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Zorn List Digest       Tuesday, August 22 2000       Volume 03 : Number 016



In this issue:
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       Re:  Re: hatart + anderson/bennink/doran + bley
       strange bedfellows
       Re: strange bedfellows
       Re: strange bedfellows
       Re:  Haino, Haino, and more Haino (and a little bit of PainKiller)
       haino
       Re: strange bedfellows
       Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #13
       Re: Haino, Haino, and more Haino (and a little bit of PainKiller)
       re: The Radio Cover
       Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #15
       re: The Radio Cover
       Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #15
       Re: The Radio Cover
       Re:  re: The Radio Cover
       RE: the big gundown - reissue
       Odp: Odp: tv trivia
       Coltrane
       Odp: the big gundown - reissue
       Elevator over the hill
       RE: the big gundown - reissue
       Elevator over the hill

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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:33:53 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  Re: hatart + anderson/bennink/doran + bley

In a message dated 8/21/0 11:28:51 AM, you wrote:

<<
In fact, ESCALATOR OVER THE HILL is still in print and (at least in Portland
OR)
quite easy to find (two stores have it).

>>

Actually, EOTH was out of print while ECM changed distributors and has now
quietly come back into print (along with the rest of Carla's titles), but
many stores (ie Tower) etc don't order a lot of back catalogue on artists
like Carla Bley (as they do not get a lot of jazz radio play).

Does anyone know if the restaging of it from about four years ago was
recorded (legally or otherwise)?

skip h

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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:42:50 -0700
From: "s~Z" <[e-mail]>
Subject: strange bedfellows

from towerrecords.com:

Tower Shoppers who bought  Escalator Over The Hill also bought:

1.) The Go-Betweens - Send Me A Lullaby
2.) Dave Alvin - Blackjack David
3.) The Meters - The Very Best Of The Meters
4.) James Brown - Funk Power 1970: A Brand New Thang
5.) Traffic - Feelin' Allright: The Very Best Of Traffic
6.) Neil Young/Crazy Horse - Zuma
7.) Jefferson Starship - At Their Best
8.) Black Sabbath - Mob Rules
9.) Jefferson Airplane - Volunteers
10.) Marvin Gaye - Here, My Dear




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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:57:13 -0700
From: William Crump <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: strange bedfellows

s~Z wrote:

> from towerrecords.com:
>
> Tower Shoppers who bought  Escalator Over The Hill also bought:
>
> 1.) The Go-Betweens - Send Me A Lullaby
> 2.) Dave Alvin - Blackjack David
> 3.) The Meters - The Very Best Of The Meters
> 4.) James Brown - Funk Power 1970: A Brand New Thang
> 5.) Traffic - Feelin' Allright: The Very Best Of Traffic
> 6.) Neil Young/Crazy Horse - Zuma
> 7.) Jefferson Starship - At Their Best
> 8.) Black Sabbath - Mob Rules
> 9.) Jefferson Airplane - Volunteers
> 10.) Marvin Gaye - Here, My Dear

That can't be right... could there have been a band called the 13th
Floor Escalators?

William Crump



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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:03:49 -0400
From: Dan Hewins <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: strange bedfellows

>  > from towerrecords.com:
>>
>>  Tower Shoppers who bought  Escalator Over The Hill also bought:
>>
>>  1.) The Go-Betweens - Send Me A Lullaby
>>  2.) Dave Alvin - Blackjack David
>>  3.) The Meters - The Very Best Of The Meters
>>  4.) James Brown - Funk Power 1970: A Brand New Thang
>>  5.) Traffic - Feelin' Allright: The Very Best Of Traffic
>>  6.) Neil Young/Crazy Horse - Zuma
>>  7.) Jefferson Starship - At Their Best
>>  8.) Black Sabbath - Mob Rules
>>  9.) Jefferson Airplane - Volunteers
>>  10.) Marvin Gaye - Here, My Dear
>
>That can't be right... could there have been a band called the 13th
>Floor Escalators?

This is the Tower Records website we're talking about...

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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:32:48 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  Haino, Haino, and more Haino (and a little bit of PainKiller)

>Oh, and now that I'm thinking about it - is the Pain Killer live album
>Rituals out of print?  I've been trying to aquire that  for a little while
>without much luck.  (You'd think it would have been included on the COMPLETE
>Recordings of Pain Killer...)

yes, it's out of print. it took me a looong time to track a copy down. (btw -
the box set is the complete studio recordings, which is why rituals isn't on
it, although that other live disc was thrown in...)

>Also, does anybody know if there are any recorded documents of Pain Killer
>when Buckethead was making guest appereances with the band?

there's at least one bootleg floating around from two sets they did at the
knit in 1993, with buckethead on a few tracks...

dave
bill laswell, mick harris, eraldo bernocchi and lori carson discographies :
http://www.geocities.com/slntwtchr

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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:54:54 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: haino

I've heard that Zorn has tried to get the rights back for the Painkiller
Rituals recording without luck.  I'm sure he'll reissue it when he is able.
Luckily, I found one about a year ago in a New York City shop.  It features
another example of Zorn's infamous cover art.   The live Painkiller bootleg
with Buckethead is pretty cool.  Bucket is introduced late in the set and
provides some sparse support.

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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:22:22 -0500
From: "Robert A. Pleshar" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: strange bedfellows

Why not? I own records by James Brown, the Meters, Neil Young, Black
Sabbath and Marvin Gaye as well as Escalator Over the Hill. I also enjoy
that Jefferson Starship song "Jane" when it's on the radio. I suppose it's
possible someone could like EOTH and the Go-betweens, whoever they are.

Ralph

NP(in my head): 2 Live Crew "Pop that Coochie"

At 11:57 AM 8/21/00 -0700, William Crump wrote:
list deleted
>That can't be right... could there have been a band called the 13th
>Floor Escalators?
>
>William Crump

Robert Pleshar
Head, Serial Orders
University of Chicago Library
1100 E. 57th Street
Chicago, IL 60637

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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 17:52:35 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #13

On Dorn's new label which launches in September, Label M.  Believe someone's
already pointed out (here or elsewhere, I can't remember) that this box is
due sometime next year.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]

Richard Gardner wrote:

> Following my request for info on the Rahsaan Roland Kirk Complete Atlantic
> box set. I contacted Rhino and got this reply.
>
>  Richard,
>  This is a Joel Dorn project and Rhino has no involvement in it. We
> have no idea what the release date may be. Sorry
>
>
> If Joel Dorn has left 32 Jazz. Where is this coming out?
>
> Richard Gardner
>
> -

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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:20:17 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Haino, Haino, and more Haino (and a little bit of PainKiller)

At 02:38 PM 8/21/00 -0400, Dann-Brown wrote:
>
>Since the discussion lately has been about all the Haino Keiji albums we
>don't like - how about the albums of his that we do like?

My favorite Fushitsusha is the newish two-cd set on Paratactile, I saw it!,
which has a track so long (80-some minutes) that it takes both cds, very
noisy and *very* well recorded.  PSF 15/16 (the second live one) is great
too.  I also like the Nijiumu that was included in Driftworks, and am very
tempted to get the other one by this group.  I have a hard time telling
what instruments are being played, which kind of adds to the mystery of it
all.

- --
Caleb Deupree
[e-mail]

Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance
like nobody's watching.

- -- Satchel Paige

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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:08:21 -0400
From: Taylor McLaren <[e-mail]>
Subject: re: The Radio Cover

MEEP! "&c." <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Where does the picture on Naked City's Radio come from.  It looks remarkably
>like some pictures of Mike Patton while performing with Mr. Bungle.
Man, that Mike Patton has a nice ass.

In not-so-stupid news, there's a fairly good recording of a Naftule's Dream
concert that has appeared on alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.bootlegs in the last
day or so. If anybody can tell me how it is that the seven files that make
up the entirety of the show were encoded (WinAmp reports at least three
different bitrates during the course of playback), I'd also be very
interested in hearing a bit about the software and/or glitch involved.

Oh, and while I'm at it... [e-mail] wrote:
>Actually, EOTH was out of print while ECM changed distributors and has now
>quietly come back into print (along with the rest of Carla's titles)
I've actually noticed a fairly impressive glut of used Carla Bley discs in
the stores around here ("here" being just outside of Toronto) in recent
weeks, and was wondering if there is any particular reason for this... is
there any additional material that has been tacked on to these re-issues,
or have the gods of casual musical exploration just decided to smile on me
for a change?

- -me



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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:30:35 -0400
From: "&c." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #15

Can some recommend some of Coltrane's experimental/free jazz albums for me.
His more straight playing has me hypnotized at the moment and I want to
explore his other side.  Thanks

Zach



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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:32:35 -0400
From: Mathieu Belanger <[e-mail]>
Subject: re: The Radio Cover

Hello,

>In not-so-stupid news, there's a fairly good recording of a Naftule's Dream
>concert that has appeared on alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.bootlegs in the last
>day or so. If anybody can tell me how it is that the seven files that make
>up the entirety of the show were encoded (WinAmp reports at least three
>different bitrates during the course of playback), I'd also be very
>interested in hearing a bit about the software and/or glitch involved.

Sounds like the files were encoded at variable bit rate. While I can't name a
specefic software, most encoders have an option to encode at VBR. Please
correct me if I am wrong though...

Hope it helps,

Mathieu


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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:32:21 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #15

Get the newly remastered, expanded INTERSTELLAR SPACE!

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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 00:12:08 -0400
From: Matt Teichman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: The Radio Cover

Isn't there a "Man Ray" signature on at least the back cover photo?

At 03:13 AM 8/21/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Where does the picture on Naked City's Radio come from.  It looks remarkably
>like some pictures of Mike Patton while performing with Mr. Bungle.  Is
>there a connection?
>
>Zach
>
>-


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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 03:06:42 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  re: The Radio Cover

In a message dated 8/21/0 5:07:07 PM, you wrote:

<<
Oh, and while I'm at it... [e-mail] wrote:
>Actually, EOTH was out of print while ECM changed distributors and has now
>quietly come back into print (along with the rest of Carla's titles)
I've actually noticed a fairly impressive glut of used Carla Bley discs in
the stores around here ("here" being just outside of Toronto) in recent
weeks, and was wondering if there is any particular reason for this... is
there any additional material that has been tacked on to these re-issues,
or have the gods of casual musical exploration just decided to smile on me
for a change?

- -me


>>

There doesn't seem to be much bonus tracking on the Carla's, save for the
version of "Soon I Will Be Done With The Troubles Of This World" on DUETS.
As for bonus tracks on EOTH, not likely, given that they really had an uphill
(financial) battle to complete it.

Does anyone know if the reissue of Gary Burton's GENIUNE TONG FUNERAL (an
all-Carla program) has any bonus material?

skip h

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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:42:33 +0200
From: Verstraeten Stefan <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: the big gundown - reissue

Hello,

Here are the tracks and players:
- -The sicilian clan (feldman, friedlander, ribot, cohen, baron, baptista)
- -Macchie Solari (hatori, saft)
- -The ballad of Hank McCain (patton, saft, baptista)
- -Suegliatti & Uccidi (ribot, bailey, dunn, baron)
- -Chi Mai (feldman, friedlander, ribot, cohen, baron, baptista)

So, as you can see, unfortunately Zorn does not play along....

Best wishes,

Stefan Verstraeten


- -----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Gadney [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: maandag 21 augustus 2000 11:14
To: [e-mail]; [e-mail]
Subject: Re: the big gundown - reissue


Hello!

Sounds very interesting! Can you give the titles of the new tracks? I can't
seem to find a tracklist anywhere on the net...

Thanks!

ARTHUR_G


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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:01:09 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Odp: Odp: tv trivia

From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>

> > We here in Europe also got the Microsoft ad with David Bowie's 'heroes'
(the
> > only way to hear Frippertronics on TV;-])

> To be pedantic for a moment: while it is indeed Fripp's guitar, I'd be
> quite amazed if it were Frippertronics,

Of course... it just had the 'fat' frippertronics sound (which is great,
btw).
Crimson plays 'heroes' as the closing number this tour (Catch them if you
can, they are great - they are just to start the US tour. There are large
improvised sections which are simply incredible)

From: Craig Rath <[e-mail]>
> And isn't the version that Microsoft used for their ads the Wallflowers
> version?  It seems to me I remember hearing the music in the ad and
> thinking 'cool - bowie' and then realizing it wasn't even his version.

That would surprise me... I was sure that it was the original. Anyhow, the
guitar had that fripp sound. (OK, so it could even turn out that it was a
keyboard ;-)... I worte it was Bowie with fripp on frippertronics- first no
frippertronics, then niether fripp nor bowie... The lack of guitar would be
a logical next step ;-)

Marcin Gokieli
[e-mail] [e-mail]
Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you
are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor


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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:20:21 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Coltrane

From: &c. <[e-mail]>

> Can some recommend some of Coltrane's experimental/free jazz albums for
me.
> His more straight playing has me hypnotized at the moment and I want to
> explore his other side.  Thanks

I'd recommend Ascension - a kind of a big band, recently reissued - and
Stellar Regions. Wild music (although I must say that I like miles's
'structured' approach much more).

Marcin Gokieli
[e-mail] [e-mail]
Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you
are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor



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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:18:07 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Odp: the big gundown - reissue

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Verstraeten Stefan <[e-mail]>

> Here are the tracks and players:
> -The sicilian clan (feldman, friedlander, ribot, cohen, baron, baptista)
> -Macchie Solari (hatori, saft)
> -The ballad of Hank McCain (patton, saft, baptista)
> -Suegliatti & Uccidi (ribot, bailey, dunn, baron)
> -Chi Mai (feldman, friedlander, ribot, cohen, baron, baptista)

Were they recorded at the same sessions that the rest of the album were? The
lineup are very 90's-like... i would be surprised by Bar Kokhba records from
the '80s...

Marcin Gokieli
[e-mail] [e-mail]
Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you
are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor


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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:19:56 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Elevator over the hill

> Does anyone know if the restaging of it from about four years ago was
> recorded (legally or otherwise)?

I know it was filmed... It was brodacsted on 'muzzik', a french TV channell.
A friend of mine recorded it.
To days later, the tape was accidentally re-recorded. So I've never seen it.

(And about the tower records list) somebody wrote:
> Why not? I own records by James Brown, the Meters, Neil Young, Black
> Sabbath and Marvin Gaye as well as Escalator Over the Hill. I also enjoy
> that Jefferson Starship song "Jane" when it's on the radio. I suppose it's
> possible someone could like EOTH and the Go-betweens, whoever they are.

What is REALLY surprising on the list is Sabbath's 'mob rules'. Why that
one?

Marcin Gokieli
[e-mail] [e-mail]
Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you
are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor



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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:25:49 +0200
From: Verstraeten Stefan <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: the big gundown - reissue

Hi,

The booklet says that they are recorded at atavar studio & frank booth by
david baker & jamie saft, but on first sight the booklet does not give a
date (unless I am looking not good enough)
However they are listed (in the booklet) seperately from the original tracks
that were recorded during 1984-1985.

So as a conclusion they should be new, since for example in 1984 Mike Patton
was not recording with zorn.... I think.

Hope this helps....

Stefan Verstraeten

NP Eugene Chadbourne & Paul Lovens (Leo Records)

- -----Original Message-----
From: Marcin Gokieli [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: dinsdag 22 augustus 2000 10:18
To: Verstraeten Stefan; [e-mail]
Cc: 'Arthur Gadney'
Subject: Odp: the big gundown - reissue


- ----- Original Message -----
From: Verstraeten Stefan <[e-mail]>

> Here are the tracks and players:
> -The sicilian clan (feldman, friedlander, ribot, cohen, baron, baptista)
> -Macchie Solari (hatori, saft)
> -The ballad of Hank McCain (patton, saft, baptista)
> -Suegliatti & Uccidi (ribot, bailey, dunn, baron)
> -Chi Mai (feldman, friedlander, ribot, cohen, baron, baptista)

Were they recorded at the same sessions that the rest of the album were? The
lineup are very 90's-like... i would be surprised by Bar Kokhba records from
the '80s...

Marcin Gokieli
[e-mail] [e-mail]
Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you
are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor

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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:19:56 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Elevator over the hill

> Does anyone know if the restaging of it from about four years ago was
> recorded (legally or otherwise)?

I know it was filmed... It was brodacsted on 'muzzik', a french TV channell.
A friend of mine recorded it.
To days later, the tape was accidentally re-recorded. So I've never seen it.

(And about the tower records list) somebody wrote:
> Why not? I own records by James Brown, the Meters, Neil Young, Black
> Sabbath and Marvin Gaye as well as Escalator Over the Hill. I also enjoy
> that Jefferson Starship song "Jane" when it's on the radio. I suppose it's
> possible someone could like EOTH and the Go-betweens, whoever they are.

What is REALLY surprising on the list is Sabbath's 'mob rules'. Why that
one?

Marcin Gokieli
[e-mail] [e-mail]
Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you
are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor



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