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Zorn List Digest         Friday, July 7 2000         Volume 02 : Number 992



In this issue:
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       transoo3 tickets
       [Kein Zorn] The Manhattan Dream Roll -- roommates, under $1000/month
       Re: Ribot
       Re: Ribot Inquiry
       Kristallnacht
       Odp: Odp: Thanks for Green/Frisell
       Ribot enquiry
       Re: Ron Miles
       Re: U.S. Customs
       Re: Kristallnacht
       Re: naive question about Internet record stores
       Re: Ron Miles
       Re: Funk
       Re: architecture
       Re: ribot
       Re: Eskelin
       Re: Thanks for Green/Frisell

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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:14:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ethan <[e-mail]>
Subject: transoo3 tickets

>From [e-mail] Thu Jul  6 18:13:46 2000
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 20:41:51
Subject: [transmissions] transoo3 tickets

transmissions site  www.transmit.org


- --------------------------------------------the third
transmissions festival::

july 14th-15th, chapel hill and carrboro, nc
at the cat's cradle and area locations

featuring performances by  fennesz, pita, kevin drumm,
kim cascone, lucky kitchen  (daniel raffel, keith
fullerton whitman, and nick zammuto), marcus schmickler,
dean roberts, david grubbs, john fahey,
hazard,  alan licht, rhband, pelt + others.

http://transmit.org
- ------------------------------------------------------

just to let everyone know, trans oo3 online ticket sales
through the transmit.org site will end this friday, july 7th.

both weekend and day passes will be available at the
door for $35 and $20, respectively.

please contact [e-mail] with questions.

thanks,
keenan



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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:16:25 -0400
From: "Ljova" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [Kein Zorn] The Manhattan Dream Roll -- roommates, under $1000/month

Hello folks.

A couple of my friends (females) are looking for room-mates starting
September.
Criteria:   Anywhere nice below 125th street in New York City... Upper West
Side, Upper East Side, Chelsea, The village, whatever.  No Washington
Heights, no Inwood.

$1000/month or less  (per person).

If you have any leads or ideas,
or if you'd like to join this list,
please email me.

Thanks!,

Ljova

(Ljova thinks to himself ... wow, a community of my friends, all rooming
together ... how cute... :) )

- --------
Lev "Ljova" Zhurbin
[e-mail]
http://Ljova.com/
Listen to my music:
http://mp3.com/Ljova/ (improvisations)
http://mp3.com/LevZhurbin/ (compositions)
http://mp3.com/FreeBach/ (Free Bach Project)

"Do not fear mistakes - there are none."
        -Miles Davis


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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:23:41 -0400
From: "&c." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ribot

"the popular sentiment is that ribot is better as a sideman than as a
leader."

I listened to a couple of cuts off  his recent release called "Muy
Divertido" (I may be wrong on the title, though) and wasn't really impressed
by it.  I really wasn't sure what he was going for on that album. That's
just me.

Zach

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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:34:16 -0400
From: "&c." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ribot Inquiry

"that I [Ribot's] don't think his parts are the most fascinating - that
would definatley be Mark Feldman's.  Frank London and David Krakauer guest
appear on two tracks.. I
wish they could have played on the entire album."

I couldn't agree with you more.  I also don't like Never Again, mainly
because my ears can't take the prolonged exposure to the high frequency
sound.  I'm not one to judge, but I would have cut down on the high
frequency sound.  The effect is well established early on and the subsequent
minutes are gratuitous.  I merely skip the track when I listen to the album.
It is a amazing album otherwise.

Zach

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Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 01:53:13 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Kristallnacht

> From: Charlie Brummer <[e-mail]>
> > On another note, any opinions on Kristallnacht?
>
> I have mixed feelings about this album.  On the one hand, thsi album
> contains some of Zorn's most heartfelt explorations of his Judaism (and
> being Jewish myself, I could find identification with it).  But on the
other
> hand, this album also contains some of his most aimless experiments
("Never
> Again").  Since this stemmed from a post about Ribot, I'll add that I
don't

You mean the tune no2.( i do not have this CD at home now), consisting of
sounds of broken glass?
I think that on this record the historical elements play a very important
role. So when you say that 'it'sd boring' 'pointless' etc. that is just the
reaction you are supposed to have - you just say that this sound of broken
glass is just a noisy unconvenience (JZ wrotes in the notes that prolongated
listening to the tune may be dangerous to your hearing.) The 'normal' guys
Germany thought just 'when will this unconvenience stop?' this night. Only
they could not switch the track on the CD - these sounds were not
recorded... It can make one think.
BTW if it is noty the tune you're talking about, sorry...
Marcin Gokieli
[e-mail]

<<Thanks to this excellent device
man shall reenter paradise.>>
Auden & Kallman, Stravinsky's "The Rake's Progress"


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Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 02:05:29 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Odp: Odp: Thanks for Green/Frisell

From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>

> Prior to that, early next year, there will be a disc by Bill's new septet,
> which is his current quartet with Kenny Wollesen (who I think is doing his
> absolute best playing in this group, full of shading and nuance), plus
three
> horns: Billy Drewes, Ron Miles and Curtis Fowlkes.

Septet seems promising...I'm not informed: what is his current quartet? He
was supposed to do some European shows in trio (wollesen/somebody) this
summer. It will not be recorded?
BTW, i've seen wollesen with David Tronzo trio? It was quite ok (althjough i
came late and could not apreciate it.) Who is that guy? his show sounded
very frisell-like.

> > His most 'jazz' thing i've heard are the Paul Motian on Broadway series
> > (i've got only the second volume) with haden and lovano. They play
broadway
> > standards. A great record, and certainly a 'mainstream jazz' one.

>
> Yes, you are correct here - I was only thinking of discs where Frisell's
the
> leader or co-leader.

BTW, there's also some work in trio with Lovano and Motian (labelled as
Motian), Does anybody know what is it like?

> NP - Discipline, "Discipline," 'Live at Moles' (King Crimson Collectors
Club)

What is that like?
Those who could have the opportunity to see the current crimson lineup live
should absolutly do it. I've seen two shows, and they are incredible. MUCH
better then 'double trio'. Trey Gunn is incredible, and the improvs are
really great. Fripp does things one would doubt to be possible.
Marcin Gokieli
[e-mail]

<<Thanks to this excellent device
man shall reenter paradise.>>
Auden & Kallman, Stravinsky's "The Rake's Progress"


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Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 10:18:36 +1000
From: "Lee, Edgar" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ribot enquiry

Kristallnacht is also a very good introduction to Klezmer and dealing with
the Holocaust.

Never Again is also a great piece to play when it's time to close your
record shop or get rid of those pesky guests at the end of a party.

Edgar

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Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 20:50:46 -0400
From: Nils <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ron Miles

Steve Smith ([e-mail]) wrote re: Frisell:

> Prior to that, early next year, there will be a disc by Bill's new septet,
> which is his current quartet with Kenny Wollesen (who I think is doing his
> absolute best playing in this group, full of shading and nuance), plus three
> horns: Billy Drewes, Ron Miles and Curtis Fowlkes.

Ron Miles!  What's up with Ron Miles?  That first Gramavision
record (My Cruel Heart) was da bomb!  (Don't know if anyone was
paying attention to the time signatures in there, but that's
some hairy stuff.)  The second Gramavision record (Woman's Day)
packed a lot less of a punch.  I remain totally unmoved by
Miles's more straightahead stuff, though that quartet album
with Frisell was kind of interesting.  Any more records along
the lines of My Cruel Heart?  A lot of energy, some excellent
contrast in there.  Electricity.  Or did he just up and move
on?

Perhaps someone can recommend similar recordings with the
same degree of "fusion" as that record?

Nils

np: Sacred System: Nagual Site

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Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 00:52:01 GMT
From: "Bill Ashline" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: U.S. Customs

>From: [e-mail]
>
>In a message dated 7/6/00 9:00:36 AM, [e-mail] writes:
>
><< INS has been increasingly difficult to deal with lately (for some
>reason these things do seem to go in cycles), but their concerns have
>always been protectionist and isolationist in the sense that artists
>requesting work permits and/or visas have to show that what they do
>couldn't be done by a US citizen.  >>
>
>this reminds me of a story Phil Minton told me a few years ago, in which he
>had to demonstrate at the US border exactly why he was a different kind of
>singer from the ones the US already had. I can just picture the looks on
>the
>faces of the immigration officials...
>

All of this and Elian Gonzalez too....
:-(






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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 21:04:03 -0400
From: "Dann-Brown" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Kristallnacht

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Marcin Gokieli <[e-mail]>
Subject: Kristallnacht


> You mean the tune no2.( i do not have this CD at home now), consisting of
> sounds of broken glass?
     Yes.

> I think that on this record the historical elements play a very important
> role. So when you say that 'it'sd boring' 'pointless' etc.
      I didn't mean to imply that i thought it was pointless.  I think
'aimless' is the word I used.  I don't wish to come across saying that I
think I know how Zorn could have written his own composition better, but
what's to say he couldn't have accomplished the imagery he was trying to
attain in, just to toss out a random number, four minutes instead of almost
twelve?

> that is just the reaction you are supposed to have - you just say that
this sound of broken
> glass is just a noisy unconvenience (JZ wrotes in the notes that
prolongated
> listening to the tune may be dangerous to your hearing.)
    It's can be an exhilirating passage.  It does get it's point across, and
with a severity fairly equal to the horror of the event it is trying to
portray.  The entire album may not be my favorite Zorn one musically, but
that wasn't meant to be a comment on the album's subject.  I apologize for
any confusion about that.  I had extended family members killed in the
pogroms.  Believe me, the message -within- the music means a great deal to
me.  I didn't mean to equate the two.

> It can make one think.
   And it most definately does.  But my comments about the actual music
itself stand.
- -------
Dann-Brown

np:Kristallnacht (all this discussion made me want to go back and listen to
it again for further insight)
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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 21:14:15 -0400
From: "Peter Risser" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: naive question about Internet record stores

I gotta say, sometimes it makes sense, but sometimes places show lower cost
while jacking up the shipping.  Computer hardware sources are notorious for
this, but even places like Spun.com (which has a sweet selection of used
titles) charges a minimum of 5 bucks shipping and handling, for a single
disc!!
You know, 3.20 priority shipping and 2 bucks handling.

It's a peeve of mine.

Peter


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Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 21:51:30 -0400
From: Matt Teichman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ron Miles

Wow, an opportunity to bring up two Ginger Baker albums in the span of two
nights :)  Ron Miles shines brilliantly on Baker's recent Coward of the
County, both as a songwriter and an instrumentalist.  Have you listened to
that one?

>
>Ron Miles!  What's up with Ron Miles?  That first Gramavision
>record (My Cruel Heart) was da bomb!  (Don't know if anyone was
>paying attention to the time signatures in there, but that's
>some hairy stuff.)  The second Gramavision record (Woman's Day)
>packed a lot less of a punch.  I remain totally unmoved by
>Miles's more straightahead stuff, though that quartet album
>with Frisell was kind of interesting.  Any more records along
>the lines of My Cruel Heart?  A lot of energy, some excellent
>contrast in there.  Electricity.  Or did he just up and move
>on?
>
>Perhaps someone can recommend similar recordings with the
>same degree of "fusion" as that record?
>
>Nils
>
>np: Sacred System: Nagual Site
>
>-
>
>

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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 22:59:25 -0400
From: "Peter Risser" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Funk

> Funkadelic's "Maggot Brain" (not really funky, but essential bad-vibes
> psychedelica

Yeah, not really funky.

> James Brown's "In a Jungle Groove"...an enormous Funky Drummer and Hot
Pants
> (She Got to use what she got to get what she wants)
> and Sly and the Family Stone's "There's A Riot Goin' On" and "Stand"
> and Rhino's "In Yo Face" series 1/2 to 5 will rock any number of parties.

I prefer the later albums from Sly, Fresh and There's a Riot Goin' On.
For good solid funk, I enjoy a lot of Blaxploitation soundtracks: Superfly,
Black Caesar, Trouble Man, Truck Turner
Meters is excellent New Orleans funk.
For deep synth funk, I'd recommend Parliament's Greatest Hits as an easy
place to start, with Motor Booty Affair being my fave regular album.


Peter


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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 23:15:23 -0400
From: "Peter Risser" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: architecture

I swear to God I thought I saw it in one of Cage's books, but then again, it
could have been someone attributing it to him instead.

Peter



- ----- Original Message -----
From: James Adrane <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 3:20 PM
Subject: architecture


> > >
> > >"Talking about music is like dancing about architecture"
> > >                                        -FZ
> >
> >Y'know, I've been wondering about this.  I've heard at least three
> >attributions for this quotation, and this site logs many more:
> >http://home.pacifier.com/~ascott/they/tamildaa.htm
>
> hmmmmm intresting, I've only seen it attributed
> to FZ but now I know better, intresting to see some
> of the names on the webpage.
> William S. Burroughs did his Bachelors in Architecture
> but then again he's not a musician . . .
>
> From now on I'll use:
>
> "A doctor can bury his mistakes, but an architect
> can only advise his clients to plant vines"
>                         -Frank Lloyd Wright
>
> Anyone knows if Zorn is into architecture?
> Just wondering. . .
>
> James
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Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 13:14:31 CEST
From: "Andreas Dietz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: ribot

>From: [e-mail]
>
>the popular sentiment is that ribot is better as a sideman than as a
>leader.
>there's some truth to that. i first fell in love with the waits records
>(swordfish trombones, rain dogs), which are still some of the best things
>he's
>been involved in, at least if you like tom waits.

Ribot is not involved in Swordfish Trombones, but in Big Time and in Frank┤s
Wild Years near Mule Variations.

His best recording as a leader is Shoe String Symphonette in my opinion. The
Solos on the first Bar Kokhba are incredible. The Sun Died is really great
and was one of the best concerts I┤ve ever seen!

It┤s a pity that Joey Baron has no plans to make a recording with Ribot and
Medeski.

Here are some other recommendations out of my roughly 100 piece Ribot
collection not mentioned so far in order of recording:

Third Person - The Bends (1990): Ribot is doing four nice pieces with Cora
and Bennett near other third persons.
Optical*8 (1992): Hoppy Kamiyama┤s group. Their first CD. It┤s kind of a
forerunner to Shrek.
David Shea - Prisoner (1993): Samples and Electronics worth checking out.
Kazutoki Umezu - First Deserter (1995): Jazz Rock at it┤s best with a super
linup: Umezu, Ribot, Horvitz, Cora, Bennett.
Surrender To The Air (1996): Unusual music and combination of musicians:
Trey Anastasio, Marshall Allen, Michael Ray, Medeski near Ribot and others.
Sun Ra meets Downtown - not perfect but expandible.
Noel Akchote - Lust Corner (1996): Guitar Duos with Ribot and Chadbourne.
Cyro Baptista - Vira Loucos (1996): Really nice brazillian stuff with Zorn
as a guest on two tracks.
Tricky - Angels With Dirty Faces (1998): Trip Hop

Andreas Dietz
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Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 13:22:40 CEST
From: "Andreas Dietz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Eskelin

There is another Mark Helias CD from 1994: Loopin┤ The Cool with Eskelin,
Helias, Rainey near Regina Carter and Epizo Bangoura on percussion, but I
haven┤t heard it for a long time.

Andreas Dietz

>From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
>
>Yep, Come Ahead Back ...is a fine CD (on Koch). The band is called
>Open Loose and it's a trio with Eskelin, Helias and Tom Rainey --a quiet
>drummer --a fine attribute to my ears. Another good set by  Helias is
>fictionary on GM records. To my mind,
>Ellerey functions better as a sideman than a leader (I can hear the
>flames glowing) and is epecially impressive with Helias. The GM disc adds
>the fillup of everybody'd fav fiddler Mark Feldman as well as two of the
>best "downtown" drummers -- Tom Rainey and Mike Sarin (on seperate
>tracks). Helias is a fine composer and greater player. If there has to be
>"chamber jazz" let it sound like this.

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Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 13:29:18 CEST
From: "Andreas Dietz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Thanks for Green/Frisell

>From: "Marcin Gokieli" <[e-mail]>
>
>Septet seems promising...I'm not informed: what is his current quartet? He
>was supposed to do some European shows in trio (wollesen/somebody) this
>summer.

Frisell is scheduled for the 31st German Jazzfestival in Frankfurt on Oct
27-29 with a septet called The Sweetest Punch:

Play The Music of Elvis Costello and Burt Bacharach
Don Byron cl
Curtis Fowlkes tb
Ron Miles tp
Billy Drewes sax
Tony Scherr b
Kenny Wollesen dr
Bill Frisell g

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