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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #14
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Zorn List Digest Monday, August 21 2000 Volume 03 : Number 014
In this issue:
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tv trivia
Re: tv trivia
Re: tv trivia
Purple Trap
Re: Purple Trap
Re: Joey Baron - We'll soon find out...
Re: Purple Trap
RE: Purple Trap
Re: tv trivia
Re: Purple Trap
Weird Little Boy
Re: Weird Little Boy
Avant
Re: tv trivia
New Zorn!
Odp: tv trivia
Re: The Funnest Album of the Year
Re: tv trivia
living daylights
Re: RE: living daylights
Re: The Funnest Album of the Year
Re: Odp: tv trivia
Re: Odp: tv trivia
Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #13
The Radio Cover
the big gundown - reissue
Re: the big gundown - reissue
Small FS list (non-Zorn)
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Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:07:51 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: tv trivia
clipd from a knight-ridder story:
Copeland [stingz manager] says Sting, a one-time punk rocker still known for his
environmental activism, never would have considered a television commercial a
decade ago. It would have been dangerously close to "selling out," jeopardizing
his artistic credibility to shill for a product. But today, Copeland observes,
artists' attitudes have shifted towards "business is business." Since Nike
opened the door with the Beatles' "Revolution" in 1987, the Who (Dell), the
Rolling Stones (Microsoft), Nick Drake (Volkswagen), the Buzzcocks (Nissan), the
Minutemen (Volvo) and Tortoise (Calvin Klein) are among the artists who have
walked through it.
ok, this is what i'm missing by not having a television? remind me not to get
one. but still i'm curious... what are the minutemen and buzzcocks songs and how
are they used?
btw, it's a pretty good article, incuding quotes from tom frank, editor of the
excellent journal 'the baffler,' and some guy from astralwerks. write me if you
want the whole thing.
or, for that matter, you can also write me for a copy of a story about the
progress of the proposed bluegrass museum in kentucky.
new threadgill band next month at the knit!!!
kg
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Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 16:09:42 EDT
From: Nvinokur@aol.com
Subject: Re: tv trivia
Buzzcocks - what do I get
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Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:24:23 -0400
From: Brian Olewnick <olewnik@idt.net>
Subject: Re: tv trivia
kurt_gottschalk@scni.com wrote:
> new threadgill band next month at the knit!!!
Kurt (or anyone)
Do you know who's in this band or, for that matter, if the band's name
is pronounced "zooid" (Zoe-oyd) or "Zoo ID" (Zu-ay-dee)? Anal Threadgill
fans need to know.
Brian Olewnick (Still catching himself saying "am" instead of A-M-M.)
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Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 18:15:39 -0400
From: "Neil H. Enet" <nilugo@usa.net>
Subject: Purple Trap
Hello list,
Any comments on Purple Trap's _Decided... Already The Motionless Heart Of
Tranquility, Tangling The Prayer Called "I"_
It looks like it's somekind of Painkiller noise, is this right?
Thanks for the info
Neil H. Enet
- ------------
- -
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Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 19:21:59 EDT
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: Purple Trap
In a message dated 8/18/00 6:17:54 PM, nilugo@usa.net writes:
<< Any comments on Purple Trap's _Decided... Already The Motionless Heart Of
Tranquility, Tangling The Prayer Called "I"_ >>
yep, it's a "power" trio of Haino, Laswell,and Rashied Ali. pretty wanky,
badly recorded and/or produced, and probably the worst Haino disc I've ever
heard.
just my opinion...
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
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Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 18:57:58 -0500 (CDT)
From: Whit Schonbein <whit@twinearth.wustl.edu>
Subject: Re: Joey Baron - We'll soon find out...
On Fri, 18 Aug 2000, Zorn List Digest wrote:
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: Theo Klaase [mailto:river_of_dogs@yahoo.com]
> Sent: donderdag 17 augustus 2000 15:53
> To: Zorn List
> Subject: Joey Baron - We'll soon find out...
> But, really, how can one go wrong with this
> line-up.... (frisell, blythe, carter, baron)
I just saw this disc at rhino records here in LA yesterday. i thought it
was interesting that joey baron's trio with ribot and medeski also plays
most or all of the tunes on the disc, e.g., at their shows at yoshi's
in san francisco last year (which was recorded by fans and is floating
around). it's nice to hear the different renditions by the differing
groups...
whit
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Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:12:56 -0400
From: Rich Williams <punkjazz@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Purple Trap
>In a message dated 8/18/00 6:17:54 PM, nilugo@usa.net writes:
>
><< Any comments on Purple Trap's _Decided... Already The Motionless Heart Of
>Tranquility, Tangling The Prayer Called "I"_ >>
>
>yep, it's a "power" trio of Haino, Laswell,and Rashied Ali. pretty wanky,
>badly recorded and/or produced, and probably the worst Haino disc I've ever
>heard.
>
>just my opinion...
I think its a great meeting of Laswell & Ali, its just that
neither seem to be playing with haino, nor he with them.
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Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:38:44 -0700
From: "Benito Vergara" <sunny70@sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Purple Trap
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of
> JonAbbey2@aol.com
> In a message dated 8/18/00 6:17:54 PM, nilugo@usa.net writes:
>
> << Any comments on Purple Trap's _Decided... Already The
> Motionless Heart Of
> Tranquility, Tangling The Prayer Called "I"_ >>
> yep, it's a "power" trio of Haino, Laswell,and Rashied Ali. pretty wanky,
> badly recorded and/or produced, and probably the worst Haino disc
> I've ever
> heard.
I second the motion. Haino goes wank wank wank. And Laswell goes bwomp bwomp
bwomp.
Granted, Haino has cranked out some pretty self-indulgent stuff, but there's
a certain lunatic intensity that runs through the drone-and-shriek albums.
In the case of "Decided," they don't seem to gel. I don't know, maybe they
just weren't listening to each other.
Part of my disappointment is the fact that the lineup should have made a
killer album, but no. For a fantastic collab disc, the Haino/Baron/Cohen
album will suffice...
Later,
Ben
http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara/
ICQ# 12832406
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Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 22:29:18 EDT
From: Nudeants@aol.com
Subject: Re: tv trivia
Surely someone must remember at least 4 or 5 years ago (maybe more) that
Torture Garden tunes were used for at least two different products on TV?
'Shangkuan Ling Feng' was one of them, for sure, and I know there was another
one as well, I believe. I wanna say maybe sneakers and/or video games were
being advertised....
I'm not making this up, BTW
- -matt mitchell
- -
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Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 22:45:04 EDT
From: Nudeants@aol.com
Subject: Re: Purple Trap
I haven't heard this, but the general sentiment (negative) doesn't surprise
me.
2 reasons:
1) Laswell's on it. His glubby sounding bass has made quite a few
potentially good to great albums mediocre at best. The first Massacre, parts
of Painkiller, and the first Praxis album are by far the best things I've
heard including his involvement, and I suspect I like these because the main
responsibility of the concepts/compositions are more attributable to other
people: Frith, Zorn, and everyone else on the Praxis album, respectively.
Most other things have his low-end mush and at least one example of that faux
reggae thing he can't seem to get away from.
2) Tazdik has something like 20-40 albums come out per year. Even
potentially great collaborations seem to be compromised due to the apprent
need to just crank 'em out.
I love everything I've heard of Fushitsusha and Keiji Haino, BTW.
- -matt mitchell
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Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 23:03:39 -0400
From: "&c." <parksplace@hotmail.com>
Subject: Weird Little Boy
Can any one tell me about Weird Little (the Zorn, Patton, and Spurance
collaboration)? As in who did the compositions/arrangements and why it is
so expensive (more than most imports). Any other information about style or
the songs themselves would be helpful.
Zach
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Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:08:25 +1000
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: Weird Little Boy
> Can any one tell me about Weird Little (the Zorn, Patton, and Spurance
> collaboration)? As in who did the compositions/arrangements and why it is
> so expensive (more than most imports). Any other information about style
or
> the songs themselves would be helpful.
I think it is actually improvised, not written or arranged by anyone in
particular. From memory, the stuff on there ranges from repetitive rocky
stuff to ambient. Spruance has said it is one of the worst things he has
ever been a part of, but it's not really _that_ bad a listen. It's certainly
not worth the high price, but I found mine second hand and I think it was
worth it, especially including the quite interesting artwork...
- -
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Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 23:31:47 -0400
From: "&c." <parksplace@hotmail.com>
Subject: Avant
Does the label Avant have an official website with information on release, a
online store, etc ?
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Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 22:59:53 -0400
From: "Jesse Kudler" <jkudler@mail.wesleyan.edu>
Subject: Re: tv trivia
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <Nudeants@aol.com>
To: <kurt_gottschalk@scni.com>; <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: tv trivia
> Surely someone must remember at least 4 or 5 years ago (maybe more) that
> Torture Garden tunes were used for at least two different products on TV?
> 'Shangkuan Ling Feng' was one of them, for sure, and I know there was
another
> one as well, I believe. I wanna say maybe sneakers and/or video games
were
> being advertised....
Sega video game system, right?
- -Jesse
- -
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Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 01:37:15 EDT
From: Orangejazz@aol.com
Subject: New Zorn!
John Zorn: Cartoon S/M=20
Passionate performances of John Zorn=E2=80=99s exciting chamber music by som=
e of the=20
greatest European classical masters. Divided into light and dark, with one C=
D=20
of quirky cutup compositions influenced by (among many other things) cartoon=
=20
music and another from Zorn=E2=80=99s S/M "Torture Garden" period. Both CDs=20=
conclude=20
with different versions of Zorn=E2=80=99s Jewish standard Kol Nidre includin=
g the=20
world premiere recording of his version for clarinet quartet. Beautifully=20
produced by Dutch master musicologist Gert-Jan Blom. =20
not coming out till october, looks like the most promising release on Tzadik=
=20
for the next couple of months.
from,
matt
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Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 04:45:32 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl>
Subject: Odp: tv trivia
From: <kurt_gottschalk@scni.com>
> ok, this is what i'm missing by not having a television? remind me not to
get
> one. but still i'm curious... what are the minutemen and buzzcocks songs
and how
> are they used?
We here in Europe also got the Microsoft ad with David Bowie's 'heroes' (the
only way to hear Frippertronics on TV;-])
Marcin Gokieli
marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl
Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you
are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor
- -
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Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 08:42:54 EDT
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Re: The Funnest Album of the Year
In a message dated 8/18/00 12:19:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
hulinare@bemberg.com.ar writes:
<< By the way, can anyone give any insight / comments on Ivo Papasov's
discography? >>
I only know of the two CDs on Hannibal. The second one, _Balkanology_ has
some of the most insane time sigs I've ever heard, and equally amazing
playing. It is an absolute must.
To think that people *dance* to this music just kills me.
This second CD was released, what- 10 years ago? He seems to have dropped
off the planet...
- --
np: OST- Babylon (specifically, Aswad's dubbed-out classic "Hey, Jah
Children")
=dg=
- -
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Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 08:50:36 EDT
From: Nudeants@aol.com
Subject: Re: tv trivia
In a message dated 8/18/00 11:45:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jkudler@mail.wesleyan.edu writes:
<< > Surely someone must remember at least 4 or 5 years ago (maybe more) that
> Torture Garden tunes were used for at least two different products on TV?
> 'Shangkuan Ling Feng' was one of them, for sure, and I know there was
another
> one as well, I believe. I wanna say maybe sneakers and/or video games
were
> being advertised....
Sega video game system, right?
-Jesse
>>
Yeah, maybe. I don't think I'd be abel to identify the product(s) even if I
heard it; it was quite a while ago.
- -matt
- -
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Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 14:03:58 EDT
From: Velaires@aol.com
Subject: living daylights
Just recieved their CD, which was produced by Lee Townsend and feature
Frisell. Anybody have any info on this group?
skip heller
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Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 16:06:30 EDT
From: Velaires@aol.com
Subject: Re: RE: living daylights
living daylights: electric rosary
liquid city records
personnel:
Jessica Lurie: woodwinds
Arnie Livingston: bass
Dale Fanning: drums, percussion
with Frisell on four tunes
produced by Lee Towsend
my first (cursory) listen, it sounds sort of like an avant-y jam band.
skip h
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Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 08:47:04 +0200
From: "Francesco Martinelli" <fmartinelli@tin.it>
Subject: Re: The Funnest Album of the Year
> This second CD was released, what- 10 years ago? He seems to have dropped
> off the planet...
I heard him in Istanbul w. Yildiz Ibrahimova and Okay Temiz...
_________________
Francesco Martinelli
Lungarno Mediceo 10
56127 PISA ITALY
email: fmartinelli@tin.it
webpage: http://space.tin.it/musica/upsma/
fax 0039 050 313 75 02
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Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 21:21:48 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: Odp: tv trivia
On Sat, Aug 19, 2000 at 04:45:32AM +0200, Marcin Gokieli wrote:
> We here in Europe also got the Microsoft ad with David Bowie's 'heroes' (the
> only way to hear Frippertronics on TV;-])
To be pedantic for a moment: while it is indeed Fripp's guitar, I'd be
quite amazed if it were Frippertronics, since it doesn't repeat in the
way that Frippertronics do, and the stories I've heard of the session
(that Fripp hooked up and put down the solo on a first take, without
having listened to the song first) make no mention of the use of the
double-tapedeck technology.
Damn, that's a convoluted sentence,,,
- --
|> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <|
| jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt |
| Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt |
| Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List |
- -
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 00:32:28 -0500
From: Craig Rath <fripp@mn.mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: Odp: tv trivia
At 09:21 PM 8/20/00 -0400, you wrote:
>
>To be pedantic for a moment: while it is indeed Fripp's guitar, I'd be
>quite amazed if it were Frippertronics,
And isn't the version that Microsoft used for their ads the Wallflowers
version? It seems to me I remember hearing the music in the ad and
thinking 'cool - bowie' and then realizing it wasn't even his version. So
it might not even be Fripp's guitar, much less the Frippertronics (which I
believe he did not use on Bowie's album(s), but he did use with Gabriel and
Daryl Hall).
Craig M. Rath
H: fripp@mn.mediaone.net
W: rathc@questarweb.com
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 08:02:48 +0100
From: "Richard Gardner" <print@colourtone.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #13
Following my request for info on the Rahsaan Roland Kirk Complete Atlantic
box set. I contacted Rhino and got this reply.
Richard,
This is a Joel Dorn project and Rhino has no involvement in it. We
have no idea what the release date may be. Sorry
If Joel Dorn has left 32 Jazz. Where is this coming out?
Richard Gardner
- -
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 03:13:22 -0400
From: "&c." <parksplace@hotmail.com>
Subject: The Radio Cover
Where does the picture on Naked City's Radio come from. It looks remarkably
like some pictures of Mike Patton while performing with Mr. Bungle. Is
there a connection?
Zach
- -
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:42:24 +0200
From: "Stefan Verstraeten" <stefan.annik@planetinternet.be>
Subject: the big gundown - reissue
Hello
Just bought the reissue of the big gundown....
Why? The disc seems to have an improved sound quality.... Maybe on a 1000
dollar hifi system, but on my stereo, I can't hear the difference.
Off course, the reason for purchasing the disc is because of the bonus
tracks. There are 5 new songs (tracks 11 till 15). Keyplayers are feldman,
friedlander, ribot, cohen, baron, baptista, hatori, saft, patton, bailey,
dunn.
I think that everyone on this list knows the distinctive ways that these
persons play.... but THE surprise for me was the track featuring marc
ribot - trevor dunn - joey baron - derek bailey. No, don't expect dereks'
typical cluster playing.... but the same style on his tzadik record with
tacuma and weston. Only this time, the track is much much noisier. It is
great to hear ribot and baron play again in their 80's period: fat, noisy
and dirty.
Personally, this track only made the purchase ok
NP Eugene Chadbourne: Pachuko cadaver
Stefan Verstraeten
stefan.annik@planetinternet.be
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:14:17 GMT
From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: the big gundown - reissue
Hello!
Sounds very interesting! Can you give the titles of the new tracks? I can't
seem to find a tracklist anywhere on the net...
Thanks!
ARTHUR_G
________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 05:45:36 -0400
From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey)
Subject: Small FS list (non-Zorn)
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pm.carey@utoronto.ca
- -
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