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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #986
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Zorn List Digest Monday, July 3 2000 Volume 02 : Number 986
In this issue:
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Hodgson in NM and online stores
Re: naked city
Re: "Dorf is Frod backwards"- John Lurie
Praxis
CD listening in stores
Re: UFO or Die
Odp: "Dorf is Frod backwards"- John Lurie
late '70s Miles musicians
Re: "Dorf is Frod backwards"- John Lurie
Re: late '70s Miles musicians
Re: late '70s Miles musicians
Re: Praxis
Re: late '70s Miles musicians
Re: I jst ordered these CD's
Re: late '70s Miles musicians
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Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 13:44:15 -0600
From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S) " <M_WIRZBICKI@ColoradoCollege.edu>
Subject: Hodgson in NM and online stores
Bill wrote:
>I also buy electronica from David Hodgson in New Mexico, who basically
>runs a mail order service on obscure music out of his house.
Bill, does david Hodgson have an internet address for his mail order
service. Online catalogue?
Pat wrote:
>the one thing that i do worry about is that young people growing up today
>who will never really know anything than online cd shopping wont see the
>point of going to a cd shop anymore.
I'm sort of still young - I turn 20 at the end of July - and I still prefer
shopping in the stores themselves. I prefer walking into Twisted Village or
Other Music instead of a trip to Tower or Best Buy. There's something nice
about being able to just walk around and look at the music instead of
pointing and clicking. There's also something really nice about not paying
shipping. For what it's worth I use a debit card. This tends to help me
avoid the "click to cart" syndrome.
I don't know that online shopping will really hurt the small chains. As
long as there's a market for the music they stock and they don't share too
much of the same inventories as the big chains, people will still shop
there.
I think online shopping may actually help these stores because they are able
to serve a much larger population.
Matt Wirzbicki
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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 19:03:53 EDT
From: TagYrIt@aol.com
Subject: Re: naked city
Maybe someone should inform this guy how to get off the list.
Dale.
In a message dated 7/2/00 4:55:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
the_secret_chief@yahoo.com writes:
<< Subj: Re: naked city
Date: 7/2/00 4:55:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: the_secret_chief@yahoo.com (Gavin Dunne)
To: TagYrIt@aol.com, zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
i find your family hilarious Dale u ignorant fuckin
prick.....you.d wanna get yourself another name....u
sound like an ice-cream
--- TagYrIt@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 6/30/00 4:23:54 PM Eastern
> Daylight Time,
> the_secret_chief@yahoo.com writes:
>
> << im sure you all know track 4 on the naked city
> cd.....has zorn ever done a cd of just this type of
> music? or can anyone reccommend someone who
> has?also
> ive tried twice to unsubscribe to this list and it
> ain.t happening >>
>
> Does this combination of questions strike anyone
> besides me as hilarious?
>
> Dale.
> >>
- -
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Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 17:07:20 -0700
From: Reuben Radding <rrad@drizzle.com>
Subject: Re: "Dorf is Frod backwards"- John Lurie
Let me be the first to echo Lurie's criticisms. Dorf is an evil little
creep, and I won't do business with him ever again, either. Unfortunately,
Dorf owns the rights to an album of mine "in perpetuity" so I still have to
call him once a year to demand my (always late or non-existant) royalty
statement. His response is always "well, it hasn't recouped yet." To which
I always get to reply "SHOW ME."
- -Reuben Radding
- -
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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 20:26:16 -0400
From: "Kevin Neales" <kevinn@javanet.com>
Subject: Praxis
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 11:03:34 +1000
From: "Lee, Edgar" <Edgar.Lee@dva.gov.au>
Subject: CD listening in stores
I work in a record shop called Missing Link in Melbourne Australia. We stock
a lot of punk and hardcore as well as Tzadik and free jazz. We let people
listen to CDs on headphones, give our honest opinions on the CDs and show
them good internet sites. So it's annoying if some people then shop around
to save a couple of dollars. However, that's the way it is.
I've recently been enjoying Atavistic's reissue of Joe McPhee's Nation Time.
It's a lot more funky than I'd expected, however, there are some inspired
free jazz tracks. John Corbett's series of Unheard Music Series should be a
rather exciting reissue program. The little known Mount Everest trio CD is
also interesting, however, I'm not sure why it's called "Waves from Albert
Ayler". All this from a label that reissued the beautiful John Gavanti.
Edgar
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Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 09:29:00 +0200
From: Julien Quint <Julien.Quint@xrce.xerox.com>
Subject: Re: UFO or Die
gpierce@austin.rr.com said:
> I don't know much about the history of UFO or Die (a/k/a Ultimate
> Freak Out or Die), but they did release at least one cd -- Cassette
> Superstar -- on Time Bomb/Public Bath (Bomb CD-02/PBCD-4). The cd is
> great.
I agree with you. Other releases include a live CD, on Sound Factory I think
(? really not sure, I don't have the CD with me) and a 7" single+comic book on
Sking Graft. Those two may be difficult to find now... They also have several
compilation appearances, but often the tracks can be found on the
aforementioned releases.
- --
Julien
- -
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 15:00:48 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcingokieli@go2.pl>
Subject: Odp: "Dorf is Frod backwards"- John Lurie
I always thought that all that NYC club stuff is kind of paradise, where
creative musicians are respected, given a place to play, the owners are
honest etc... Silly me.
Marcin Gokieli
marcingokieli@go2.pl
<<Thanks to this excellent device
man shall reenter paradise.>>
Auden & Kallman, Stravinsky's "The Rake's Progress"
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Reuben Radding <rrad@drizzle.com>
To: <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 2:07 AM
Subject: Re: "Dorf is Frod backwards"- John Lurie
>
> Let me be the first to echo Lurie's criticisms. Dorf is an evil little
> creep, and I won't do business with him ever again, either. Unfortunately,
> Dorf owns the rights to an album of mine "in perpetuity" so I still have
to
> call him once a year to demand my (always late or non-existant) royalty
> statement. His response is always "well, it hasn't recouped yet." To which
> I always get to reply "SHOW ME."
>
> -Reuben Radding
>
>
> -
>
- -
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 19:06:14 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcingokieli@go2.pl>
Subject: late '70s Miles musicians
Hi,
Recently I statred (or rather restarted) to listen intesively to '70s Miles,
especially his last bands. Unlike with almost all other musicians he has
worked with, the ones from 'agharta', 'get up with it' 'dark magus' etc did
not become so well known. So here's my question - what happened to Pete
Cosey, Dominique Gaumont, Reggie Lucas, Michael Henderson (a great bass
player, whom i did not apreciate until recently) etc?
BTW - all this stuff is SOOO marvelous... I can't stop listening to
it. I
bought all the 2CD live reissues (filmore, black beauty, live evil, dark
magus, in
concert) and they are all great (btw can anybody tell me whether there are
plans of reissuing in a similair way - remasters, digipack - agharta and
panagea?) and all the studio stuff (including the marvelous bitches brew
box). I do think that early '70s fuison miles bands with corea (see filmore
and black beauty) were the closest things to zorn/Naked city 'thrash
jazz'... Just listen to the wall of noise on these live albums!
The most amazing is that when i used to listen to tons of '70s fusion
stuff - some five or sox years ago i was a die-hard Mahavishnu, Return to
Forever, and other 'progrock - fusion' stuff the only famous band of the
time i did not like were Miles's band. I was like 'yeah, he had great
musicians,but "Bitches Brew" does not compare 'inner mounting flame' or
'vision of the emerald beyond'. Just boring, repetitive stuff'. Hilarous! I
wouldn't spend a minute listening to RTF or early mahavishnu now (well,
sometimes the latter, maybe, and early ones. Can't stand 'vision' or
'apocalypse')...
A second BTW (and the subject line slowly becomes rather
inappropriate ;-) -
Previte's seemed to have a band that played early fusionm stuff. What
happened to that project? Any other 'psychdelic miles-like' projects worth
recommendation?
Marcin Gokieli
marcingokieli@go2.pl
<<Thanks to this excellent device
man shall reenter paradise.>>
Auden & Kallman, Stravinsky's "The Rake's Progress"
- -
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Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 19:57:32 -0700
From: Arthur Rother <rother@jps.net>
Subject: Re: "Dorf is Frod backwards"- John Lurie
A lot of music is not making a lot of money, but is very much worth to see.
The Knit is bringing a lot of this kind of music. But yes, you cannnot get
away with saying:
To bake an omelet, you have to break some eggs.
I don't like Knitting Factory to much my self: To much crowd and to much
hype. But it is still a place where you can see a lot of musicians and
bands play, that would be difficult to see live so regulary.
In New York you do have a couple of alternatives, but here in Berlin I
would be so happy to have something like the Knitting Factory with that
kind of music.
Also I do have the strong impression, that all those NY musicians are only
playing there for the money, I doubt that for example Tonic can pay so well
or host that big of a crowd (am I wrong about the money thing?). And
ofcourse I think those musicians deserve good money. But yes, otherwise I
was allways wondering why they play there.
Play someplace else if you like, the main thing is, please play, and play a
lot.
Since I hate standing at concerts and I don't like crowds, I do prefer to
go to (for example) Tonic, the ambient is also that much nicer.
Arthur
- -
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Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 11:23:02 -0700
From: William Crump <william@steno.com>
Subject: Re: late '70s Miles musicians
Marcin Gokieli wrote:
> Hi,
> Recently I statred (or rather restarted) to listen intesively to '70s Miles,
> especially his last bands.
> I bought all the 2CD live reissues (filmore, black beauty, live evil, dark
> magus, in concert) and they are all great
I can't answer any questions about whatever happened to the musicians involved,
but if you like this stuff (as I do), don't miss "Yo Miles!" on Shanachie, by
Henry Kaiser and Wadada Leo Smith. A fantastic, inspired, inspiring album, and
a long one -- the two CDs are three seconds short of 160 minutes.
William Crump
- -
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Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 11:42:56 -0700
From: rimas <rimas@cnmat.berkeley.edu>
Subject: Re: late '70s Miles musicians
William Crump wrote:
>
> Marcin Gokieli wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > Recently I statred (or rather restarted) to listen intesively to '70s Miles,
> > especially his last bands.
>
> > I bought all the 2CD live reissues (filmore, black beauty, live evil, dark
> > magus, in concert) and they are all great
>
> I can't answer any questions about whatever happened to the musicians involved,
> but if you like this stuff (as I do), don't miss "Yo Miles!" on Shanachie, by
> Henry Kaiser and Wadada Leo Smith. A fantastic, inspired, inspiring album, and
> a long one -- the two CDs are three seconds short of 160 minutes.
>
> William Crump
>
I second this recommendation! and if anyone is interested, i have a
soundboard recording (authorized and seeded to the world by HK himself)
of a "Yo Miles!" show he put together at the Fillmore in SF last March.
The lineup is:
Wadada Leo Smith (trumpet) Henry Kaiser
(guitar) Michael Manring (bass) Chris Muir
(guitar) Steve Kimock (guitar) Bruce Ackley
(sax) Steve Adams (sax) Jon Raskin (sax)
Larry Ochs (sax) Tom Coster (keyboard) Steve
Smith (drums) Karl Perazzo (congas)
its 3 CDs long - i'd gladly burn copies for a few people in exchange for
blanks and postage. drop me a line if you're interested. its a great
show. you can see the setlist and stuff at:
http://www.philzone.com/shows/yo_miles.html
i'm looking forward to seeing Bill Frisells 7tet at yoshi's in a few
weeks, woohoo! saw Mike Stern there last week, not bad but not great i'd
say. Dennis Chambers was rockin' on drums though.
- -rimas
- -
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 14:43:49 EDT
From: IOUaLive1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Praxis
I dont know who any of the guest rappers were ... one of the woman singers
was Sussan Beyhim (sp), who was great. You should have stayed for the second
set it got pretty interesting !
- -Jody
- -
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Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 15:20:05 -0400
From: Anthony Fabio <epi2110f@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: late '70s Miles musicians
> its 3 CDs long - i'd gladly burn copies for a few people in exchange for
> blanks and postage. drop me a line if you're interested. its a great
> show. you can see the setlist and stuff at:
im interested in getting this. i have a few things to trade if you are
interested. or i could you send you blanks and postage.
tony
- -
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Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 16:13:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: James Graves <James.Graves@oberlin.edu>
Subject: Re: I jst ordered these CD's
> DRESSER/FRED FRITH/IKUE MORI, MARK Later
>What is that one? I'm a rather enthousiastic about death ambient, is this
>one similiar (as it seems to be)?
>Marcin Gokieli
>marcingokieli@go2.pl
Not really. I picked it up at the DTM when I was last New York, and I was
a bit underwhelmed. It was recorded about five years ago, just released.
It doesn't really have the beautiful production and atmosphere that
make Death Ambient so great. All three players are making wonderful
sounds on their instruments, but it doesn't seem to come together very
well. That was just an initial impression though, I'll have to give it
another good listen. anyone else have thoughts on "Later..."
Jamie
- -
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 13:51:30 -0700
From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel)
Subject: Re: late '70s Miles musicians
At 7:06 PM 7/3/00, Marcin Gokieli wrote:
>Hi,
>Recently I statred (or rather restarted) to listen intesively to '70s Miles,
>especially his last bands. Unlike with almost all other musicians he has
>worked with, the ones from 'agharta', 'get up with it' 'dark magus' etc did
>not become so well known. So here's my question - what happened to Pete
>Cosey, Dominique Gaumont, Reggie Lucas, Michael Henderson (a great bass
>player, whom i did not apreciate until recently) etc?
Agreed about Michael Henderson, his playing with Miles is some of my
favorite bass playing anywhere. I couldn't begin to count the number of
hours I've spent transcribing his lines! AFAIK, Henderson went back to
doing sessions and, like Narada Michael Walden and George Duke, though with
less success, did some pop/disco production in the late 70's. Haven't heard
anything of him since. Pete Cosey briefly replaced Bill Frisell in a later
version of the Power Tools band with Melvin Gibbs and Shannon Jackson in
the late '80's. I heard that he was in very poor health then, and haven't
heard anything since. I think his guitar playing with Miles was totally
innovative.
> BTW - all this stuff is SOOO marvelous... I can't stop listening to
>it.
Agreed. Sometimes I think that if I could only listen to one record for the
rest of my life, I'd choose Dark Magus.
>The most amazing is that when i used to listen to tons of '70s fusion
>stuff - some five or sox years ago i was a die-hard Mahavishnu, Return to
>Forever, and other 'progrock - fusion' stuff the only famous band of the
>time i did not like were Miles's band. I was like 'yeah, he had great
>musicians,but "Bitches Brew" does not compare 'inner mounting flame' or
>'vision of the emerald beyond'. Just boring, repetitive stuff'. Hilarous! I
>wouldn't spend a minute listening to RTF or early mahavishnu now (well,
>sometimes the latter, maybe, and early ones. Can't stand 'vision' or
>'apocalypse')...
I went through the same conversion. Mahavishnu/RTF blew me away as a
chops-addicted fusion snob, where the lack of "hot licks" in Mile's stuff
didn't. But I do remember the first time that "Bitches Brew" made sense to
me, a horn player I played with made me listen to it a lot, and suddenly I
realized that this music was way more complex, deeper, more musical than
most of other fusion.
> A second BTW (and the subject line slowly becomes rather
>inappropriate ;-) -
>Previte's seemed to have a band that played early fusionm stuff. What
>happened to that project? Any other 'psychdelic miles-like' projects worth
>recommendation?
I like the Henry Kaiser/Wadada Leo Smith "Yo, Miles" cd quite a bit. I'm
normally not much of a Kaiser fan, but this project gets very close to the
spirit of 70's Miles. Features Rova, Nels Cline, many others.
Are you familiar with Herbie Hancock's sextet? Mwandishi, Crossings and
Sextant are also among my favorite "psychedelic jazz" records.
I recently discovered a CD by "Love Cry Want", with Larry Young, Joe
Gallivan and a guitarist named Nicholas. Recorded in 1973, it's like Tony
Williams Lifetime with a more sonically-interesting guitarist.
On a similar subject, did anyone see this week's episode of "Sessions at
West 54th"? The last 1/2 hour was Mark Isham's "In a Silent Way" project,
which I had previously avoided. It was surprisingly good, largely because
Elliot Sharp was one of the guitarists! At first I didn't believe it was
him, his head was down and his playing was the straightest I'd ever heard
from him, plus he was playing a white strat and not his usual double-neck.
But it was definitely him, and he took one of his signature solos on the
last tune. Amazing stuff! I had the feeling he hadn't played with the band
much, the bassist and other guitarist looked kind of shocked during this
solo. Is Sharp on the CD? Is it worth listening to? Isham actually sounded
really good on the show, but the drummer was pretty tasteless...
____________________________________________
Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org
Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic
Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus-
____________________________________________
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