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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #991
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Zorn List Digest Thursday, July 6 2000 Volume 02 : Number 991
In this issue:
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ribot
Eskelin (was RE: -enson)
architecture
Re: ribot
ribot
Re: Eskelin
Re: ribot
Frisell-related recording info & Danny Barnes show: Seattle, 7/15/00
no zorn content, but c'mon, i was asked
Re: Eskelin (was RE: -enson)
Re[2]: Eskelin (was RE: -enson)
Re: Re[2]: Eskelin (was RE: -enson)
Re: Ribot inquiry
-esen (was: Re: -enson)
Re: U.S. Customs
Re: Ribot inquiry
Re: Odp: Thanks for Green/Frisell
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Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 15:07:48 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: ribot
the popular sentiment is that ribot is better as a sideman than as a leader.
there's some truth to that. i first fell in love with the waits records
(swordfish trombones, rain dogs), which are still some of the best things he's
been involved in, at least if you like tom waits.
the two rootless cosmopolitan records (his band) are fun, but not great. the two
cubanos postizos records are better, but still not great.
don't blame me (solo accoustic) on diw and shoe-string symponettes (soundtrack
music) on tzadik are both great, quite different. for pure playing, go with the
former. book of heads (zorn suite originally written for chadbourne, on tzadik)
is hardly representative and not likely to earn a spot in your heavy rotation. i
like ikue mori's painted desert (trio w/ribot and robert quine) quite a bit even
if -- as has been alleged here -- it's not what ikue wanted it to be.
i already mentioned eskelin's the sun died on soul note. please get that.
he's on about a zillion records, and it's always fun to come across his name,
but, of course, sometimes he plays a greater role in the proceedings than
others. see him live whenever you can. los cubanos are a great live band, by the
by.
>>>who wants to go see KISS at madison square garden in september?<<<
np: alan vega/alex chilton/ben vaughn - cubist blues (poppy mood today).
- -
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Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 13:09:51 -0600
From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S) " <M_WIRZBICKI@ColoradoCollege.edu>
Subject: Eskelin (was RE: -enson)
>not to start another debate about whether or not a drummer's allowed to
>have an off night, but kenny wollenson is one of my very fave top fave
>drummers.
>check out ellery eskelin's 'the sun died' on soul note. no end to how much
>i love that record.
I'll keep my eyes out. I'm willing to give him a second chance although he
does make some very funny drummer faces.
I've been kind of meaning to ask the list for Eskelin recs for a while. I
know the Parkings/Black trio is raved about but I'm kind of looking for some
other stuff. I've heard of this Helias record called "open loose" with
Eskelin and Rainey on Koch. Any thoughts?
Matt Wirzbicki
- -
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Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 15:20:15 EDT
From: "James Adrane" <jadrane@hotmail.com>
Subject: architecture
> >
> >"Talking about music is like dancing about architecture"
> > -FZ
>
>Y'know, I've been wondering about this. I've heard at least three
>attributions for this quotation, and this site logs many more:
>http://home.pacifier.com/~ascott/they/tamildaa.htm
hmmmmm intresting, I've only seen it attributed
to FZ but now I know better, intresting to see some
of the names on the webpage.
William S. Burroughs did his Bachelors in Architecture
but then again he's not a musician . . .
From now on I'll use:
"A doctor can bury his mistakes, but an architect
can only advise his clients to plant vines"
-Frank Lloyd Wright
Anyone knows if Zorn is into architecture?
Just wondering. . .
James
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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 15:21:31 -0400
From: Peter Gannushkin <shkin@shkin.com>
Subject: Re: ribot
Hello Kurt,
You forgot to mention Ribot's solo guitar works of Frantz Casseus.
This is the great work. Pure acoustic guitar without any effects or
amps. I saw Marc playing acoustic guitar in Cyro Baptista's Beat the
Donkey show. It was absolutely great.
His newest project with Roy Nathanson, Curtis Fowlkes, Reuben Wilson
and J.T. Lewis seems to be very interesting. Joyful straightahead jazz
with tunes like "You Don't Know What Love Is". Ribot was playing his
famous deep thick solos which sounded fresh in the context of this
music.
Also both Young Philadelphians and Baron/Medeski/Ribot trio were
excellent. I think that it is a very good time to him and we will see
several beautiful projects pretty soon.
Thursday, July 06, 2000, you wrote to me:
ksc> the popular sentiment is that ribot is better as a sideman than as a leader.
ksc> there's some truth to that. i first fell in love with the waits records
ksc> (swordfish trombones, rain dogs), which are still some of the best things he's
ksc> been involved in, at least if you like tom waits.
ksc> the two rootless cosmopolitan records (his band) are fun, but not great. the two
ksc> cubanos postizos records are better, but still not great.
ksc> don't blame me (solo accoustic) on diw and shoe-string symponettes (soundtrack
ksc> music) on tzadik are both great, quite different. for pure playing, go with the
ksc> former. book of heads (zorn suite originally written for chadbourne, on tzadik)
ksc> is hardly representative and not likely to earn a spot in your heavy rotation. i
ksc> like ikue mori's painted desert (trio w/ribot and robert quine) quite a bit even
ksc> if -- as has been alleged here -- it's not what ikue wanted it to be.
ksc> i already mentioned eskelin's the sun died on soul note. please get that.
ksc> he's on about a zillion records, and it's always fun to come across his name,
ksc> but, of course, sometimes he plays a greater role in the proceedings than
ksc> others. see him live whenever you can. los cubanos are a great live band, by the
ksc> by.
>>>>who wants to go see KISS at madison square garden in september?<<<
ksc> np: alan vega/alex chilton/ben vaughn - cubist blues (poppy mood today).
ksc> -
- --
Best regards,
Peter Gannushkin
e-mail: shkin@shkin.com
URL: http://www.shkin.com/
- -
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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 15:22:35 -0400
From: Jason Tors <jtors@organic.com>
Subject: ribot
>the popular sentiment is that ribot is better as a sideman than as a leader.
>there's some truth to that. i first fell in love with the waits records
>(swordfish trombones, rain dogs), which are still some of the best things he's
>been involved in, at least if you like tom waits.
He also plays amazingly on Mule Variations
>
>i already mentioned eskelin's the sun died on soul note. please get that.
I just got that and I am listening to it right now. I had always
wondered what ellery sounded like, I was expecting something
different, but I am happily surprised. It is a really straight album
with its little twists. Ribot sounds great on this and so does kenny.
Kenny has one of the largest bag of tricks in the downtown jazz scene
of drummers, I love to watch him for his little additions and facial
expressions. Another drummer I am really getting into these days is
mike sarin, what a monster, he has developed so much as a key player
in the past two years.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 15:36:53 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: Re: Eskelin
>>>I've been kind of meaning to ask the list for Eskelin recs for a while. I
know the Parkings/Black trio is raved about but I'm kind of looking for some
other stuff.<<<
why are you kind of looking for some other stuff? kulak 29 & 30 is remarkable,
as is all the eskelin/parkins/black stuff i've heard. a really fun record is
green bermudas, where he and andrea parkins play over recordings his estranged
father made when he was working for a "set your poem to music" house in the 60s.
it's on eremite, i'm pretty sure. the story of rodd keith, his father, is a long
and great one, well told by him on an episode of the great npr show 'this
american life' several years ago. might be able to get it through their web
site. his father's stuff is available unadultered on the tzadik disc 'i died
today.'
i don't care for everything he does. 'jazz trash' for one seems to be popular,
but never did much for me. i don't know 'open loose.' also, his playing was
strong in joey's trio baron down, even if the material wasn't stellar.
and as always, seeing him live is the real shit.
sp: cubist blues
- -
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Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 12:46:13 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: ribot
Kurt,
On Thu, 06 Jul 2000 15:07:48 -0500 kurt_gottschalk@scni.com wrote:
>
> np: alan vega/alex chilton/ben vaughn - cubist blues (poppy mood today).
And how is this?
Patrice.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:53:22 -0700
From: "James Kirchmer" <jamesk@telisphere.com>
Subject: Frisell-related recording info & Danny Barnes show: Seattle, 7/15/00
Hi there -
Greetings from Seattle, the home of guitarist Bill Frisell - and his
banjo/music guru/teacher, the phenomenal Danny Barnes (of Bad Livers fame=
).
Danny, as some of you may know, toured with "Bill Frisell & the Willies" =
for
a while, and has performed with Frisell in other contexts as well (i.e. -=
in
duo settings, and with the GREAT Buell Niedlinger's "Buellgrass" band,
etc.....Buell lives in Washington too, btw......and is INCREDIBLE....he's
played with Ornette, Cecil Taylor, LOTS of folks.
For the latest info, check out: www.k2b2.com)
I figure the press release below will of course be of interest to those o=
f
you on this fine list who live in the Northwest - but even if you DON'T l=
ive
nearby, check out the "Danny Barnes & Thee Old Codgers" Frisell-related
recording info tidbits found below.
And this is only the tip of the iceberg. These two will be working toget=
her
for many years to come......
FYI:
~ On Saturday, July 15 ~
~ at THE RAINBOW (722 NE 45th St. in Seattle=92s U-District, 634-1761) ~
a cool new band will be hitting the stage:
Danny Barnes & Thee Old Codgers!
FEATURING:
- - Danny Barnes - the singer, songwriter, engineer, producer, composer,
and van driver of the BAD LIVERS (and =93Thee Heathen=94) on banjo & vo=
cals!
- - Keith Lowe - on bass (Bill Frisell, Wayne Horvitz/Zony Mash, Fiona Appl=
e)
- - Jon Parry - on violin (Goose Creek Symphony, 78RPM, Zamfir)
** DOBRA ZUBY OPENS THE SHOW at 10pm. Cover charge $6 DOS **
(Dobra Zuby =3D another fine acoustic trio, feat. Nova, Dave Ellis, & Dav=
e
Keenan)
"This is the best group of musicians I've ever had the opportunity to wor=
k
with.....I'm very fortunate to be here in the Northwest.....people up her=
e
support music, and there's tons of killer players to jam with. Life is
good. We're pretty jazzed about our upcoming show at the Rainbow.
We've been practicing and touring. This is hard work!"
- - Mr. Danny Barnes
UPCOMING ITEMS OF INTEREST regarding Thee Old Codgers:
- - A CD is in the works, of compositions by Bill Frisell: a whole CD of mu=
sic
written by Frisell, played by Thee Old Codgers!!! Bill Frisell will
also produce and arrange the CD. (moreover, note that Frisell, Danny
& bassist Keith Lowe will be releasing a trio album in the future)
Stay tuned!
- - An extensive tour in July involving Chicago, Madison Wisconsin, St. Lou=
is,
and various other shows in that area =96 and a subsequent East
Coast-oriented tour in Oct., with dates in NY, Chicago =96 and beyond=
=85.
- - An upcoming performance at the Intl. Bluegrass Music Assoc. convention
- - And a CD of original music by Thee Old Codgers is currently being writt=
en!
*Danny Barnes & Thee Old Codgers: interesting, well played, acoustic musi=
c*
*MUSICA ES BUENA!*
**************************************************************
www.dannybarnes.com - DOWNLOAD DANNY 4 FREE!!!! (and much more!)
**************************************************************
related links/tangents:
Keith Lowe -
www.moonliner.com
http://www.chrisleighton.com/rodcookandtoast/
John Parry -
http://www.johnhartford.com/
http://www.owlnthistle.com
Thanks for your attention and consideration,
James Kirchmer - manhog@telisphere.com
Peruvian Night Train Publicity/Productions
~~ Seattle, WA ~~
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 16:03:00 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: no zorn content, but c'mon, i was asked
>> np: alan vega/alex chilton/ben vaughn - cubist blues (poppy mood today).
> And how is this?
it's pretty cool. meandering slow rocking, sort of like rumbling, rambling john
lee hooker stuff although not really bluesy. all improvisd on the spot in a dark
studio late at night, according to the notes. vega sings and moans, chilton and
vaughn switch off on keys, guitar, bass and percussion. from '96, but new to me.
nice to hear some trademark chilton guitar, since i've not been interested
enough to keep up with him for the last decade or so (although feudalist tarts
still rocks).
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 16:35:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Eskelin (was RE: -enson)
Yep, Come Ahead Back ...is a fine CD (on Koch). The band is called
Open Loose and it's a trio with Eskelin, Helias and Tom Rainey --a quiet
drummer --a fine attribute to my ears. Another good set by Helias is
fictionary on GM records. To my mind,
Ellerey functions better as a sideman than a leader (I can hear the
flames glowing) and is epecially impressive with Helias. The GM disc adds
the fillup of everybody'd fav fiddler Mark Feldman as well as two of the
best "downtown" drummers -- Tom Rainey and Mike Sarin (on seperate
tracks). Helias is a fine composer and greater player. If there has to be
"chamber jazz" let it sound like this.
Ken Waxman
On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, Matthew W Wirzbicki
> I've been kind of meaning to ask the list for Eskelin recs for a while. I
> know the Parkings/Black trio is raved about but I'm kind of looking for some
> other stuff. I've heard of this Helias record called "open loose" with
> Eskelin and Rainey on Koch. Any thoughts?
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 16:46:58 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: Re[2]: Eskelin (was RE: -enson)
>>>Ellerey functions better as a sideman than a leader (I can hear the
flames glowing).<<<
no flames, ken. i'll just assume you haven't bothered to listen to the hat art
titles.
kg
- -
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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 16:53:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Eskelin (was RE: -enson)
Just the one with Han Bennink which is fine (and a good example of
"hearing and not seeing" Han do his thing. But I have to become wealthy
to afford (m)any hat arts.
K
On Thu, 6 Jul 2000 kurt_gottschalk@scni.com wrote:
>
> >>>Ellerey functions better as a sideman than a leader (I can hear the
> flames glowing).<<<
>
> no flames, ken. i'll just assume you haven't bothered to listen to the hat art
> titles.
>
> kg
>
>
>
- -
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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 16:05:52 -0500
From: Charlie Brummer <brummer@agron.iastate.edu>
Subject: Re: Ribot inquiry
Some of my favorite Ribot guitar is on T. Bone Burnett's "Criminal Under My
Own Hat", a great album IMO. The lyrics are excellent, and his guitar work
complements them perfectly. Really nice. I also really like his work on
Zorn's Filmworks VI, "Anton, Mailman". "Yo! I Killed Your God" is good, but
much more experimental, sometimes a bit noisy for me.
I don't see much discussion of "The Circle Maker" or "Bar Kokhba" on the
list. These are two of my very favorite Zorn works, and Ribot plays
amazingly throughout--"Mochin" and "Maskil" on the latter, for example. The
music is admittedly much more constrained than some of the Zorn et al.
noisefests or even Masada, but it is mesmerizing. Actually, this is what
makes Zorn so interesting to me, going from Cobra and Naked City to
"Redbird" and the Masada String Trio.
And don't miss Ribot's two takes of "Don't Go Breaking My Heart" on the Burt
Bachrach tribute on Tzadik. These are both great, moving renditions; the
solo version is fantastic. (The whole set has well-crafted
interpretations.)
On another note, any opinions on Kristallnacht?
Charlie
- -
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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 17:39:02 EDT
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: -esen (was: Re: -enson)
In a message dated 7/6/00 11:27:49 AM, kurt_gottschalk@scni.com writes:
<< not to start another debate about whether or not a drummer's allowed to
have an
off night, but kenny wollenson is one of my very fave top fave drummers. >>
isn't it spelled wollesen? that's what it says on The Sun Died, which I agree
is a superb record.
my favorite Ribot, as was just mentioned, is the solo stuff on Bar Kokhba.
but the best thing I've ever seen him do is a solo performance at the Old
Office a couple of years ago, in which he alternated fractured versions of
fifties blues tunes, like Bright Lights Big City, with pieces from The Book
Of Heads. a riveting performance.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
- -
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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 17:42:25 EDT
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: U.S. Customs
In a message dated 7/6/00 9:00:36 AM, herb@eskimo.com writes:
<< INS has been increasingly difficult to deal with lately (for some
reason these things do seem to go in cycles), but their concerns have
always been protectionist and isolationist in the sense that artists
requesting work permits and/or visas have to show that what they do
couldn't be done by a US citizen. >>
this reminds me of a story Phil Minton told me a few years ago, in which he
had to demonstrate at the US border exactly why he was a different kind of
singer from the ones the US already had. I can just picture the looks on the
faces of the immigration officials...
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
- -
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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:07:42 -0400
From: "Dann-Brown" <DLB7@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Ribot inquiry
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Charlie Brummer <brummer@agron.iastate.edu>
Subject: Re: Ribot inquiry
> On another note, any opinions on Kristallnacht?
I have mixed feelings about this album. On the one hand, thsi album
contains some of Zorn's most heartfelt explorations of his Judaism (and
being Jewish myself, I could find identification with it). But on the other
hand, this album also contains some of his most aimless experiments ("Never
Again"). Since this stemmed from a post about Ribot, I'll add that I don't
think his parts are the most fascinating - that would definatley be Mark
Feldman's. Frank London and David Krakauer guest appear on two tracks.. I
wish they could have played on the entire album...
- -------
Dann-Brown
np: The Bribe
- -------
- -
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Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 18:04:50 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@pop.sprynet.mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Odp: Thanks for Green/Frisell
Marcin Gokieli wrote:
> > Don't know any details regarding release date (but am investigating), but
> he's just
> > finished a trio album with Dave Holland and Elvin Jones. I'll be pretty
> damned
> > surprised if that one is anything BUT a jazz record.
>
> Fuck me kick me kill me ;-)! I hope you'll post the date as soon as you
> know... Will it be labelled as Frisell?
Whew, quite a response there, Marcin! Anyway, I did a little checking, and
this trio date will be out on Nonesuch in late 2001, at earliest. It should
either be billed as Frisell or perhaps credited to all three.
Prior to that, early next year, there will be a disc by Bill's new septet,
which is his current quartet with Kenny Wollesen (who I think is doing his
absolute best playing in this group, full of shading and nuance), plus three
horns: Billy Drewes, Ron Miles and Curtis Fowlkes.
> His most 'jazz' thing i've heard are the Paul Motian on Broadway series
> (i've got only the second volume) with haden and lovano. They play broadway
> standards. A great record, and certainly a 'mainstream jazz' one.
Yes, you are correct here - I was only thinking of discs where Frisell's the
leader or co-leader.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - Discipline, "Discipline," 'Live at Moles' (King Crimson Collectors Club)
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