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Zorn List Digest Monday, June 19 2000 Volume 02 : Number 968
In this issue:
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books (NO ZORN CONTENT!!!)
Eyvind Kang's "The Story Of Iceland"
thurston@tonic and zornchambermusic@angelorensanz
Re: syr4 (notes)
more sy4
SY in NYC review (was Re: syr4)
SYR -> SFS
Sun Ra's "Space is the Place"
DOWNTOWN 81 by Edo Bertoglio?
Re: Sun Ra's "Space is the Place"
Marclay/Arto & Chris Speed Yeah No @ Tonic 6/16
About japanese band
FW: DOWNTOWN 81 by Edo Bertoglio?
Re: SY in NYC review (was Re: syr4)
Re: Fred Frith: Technology Of Tears
Re: Sun Ra's "Space is the Place"
Re: SY in NYC review (was Re: syr4)
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:47:20 +0200
From: patRice <gda@datacomm.ch>
Subject: books (NO ZORN CONTENT!!!)
hi y'all...
recently i've asked several times on this list about books.
i wonder if i'm maybe over-doing this? what do you think, mighty rizzi?
is it okay as long as people don't start complaining - or are some of
you interested in maybe starting a separate e-groups list?
i was wondering today: do any of you know of good/reommendable books on
japanese mythology? any help is appreciated!
yours,
patRice
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 23:12:27 +1000
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Eyvind Kang's "The Story Of Iceland"
Got this album today, it's really quite hard to describe. Somewhere in
between 7 NADEs and Theatre Of Mineral NADEs. The pieces are much longer
and a bit more experimental than on the latter, but there aren't any
noisefests like on the former. The first 5 tracks (which make up "The Story
Of Iceland") focus on one nice little 'theme' (rest assured it isn't the
NADE theme!) developing it in a few different ways, and inserting little
bits of contrasting material here and there. The sixth track is kind of
poppy, but with lots of layered singing and playing. Basically the layers
build up till the end where it has become completely distorted. And the
last track is a short gamelan solo.
Anyway, my admittedly quite early impression is that it's generally good,
but some of the longer repetitive ones tend to get boring (particularly the
one described as 'kind of poppy' above).
Incidentally some of the more well known musicians on there: Bar McKinnon,
Tim Young, Keith Lowe, Tucker Martine, Bill Frisell... Trey Spruance is
also cited as one of the recording engineers.
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:17:17 +0100
From: dan hill <dan@state51.co.uk>
Subject: thurston@tonic and zornchambermusic@angelorensanz
hi all
please forgive me if i missed it, but i'm surprised that there's been
no mention of two gigs i caught a couple of weeks ago:
a) thurston moore improv set at tonic (i think with nels cline(?) and
zeena parkins), followed by kim gordon/ikue mori/dj olive
and perhaps more pertinantly,
b) john zorn's chamber music at the angel orensanz foundation,
norfolk st., nyc (part of the bell atlantic jazz festival), with
stephen drury, william winant, jennifer choi, and the "de sade"
quartet!
i just took a short break in new york and managed to catch both, and
was suitably impressed, particularly the latter which was utterly
enchanting, imho.
was i the only zorn-lister there? i find that hard to believe ... if
so, you new yorkers are taking your access to live music for granted!
all the best,
dan.
- --
- ---+ dan hill [state51]
---+ new reviews on motion [19.6.2000]:
< hia/biosphere | graham haynes | suburban lick | zed bias | david
howard | burnt friedmann/atom heart | david howard >
http://motion.state51.co.uk/ +---
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:05:26 +0000 (GMT)
From: Whit Schonbein <whit@twinearth.wustl.edu>
Subject: Re: syr4 (notes)
http://www.smellslikerecords.com/syr/syr4/syr4frameset.html
there are notes by winant at the above link (follow the 'notes' link).
whit
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:50:17 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: more sy4
maybe i was a little unclear by being a little dismissive about the youth
project. i don't mean that i wonder if they've ruined the pieces or if the john
cage estate is likely to sue or anything. but these are different sorts of
players (i'm guessing) than would normally tackle these pieces. that said, are
they radically different than the "usual" approach?
i love a lot of 20th C through-composed stuff. i also love electric guitars.
probably moreso the latter. somebody could, for eg, take a schoenberg quartet
(let's say #2 since it's so beautiful) and arrange it for 4 electric guitars. it
would almost necessarily sound more alive (at least to these ears) because of
the nature of the instrument.
that's sorta what i'm wondering about the sy perfs. there's still a level of
rock band i hear in it. my questions really are too numerous to generalize, i
guess (did wolff instruct a telling of the 3 lil bears, or was kim just in the
mood?). i much appreciated herb's comments (and congrats, herb), and would be
interested to hear more (and more opinionated) reactions. also if anyone knows
of web sources which talk about the pieces (with or without the sy filter,
whatever that means), i'd be appreciative.
didn't mean to dis the youth. i love them. i'm just trying to learn more about
the music they've introduced me to here.
Patrice said:
Although you have to be careful with the microphones. If they don't show any
enthousiasm to swing, it can completely ruin the performance.
In other words, it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing?
kg
np: roland kirk - we free kings
- -
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:09:55 -0400
From: Dan Hewins <dan@synsolutions.com>
Subject: SY in NYC review (was Re: syr4)
Well, I have to say that the SY show didn't impress me that much.
Perhaps my expectations were too high because the show was by no
means bad. I'll note tah I really like all of SY's recent output
(Thousand Leaves, NYC Ghosts & Flowers, and the SYR EPs) and haven't
really been much of a fan of the older stuff except Daydream Nation.
The Br=F6tzmann 10tet + 2 was pretty good. I think the venue was too
large and open for them to sound good though. They were mic'd and
mixed like a rock band and that didn't sound so hot to me. The
composition wasn't that interesting to me either. It seemed like
full-on blasts from the whole group interspersed with sols and duos
and trios improvising. I liked "Other Brothers" from the 3CD set and
this was nothing like that. Perhaps the Tonic show will be better...
I can't see all 12 of those folks on the Tonic stage though!
SY was good but, like I said, maybe I expected more because I left
feeling dissatisfied. They played a bunch of songs from NYC Ghosts
and some from 1000 Leaves. The second song they played was from
Daydream Nation which was nice. Jim played bass and guitar
(alternating with Kim). He also manned a "gadget board" which
generated some noises and sounds. I think his addition was
beneficial. I had never seen them before and I was glad to see them.
Dan Hewins
- -
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:53:43 -0700
From: "s~Z" <keith@pfmentum.com>
Subject: SYR -> SFS
http://www.calendarlive.com/music/20000618/t000057955.html
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:17:27 -0700
From: Greg Mills <gregm@tonic360.com>
Subject: Sun Ra's "Space is the Place"
A friend of mine recently saw a Sun Ra film from the early 70s called "Space
is the Place". Rather than a concert film, it has a plot, something about
Sun Ra and the Arkestra riding around in a rocket ship thwarting the
nefarious plans of the FBI.
In trying to explain the look of the film, he said it was if Earth Wind and
Fire were featured on an episode of "Shazam".
Has anyone else seen this?
- -
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:27:46 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: DOWNTOWN 81 by Edo Bertoglio?
A friend mentioned to me the upcoming release of the movie DOWNTOWN 81
by director Edo Bertoglio. The movie (if I read correctly) is about the
no-wave scene and features Jean-Michel Basquiat, Debby Harry, and many others
(or is it mainly about Basquiat?).
Although the above is mouth watering, there is more since coupled with
the release of the movie, there will be a CD with unreleased tracks by... DNA,
Tuxedomoon, James White, Kid Creole!!!
Could it be, finally, the release of the mythic:
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*** - GRUTZY ELVIS: various artists
This record features DNA (one track), etc.
1979 - Ze Records, ??? (??)
Note: this record was never released.
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Needless to say, if anybody has more info on this exciting movie,
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:35:56 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: Sun Ra's "Space is the Place"
It's currently available on video. I keep meaning to pick it up.
On Mon, Jun 19, 2000 at 12:17:27PM -0700, Greg Mills wrote:
> A friend of mine recently saw a Sun Ra film from the early 70s called "Space
> is the Place". Rather than a concert film, it has a plot, something about
> Sun Ra and the Arkestra riding around in a rocket ship thwarting the
> nefarious plans of the FBI.
>
> In trying to explain the look of the film, he said it was if Earth Wind and
> Fire were featured on an episode of "Shazam".
>
> Has anyone else seen this?
>
> -
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:24:49 -0400
From: Dan Hewins <dan@synsolutions.com>
Subject: Marclay/Arto & Chris Speed Yeah No @ Tonic 6/16
I caught the sets at Tonic last Friday and I have mixed reviews.
I had to go see Christian Marclay and Arto Lindsay because I haven't
ever seen Marclay work his tables before. I do wish he had another
collaborator though. Marclay was great. For those of you who
haven't seen him before, I'll describe the setup he was using on
Friday. He had two turntables that looked very old and very used.
He had them both going into a digital delay pedal. He had one of
them going to a volume/wah pedal that also went into another
(boomerang) phrase sampler. This allowed him to sample pieces and
repeat them to his liking. This seemed like a versatile setup and he
was able to get quite a wide range of sounds out if it. He also
employed "extended techniques" such as wiping the records under the
needle across the grooves, banging on the tone arm with records,
tapping on a spinning record with his fingers, and "man-handling" the
records and turntables in other ways. Very enjoyable to watch.
Arto, on the other hand, seemed to employ only one technique on his
guitar and that was turn on the distortion and make noise. As a
preface I'll say that I don't want to sound disrespectful but I do
want to describe what I saw as accurately as I can. He didn't ever
play any "notes" or even very many rhythms. He tuned down the lowest
string down to a slobber and left it that way for much of the set.
Does he know how to play the guitar? (I know he does, at least a
little, by hearing his more song-oriented records but If I hadn't
ever heard those I would seriously wonder about his skill level.) He
doesn't seem to have much of imagination, improvisationally. It came
again and again as the same noise and growling distortion for each
"piece" of improv they performed, while Marclay continued to change
and make different sounds over the course of the night. To his
credit he also sang spanish sounding words into the mic every once
and a while. I'll leave it by saying that I lost some respect for
Arto that night. I really enjoy his song-oriented records like Mundo
Civiizado and some others I have heard but his free-improv leaves a
lot to be desired. Skuli Sverrisson joined in for the last two
improvs and he was great. He played his instrument.
Chris Speed's Yeah No was fantastic. This group is great! I always
like watching Jim Black. I love it when my friends who aren't all
into this music are impressed by Jim's playing. It's hard not to be.
I have written so much already so I'll just say that this group gets
better and better.
Dan Hewins
- -
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 14:32:06 GMT
From: "fink stephane" <steftour@hotmail.com>
Subject: About japanese band
hello,
thanks to do something about experimental band, I love this music a punch in
my face each time I ear one.
But I'm interess about a Japanese band call "ruins" can you help me to take
contact with them, please.
And if you know some other experimental band from this crazy country, please
give me.
Sorry for my bad english but I'm french,Hey !,Hey !,Hey !!!!!!
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:07:46 -0400
From: Jennifer Dahmus <jdahmus@juilliard.edu>
Subject: FW: DOWNTOWN 81 by Edo Bertoglio?
Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
> A friend mentioned to me the upcoming release of the
> movie DOWNTOWN 81 by director Edo Bertoglio. The movie (if I read
correctly) is
> about the no-wave scene and features Jean-Michel Basquiat, Debby Harry,
> and many others (or is it mainly about Basquiat?).
Check out: http://www.downtown81.com
I've waited anxiously for the release of Downtown 81, which is Basquiat's
only acting role on film (excluding Blondie's "Rapture" video). Finally
we'll hear Basquiat's band, Gray. I've tried to track down a recording for
years. Was anyone on this list lucky enough to see Gray live?
Jeni
- -
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:57:51 -0400
From: Brian Olewnick <olewnik@idt.net>
Subject: Re: SY in NYC review (was Re: syr4)
Dan Hewins wrote:
>=20
> Well, I have to say that the SY show didn't impress me that much.
Coming from a non SY-fan, I thought they were OK, with a few pretty good
rock songs and a final number, the title track from the new record, that
came close to being Branca-esque. My main problem was the whole
traditional rock band showcase thing, where the group trots out old hits
and select cuts from the latest release. It just seems so tired. I had
little sense that any of the band members (with the possible exception
of O'Rourke) still possessed the capability of being surprised by what
each other was playing; it was more going through the motions, within a
tightly constricted format, for all the feedback and guitar noise. One
amusing moment: during most of the show, as is normal I guess, audience
members were shouting forth song suggestions (demands?). Moore at one
point took the mike and with a fist-pumping and mocking imitation
shouted, "Don Byron's Music for Twelve Musicians!!" Would've loved to
see an audience reaction shot.
> The Br=F6tzmann 10tet + 2 was pretty good. =20
I liked them well enough, though they seemed a bit ragged and possibly
under-rehearsed (Roy Campbell, doing lackluster sub duty for Kondo,
definitely missed his mark a couple of times). I kinda figured they'd
try to woo the crowd with a trademark Vandermark riff-based piece, but
instead they did one longer number (probably a Brotz composition, I'd
guess) that alternated Machine Gun-like walls of sound with various
duos/trios/quartets, etc. The few hundred Sonic Youth fans towards the
front of the crowd seemed to enjoy it reasonably well, though the number
of cell phone conversations going on was disconcerting ("Like, I don't
know, like there's this weird shit going on?"). They closed with a good
head of steam, including ferocious back to back solos on tenors from KV
and Brotz. Gustaffson joined Sonic Youth for the band's second encore,
an engaging skronk-fest.
Looking forward very much to hearing them at Tonic where, with a little
more gelling and a more comfortable and smaller space (and seats! these
ancient legs did yeoman's duty standing for four hours!), things should
work out better.
Brian Olewnick
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 20:35:54 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Subject: Re: Fred Frith: Technology Of Tears
At 09:28 PM 6/18/00 +0000, ainagy@elender.hu wrote:
>a question: any of you know Frith's "Technology Of Tears"? Opinions? What
kind of music is it?
It's interesting to listen to this again in light of what Frith has done
since. This is a suite of pieces for dance, mostly very rhythmic, a lot of
pulse-based and repetitive figures, and still fairly close to the RIO
aesthetic of Henry Cow, but also looking ahead to his more recent interest
in larger forms. Frith overdubs most of the instruments himself (although
Zorn, Marclay, and Tenko are on half the album, and Jim Staley plays on a
couple of pieces too), which reinforces some of the rockish rhythmic
figures and doesn't leave as much room for virtuosity or improv as on some
of his other works.
- --
Caleb Deupree
cdeupree@erinet.com
Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance
like nobody's watching.
- -- Satchel Paige
- -
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 01:11:58 GMT
From: "Bill Ashline" <bashline@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Sun Ra's "Space is the Place"
>From: Greg Mills <gregm@tonic360.com>
>
>A friend of mine recently saw a Sun Ra film from the early 70s called
>"Space
>is the Place". Rather than a concert film, it has a plot, something about
>Sun Ra and the Arkestra riding around in a rocket ship thwarting the
>nefarious plans of the FBI.
>
>In trying to explain the look of the film, he said it was if Earth Wind and
>Fire were featured on an episode of "Shazam".
>
>Has anyone else seen this?
It's pure kitsch and blaxploitation parody--early seventies afros and
psychedelic clothes and Sun Ra having a Tarot card game with a pimp. Ra's
best line is when he is the operator of the Outer Space Employment Agency
and is queried by a vagrant for a job. When Ra asks what the man can do, he
responds "nothing." So Ra offers to hire him to do "nothing." Then the
vagrant asks what he will be paid. And Ra responds "nothing."
>-
>
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:42:27 EDT
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: SY in NYC review (was Re: syr4)
a couple of my own opinions on the Br=F6tzmann/SY show:
for me, both the 10tet/12tet and Die Like A Dog are much better with=20
Toshinori Kondo (absent for this show, and for the whole US tour, I believe)=
=20
than with Roy Campbell. when you also factored in the poor acoustics and the=
=20
somewhat ragged play of the band (it was the first show of the tour, I'm=20
pretty sure), I didn't get too much out of this. they should be better at=20
Tonic, but Kondo still won't be there. it was nice to see all of the Sonic=20
Youth fans exposed to this music, though.
<<Moore at one point took the mike and with a fist-pumping and mocking=20
imitation
shouted, "Don Byron's Music for Twelve Musicians!!">>
what's really funny about this, which I didn't realize until I told someone=20
the story, is that Byron's record is actually called Music For SIx Musicians=
.
what was impressive to me about the SY set was the energy these guys put out=
,=20
especially Thurston. O'Rourke blended in well, mostly staying in the=20
background. my high points of the set were:
the raveup at the end of NYC Ghosts and Flowers.
the first encore, which was a Steve Shelley-less piece, with O'Rourke on=20
synth, Ranaldo on Korg, and Gustaffson jamming along. this piece was closer=20
to the O'Rourke/Gustaffson/Ikue Mori set at Tonic a few weeks ago than it wa=
s=20
to Sonic Youth.
the guitar break in the last encore, 100%, where all four guitarists used a=20
drumstick on their strings at once.
<<a more comfortable and smaller space (and seats! these
ancient legs did yeoman's duty standing for four hours!)>>
my legs were as stiff as anyone's, but the two shows and the break in betwee=
n=20
only lasted about three hours.=20
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
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