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Zorn List Digest         Tuesday, July 4 2000         Volume 02 : Number 987



In this issue:
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       this way out ---------------------------------->>
       Call for list members' expertise
       Re: late '70s Miles musicians
       Joe Morris at Knit
       Re: late '70s Miles musicians
       Re: Italian Instabile Orchestra
       cd sale
       [Non-Zorn Related] Albert Ayler
       Funk
       Re: Funk
       Re: late '70s Miles musicians
       Re: Funk
       Odp: late '70s Miles musicians
       Re: On-line CD stores again (was: Masada)
       Re: Albert Ayler
       Re: Italian Instabile Orchestra
       Re: [Non-Zorn Related] Albert Ayler
       Re: Dick Raaijmakers

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Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:44:34 +0200
From: "Rob Allaert" <[e-mail]>
Subject: this way out ---------------------------------->>

Hi,

I definitely can't be the only one to really dig John Zorn's composition
"This Way Out" performed by Prelapse on "Music for Grown Up's" :-) This song
is simply amazing. I prefer the Prelapse songs _without_ the screaming. Can
anyone inform me if I can find more of "this Way Out" style. How is
Prelapse's new album ??

Give it to me !!

Rob, Belgium <<       .......
http://www.frontstage.com/rob ______________________________|


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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 17:55:44 -0400
From: "Joslyn Layne" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Call for list members' expertise

Hello everyone,

  i have learned a Lot from so many of you in the months since i've joined
this list, from modern composers to authors, noise bands to jazz
festivals -- thank you --  i have often wished that some of you would share
your expertise with a wider audience, but it only recently occurred to me to
actually ask.

  so, hoping this isn't out of line with any zornlist rules, i'd like to
mention that my employer, the All Media Guide, is always interested in
hiring music (and film, i believe) reviewers for freelance work. AMG is
_especially_ in need of coverage of the more specialized and "out" areas
that are discussed here. Just taking a look at the website
[www.allmusic.com] will give you an idea of the current state of things. If
a musician or style isn't currently covered by AMG, it is not because of a
decision to ignore such music, it's simply because there has been no one to
cover it yet. the company's goal is to be as complete as possible. i came on
board last September and since then have begun the enormous and daunting
(and happy) task of adding things like the Tzadik catalog, European
improvisers, the Hat catalog (!) [near future project] and so on and on and
on...

  basically, reviews are brief synapses of the albums and how/where they
fall into the artist's catalog, as opposed to detailed, track-by-track
descriptions. obviously, there are a few more rules- such as no "it's the
best ever!" hyperbole- but i'll refrain from going into more detail on the
group list.
  if anyone out there is interested, Please let me know and i'll get you the
contact information & details.

  thanks,

    joslyn



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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 17:16:16 -0500 (CDT)
From: Paul Audino <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: late '70s Miles musicians

> On a similar subject, did anyone see this week's episode of "Sessions at
> West 54th"? The last 1/2 hour was Mark Isham's "In a Silent Way" project,
> which I had previously avoided. It was surprisingly good, largely because
> Elliot Sharp was one of the guitarists! At first I didn't believe it was
> him, his head was down and his playing was the straightest I'd ever heard
> from him, plus he was playing a white strat and not his usual double-neck.
> But it was definitely him, and he took one of his signature solos on the
> last tune. Amazing stuff! I had the feeling he hadn't played with the band
> much, the bassist and other guitarist looked kind of shocked during this
> solo. Is Sharp on the CD? Is it worth listening to? Isham actually sounded
> really good on the show, but the drummer was pretty tasteless...

Sharp is not on the CD, however that disc, _Miles Remembered : The Silent
Way Project_ is without a doubt one of my favorite releases of last year.

Paul
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Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 18:40:53 EDT
From: "Alan Kayser" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Joe Morris at Knit

Anyone out there planning on attending the Joe Morris Trio stay at the KF
this weekend, especially someone with recorder in hand.  If so, please
contact me, lots to trade.  Will pay your expenses, too!

Alan


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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 21:22:44 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: late '70s Miles musicians

In a message dated 7/3/00 5:00:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<<
 Are you familiar with Herbie Hancock's sextet? Mwandishi, Crossings and
 Sextant are also among my favorite "psychedelic jazz" records.

 I >>

I must second this, Sextant is really an over-looked jem!!

Dale.

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Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 21:31:14 EDT
From: "Mathieu Belanger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Italian Instabile Orchestra

Hello,

>I see that they're scheduled to play the Chicago Jazz festival at the
end of
>August/beginning of September. anyone know if they have more US dates,
>specifically NYC?

Well, this is quite old - June 9 to be exact - but I searched for
information on them last week because I wanted to convince myself to go
to the show in Montreal...

In case you did not know about it, they have a website and the url is
http://www.ijm.it/instabile. By the way, still no dates for New York
there...

I hope it helps,

Mathieu

P.S. For those who care, the show was, in my opinion, great. While the
music did not always met my personal preferences (let's say 5-10% of
the time...), they are really giving a great show and the visual aspect
is sometimes an important part of their performance! Other opinions?

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Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 22:36:31 EDT
From: "Bruno Bissonnette" <[e-mail]>
Subject: cd sale

Here are a few items which may interest people
on this list.  All CDs are like new (some are brand
new actually), and I pay shipping within North America.
Prices are US dollars, I accept international money
orders in US funds or well-concealed cash, at your
own risk.

Ellery Eskelin: Jazz Trash 10$
Vandermark 5: Target or Flag 8$
Steve Lacy trio: The Rent (2 CD set)  13$
Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan: Real World 10$
Bloodcount: Saturation Point 10$
Jon Spencer Blues Explosion: Orange 8$
Evan Parker Electroacoustic Ensemble: Toward the margins 10$
Bobby Previte/Marc Ducret: In the Grass 8$
Rashied Ali/Louie Belogenis: Rings of Saturn 9$
John Butcher/Georg Grawe: Light's View 10$

First come, first serve.
Bruno
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Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 22:52:16 -0400
From: Matt Laferty <[e-mail]>
Subject: [Non-Zorn Related] Albert Ayler

Howdy List

A question for those jazz historians out there:  to what extent is the
rumor/fact that Ayler played at Coltrane's funeral real?  Is this pretty
well documented?  Is it possible that a cassette exists of this
performance?

Thanks...I'm looking for an Ayler site/discography that's the equivalent
of the Saturn website and Sun Ra discography: "The Earthly Recordings"

best,

Matt



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Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 23:04:56 EDT
From: "& c." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Funk

Can any one recomend any good funk albums.  I enjoy the occasional funk I
hear from time to time and I want an album or two.  I've heard some George
Clinton stuff, but what Parliament-Funkadelic albums are the best?  Any
other names any one can throw at me would be helpful.

Zach
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Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 23:18:49 -0400
From: Matt Laferty <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Funk

This might be obvious, but I still love (to this day...)

Funkadelic's "Maggot Brain" (not really funky, but essential bad-vibes
psychedelica
James Brown's "In a Jungle Groove"...an enormous Funky Drummer and Hot Pants
(She Got to use what she got to get what she wants)
and Sly and the Family Stone's "There's A Riot Goin' On" and "Stand"
and Rhino's "In Yo Face" series 1/2 to 5 will rock any number of parties.

M.

"& c." wrote:

> Can any one recomend any good funk albums.  I enjoy the occasional funk I
> hear from time to time and I want an album or two.  I've heard some George
> Clinton stuff, but what Parliament-Funkadelic albums are the best?  Any
> other names any one can throw at me would be helpful.
>
> Zach
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Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 23:36:14 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: late '70s Miles musicians

At 07:06 PM 7/3/00 +0200, Marcin Gokieli wrote:
>Any other 'psychdelic miles-like' projects worth
>recommendation?

I sometimes see comparisons of some of Paul Schutze's work, especially New
Maps of Hell and Site Anubis, with psychedelic Miles.  There's no soloing
to speak of (it's not 'jazz' in any meaningful sense of the term), but in
terms of atmosphere I can hear it sometimes.

- --
Caleb Deupree
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Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance
like nobody's watching.

- -- Satchel Paige

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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 23:40:33 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Funk

In a message dated 7/3/00 11:05:54 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< I've heard some George Clinton stuff, but what Parliament-Funkadelic
albums are the best? >>

my favorites:

Funkadelic-Funkadelic, Cosmic Slop, Standing On The Verge Of Getting It On,
One Nation Under A Groove
Parliament-Up For The Down Stroke

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 10:27:51 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Odp: late '70s Miles musicians

From: Dave Trenkel <[e-mail]>

> At 7:06 PM 7/3/00, Marcin Gokieli wrote:
> >not become so well known. So here's my question - what happened to Pete
> >Cosey, Dominique Gaumont, Reggie Lucas, Michael Henderson (a great bass
> >player, whom i did not apreciate until recently) etc?

> Agreed about Michael Henderson, his playing with Miles is some of my
> favorite bass playing anywhere. I couldn't begin to count the number of
> hours I've spent transcribing his lines! AFAIK, Henderson went back to
> doing sessions and, like Narada Michael Walden and George Duke, though
with
> less success, did some pop/disco production in the late 70's. Haven't
heard
> anything of him since. Pete Cosey briefly replaced Bill Frisell in a later
> version of the Power Tools band with Melvin Gibbs and Shannon Jackson in
> the late '80's. I heard that he was in very poor health then, and haven't
> heard anything since. I think his guitar playing with Miles was totally
> innovative.

    It's really amazing that those guys disappeared. Are there any
recordings of power tools with Cosey?

>  Sometimes I think that if I could only listen to one record for the
> rest of my life, I'd choose Dark Magus.

Oh, Dark Magus... The most incredible live album ever (Frisell's live is
stands as one of few real competitors). I remeber the day i bought it - i
was quite impressed by Live Evil, and had Agharta that i did not like that
much, and was not very ethousuatic about another 'funky-guitar-repetition'
stuff. I bought it, however (suppose i just got paid) and put in in my
portable cd player. It blew me away - I could hardly walk... An intense
experience :-)
Recently, I tend to like increasingly the earlier stuff - Black Beauty is a
real killer, I love what Chick Corea does there. The noisies he make are
incredible... As an aspiring synth player&programmist i am very excited
about the stuff he does there. Later, when Jarret joined they also tended to
make good sounds... (I wonder what do these guys REALLY think about the
sound they had by then - they never got back to it).

> I like the Henry Kaiser/Wadada Leo Smith "Yo, Miles" cd quite a bit. I'm
> normally not much of a Kaiser fan, but this project gets very close to the
> spirit of 70's Miles. Features Rova, Nels Cline, many others.
> Are you familiar with Herbie Hancock's sextet? Mwandishi, Crossings and
> Sextant are also among my favorite "psychedelic jazz" records.

Never really checked out Hancock's fusion stuff... I always thought that it
was all funky-dance-like. Apparently, i have to check out...

> I recently discovered a CD by "Love Cry Want", with Larry Young, Joe
> Gallivan and a guitarist named Nicholas. Recorded in 1973, it's like Tony
> Williams Lifetime with a more sonically-interesting guitarist.

I'll try to check it out someday. Thanks for info.
Marcin Gokieli
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man shall reenter paradise.>>
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Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 11:44:10 +0200
From: Prah <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: On-line CD stores again (was: Masada)

Peter Gannushkin wrote:

> My point is that music CDs are normal goods

Actually, I cannot agree with that point of view. Of course, maybe there is slight
similarity to highly innovative, fashionable  industrial goods. But only slight.
Prices of both have nothing in common with their real value. And the value is the
point. The cost of CD's production is very small. All artist's fees, label's,
retailer's  margin of profit and taxes stands for most of the price. CD's price is not
the price set as the reult of  the struggle between demand and supply. As far as some
small independent labels are concerned, of course, the customer has an influence on
the price ("of course" it's not a rule). But only on the condition that he buys
directly from this label . And when he buys from the retailer his influence on price
is minimized. Sure, there are some niches (Dgasque wrote about it). But their number
is limited. And the label's (=label's owner's)  greed to make money is not.


Prah





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Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 17:56:01 CEST
From: "Andreas Dietz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Albert Ayler

>From: Matt Laferty <[e-mail]>
>
>A question for those jazz historians out there:  to what extent is the
>rumor/fact that Ayler played at Coltrane's funeral real?  Is this pretty
>well documented?  Is it possible that a cassette exists of this
>performance?

This is a fact but I haven┤t heard of a recording.

>Thanks...I'm looking for an Ayler site/discography that's the equivalent
>of the Saturn website and Sun Ra discography: "The Earthly Recordings"

A website is started at www.ayler.supanet.com but it hasn┤t the high
standard of the Saturn site so far - perhaps it will be sometimes...

Andreas Dietz
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Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 12:04:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Italian Instabile Orchestra

As I said before the IIO put on a great show in a Toronto club. You have
to remember when you're seeing the band you're seeing the cream of
Italian "out" musicians, sort of like a Zorn group that would feature
Gerry Hemmingway, Ray Anderson, Dave Douglas, Tim Berne etc. etc.
And many of the musicians get to conduct --some more exhuberantly than
others -- their own compositions.

That's also a lot of history there. Mario Schiano, the alto saxophonist
is the "father" of Italian free jazz with experiments going back to the
mid-1960s. Carlo Actis Dato is a full force baitone saxophonist who can
circular breathe 'til the dogs bark (inside joke) and trumpeter Pino
Minafra is half Miles and half Jerry Lewis.

Ovrerall the group performs with a sense of fun and humor --heck one of the
tunes is even called "The Happy Italians" --that you wouldn't see in a
North American or British band of similiar scope, size or ambition.

That said, the only downside I see is what I sense from other Italian
groups and Wilem Breuker's Kollektief. Each tour has a set "show" and
repretoire and the band doesn't vary much from it.

But considering this is one of the few times any of us will get to see
them in North America, do we really care that they play the same tunes in
Toronto and Chicago?

Ken Waxman


> In case you did not know about it, they have a website and the url is
> http://www.ijm.it/instabile. By the way, still no dates for New York
> there>
> P.S. For those who care, the show was, in my opinion, great. While the
> music did not always met my personal preferences (let's say 5-10% of
> the time...), they are really giving a great show and the visual aspect
> is sometimes an important part of their performance! Other opinions?


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Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 12:10:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [Non-Zorn Related] Albert Ayler

Yes, AA played at Trane's funeral. He "screamed" as well.
Yes, the entire proceedings exist and some collectors have a copy (not me).
Will it and the other music there ever be released legally? No one knows.
Considering contracts of the time, the Trane and AA music would fall
under those musicians' contracts with Bob Thiele and Impulse.
And when I last tried to find out something about Thiele's estate, the
executor told me *he* could figure out what was what and where
everything was.

Ken Waxman


On Mon, 3 Jul 2000, Matt Laferty wrote>
> A question for those jazz historians out there:  to what extent is the
> rumor/fact that Ayler played at Coltrane's funeral real?  Is this pretty
> well documented?  Is it possible that a cassette exists of this
> performance?


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Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 10:32:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Dick Raaijmakers

> well, for those of you out there jonesing for more
> classic tape music/musique concrete, I've got a
> recommendation.

> Dick Raaijmakers, a Dutch composer, has a 3 CD box
> out of his complete tape music, from 1958-1998. it's
> very poorly distributed here in the US, but
> Anomalous has some copies now for $53. expensive,
> yes, but the first CD (all I've heard so far) is
> incredible. very fresh-sounding, a lot of work with
> crackles and static, and a general "rough" feel. I
> don't hear a lot of releases that excite me these
> days, but this one is.

Yeah, I picked this one up recently too. I haven't
made it to the second or third discs either but I'm
equally impressed with the first disc. Raaijmakers
seems to be coming out of nowhere, as if he had no
idea what other people were doing in the medium at the
same time. I also have a tape of a Raaijmakers piece
not included in the box for some reason. It's a rock
piece he made in collaboration with Burgnod de Groot
(sp?) - kind of like his "Messe pour le Temps Present"
or something. Anyway, it's pretty nice too.

Anyone heard the Jan Boerman box on the same label?

                    -Tom Pratt

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