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Zorn List Digest         Thursday, May 4 2000         Volume 02 : Number 921



In this issue:
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       Re: dave douglas sextet live review
       Re: Odp: dave douglas sextet live review
       dare i say anything?
       Re: dare i say anything?
       perowsky
       Re: dare i say anything?
       Avant #5, New Japan, Bailey and Zamir
       RE: dare i say anything?
       Recent goodie: DJ Logic
       raymondscott
       Taylor/Bailey at Tonic
       Re: Art Pepper
       Re: Taylor/Bailey at Tonic
       Incus records question
       Re: Art Pepper

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Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 11:52:27 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: dave douglas sextet live review

In a message dated 5/3/00 6:15:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< it seemed as if
 i'd just heard a lot of the stuff he did during his solos somewhere
 before. >>
Because you probably have.

This is generally how I feel about his playing the past few albums.  When I
first discovered his music I went apeshit: Five, the first Tiny Bell, In Our
Lifetime...  Yet he seems pretty 'jazzy' to me lately.  Even though I read an
interview recently with him were he seems genuinely humble and into a lot of
music, as he obviously is (into a lot of music), I have yet to really hear
all these aspects manifest in a truly deep manner, except for maybe
Sanctuary, which I consider to be by far the best of his albums.  Soul on
Soul I consider to be by far the weakest of his albums, merely a retread of
previous sextet material twice over, as Stargazer was a slight retread in and
of itself.

matt mitchell

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Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 12:10:29 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Odp: dave douglas sextet live review

In a message dated 5/3/00 8:23:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< me the approach i witnessed last night is no longer interesting. not if

 > a band from today goes up there and tries to pull that 50s/60s off. >>

Everyone throws around comparisons to the Hancock/Carter/Williams rhythm
axis, but the truth is that if anybody even came CLOSE to being that
interesting, EVERYBODY would sit up and take notice.  Most jazz musicians
'play at' that 'style', as they 'play at' most 'styles,' and it ends up
sounding just like that.

matt mitchell

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Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 12:18:42 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: dare i say anything?

i like it when the vitriol flies around here, so i'll ally with patRice a little
and say i've usually been disappointed with douglas' own projects. it's nice to
know that, even if i am the only one in the u.s., there's someone else somewhere
who's unimpressed.

dd's playing in masada, of course, is irreplaceable. and i've really liked him
in some myra melford projects. i certainly haven't heard everything he's done on
his own, but what i have heard just always seemed routine. and i really hate to
say that.

my man patRice also says "isn't that one of the great things about this list:
somebody writes about an album you have, but haven't listen to for ages. you
decide you feel like listening to it when you get home - and: bliss! ;-)," which
is one of my fave things about hanging out here. i actually keep a list of discs
recommended here that i own, and try to work my way through those (i have a bad
habit of buying dozens and listening to the same two if left to my own
predilictions).

another recent listen has been the three company 91 discs on incus. what with
all the talk of derek bailey, buckethead and some sax player named zorn, i'm
surprised i don't hear more mention of it in these parts. reviews? i guess it's
kind of poorly recorded, but i like to think of it as oddly recorded. there's
something appealing about the uneven levels somehow. and i don't think there's
another recording of bucket in such a challenging (read: grown-up) setting.


since i've on occaison forwarded things to dr. chadbourne from listmembers,
thought i'd post this. didn't realize he has a web site, where you can get info
about the new cd-rs and other stuff. it's

http://www.nr.infi.net/~chadnc/HouseOfChadula/EugeneHome.html


also, stephane if you're out there, right me. i've got more info for you.



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Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 12:26:30 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: dare i say anything?

In a message dated 5/4/00 12:19:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< i like it when the vitriol flies around here, so i'll ally with patRice a
little
 and say i've usually been disappointed with douglas' own projects. it's nice
to
 know that, even if i am the only one in the u.s., there's someone else
somewhere
 who's unimpressed. >>
Actually, you're not the only one in the US.

matt mitchell

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Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 11:30:19 -0500 (CDT)
From: Tom Benton <[e-mail]>
Subject: perowsky

> ps. as long as i'm posting: has anyone anything to say about chris
> speed's latest trio disc?  perowsky's at the drums, go figure.

I picked it up last week and I'm rather enjoying it.  I'll admit I'm not
nearly as crazy about it as either of Chris' 4tet CDs (with Black, Vu, and
Skuli) but it is nevertheless quite nice.  Much to my suprise, a lot of it
is pretty damn jazz-like; especially when Jamie Saft is on organ and Chris
is on tenor they manage to move into some pretty convincing organ trio
territory.  Not to say that the disc doesn't have its fair share of
groove-heavy downtown freakiness, which is does, largely thanks to Jamie's
impressive collection of bizarre analog synths.  The clarinet/organ
combination is a most pleasant suprise, not sure if anyone's ever really
tried that out before.  Perowsky isn't really blowing me away, but isn't
turning me off either.  Sorta neutral on that right this minute.

Though I probably need to listen to it some more, as I've been pretty
occupied lately with the debut record from Scott Amendola (formerly of
Charlie Hunter, TJ Kirk, and so on and so forth), which I also picked up
in the Bay Area last week, which is completely amazing and jaw-dropping
and thoroughly cements my notion that the jazz-funk-whatever of the
aforementioned two bands is about 1% of what he's capable of as a
musician.

Two somethings to look for.




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Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 14:03:55 -0400
From: "Dann-Brown" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: dare i say anything?

> another recent listen has been the three company 91 discs on incus. what
with
> all the talk of derek bailey, buckethead and some sax player named zorn,
i'm
> surprised i don't hear more mention of it in these parts. reviews? i guess
it's
> kind of poorly recorded, but i like to think of it as oddly recorded.
there's
> something appealing about the uneven levels somehow. and i don't think
there's
> another recording of bucket in such a challenging (read: grown-up)
setting.

These three discs were actually, as unfortunate as this may sound, my first
exposure to Buckethead when I heard them a few years ago.

In a way, It's Buckethead who makes the most interesting music at the
Company 91 project, simply because he's placed in a new and unfamiliar
situation (clasicaly trained violinist Alex Balanescu also deserves high
marks).

I recommend these to anyone who hasn't heard them yet, but esp. try and seek
out disc 2 with the trio of Buckethead, trombonist Yves Robert and vocalist
Vanessa Mackness.  Disc 3 is distingusihed by Bailey teasing Buckethead in a
duet by refusing to play anything but feedback for 10 minutes (yes, -Bailey-
playing feedback).

- -------
Dann-Brown

np: Motor Humming - "Lucky Puppet", MUSICAL ALUMINUM



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Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 14:31:18 -0400
From: "Dann-Brown" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Avant #5, New Japan, Bailey and Zamir

For those unaware (just as I was until I found it), Avant 005 has been
released and is now available.  No, it's not the unrecorded Naked City
album.  It's a tribute album to Dave Brubeck.  Dave Slusser, Uri Caine,
Pachora, Bill Frisell, Ruins (!!!!!!!), MM&W, Anthony Coleman, Eyvind Kang,
Slowpoke, Erik Friedlander, Sex Mob, Dave Douglas (who's ears must really be
burning as of late), Joey Baron and David Krakauer all contribute track to
the disc.  Zorn unfortunately doesn't appear on the album anywhere, but It's
still a great album through an through.  The only disappointing thing about
the album is that there aren't any liner notes!  It would have been
fascinating to read Zorn's thoughs about Brubeck and his music.  Ah well -
more proof that you can't have everything.

Has anyone heard the new album on Tzadik's Key Series - Derek Bailey,
Jamaaladeen Tacuma and Calvin Weston?  Certianly all Bailey fans will lap
this one up, but the rhythm secion on this disc pulls some surprising tricks
out of it's hat as well.  This album, in my opinion, works a lot better then
that Arcana disc with Bill Laswell and Tony Williams

On the Radical Jewish Culture front, there's the Danny Zamir album,
"Satlah".  Zamir is a alto saxophonist who is obviously influenced by Zorn
but doesn't do flat-out imitation of him. You could liken this album to a
Masada minus trumpet.  Zorn does appear on this album for three tracks and
plays great, letting Zamir keep center stage while egging him on with his
solos.  This is a wonderful album that'll probably stay in my CD player for
a long while.

And finally, with all of that good music above, I'd still have to say that
the best and most interesting stuff from Tzadik has been coming from the New
Japan Series.  Korekyojin, Friction, Motor Humming and now Dousid3. I think
it's pronounced "dosage", but I'm not 100% sure.  The Dousid3 album,
"empties", is a trance-y dub-y rock album.  It's just a trio of guitar, bass
and drums, but they use a lot of effects and pedals to give the illusion
that there are more then 3 members in this band.  Sort of a cross between
(recent) Boredoms and Pizzacatto 5.  Highly recommended.

Whew!   That was a lot. It's been a good month for me and my CD collection.
=-)

- -------
Dann-Brown

np: Phillip Johnston - "Carmen Robs The Bank", MUSIC FOR FILMS



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Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 15:23:08 -0600
From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki  (S) " <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: dare i say anything?

<< i like it when the vitriol flies around here, so i'll ally with
patRice a
little
 and say i've usually been disappointed with douglas' own projects. it's
nice
to
 know that, even if i am the only one in the u.s., there's someone else
somewhere
 who's unimpressed. >>

>Actually, you're not the only one in the US.

I'll be a vocal third in the unimpressed catagory


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Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 17:44:15 -0400
From: "Neil H. Enet" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Recent goodie: DJ Logic

Hello all,

    I just purchased DJ Logic's Project Logic and it's a great mixture of Trip
Hop & Jazz, a subject we discussed a few months ago.  Dj Logic has been
working with Medeski Martin & Wood for a long time, and I understand he
appears in the last Sex Mob album.  The disc features MMW, Ribot, Sex Mob,
and lots of other New York Downtown musicians.  A very fun album and I
recommend it to everyone fond of the Trip Hop/Jazz genre.  Opinions are
welcomed!!!!

Neil H. Enet
- ------------

Oh!!   Since this list is about Zorn, I guess we have some Japanese fans
here, so I need a little help: (NON ZORN RELATED)

How do you say (and write): "We're not home right now" in japanese.  Please
respond privately.  Thanks



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Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 18:32:47 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: raymondscott

a friend forwarded me this from the raymond scott listserv, of all thin=
gs.
thought it might be of interest. all nyc.

THE RAYMOND SCOTT ORCHESTRETTE in concert

   ~  WNYC radio Thursday, MAY 11
   ~  JAZZ at MoMA, Friday, MAY 19
   ~  FEZ, New York, Saturday, JULY 29

The Raymond Scott Orchestrette (RSO) will perform in concert at the
MUSEUM OF MODERN ART on Friday, May 19, as part of the _Jazz at MoMA_
series. The ensemble can also be heard on WNYC-FM on May 11, and will
perform at Fez on July 29.

The RSO, which performs modernistic arrangements of Raymond Scott
tunes, debuted at the Jewish Museum in February 1999, and has
performed at Central Park SummerStage opening for They Might Be
Giants, and at the Animated Music Festival in Brussels.

The group consists of WAYNE BARKER (piano, arrangements); BRIAN DEWAN
(electric zither, piano, accordion, koto, electronics); MICHAEL HASHIM
(saxes); WILL HOLSHOUSER (accordion, arrangements); GEORGE RUSH
(bass); ROB THOMAS (violin); and CLEM WALDMANN (drums). For the MoMA
date, TODD REYNOLDS will fill in on violin and MATT HONG on sax. The
Fez date will feature the regular RSO line-up.

Both the MoMA and Fez dates will include guest performances by DAVID
GARLAND (accompanied by Holshouser and Dewan) and violinist DAVE
SOLDIER (of the Soldier String Quartet).

The MoMA performance takes place in the Garden Caf=E9, with one-hour
sets from 5:30-6:30 and 7:00-8:00 pm. Attendance is included in the
price of general admission to the museum (Friday is "Pay What You
Wish" day). The museum is located at 11 West 53rd Street, NYC. For
program information, call 212-708-9491.

    Further details are available at the MoMA website:
    http://www.moma.org/

The RSO performs on WNYC's _New Sounds_ with John Schaefer on May 11.
In the New York metro area, the program airs on FM 93.9 at 11 pm, and
worldwide on the web at http://www.wnyc.org.  If you miss the _New
Sounds_ performance, it will be available as an audio archive (on
demand, but not downloadable) on the WNYC website after Friday, May
12.

Additional performance dates in NYC, LA, and Europe are being
explored. For concert booking inquiries, contact
Irwin Chusid <[e-mail]>


RAYMOND ORCHESTRETTE STUDIO DEMO

The RSO recently recorded an 8-tune album demo and is seeking
interested record labels.
Inquiries: Irwin Chusid <[e-mail]>

     Visit the RSO info page:
     http://RaymondScott.com/orchette.html
     includes two MP3 files

- -------

Visit the Raymond Scott Archives at:
http://RaymondScott.com
=



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Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 18:44:36 -0400
From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Taylor/Bailey at Tonic

(Aside from the intrepid Herb Levy--and Jon for the last set--, were any
other z-listers there last night? Be curious of your reactions, if so)

Briefly, it was a pretty great show. With Tonic packed to the gills and
the event starting 1 1/2 hours late, I thought the crowd might be a bit
edgy, but from the opening, delicate patterns by Cecil, the first set, a
non-stop 90 minute improv, was transfixing. One worried a bit about ego
issues with this pair but one of the keys to the success of the evening
was the _very_ apparent close listening going on between the two. Taylor
kept his eyes fixed on Bailey through much of the set, as if taking his
cues from visual aspects of Derek's playing. Bailey, on the other hand,
never once looked up at Taylor during the entire set, but reacted
instantaneously to almost everything Cecil played. Describing the music
is next to impossible; suffice it to say that, while Taylor certianly
utilized many of the motifs he's created over the years, he also
developed (to my ears) new ones, including several that were
surprisingly, if briefly, pretty (even eliciting a self-mocking chuckle
at one point). Bailey, on electric for the first set, ran his usual
awesome gamut, from ethereal rubbings to intense and loud harsh
strummings. One moment stood out from his playing for me: he discovered
an absolutely gorgeous, complex chord--clearly fascinated, he played it
seven or eight times but then, true to his wonderfully cranky and
obstinate form, he discarded it and went on. Both were in stellar form.

After the 30 minute second set, Bailey rose, wandered into the audience,
idly strumming his guitar and said, "Cecil never stops playing." Taylor
hammered a handful of notes, then stopped.

An inspiring show by two of the world's finest creative musicians.

Brian Olewnick

NP: George Russell, Ezz-thetics

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Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 16:01:58 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Art Pepper

[e-mail] writes:
> in the afterword of art's biography, his wife talks very highly
>about his work with george cables. apparently art was also very much
>into that stuff.
if memory serves, cables was one of the few people he had the
opportunity to work with extensively, hence develop a special rapport
with....

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Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 19:30:26 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Taylor/Bailey at Tonic

yeah, I got there at midnight to see Kaffe Matthews, and was pleasantly
suprised to find the second set of Taylor/Bailey just beginning. it was, as
Brian so eloquently described, way better than I'd expected, with both
musicians clearly trying to meld in with the other, and doing so very
successfully.

Ben Watson was there, covering the show for the Wire, and he plans to use
this week as the end of his Bailey biography, which he expects out sometime
in 2001. he preferred the encore to the first set.

one thing I thought was funny was watching the crowd, who had mostly been
there since before 8, stumble out at the end around 12:30, looking like
they'd been pummeled into submission, but pretty happy about it.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 12:57:56 +1000
From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Incus records question

Is everything released on Incus records free improvisation?
Not wanting to start a mailing nightmare, but if anyone has a few
particular favourites on that label, please tell me (preferably with a
reason or two)... Thanks.


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Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 21:51:48 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Art Pepper

[e-mail] writes:
>isn't that one of the great things about this list: somebody writes
>about an album you have, but haven't listen to for ages. you decide you
>feel like listening to it when you get home - and: bliss! ;-)

yeah, it really is.

somebody else recommended highly "the trip." (1976, contemporary
records) i second that emotion. also, groovin right now to "so in love"
(artists house, 1979 -- two groups cables/haden/higgins and hank
jones/ron carter/al foster). brilliant!

i'd like to have the complete galaxy myself! i have just APQ the maiden
voyage session vol 3. not quite as good as the above mentioned, but
pretty darn fine. cables on piano.

also with the cables/haden/higgins group is "artworks." this isn't
quite arousing as the other three i've mentioned, but it does feature
pepper playing clarinet on "anthropology." i much prefer his alto work
myself.

+11 -- if you like the schmaltzy big band stuff, go for it! too much
syrup for my tastes.

i saw pepper once in the late 70s and once in 81. absolutely brilliant
shows. not too many improvisors i've seen that touched me more.

peace!

martin

np. sam rivers, inspiration

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