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Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 18:45:30 -0600
From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S) " <M_WIRZBICKI@ColoradoCollege.edu>
Subject: FW: Thanks for Green/Frisell
>Don't know any details regarding release date (but am investigating),
>but he's just
>finished a trio album with Dave Holland and Elvin Jones. I'll be
pretty
>damned
>surprised if that one is anything BUT a jazz record.
Sounds promising
>Also, 'Songs We Know,' the duo record with Fred Hersch on Nonesuch,
>could certainly be labelled a jazz record,
As could his duo with Gary Peacock (filed under "P")
>Maybe some folks missed that one since it's filed under
>"H"...
Right, but I think it's hard to find an album that is fully standard
under his own name, that's all I was saying.
I think some folks probably missed this one because it's bad. The
Peacock duo is pretty decent but I recommend that everyone stay away
from the Hersh duo, unless you're looking for backround coffee
house/cafe pleasantries.
Matt Wirzbicki
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Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 20:53:15 -0400
From: Brad Hamlin <brad@e-trance.com>
Subject: re: albert ayler
while were discussing obscure albert ayler recordings,
does anyone know if this one exists, or how a copy might be discovered?
Also in February of '66 was Ayler's only public performance with John
Coltrane. On the 19th, at Philharmonic Hall, the Coltrane quartet, with
Jimmy Garrison on bass, Alice Coltrane at the piano, and Rashied Ali
drumming, was scheduled to play a concert titled "Titans of the
Tenor,"[141] also featuring the bands of Coleman Hawkins, Yuseff Lateef,
and Sonny Rollins... The performance consisted of one remarkable 40
minute piece, opening with Coltrane playing "My Favorite Things" on
soprano sax, and moving into open space for solos by Pharaoh Sanders,
then Albert, on tenors, Don on his trumpet, Carlos Ward on the alto, a
duet by the Aylers, and a closing tenor solo and chant of "Om mani padme
om" by John Coltrane. J.C. Moses also played drums with the band and the
horns provided commentary on each other's solos.
jeff schwatrz's ayler bio (quoted above) suggests that audience tapes
may exist...
the discography that andreas referred to says they don't... anyone know
of such tapes?
btw, the music played at the funeral of john coltrane was, it seems,
recorded by bob thiele. i've never heard of anyone having copies of
this recording, but i'd love to hear them...
brad
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Date: 5 Jul 2000 18:15:28 -0700
From: Dan Given <dlgiven@altavista.com>
Subject: Re: US Customs
> From: Craig Matsumoto <wedge@slip.net>
> Subject: U.S. Customs
>
> Apologies to non-U.S. list members; this is a bit off-topic...
>
> Twice recently, I've heard about Japanese noise/electronics artists being
> unable to enter the U.S. They get detained at customs and told to go
> home.
>
> * First, in May, Yasuhiro Otani was stopped in Chicago en route to the Big
> Sur festival in California. Reportedly, Customs saw his
> computer/electornics gear and decided he must be coming to the U.S. for
> work ... and they sent him home.
>
> * More recently, KK Null and Masashi Kitawara (SP) of the band "YBO?"
> couldn't get to San Francisco for a show. Not sure why, but I'd guess the
> reason is similar.
>
> I'm curious if similar stories are cropping up here and there. There's a
> bit of controversy about foreign engineers being brought to the U.S. to
> work, and it'd be amusing if certain types of musicians (Asian, carrying
> computers) were being mistaken for engineers and programmers.
>
> Or maybe I'm just jumping to conclusions, in which case you should ignore
> this post. :)
>
> - -- Craig Matsumoto
> KZSU, 90.1 FM, Stanford University
> wedge@slip.net
>
>
A friend of mine (Ron de Jong of Vertrek Ensemble) was booked to play at Tonic with Derek Bailey, John Butcher and Joelle Leandre in May. He had asked the club about a work permit, knowing what kind of paperwork he has gone through to bring US musicians here to play, and the person at Tonic told him it was unnecessary. Unfortunately, the customs agent at the airport felt otherwise, and refused to let him board the plane. This didn't surprise me -- or him, for that matter, knowing that work permits are needed to play in other countries. But what he can't figure out is why Tonic told him that they never get permits for people. And he can't get one himself, it has to be the club who does it.
Of course, he could have just lied and said he was going on vacation, and that the bag of cymbals and bells and sticks was a gift!
This isn't one of his solo albums, but I just thought that I'd mention one
of my favorite Frisell sets is Ginger Baker's "Going Back Home." In that
you get a taste of all sides of Frisell.
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Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:03:37 EDT
From: OnionPalac@aol.com
Subject: Ween
I'm looking to trade anything from my Ween video list for Zorn stuff on CD-R,
Minindisc, or video. I also have a good collection of Zappa, Ozric Tenticals,
Zorn, Pink Floyd on video. If interested email me privately at:
onionpalac@aol.com
Thanks,
Marcus
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Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 23:30:14 -0400
From: Zach Griffin <zgriffin@iconn.net>
Subject: Re: U.S. Customs
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> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 15:42:22 -0700
> From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
> Subject: Re: U.S. Customs
>
>
> I remembered that another Japanese musician was blocked at the airport of
> Porltand OR. Unfortunately, I can't remember the name of the artist.
I believe it was K.K. Null and Masashi Kitawara (sp?) from YBO2 that were detained in Portland. At least that's what The Knitting Factory said in explaining why YBO2 canceled and were replaced by Yoshida Tatsuya/Ron Anderson/John Zorn. Please forgive me if you are referring to someone else (a third set of musicians detained?). Either way, it is a rather puzzling trend.
Zach Griffin
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Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:38:50 -0400
From: "&c." <parksplace@hotmail.com>
Subject: the baritone
I would like to know the same thing as Matt, except about the bari sax. I
love Gerry Mulligan, but I know he's not the only great player out there.
Thanks
Zach
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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:04:29 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcingokieli@go2.pl>
Subject: Odp: Thanks for Green/Frisell
Steve Smith wrote:
> Noting that at least one poster in this here thread opined that there's
perhaps not
> really been a Frisell release that could truly be pigeonholed as a jazz
record, I
> offer this:
> Don't know any details regarding release date (but am investigating), but
he's just
> finished a trio album with Dave Holland and Elvin Jones. I'll be pretty
damned
> surprised if that one is anything BUT a jazz record.
Fuck me kick me kill me ;-)! I hope you'll post the date as soon as you
know... Will it be labelled as Frisell?
> Also, 'Songs We Know,' the duo record with Fred Hersch on Nonesuch, could
certainly be
> labelled a jazz record, since it's nothing but standards played inna "Bill
Evans / Jim
> Hall" stylee... Maybe some folks missed that one since it's filed under
"H"...
His most 'jazz' thing i've heard are the Paul Motian on Broadway series
(i've got only the second volume) with haden and lovano. They play broadway
standards. A great record, and certainly a 'mainstream jazz' one.
Marcin Gokieli
marcingokieli@go2.pl
<<Thanks to this excellent device
man shall reenter paradise.>>
Auden & Kallman, Stravinsky's "The Rake's Progress"
>
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Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 14:19:23 +0200
From: Fritz Feger <Fritz.Feger@talknet.de>
Subject: Thanks for Green/Frisell
Hi Neil,
>I will definetely check out LIVE since I think EVERYBODY has said that it's
>great. I also read that the DOWN HOME album by Joey Baron is very
>"standard" so I'll check out that one too, and then I'll take from there.
Just like everybody, I say that LIVE is unbelievably great, and you should
definitely buy it :-). But, re-reading your original post, I guess it's
not really "a little nice Frisell guitar jazz record" or "standard". It is
very representative of Frisell's
noisy-avant/funny-countryish/haunted-sounding work, but not really "jazz".
Somebody already mentioned Paul Motian's "On Broadway" with Frisell and
Lovano, and I'd strongly recommend these (there are some, of which I only
have vol. 2, which I just love) to you. They actually play jazz standards,
as the label "On Broadway" suggests, though in a recognizably personal way.
Have fun!
Fritz
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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 07:57:23 -0500
From: Herb Levy <herb@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: U.S. Customs
Hi,
Just a quick note to say that if this discussion goes any further,
like to the point where folks start recommending sending letters to
government agencies or some other concrete action, that they address
such activities to US Immigration and Naturalization Services rather
than US Customs which is only concerned about the importing of goods
from outside the US, NOT the transportation of citizens of other
nations.
INS has been increasingly difficult to deal with lately (for some
reason these things do seem to go in cycles), but their concerns have
always been protectionist and isolationist in the sense that artists
requesting work permits and/or visas have to show that what they do
couldn't be done by a US citizen. This may be understandable in the
case of straightforward, ordinary jobs, but in the case of artists,
they usually want to see reviews in major press, evidence of
international reputation (again on a major institutional level), etc.
Providing materials that seem acceptable is always problematic, cause
the things that WE might think of as being suitable evidence of
"mainstream acceptance" is often well below the radar of the people
who make these decisions. These are people for whom, say, the Wire or
the Village Voice are little more than fanzines.
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Herb Levy
NEW MAILING ADDRESS: P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, TX 76147
NEW PHONE: 817 377-2983
same old e-mail: herb@eskimo.com
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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 07:57:23 -0500
From: Herb Levy <herb@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: jazz actual/free jazz
Brian Olewnik wrote:
>William York wrote:
>> Also, what is the Cecil Taylor "Indent Vol. 2" mentioned on that list. I
> >have the Indent solo piano CD and haven't heard of a vol. 2...
>I'm dredging this up from ancient memories, so I may be off, but
>originally (around 1974) there were two issues on Cecil's Unit Core
>label, 'Indent' and 'Spring of Two Blue J's'. My recollection is that
>the inner sleeve on 'Indent' (my copy of which was spirited off by a
>supposed friend) indicated a third release was in the works. I _think_
>it was a large ensemble work, possibly a student orchestra, but I'm
> >wondering if it may have been titled, 'Indent, Vol. 2'. Just a guess.
Indent was announced on an insert in the original Unit Core LPs as a
second disc of solo piano stuff, the next three layers of Indent.
The large ensemble of students from Antioch, I think was a different,
2 LP set. I'm pretty sure that neither of these were ever released.
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Herb Levy
NEW MAILING ADDRESS: P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, TX 76147
NEW PHONE: 817 377-2983
same old e-mail: herb@eskimo.com
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Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 09:11:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: James Graves <James.Graves@oberlin.edu>
Subject: Re: Frisell
>In my opinion you start to see traces of that in "gone just like a train"
>and then in "good dog happy man" it's full blown. Stay away from these.
>His earlier stuff is better. I saw him in Boulder this past year with
>his new quartet -- not recommended. Very sad. I thought the drummer,
Kenny Woll-whatever was pretty bad but I'm sure other people here support
>some of his other stuff.
>Matt Wirzbicki
Let me stick up for Gone Just Like A Train and Good Dog Happy Man.
Although Gone... isn't my favorite Frisell album, I think it's a logical
choice for someone into Grant Green... well written rock/pop/jazz
originals with great guitar solos. Its a very guitar focussed album,
putting Frisell very much in the foreground. And Good Dog, Happy Man has
to be one of my favorite Frisell albums: the band combines beatiful folk
melodies with rich textures of organ, pedal steel and samples. Just my
two c's,
Jamie
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Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 11:28:02 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: -enson
> Very sad. I thought the drummer, Kenny
> Woll-whatever was pretty bad but I'm sure other people here support some of
> his other stuff.
not to start another debate about whether or not a drummer's allowed to have an
off night, but kenny wollenson is one of my very fave top fave drummers. check
out ellery eskelin's 'the sun died' on soul note. no end to how much i love that
record. just listened to it this morning. eskelin, wollenson and marc ribot
playing gene ammons. some of the best eskelin and ribot on record as well, IM
not-so-H O.
np: marc ribot y los cubanos postizos 'muy divertido!'
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Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 11:47:58 -0400
From: Zach Griffin <zgriffin@iconn.net>
Subject: The Annoying 'I'm Going To...' Post
Hi,
I know some people are annoyed by this, but I am going to post it
anyway. I am going to Boston in the next couple of weeks. And I am
looking for all those good places to go (live music, CD stores-other
than Forced Exposure-I know about them already and plan to stop by at
some point, book stores, comic book stores-especially ones with a good
manga selection). Please email me privately with this info.
Thanks,
Zach Griffin
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Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 12:08:59 EDT
From: "James Adrane" <jadrane@hotmail.com>
Subject: Ribot inquiry
G'day
I saw the awesome MMW concert at the Montreal
jazz fest last night. They had all kinds of
guests including Marc Ribot and I was very impressed
by him. I had heard his name often but never checked
out his music; anyone has anything to recommend?
Last night he played some 'jazzy' stuff with octaves
and the like. Is he always like that? Is the
Cuban music tribute cd like that?
thanks
james
"Talking about music is like dancing about architecture"
