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Zorn List Digest         Tuesday, May 16 2000         Volume 02 : Number 938



In this issue:
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       Trying to contact: Wood Nick <[e-mail]>
       Trying to contact: Olin Brownell <[e-mail]>
       Re: Thomas Chapin Box Set "Alive"
       if anyone's still interested
       Winter & Winter web site
       John Fahey gap questions
       Re: John Fahey gap questions
       Re: John Fahey gap questions
       Re: John Fahey gap questions
       Re: Winter & Winter web site
       Klezmer recommendations needed
       Re: John Fahey gap questions
       Improvisation: the television series
       Re: Odp: ornette's first band --& Paul Bley
       shibboleth
       Re: Klezmer recommendations needed
       Re: Klezmer recommendations needed
       BLUE
       RE:Winter & Winter web site?
       Mappings this week
       ARTO BROTZMANN
       Coitus Interruptus
       Re: Coitus Interruptus

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Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:50:35 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Patrick Carey)
Subject: Trying to contact: Wood Nick <[e-mail]>

Please pardon the intrusion ...

I'm trying to contact Wood Nick <[e-mail]>.
If you're out there and you see this, please get in touch ASAP.
I've been sending emails regarding your order with me and
haven't heard back from you.

Thanks


- -Patrick
[e-mail]



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Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:53:49 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Patrick Carey)
Subject: Trying to contact: Olin Brownell <[e-mail]>

Please pardon the intrusion ...

I'm trying to contact Olin Brownell <[e-mail]>.
If you're out there and you see this, please get in touch ASAP.
I've been sending emails regarding your order with me and
haven't heard back from you.

Thanks


- -Patrick
[e-mail]



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Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:38:11 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Thomas Chapin Box Set "Alive"

In a message dated 5/14/00 9:39:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< I think this box set is in bad taste. I understand the set includes all
eight
 recorded albums on KF and an extra EP of live music. The price is cheap and
 might be a great deal for someone that is just getting familiar with Mr.
 Chapin, but what about the people who own everything but the EP? KF knows
 they will want this as well and are in fact cashing in on a dead man, a very
 missed talented dead man...Bad taste!!! >>

To tie another thread into this one, this is the sort of situation that begs
for bootlegging/posting of mp3 files, etc.  While I won't speculate the
reasons behind KFW's reason for doing this, it does add a bit of fuel to the
fire.

- --
np: Collage- Moonshine (Polish prog that would likely make most people here
gag)

=dg=

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Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 15:30:47 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: if anyone's still interested

orange county register article on napster, metallica, korn, offspring, etc.
write private to ask me for a copy.



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Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 18:14:39 -0400
From: Peter Gannushkin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Winter & Winter web site

Hello All,

  Is there anywhere Winter & Winter web site?

Best regards,
Peter Gannushkin
e-mail: [e-mail]



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Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 18:35:01 -0400
From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: John Fahey gap questions

OK, here's the situation: After belatedly waking up to Fahey's marvelous
music about three years ago, I've acquired several of his earliest
releases ('Legend of Blind Joe Death', the 2nd one with 'Military
Waltzes' in the title, 'Requia') and a few of his more recent ones, from
'God, Time and Causality' through 'City of Refuge', 'Womblife', etc.
loving virtually all of it, from the country-bluesiest to the most
bitterly atonal. I'm looking for recommendations of his things from
@1968-88. I've heard tell that some are "failed experiments" which
doesn't particularly put me off as a) I'm interested in hearing
so-called failures by musicians I admire and b) of course, they may not
be failures after all. Thanks,

Brian Olewnick

- -

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Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 15:51:06 -0700
From: "s~Z" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: John Fahey gap questions

when I first moved to california (1975) I went to a performance called
GUITAR SUMMIT at UCLA's Royce Hall, primarily to see John Fahey...when he
took the stage he walked up to the microphone and mumbled, "The performance
I have chosen to play tonight takes over an hour and a half to perform, but
they have told me I can only have 45 minutes. Thus, I am going to have to
play this piece at double speed. Please bear with me." Then he proceeded to
scorch the strings of his acoustic guitar at blistering speed for exactly 45
minutes and abruptly walked off stage to thunderous applause. Another one of
those magic music moments.


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Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 18:04:34 -0700
From: William Crump <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: John Fahey gap questions

s~Z wrote:

> when I first moved to california (1975) I went to a performance called
> GUITAR SUMMIT at UCLA's Royce Hall, primarily to see John Fahey...when he
> took the stage he walked up to the microphone and mumbled, "The performance
> I have chosen to play tonight takes over an hour and a half to perform, but
> they have told me I can only have 45 minutes. Thus, I am going to have to
> play this piece at double speed. Please bear with me." Then he proceeded to
> scorch the strings of his acoustic guitar at blistering speed for exactly 45
> minutes and abruptly walked off stage to thunderous applause. Another one of
> those magic music moments.
>
> -

That's interesting in light of the Epstein-Barr virus that laid him low for so
long later on. If he ever thinks back to performances like that, I can only
imagine the combination of bitterness and bemusement. Personally I find the
music that he's had to physically struggle to play to be more interesting.

William Crump
... totally blown away by the news of the Brotzmann Tentet coming to SF...
anyone know the venue/date yet?


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Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 19:04:10 -0700
From: "s~Z" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: John Fahey gap questions

<<<William Crump
... totally blown away by the news of the Brotzmann Tentet coming to SF...
anyone know the venue/date yet?>>>

And I can't help but worry that good ole Tinseltown a bit further south will
be snubbed. Especially in light of Vandermark's appearance in Santa Barbara
a few years back before an audience of 6 of us in a tiny little bar. But I'm
already negotiating a carpool with several friends if SF is as far south as
they blow.


- -




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Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 21:13:15 -0500
From: sergio luque <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Winter & Winter web site

Peter Gannushkin wrote:
>   Is there anywhere Winter & Winter web site?

http://www.winter-winter.njetwork.de/

regards,
________________________________________________________________
sergio luque
[e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 22:48:25 -0400
From: "Neil H. Enet" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Klezmer recommendations needed

Hello list,

    having discovered Masada a few months ago, I'm in need of some good
recommendations for Klezmer music.  So here's what I need:
- - Traditional Klezmer
- - Wild Crazy Dissonant Klezmer
- - Review of the CAMP STORIES soundtrack
- - Anything similar to Masada's combination of Klezmer and Ornette (you know
what I mean)
- - Whatever you knowledged Zornsters (or whatever) have to recommend

Thank you very much in advance, who else could I ask? :-)

Neil H. Enet
- ------------


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Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 23:23:19 -0400
From: Matt Laferty <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: John Fahey gap questions

Well, I'm a big fan of Fahey's "Railroad" (especially the track called
"oneonta"--about Rt. 80 between Albany and Binghamton...he get's the mood of
desolation just right...but maybe that's his best mood.

Also dig "The Mill Pond" 2x7" ...don't know if it's on CD

And "I Remember Blind Joe Death" kinda fixed me on the Fahey bandwagon about
8 or 9 years ago.

Matt

Brian Olewnick wrote:

> OK, here's the situation: After belatedly waking up to Fahey's marvelous
> music about three years ago, I've acquired several of his earliest
> releases ('Legend of Blind Joe Death', the 2nd one with 'Military
> Waltzes' in the title, 'Requia') and a few of his more recent ones, from
> 'God, Time and Causality' through 'City of Refuge', 'Womblife', etc.
> loving virtually all of it, from the country-bluesiest to the most
> bitterly atonal. I'm looking for recommendations of his things from
> @1968-88. I've heard tell that some are "failed experiments" which
> doesn't particularly put me off as a) I'm interested in hearing
> so-called failures by musicians I admire and b) of course, they may not
> be failures after all. Thanks,
>
> Brian Olewnick
>
> -


- -

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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 02:08:10 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Improvisation: the television series

I saw the screening at Tonic tonight of the first two parts (of four) of
Derek Bailey's 1991 television series, based on his book, and written and
narrated by him for Channel Four in England. the shows were really
interesting, with some highlights being:

Douglas Ewart coming into a Chicago classroom of young kids (maybe 10 or 12
years old), and playing different horns and percussion instruments without
speaking a word, while the kids gradually join in. as the kids started to
really get into it, it sounded surprisingly coherent.

John Zorn, with a really silly haircut (a crew cut with long hair in a
ponytail in the back), being interviewed and equating his game pieces to
Stockhausen's Plus/Minus, around which we got to see some sort of Cobra
rehearsal which produced nothing of musical interest, at least what was
shown. what I found especially funny was Bailey's introduction to this
segment, which followed a segment on improv in modern-day classical music,
focusing on a Mozart piece. Bailey said something like "and now to New York
City, where some observers feel that John Zorn is having a Mozartian impact."
those aren't the exact words, but that was the gist of it.

some awesome Spanish flamenco dancing, with accompaniment by two guitars and
some clapping.

Stevie Wishart and Jim Denley playing some sort of medieval music, along with
a singer and another stringed instrumentalist.

a lot of focus on different strains of Indian music, some of which were
great, some not as impressive.

a Scottish church congregation singing improv vocals to a Psalm, all in
unison. they weren't great singers, and they didn't care. pretty cool.

Eddie Palmieri playing with his band at the Lone Star Cafe in NYC, in what
seemed to me to be a subpar performance for them.

the last two parts are next Monday, and I assume they'll delve into jazz,
blues and African music, all of which were virtually ignored in these two
episodes.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 11:02:10 CEST
From: "Andreas Dietz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Odp: ornette's first band --& Paul Bley

>From: "Marcin Gokieli" <[e-mail]>
> > so i wonder: is it really possible that anybody on this list does not
> > enjoy ornette's first band?! or perhaps there was a band before the
> > wonderful cherry/haden quartet that you're referring to?
>BTW, i've heard that the first recordings of Coleman and Cherry are on an
>album by Paul Bley. Is it true, and btw, can anybody tell me something
>about
>his stuff?
>

there are two albums with Paul Bley from the Hillcrest Club in Los Angeles -
recorded Oct 1958. One is THE FABULOUS PAUL BLEY QUINTET and the other is
COLEMAN CLASSICS. It┤s the classic Coleman Quartet plus Bley. The very first
Coleman SOMETHING ELSE! is from Feb/Mar 1958 and a little bit older. I think
all this stuff is worth to check it out and see one of Zorn┤s musical roots.

Andreas Dietz
________________________________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com


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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 11:03:49 +0200
From: Marcel Cobussen <[e-mail]>
Subject: shibboleth

Hi everybody,

Can someone help me? I'm looking for some information about Zorn's
composition 'Shibboleth'. It's not available on CD, is it? Is it written
for string quartet or not? When performed live, are there already some
reviews on this piece? Did Zorn say anything about it already? I know
Shibboleth was a password for the Jews once, but maybe somebody can tell
me if Zorn made also a reference to a book by Jacques Derrida, which
bears the same title.
Any help is welcome!!

Thanks

- --
Marcel Cobussen
Erasmus University Rotterdam
FHKW
Postbus 1738
3000 DR Rotterdam

tel. [phone] (work)
tel. [phone] (private)
fax. [phone]



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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 11:38:52 +0200
From: patRice <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Klezmer recommendations needed

Neil H. Enet wrote:
>
>  I'm in need of some good
> recommendations for Klezmer music.
> - Traditional Klezmer

the klezmatics are somewhat in a traditional vein, i feel. but with a
certain modern edge. i've seen them live, and it was very enjoyable.
don't know which cd is best though.

> - Wild Crazy Dissonant Klezmer

there's quite a lot of that kinda stuff out on tzadik. the radical
jewish culture series.

one good point to start, i think, is the knitting factory 1993 klezmer
compilation. masada is on it, plus about 10 other downtown klezmer-"ish"
bands.

hope this helps!?
(but i'm sure there'll be lots more mails coming your/our way
anyways...)

patRice

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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 20:41:45 +1000
From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Klezmer recommendations needed

> > - Traditional Klezmer
>
> the klezmatics are somewhat in a traditional vein, i feel. but with a
> certain modern edge. i've seen them live, and it was very enjoyable.
> don't know which cd is best though.

Klezmatics are on the "traditional" side of the more modern stuff, but is
hardly really traditional considering their occasional use of odd little
other styles, like chucking in latin rhythms or snippets of surf and rock,
and their improvisation techniques. Their stuff is great technically but
sometimes sounds a bit sterile. 2 of their best: "Jews With Horns" and
"Rhythm & Jews". For something really trad. maybe try some of the old
klezmer greats like Dave Tarras or Naftule Brandwein...

> > - Wild Crazy Dissonant Klezmer
>
> there's quite a lot of that kinda stuff out on tzadik. the radical
> jewish culture series.

Yeah, definitely check out "Search For The Golden Dreydl" by Naftule's
Dream, kind of like klezmer with a Zappa mentality. Also either David
Krakauer album is great.


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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:17:28 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BLUE

Just got Bruford Levin Upper Extremites Live (with torn and botti).
Nice kind of music. AMAZING rythm section - one with a real personal style.
funny that they've been (more mor less) fired form King Crimson (btw their
new cd is quite nice, especially the last imrovised tune, and
gunn/mastelotto do very strange work)
Marcin Gokieli
[e-mail]

<<RAKEWELL
Where is my Venus? Why have you stolen her while
I slept? Madmen! Where have you hidden her?
MADMEN
Venus? Stolen? Hidden? Where?
Madman! No one has been here.>>
Auden & Kallman, Stravinsky's "The Rake's Progress"


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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:05:04 -0300
From: Juan Martin Alfaro <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE:Winter & Winter web site?

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it=B4s a great company, with great artists.=20


juan mart=EDn alfaro
arquitecto U.B.A.
buenos aires
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 11:06:55 -0500
From: Herb Levy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Mappings this week

Hi folks,

This week's Mappings has a few things which may be of interest:
Shelley Hirsch/Jerry Hunt (NOT from the Tzadik disc); Kaffe Mathews;
Richard Teitelbaum; Ikue Mori; Thomas Lehn/Gerry Hemingway; and a few
other, less Zorn-related, electro-acoustic things.

<http://www.antennaradio.com/avant/mappings/index.htm>
- --
Herb Levy
NEW MAILING ADDRESS:  P O Box 9369  Forth Wort, TX  76147
NEW PHONE: [phone]
same old e-mail: [e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 00:09:02 +0100
From: "ian r watson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: ARTO BROTZMANN

> P.S. Thanks to those on the list who recommended Arto Lindsay's PRIZE last
> year; I finally got around to checking it out, and I'm about as excited as
I
> can be---for those who haven't heard it, it's an unstable amalgam of
> Brasilian-tinged pop, noise, some pretty rough-edged electronic, and other
> ideas.  Pretty amazing, IMHO---absolutely not to be missed, though I have
no
> way of knowing if this is typical for Arto.  If so, I need to buy some
> records.

If you like Prize you should go straight to any of the Rykodisc cd's
particularly "Mundo Civilizado", but as a big fan I don't think you can go
wrong with anything Arto puts his name to. I'd call it pretty stable myself.
One older fave of mine to look out for would be "Pretty Ugly"   with Peter
Scherer      Made to measure  MTM 23 CD

By the way has anyone heard anything about Dougie Bowne's recent musical
projects?.Also I was interested to hear of the Brotzmann Tentet disc which I
haven't seen here (in England) yet. I did pick up "Little birds have fast
hearts No 2 " the other  day which I didn't know was out, and very nice it
is too
 happy listening............Ian.>






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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:27:19 -0700
From: "s~Z" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Coitus Interruptus

My impression is that for most Zorn-listers airplay is focused on the most
recent purchases in that never ending search for auditorially induced
transcendence and that most "recent-purchases" get only occasional listens
after a month or so. (breath)

But, there are exceptions. There are those exceptional recordings that tend
to be returned to with regularity.

What past releases are interrupting your new releases this week?

(Two oldies are grabbing me today: "The Marz Combo" and "Psycho-Acoustic")



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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:41:40 -0700
From: William Crump <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Coitus Interruptus

s~Z wrote:

>
> What past releases are interrupting your new releases this week?
>
>

Good question.

JZ: Filmworks volume 1
Half Japanese: The Band That Would Be King
John McLaughlin: Extrapolation

William Crump



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