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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #15
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Zorn List Digest Monday, August 21 2000 Volume 03 : Number 015
In this issue:
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Re: Purple Trap
henry'n'haino (myra, carla...)
Re: henry'n'haino (myra, carla...)
ono / comme des garcons / lindsay remixes
Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #14
some recent acquisitions (long)
Re: henry'n'haino (myra, carla...)
Purple Trap
hatart + anderson/bennink/doran + bley
Re: hatart + anderson/bennink/doran + bley
Haino, Haino, and more Haino (and a little bit of PainKiller)
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:04:23 +0100
From: Dominic Lash <dominic.lash@st-johns.oxford.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Purple Trap
Just to give a more positive slant on this album (which I enjoy a lot): It's
interesting that Rich Williams describes it as a good meeting between Laswell
and Ali, with Haino divorced from them, because Biba Kopf (I think), reviewing
it in the Wire, said the same about it, except that he applauded the link
between Haino and Ali, calling Laswell superfluous. I feel that all three
players opt in general for a sort of angular interaction, preferring to allow
complexities that can be understood on repeated listenings, rather than an easy
corying of riffs or falling into rhythmic patterns. All the players have their
strengths: Haino's voice, Laswell's distorted and envelope filtered parts, and
Ali in general! Interstingly, I listened to this album soon after having seen
Fushitsusha at the London Garage, and I felt that it stood up more to bedroom
listening than much of the recorded Fushitsusha I have heard. Haino's guitar,
in the largely un-effected style on Purple Trap, is less stunning than the full
force of him live, but recordings of his wall-of-sound style can't really
convey the emotional, sonic, and purely physical power his Marshalls generate.
The (realative) delicacy of Purple Trap, I feel, stands up more to detailed
home listening.
That said, I don't think anything essential would have been lost if it had
been only a single CD . ..
Dom
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:28:09 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: henry'n'haino (myra, carla...)
Brian O asked:
Do you know who's in this band or, for that matter, if the band's name
is pronounced "zooid" (Zoe-oyd) or "Zoo ID" (Zu-ay-dee)? Anal Threadgill
fans need to know.
spoke with henry friday night (he was checking out equal interest at tonic). i
wish i could remember everything he told me about the line-up, but it was mostly
names i didn't know. 5 or 6 piece including tony cedras, min xao fen, a cuban
percussionist and someone playing oud (an oudist?). and, he said, it is
pronounced zoe-id.
also came up in a grandly social evening between sets at tonic was the carla
bley record 'the elevator over the hill' or something. someone brought it up,
others chimed in their love for, and leroy jenkins, standing there, modestly
pointed out that he played on it. i remember that record coming up here before
(brian again?). please: reviews, thoughts, info, and is it out on cd? (patrice?)
and since i'm talking, equal interest. i feel this trio (melford/jenkins/jarman)
is growing from a beautiful meeting of minds to something that could be a
significant band that will be around for a while (or at least i hope so, after
myra gets back from her 9 mos. studying classical composition in india). if you
don't have the disc, get it. and then next year, go see them.
it has also been said that...
Part of my disappointment is the fact that the lineup should have made a
killer album, but no. For a fantastic collab disc, the Haino/Baron/Cohen
album will suffice...
wow, i couldn't agree less... none of the three zornlabel releases rank among
haino's best. the percussion one on tzadik is pretty unpopular, but i rather
like it (although i rarely listen to it). the laswell/ali trio is what it is, a
superjam. powerful if somewhat superficial. but i do enjoy it. the cohen/baron
trio is, i think, easily the worst thing haino's released that i've heard (and
i've got a pretty healthy collection). it's wretched, haino's accoustic playing
leaves a guitarist to be desired and i think i'll go sell it.
Stefan Verstraeten noted:
NP Eugene Chadbourne: Pachuko cadaver
interestingly enough, me too.
- -
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 08:36:25 -0700
From: "s~Z" <keith@pfmentum.com>
Subject: Re: henry'n'haino (myra, carla...)
Stefan Verstraeten noted:
NP Eugene Chadbourne: Pachuko cadaver
interestingly enough, me too.
_________________________________
I started my day viewing the film footage of Trout-era Magic Band on the
Grow Fins CD-Rom.
For you SoCalifornians, pfMENTUM has Chadbourne booked at Ventura City Hall
on Dec. 2, with Jeff Kaiser's Quintet opening. Details when the time
approaches.
- -
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:45:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mike White <mike.white@usa.com>
Subject: ono / comme des garcons / lindsay remixes
I have just bought the separate Vol. I and Vol. II Comme des Garcons by
Seigen Ono. I honestly have mixed impressions of it.
I have read there is a 2XCD Japanese issue of Comme des Garcons which has
remixes by Arto Lindsay on the second CD. Track listings for this are
different than for each of the separate volumes I already own.
Does anybody have information or impressions of the 2XCD issue, expecially
the remixes? It appears available for a hefty price, so I'd like to know if
anybody thinks it's worthwhile.
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Date: 21 Aug 2000 09:48:49 -0700
From: Dan Given <dlgiven@altavista.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #14
> From: Dgasque@aol.com
>
> << By the way, can anyone give any insight / comments on Ivo Papasov's
> discography? >>
>
> I only know of the two CDs on Hannibal. The second one, _Balkanology_ has
> some of the most insane time sigs I've ever heard, and equally amazing
> playing. It is an absolute must.
>
> To think that people *dance* to this music just kills me.
>
To think that people can listen to this and *not dance* kills me!
Dan
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:58:28 -0500 (CDT)
From: Whit Schonbein <whit@twinearth.wustl.edu>
Subject: some recent acquisitions (long)
i'm on vacation, which means i let myself spend money, resulting in the
purchase of (with biased opinions):
uri caine - goldberg variations - this received some mention previously on
the list. more 'variations' of classical music (this time bach) along the
lines of the mahler project. more musicians and more variation on this
one, although not as much extended 'jamming'. i like it better than the
mahler probably because i don't like mahler that much but do like the
goldberg variations, despite really liking the lineups on the mahler
discs. my only bone to pick is one i've picked before (besides the
packaging): Like usual, Caine puts the vocalists to relatively ineffectual
use - David Moss mutters and babbles over some choral works that, in my
opinion, would have been better served left untouched, and vinicius
cantuaria mumbles some fake portgeuese lyrics over a brazilian variation
that, like the 'bossa nova-ish' tune on the mahler discs, only serves to
distract us from the wonderful miles'-60's-quintet-like interplay of the
band. All of this would be nicer if there were any interaction between
the vocalist and the rest of the band, but it just sounds as if the vocals
were dubbed in later. and the 'dig it' variation - consisting of
someone singing 'dig it, dig it, dig it over and over for the entire
tune', is a waste of time - sounds like a weird al yankovic outtake.
Why spend so much time arranging variations only to treat the vocals as
an afterthought? The two tracks with poetry are nice, although one gets
the feeling that 'fugue-ing' sadiq bey's reading in the studio was an
afterthought (since the poem itself doesn't fugue - i hope i'm using the
right term here). The two tracks with barbara walter singing are nice, as
they actually have lyrics (i.e., a plan). Moss' contributions on some of
the other tracks are more significant and work nicely. anyway, the amount
of time ive spent complaining about the use of vocals is not an accurate
indication of the amount of time occupied by vocal tracks on the discs
themselves - most of the time is instrumentals. anyway, very nice music,
overall.
Cuong Vu - Bound - w/ jim black (d), jamie saft (keys), and stomu takeishi
(elb). I am very happy with this album, as it is better than i expected
(not that i really knew what to expect). The songs range from slow
'ballads' to 'funky' intense blowouts. Jim black's distinct sound is
essential to the final product, and he does a great job; Saft's wah-wah
electric piano lends the group a 70's-era sound, and this is supported
(particularly in the slow tunes) by vu's composition style. Really
impressed. Vu sings on one track and surprise to me, i even like that
one. Stomu Takeishi on bass works out well, but for some reason his bass
sound lacks sustain, which makes it quite percussive and thus it
often fails to provide the basis for any chord changes (same as on Myra
Melford's 'crush' disc, 'dance beyond the color'). I find myself wishing
it were Jaco on bass at times...on the whole, though, very nice and i look
forward to hearing more of vu and his compositions.
Christian Marclay & Gunter Muller - Liveimprovisations - turntable and
percussion/electronics duos. Pretty noisy, but full of wonderful (and
humorous) moments. a short disc (~35 minutes) recorded live at various
places in europe 1992 and 1993. lots of pops, crackles, etc, due to
marclay, and complemented nicely by Muller. actually, i often can't tell
who is making what noise. wish the disc were longer.
Various artists vs. Disinformation - Al-Jabr - well, this one was an
accident. I read the back "evan parker, jim o'rourke, lawrence casserley,
mechos, simon fisher turner, tactile, and T:un[k] systems", and thought it
was a group improv. Turns out it's a remix cd of 'electric power grid
distortion noise' provided by someone or some group called
'disinformation'. after getting over my initial shock, it turns out the
disc is pretty good. parker provides a 13 minute drone with deep bass
distortion overlaid with multiple saxophone tracks; jim o'rourke's
contribution is hilarious, as it takes a jab at rap music and it's deep
booming bass sound (but it's a short contribution, only a couple of
minutes).casserley's track is short, and sounds like his usual processed
sounds as heard on the evan parker discs. The tactile track takes deep
booming bass to new levels of deepness and boomingness (and the o'rourke
track has no bass end at all, btw). Overall, a cohesive remix disc. not
beat-oriented at all, btw.
Vandermark 5 - Burn the Incline. Good stuff. Less of the psuedo-funky
music that characterized their first two discs (haven't really listened to
simpatico, so can't say). Strong playing all around as usual, with some
nice free moments. My copy came with the bonus disc (are there really
only 1000 of them? i see them everywhere i look), which is great. I
haven't gotten to the cover of bowie's 'new york is full of lonely
people', but i'm looking forward to it.
Masada - live in sevilla - yes, it's good. not sure how to compare it to
other masada releases, although zorn's playing does seem particularly
good, if still full of the usual zorn-isms. I've listened to the first 4
or 5 tracks probably 10 times, but have yet to make it through the whole
disc. Baron seems a little restrained and not as bombastic as usual. The
rhythm section is tight as nails. Douglas is douglas - i think i like his
playing more on the middleheim disc, or on the taipei disc.
frank sinatra - come dance with me - my first sinatra album and still my
favorite (along with @ the sands and sinatra and jobim). i think it's his
first with billy may doing the arranging (as opposed to nelson riddle),
and it swings. the cd version is augmented with 4 bonus tracks that are
just as good as the rest of the disc. and the picture on the back always
makes me think of jack nicholson in the shining - 'heeeeeeer's frankie!'
happy monday,
whit
- -
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:45:07 -0700
From: "Mike Biffle" <mbiffle@svg.com>
Subject: Re: henry'n'haino (myra, carla...)
> also came up in a grandly social evening between sets at tonic was the =
carla bley record 'the elevator over the hill' or something.=20
"Escalator Over The Hill... It's been a LONG time since I've listened to =
that and sadly, I don't have a copy anymore. Which brings me to another =
project Carla Bley was involved in... Any clues where I might find a copy?
The Michael Mantler / Edward Gorey "The Hapless Child And Other Stories", =
including Steve Swallow, Robert Wyatt, Terje Rypdal and Carla. Once =
again... I have the vinyl somewhere, but it's misplaced from a move 2 =
years ago and I'm really missing it. This is a real blowing session with =
Terje really blazing everywhere. Lot's of great Robert Wyatt vocalizing as =
well...=20
I'm trying to find available copies of the Ray Anderson, Christy Doran, =
Hans Bennink titles "Azurity" and "Cheer Up". They're out of stock on =
Cheer Up at the Cadence web site. Any leads anyone?
Best,
- -Miko Biffle
- -
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:37:44 -0400
From: David Keffer <keffer@planetc.com>
Subject: Purple Trap
Well, I figured I would add my two cents in on the
recent commentary of the Haino/Laswell/Ali cd on Tzadik.
The release has gotten a lot of negative press since it
first came out in March of 1999. I think I may sounded
an opinion in the Zorn list back then.) Anyway, having
listened to the cd over the past year, I think that there
are a couple fine gems on cd. The cd is over two hours
long and there is at least 20 minutes or so of really
listenable tracks. So, I don't think it is a complete
wash, as some have indicated here on the Zorn list.
David K.
- -
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:10:31 CDT
From: "Kristopher S. Handley" <thesubtlebody@hotmail.com>
Subject: hatart + anderson/bennink/doran + bley
>From: "Mike Biffle" <mbiffle@svg.com>
>"Escalator Over The Hill... It's been a LONG time since I've listened >to
>that and sadly, I don't have a copy anymore. Which brings me to >another
>project Carla Bley was involved in... Any clues where I might >find a copy?
As far as I know, you can get this and almost every other ECM CD or LP from
their Munich warehouse, at reasonable prices. I just succesfully ordered
Mantler/JCOA/Cecil Taylor COMMUNICATIONS on CD, as well as Edward Vesala's
LUMI---two discs I'd heard were way out of print. I suspect the remainders
lie in wait in Munich. http://www.ecmrecords.com
>I'm trying to find available copies of the Ray Anderson, Christy >Doran,
>Hans Bennink titles "Azurity" and "Cheer Up". They're out of >stock on
>Cheer Up at the Cadence web site. Any leads anyone?
Try Jazz Record Mart in Chicago, http://www.jazzmart.com/jrm.home.htm
I'll post the list of what they have left, simply because I think it might
not be up-to-date on their site. Apologies for bandwidth usage. (I'm not at
all affiliated with JRM, nor do I live anywhere near them. Just a helpful
tip for record hounds. AZURETY and CHEER UP are both terrific records,
BTW.)
- -----s
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6037 Fritz Hauser & Stephan Grieder-The Mirror
6038 Vienna Art Orchestra-Concerto Piccolo
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6060 Herbert Distel-Stazione
6064 Habarigani-Two
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6091 Urs Leimgruber/Fritz Hauser-L;enigmatique
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:27:49 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: hatart + anderson/bennink/doran + bley
On Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:10:31 CDT "Kristopher S. Handley" wrote:
>
> As far as I know, you can get this and almost every other ECM CD or LP from
> their Munich warehouse, at reasonable prices. I just succesfully ordered
> Mantler/JCOA/Cecil Taylor COMMUNICATIONS on CD, as well as Edward Vesala's
> LUMI---two discs I'd heard were way out of print. I suspect the remainders
> lie in wait in Munich. http://www.ecmrecords.com
In fact, ESCALATOR OVER THE HILL is still in print and (at least in Portland OR)
quite easy to find (two stores have it).
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:38:38 -0400
From: "Dann-Brown" <DLB7@prodigy.net>
Subject: Haino, Haino, and more Haino (and a little bit of PainKiller)
> the cohen/baron
> trio is, i think, easily the worst thing haino's released that i've heard
(and
> i've got a pretty healthy collection). it's wretched, haino's accoustic
playing
> leaves a guitarist to be desired
Even track 3 left you unmoved? The half-hour one? That track, to me, is
one of Haino's most introspective pieces and I loved it throughly. The rest
of the disc doesn't stand up as much, but I'd recommend the disc to anyone
based on track 3 alone.
Since the discussion lately has been about all the Haino Keiji albums we
don't like - how about the albums of his that we do like? Personally, I go
for Allegoricial Misunderstanding. That album never ceases to amaze me.
Oh, and now that I'm thinking about it - is the Pain Killer live album
Rituals out of print? I've been trying to aquire that for a little while
without much luck. (You'd think it would have been included on the COMPLETE
Recordings of Pain Killer...)
Also, does anybody know if there are any recorded documents of Pain Killer
when Buckethead was making guest appereances with the band?
- -Dann
- -
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