am late getting to my mail and replying to this, sorry.
this comes as quite a surprise, given the unjust shit he gave the Cincinnati group for including speech elements, pop/jazz music mixed with the abstract, and such, on a radio interview here. his words: "i wrote cobra to make beautiful music." fucking hypocrite. it's almost as if he pisses on them for it, and then takes the idea for his own use. or maybe since it's cibo matto with the idea here, being cute asian ladies with fame a record contract and all, it's all kosher with him -- he'll come prompt! but if it's young unknown musicians in the midwest trying to bring his work to a new audience in a sincere and conscientious manner, who also happen to have ideas about taking cobra in new directions, well they can just kiss his ass and fall victim to another classic, tired, zorn complainfest.
on that note why continue to call this the "zorn" list, as it covers all musicians on the scene? many of whom are proving to be more worthwhile than its namesake.
idol killing and hoping he sees this,
J breinfalk
Cibo Matto presents
> John Zorn's HIP HOP Cobra
> + special guest performers & djs
> Brooklyn Bridge Anchorage, Brooklyn, NY
> $12 adv/ $15 at door; 10pm
>
> (zorn will be prompter
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:40:09 -0400
From: "Neil H. Enet" <nilugo@usa.net>
Subject: RE: Big Gundown Anniversary Edition
Pat asked:
where have you heard about this?
what label will it be on? elektra? tzadik?
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I was looking in a place called TOWER RECORDS www.towerrecords.com (never
heard of it before) and there it was. But there's no information, actually
it says "n/a".
But there is another one (obviously the same one) that says:The Big Gundown
(Remaster) on TZADIK. The release date is 8/22/00.
Personally, I'm glad I haven't bought this one yet. :-)
Neil H. Enet
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:45:11 -0600
From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S) " <M_WIRZBICKI@ColoradoCollege.edu>
Subject: the namesake
>on that note why continue to call this the "zorn" list, as it covers all
>musicians on the scene? many of whom are proving to be more worthwhile
>than its namesake.
I'm not sure what 'scene' you're refering to. Downtown NY or beyond?
In any event I would like to see a name change. It seems like the "zorn"
list is a little bit of an inappropriate title for this list given the
spectrum covered. Plus all the messages warning NO ZORN CONTENT are a
little odd to me.
But, I'm no zorn fan. I never have been.
A new name would likely change the tone of the list a little bit. The
future subscribers wouldn't necessarily be zorn fans but I don't think
that's a downside.
Relocation might also be an option.
Matt Wirzbicki
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:04:52 -0700
From: "s~Z" <keith@pfmentum.com>
Subject: If it isn't broken............
Please don't change anything about this list.
Mr. Rizzi does a fabulous job of managing things just the way they are,
called just what it is called.
This list ain't broke, and needs no fixing.
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 00:08:05 EDT
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: new Murakami books
well, unless the name of the list changes to murakami-l, I suppose this is
somewhat off-topic. but I know we discussed the works of Haruki Murakami here
a year or two ago, so I thought I'd let people know that there are two new
books available by him in English translations. the first is Norwegian Wood,
which he wrote in 1987, and the second is Underground, which is his most
recent book, a non-fiction book about the gas attacks in the Tokyo subway.
anyway, here's the catch: these are only available in Europe as of now.
Norwegian Wood is scheduled for US release in September and Underground seems
to have been dropped from Knopf's US schedule completely, at least for now.
but thanks to the wonders of the internet, those of us in the US can order
them from Amazon's UK site. the two of them cost me about $48 including
shipping, and got here within a few days after I ordered, making me a happy
guy.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 00:50:24 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Subject: house of leaves
As long as books are coming up again, I'll just add that I appreciate the
recommendations from the multi-national group here, and enjoyed the Lars
Gustafsson novel Death of a Beekeeper which was recommended here several
months ago. I think our eclectic musical tastes must spill over into
literature as well. It is these eclectic tastes and discussions that
categorize this discussion group. The connection to Zorn is that his music
is equally eclectic, and he quite happily discusses all sorts of new art in
liner notes and interviews. I also wouldn't change a thing about this list.
With this in mind, I'd also like to recommend the best new American fiction
I've seen in years, since Mason Dixon, Underworld, or Infinite Jest: House
of Leaves by Mark Z. Danielewski. It's a first novel, with parallel tales
about a house that's bigger on the inside than it is on the outside, and
the narration by the novel's first reader, a tattoo-parlor worker from
southern California. The book has the most interesting use of fonts and
typographical expression that I've ever seen. Some people might find it
gimmicky, but I found it very effective at telling a pretty creepy and
complex story.
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Caleb Deupree
cdeupree@erinet.com
Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance
like nobody's watching.
- -- Satchel Paige
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 02:02:38 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: new Murakami books
I haven't yet checked into Murakami but at least I've got one of his books on my
teeming "to be read" pile - 'South of the Border, West of the Sun.' Managed to
pick this up recently at my former place of work, whose offices are in the same
building as Random House. At least once a week RH would put several bookshelves
of books in the foyer opposite the company cafeteria on the 8th floor, free for
the taking. I found the Murakami and remembered the discussion that had gone on
here, so I should get around to it soon. Darn thing's autographed, too...
SS
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 06:02:23 GMT
From: "Bill Ashline" <bashline@hotmail.com>
Subject: book recs
Who cares about list names?
Book recommendations:
Michel Gaillot/Multiple Meaning Techno: Political Laboratory of the
Present/Disvoir Press (contains an interview with the philosopher Jean-Luc
Nancy and one with a sociologist who's written on orgies--a smarter reading
of techno than one will get from most avant-garde heads, though he makes
little distinction regarding the forms)
Michael Hardt and Antonio Negri/Empire/Harvard UP (critique of
globablization--Negri still sits in an Italian prison for political
activities in the eighties)
Alphonso Lingis/Abuses/U California (travel narratives with a theoretical
accent)
Just bought a copy of Douglas Kahn's Wireless Imagination--precursor to
Noise/Water/Meat discussed here previously--also bought a copy of Ryo
Murakami's Coin Locker Babies at narita airport in Tokyo. Will provide a
non-evaluative explication to all private queries....
