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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #939
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Zorn List Digest Wednesday, May 17 2000 Volume 02 : Number 939
In this issue:
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Kaija Saariaho
Morricone
Odp: Coitus Interruptus
Re: mazzacane
Re: Morricone
RE: Klezmer recommendations needed
It's a shame!!!!
zorn-list ADMIN info (was Re: lsdc+w disclaimr)
Re: Kaija Saariaho
Re: too many bull-shit on this list
Re: beer+sausage+people like us
Re: Coitus Interruptus
Re: It's a shame!!!!
Re: comments on new brotzmann
Re: Morricone
And now for something completely...
Loren M. Connors question
Re: Loren M. Connors question
Prelapse at KnitActive
Klezmer
Info needed?
InterruptUs
Re: Loren M. Connors question
Odp: Info needed?
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:56:39 -0700
From: Greg Mills <gregm@tonic360.com>
Subject: Kaija Saariaho
A friend of mine played some Kaija Saariaho for me, and I am very intrigued.
Anyone have a reco as to where to start with her work?
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 17:39:42 EDT
From: "& c." <parksplace@hotmail.com>
Subject: Morricone
I don't quite understand the connection between experimental music (Zorn,
mr. bungle, etc) and the music of Ennio Morricone. Why not any other film
composers (ie Bernard Herrmann or Max Steiner)? What is it about his music
that lends it self to or attracts experimental artist?
Zach
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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 00:41:38 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcing@mospan.pl>
Subject: Odp: Coitus Interruptus
> transcendence and that most "recent-purchases" get only occasional listens
> after a month or so. (breath)
Yeah, that happens. Strange how much of what seems to be great music is not
very entertaining. And the differences between things that are really
attractive and those who are not is not easy to grasp: there are no rules.
> But, there are exceptions. There are those exceptional recordings that
tend
> to be returned to with regularity.
> What past releases are interrupting your new releases this week?
well, all this year long i listen to stravinsky 'rake's progress' by
gardiner &lso, feat terfel, von otter, york, and bostridge. Outstandig. I
simply love this stuff - the plot, the mad neoclassical music, the way the
thing is writen and performed. I 'm planning to make a website deciated to
this opera, but am quite lazy...
Naked City(s) (epsoecialy tortue garden , and the jz- naked city) are also
my 'classics'. I listen to 'torture garden' frequently, and it amazes me
everytime i do. Filmworks I is also an 'eternal classic', as well as
spillane (btw i finally dig 'the bribe') Also Zappa's 'make a jazz noise
here', last year's big hit
(for me, of course).
I rarely listen to such new stuff as berne's bloodcount. It' s great, but...
Yeah, and frisell/driscoll/baron/live. Wow. (and miles!)
One more thing: eno, his early 'madpop' albums, especially 'here come the
warm jets' and 'another green world'.
Marcin Gokieli
marcing@mospan.pl
<<RAKEWELL
Where is my Venus? Why have you stolen her while
I slept? Madmen! Where have you hidden her?
MADMEN
Venus? Stolen? Hidden? Where?
Madman! No one has been here.>>
Auden & Kallman, Stravinsky's "The Rake's Progress"
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 16:08:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: "m. rizzi" <rizzi@netcom.com>
Subject: Re: mazzacane
>few times (once w/ the charalambides, a night which still lives in my memory
>as one of magic and mystery and light-thanks christina),
>completely awestruck.
sadly, I never got to see charalambides live.
nice to hear they are as good live, as recorded.
sigh.
mike
- -
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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 09:22:41 +1000
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: Morricone
> I don't quite understand the connection between experimental music (Zorn,
> mr. bungle, etc) and the music of Ennio Morricone. Why not any other
film
> composers (ie Bernard Herrmann or Max Steiner)? What is it about his
music
> that lends it self to or attracts experimental artist?
This may not be THE reason for it, but Morricone actually did some free
improv stuff on trumpet before his main work as film composer. His career
has a few parallels in this sense to Zorn's.
Also, Morricone's soundtracks usually work as listening music away from the
film (in fact many of his best scores were for pretty bad films, you'd be
best off just hearing the soundtracks). Bernard Hermann is fantastic, but
strikes me as a film composer whose music is really integrated with the
vision (eg Psycho). Of course Zorn has cited Hermann as an influence (on
"Radio"), as has Trey Spruance, and I believe Mr Bungle has covered one or
two of his pieces...
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 21:20:15 -0300
From: "Hugo Linares" <hlinares@utenet.com.ar>
Subject: RE: Klezmer recommendations needed
>Neil H. Enet wrote:
>>
>> I'm in need of some good
>> recommendations for Klezmer music.
>> - Traditional Klezmer
>
PatRice wrote:
>> - Wild Crazy Dissonant Klezmer
>
>there's quite a lot of that kinda stuff out on tzadik. the radical
>jewish culture series.
>
>one good point to start, i think, is the knitting factory 1993 klezmer
>compilation. masada is on it, plus about 10 other downtown klezmer-"ish"
>bands.
>
Seconded.
In the "band" vein you can also check out Steven Bernstein's "Diaspora Soul"
(Tzadik 7137) and Naftule's Dream "Smash, Clap" (Tzadik 7125).
And you can't miss Anthony Coleman's "Sephardic Tinge" and "Morenica" (both
on Tzadik).
Just my opinion and hope this helps,
Hugo Linares.
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 20:34:24 -0400
From: "Neil H. Enet" <nilugo@usa.net>
Subject: It's a shame!!!!
Ok, another one:
I suppose we all own at least one CD that we're just ashamed of having, not
to proud of it, but there it is among all our John Zorn collection. Here's
mine:
GUNS N' ROSES: appetite for destruction
but hey, this one is actually not that bad, eh? :-)
Neil H. Enet
- ------------
NP: GUNS N' ROSES: appetite for destruction (please, don't kick me out of
the list :-)
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 17:37:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: "m. rizzi" <rizzi@netcom.com>
Subject: zorn-list ADMIN info (was Re: lsdc+w disclaimr)
>odd -- that interminably long eugene chadbourne sat somewhere in the ether for a
>week before showing up on the list.
Actually, it sat in the zorn-list-bounces
folder waiting for me to process, and
sometimes life gets in the way of my
being prompt with list maintenance.
What caught your message, and others
like it, was the inclusion of language
that the majordomo list software thought
was an attempt to
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or
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list membership.
So, I would caution all list members
to be careful of using 'those words'
in their email messages if they want
the message to be forwarded to the list
membership promptly.
The list software also checks for large
messages, spam, and too many crossposts.
woo hoo technology.
yours in geekdom,
mike rizzi
zorn-list-owner
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 20:44:23 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Subject: Re: Kaija Saariaho
At 01:56 PM 5/16/00 -0700, Greg Mills wrote:
>A friend of mine played some Kaija Saariaho for me, and I am very intrigued.
>Anyone have a reco as to where to start with her work?
The only CD I have by her (or have even seen) is Private Gardens on Ondine
which has four pieces, one each for electronics and soprano, percussion,
flute and cello. Very delicate pieces, especially Six Japanese Gardens for
percussion and electronics. I'm not especially fond of the soprano piece,
but it's one of the few instruments I really don't like. Otherwise it's a
very nice set which I'd recommend.
- --
Caleb Deupree
cdeupree@erinet.com
Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance
like nobody's watching.
- -- Satchel Paige
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 17:54:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: "m. rizzi" <rizzi@netcom.com>
Subject: Re: too many bull-shit on this list
While I may be a bit late...
>Hey Dick Cheese,
I'd like to ask everyone to play nice,
and stopping kicking sand on each other
>Nice English.
Ummmm, a large portion of the almost 700
people on the zorn-list are from countries
other than the U.S. In fact, a quick
survey of the subscriber list shows we
have folks from the countries participating
Sweden
Denmark
Belgium
Argentina
Australia
Germany
Netherlands
Japan
Italy
France
Spain
Norway
UK
Switzerland
Finland
Poland
Hungary
Portugal
Mexico
Russia
Niuie
Israel
Brazil
Uruguay
Canada
and Berkeley
mike rizzi
zorn-list-owner
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 17:59:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: "m. rizzi" <rizzi@netcom.com>
Subject: Re: beer+sausage+people like us
kurt_gottschalk@scni.com, demi-God and Icon sez:
>
>the last set of the night was quintron and miss pussycat, and it's the second
>time i've missed them. was curious about the puppet show, but couldn't suffer
>the idiotic charming songs long enough to get to that part. they seemd to be the
>draw of the night. any q+mp champions out there?
Quintron can be amazing live, and I've seen him
on an off night as well. The first time I saw
him in the old Stork club in Oakland, it was
PACKED and the crowd was wild and raucuous,
down and funky. All the freaks were out, and
everyone was dancing, and getting sweaty, and
freaky. Truly one of the more memorable shows
I've seen...however, other times the crowd
wasn't that into it, so perhaps he is best
when the crowd rocks...as for Miss Pussycat
and the puppet show, funny in a novelty way
for about 3 minutes, then it gets booorring.
mike
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:30:15 -0400
From: "Dann-Brown" <DLB7@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Coitus Interruptus
> What past releases are interrupting your new releases this week?
Motor Humming - "Musical Aluminum"
Husker Du - "Zen Arcade"
Ruins - "Burning Stone"
Napalm Death - "From Enslavement To Obliteration"
Blake Babies - "Sunburn"
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:32:19 -0400
From: "Dann-Brown" <DLB7@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: It's a shame!!!!
> I suppose we all own at least one CD that we're just ashamed of having,
not
> to proud of it, but there it is among all our John Zorn collection.
Yeah.... Pet Shop Boys - "Actually"
- -------
Dann-Brown
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:43:15 EDT
From: "Mathieu Belanger" <belanmat@MAGELLAN.UMontreal.CA>
Subject: Re: comments on new brotzmann
Hello,
>> peter brotzmann tentet, 'stone water', okkadisk od12032
>
>Picked up the Brotz the other day. It's one 38 minute piece, just a
>small part of an amazing concert at Victo last year.
Radio-Canada broadcasted most of the show three of four weeks ago.
There was no 38 minutes piece. Is it a continious piece ? They
broadcasted a composition which lasted 21 minutes and the next one was
17 minutes long. Is there any applause in the middle of the piece on
the disk (21 + 17 = 38, right ?) I am just curious... But then, maybe I
should listen to my tape to see if it fits the description that was
made of the piece!
Bye,
Mathieu
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:49:51 -0400
From: "Peter Risser" <risser@cinci.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Morricone
Not to mention, a lot of the early stuff is completely over the top
fucked-up listening.
I mean, come on, even a tune as "common" as Good, Bad and Ugly is crazed
music.
But stuff like Theme from a Fistful of Dollars and Navajo Joe are totally
insane and amazing,
while tunes like Hurry to Me and even The Sicilian Clan are pure beauty.
Also, yeah, he tended to write cool songs in a pop vein, vs. some of the
more atmospheric, background stuff that Hermann and others write. I'd
compare that sort of thing more to a Mancini, Barry or Bacharach where the
tunes tend to stand as near full-on pop compositions.
peter
From: Julian <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
> > I don't quite understand the connection between experimental music
(Zorn,
>
> > mr. bungle, etc) and the music of Ennio Morricone. Why not any other
> film
> > composers (ie Bernard Herrmann or Max Steiner)? What is it about his
> music
> > that lends it self to or attracts experimental artist?
>
> This may not be THE reason for it, but Morricone actually did some free
> improv stuff on trumpet before his main work as film composer. His career
> has a few parallels in this sense to Zorn's.
- -
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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 00:40:33 -0300
From: "Gabriel Lichtmann" <la_lichuza@bancaria.net.ar>
Subject: And now for something completely...
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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 00:07:42 -0400
From: Matt Laferty <bg60009@binghamton.edu>
Subject: Loren M. Connors question
Zorn-ites
I have a question about Loren's 1993 album Hell's Kitchen Park album. I
was just reading the bible (the Forced Exposure Website) ordering the 4
disc set on Ecstatic Yod when I noticed that Hell's Kitchen Park was
reissued. I found a used copy about 3 years ago that only had the CD
and a one-sided simple cover. Does anyone else have the original
pressing and can tell me what is missing from the package?
I'd also appreciate any feedback about the box set.
Thanks,
Matt
NP: David S. Ware "Flight of i"
- -
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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 00:29:09 EDT
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: Loren M. Connors question
In a message dated 5/17/00 12:10:07 AM, bg60009@binghamton.edu writes:
<< I found a used copy about 3 years ago that only had the CD
and a one-sided simple cover. Does anyone else have the original
pressing and can tell me what is missing from the package? >>
nothing, that's all that was included. one of my favorite Loren records.
<<I'd also appreciate any feedback about the box set.>>
I'd say it's more for dedicated LMC fans than for someone who only has a few
of his records, long, raucous solo pieces with a fair amount of vocalizing.
Loren's single CD compilation of the box was released this week.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 01:00:21 EDT
From: Alejo88@aol.com
Subject: Prelapse at KnitActive
Hey, folks
Come check us out at KnitActive this Saturday night! We've got some new
compositions rolling. . . it'll be a great gig.
PRELAPSE
KnitActive Soundstage
Saturday May 20
10pm
$7
Tribeca, NYC
74 Leonard St, b/n Church and B'way
www.blindermusic.com/prelapse
Alex
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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:31:38 +1000
From: "Lee, Edgar" <Edgar.Lee@dva.gov.au>
Subject: Klezmer
The best Klezmer site which may answer many of your questions is
http://www.klezmershack.com
My favourite of the klezmer revival is the Klezmatics "Rhythm and Jews"
because of it's importance in reviving and popularizing the genre. The
earlier Naftule's Dream are also quite exciting, unfortunately their most
recent is too influenced by Frank Zappa and ends up sounding like one of his
bloated parodies.
My older favourite CDs vying for attention are Sonny Simmons first ESP L.P
"Staying on the Watch" especially for the interplay with his then wife
Barbara Donald on trumpet ( I've just ordered her 2 LPs for Cadence and I'm
hoping they're as good), and Charles Mingus "Live at Antibes" because it
starts of at a rapid pace, which is perfect to propel myself to do something
in the morning.
Edgar
- -
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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 09:52:17 +0400
From: alex <alex@tsel.ru>
Subject: Info needed?
Hello zorniacs!
I need info about two albums:
dekoboko hajime, yamantaka eye - nani nani (line up, rec.date, is it
true that dekoboko hajime=john zorn)
john zorn - new traditions in ...(the real title, line up, rec. date,
track list)
Any help appreciated.
- --
Bye,
A.B. mailto:alex@tsel.ru
- -
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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 02:14:49 EDT
From: XRedbirdxx@aol.com
Subject: InterruptUs
<< What past releases are interrupting your new releases this week? >>
guns and roses - appetite for destruction
robert ashley - automatic writing
tricky - pre-millenium tension
the john cage tribute album on koch (2cd)
- -
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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 02:56:02 -0400
From: "Jesse Kudler" <jkudler@mail.wesleyan.edu>
Subject: Re: Loren M. Connors question
> <<I'd also appreciate any feedback about the box set.>>
>
> I'd say it's more for dedicated LMC fans than for someone who only has a
few
> of his records, long, raucous solo pieces with a fair amount of
vocalizing.
> Loren's single CD compilation of the box was released this week.
It's all acoustic as well, right? I heard a bit of it somewhere (maybe a
sampler CD at the radio station), and it's pretty different from his current
stuff. The vocals, of course, for one, but it's also more obviously
"bluesy" and a lot more "primitive" (load that word with what you will).
There's also a recent reissue of similar material but more song-oriented
with Kath Bloom singing, and the stuff I heard was quite nice. There's some
MP3's at www.epitonic.com
- -Jesse
- -
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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 09:12:22 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcing@mospan.pl>
Subject: Odp: Info needed?
> dekoboko hajime, yamantaka eye - nani nani (line up, rec.date, is it
> true that dekoboko hajime=john zorn)
it is true. the personel is dekoboko hajime and yamatsuka eye. it's been
recorded in '93 or something like that. It's a funny album with lots of
jokes and crazy stuff.
> john zorn - new traditions in ...(the real title, line up, rec. date,
> track list)
real title?
what's 'unreal' about the one you mentioned?
Marcin Gokieli
marcing@mospan.pl
<<RAKEWELL
Where is my Venus? Why have you stolen her while
I slept? Madmen! Where have you hidden her?
MADMEN
Venus? Stolen? Hidden? Where?
Madman! No one has been here.>>
Auden & Kallman, Stravinsky's "The Rake's Progress"
- -
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