.
Also, I'd have to recommend Strapping Young Lad. Not as complex as
Meshuggah, but with a hilarous and ironic sense of humor, and some truly
inspired hooks. "City" is probably their best record, but "Heavy as a
Really Heavy Thing" and the live "No Sleep Till Bedtime" are worth it just
for the titles!
____________________________________________
Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org
Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic
Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus-
____________________________________________
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 04:47:31 -0700
From: "s~Z" <keith@pfmentum.com>
Subject: Re: metal: black etc
What genre are God and Godflesh?
- -
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:01:49 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: Baron Discography/David Sanborn
On Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 02:39:07PM -0400, User384726@aol.com wrote:
> Zone. Does David have some Downtown hidden somewhere deep inside? I was
> wondering if anyone else had opinions of this album.
The secret link, if memory serves, is that the album was produced by
Hal Willner, who also put together similar amazing aggregates as Music
Directory for "Night Music", which Sanborn hosted, and the tribute
series that included "That's The Way I Feel Now (Monk)", "Amacord Nino
Rota", "Stay Awake (Disney)", and other they-did-what? classics.
- --
|> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <|
| jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt |
| Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt |
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- -
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:22:54 -0400
From: Lang Thompson <wlt4@mindspring.com>
Subject: need chadbourne material
Hi, I'm running Will York's interview with Chadbourne in my zine
Adventures In Sound and thought it would be nice to have an accompanying
review or two. Somebody had contacted me about a live review of a
Chadbourne appearance with a Finnish (Swedish?) folk band but I've lost the
message. I'd also be greatly interested in something about his book, the
"LSDC&W" reissue or the new Avant collaboration. Or if you have other
ideas please contact me off list.
Thanks, Lang
- -------------------------------------------
Adventures In Sound
http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures.htm
Full Alert Film Review
http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm
Outsider Music Mailing List
http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/outsider.htm
Funhouse
http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/funhouse.htm
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