>On Ebay there is the first Curlew album up for bid. The cover photo is
>nothing like the cover that I have. Mine is a black kind of xray photo
>of a
>bird, with LCDT typeface.
That's the UK version.
>The one on ebay is more cartoon-ish. Anyone know
>which was first, or what the deal was with the 2 issues? Sorry for Xpost.
This is the original Landslide version.
Sonically identical.
Steve F.
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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:46:11 EST
From: Reaboi@aol.com
Subject: hair care products at Tonic
Tonic's a wierd place. they get a lot of different scenes and, often (like on SexMob/Bernestien nights), the crowd is terribly trendy. the first Masada gigs there were full of a great mix of people-- a real crowd that was obsessed with the music. (a guy actually snorted a line of coke next to me, right beore one of the short and 'spastic' type tunes!)
at Tonic, the trend is basically the same as the neighborhood--- trendier and more expensive. this means more hair care products. just check out the trust fund-endowed 20-somethings on sunday brunch at Baby Jupiter's.
however, Tonic is the most consistant place we have for 'our music.' and, when someone like Misha Mengelberg plays solo, you can hear a pin drop in the place....
I'm trying to get rid of my studio 3 blocks west from Tonic. Any takers?
cheers,
dave
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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 08:49:50 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Curlew
On Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:03:16 -0500 "Sean Terwilliger" wrote:
>
> Hey all -
>
> On Ebay there is the first Curlew album up for bid. The cover photo is
> nothing like the cover that I have. Mine is a black kind of xray photo of a
> bird, with LCDT typeface. The one on ebay is more cartoon-ish. Anyone know
> which was first, or what the deal was with the 2 issues? Sorry for Xpost.
Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.
http://im.yahoo.com
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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:05:28 -0500
From: Jason Tors <jtors@organic.com>
Subject: hair care products at Tonic
One reason for the mass hair products, besides the trust funded
neighborhood, is that tonic used to have a hair salon in the front
room [which is now a bookstore].
I just moved out of the area [163 ludlow st] this month and the only
thing I regret is the proximity to tonic. I kind of miss laughing at
the guys in straw cowboy hats on antique bikes, or the lonely nova
usa fabulous sales folks.
I find that the subtonic lounge is even more trendy and super hip
than the upstairs. Tho I love going down there early and getting one
of those great barrels. I think the best one has to be in the far
left corner in the back. It is just a matter of time before tonic
goes through the roof. \
Can it be bad that this music is cool to listen to?
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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:47:14 -0800
From: Greg Mills <gregm@tonic360.com>
Subject: Music Is My Bag
In the latest issue of Harper's, there is a very funny personal
essay about "Music Is My Bag" people (so named because of the supposed
ubiquity of NPR totebags emblazoned with this clumsy pun). These are the
people that think PDQ Bach is a hoot, wear keyboard scarfs and have framed
"Mostly Mozart" posters from the local Mozart festival. The essay is a
pretty exact and merciless exploration of the weird (to me anyway)
subculture of local theater, high school bands and regional orchestras.
There is one detail that the author hit dead on: these people who
steep themselves in the outward trappings of the music connoisseur actually
love bland music. Billy Joel, Phil Collins, Amy Grant and other folks of
that ilk.
How does music scholarship promote conservatism? This maybe a
fundemental question to some of you, but I'm not a musician, so perhaps I'm
naive.
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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 12:59:56 -0500
From: wlt4@mindspring.com
Subject: WFMU Pledge Drive
Hi, Don't remember seeing this mentioned but WFMU is making its annual pledge drive and I think most of us on this list benefit from keeping truly "alternative" radio active. I listen nearly every day over the Internet.
For more info http://www.wfmu.org/Mara/
LT
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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:24:03 EST
From: XRedbirdxx@aol.com
Subject: musicology (hello Jeni)
This weekend I heard Charles Wuorinen, of all people, dub musicology as:
"Words without Song"
NP: Digable Planets - Reachin' (a New Refutation of Time and Space)
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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:46:15 -0500
From: Jason Tors <jtors@organic.com>
Subject: dave douglas sextet
Did anyone catch the DD group at the vanguard?
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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:50:28 EST
From: XRedbirdxx@aol.com
Subject: NP stereolab
<< stereolab mostly on the stereo these days >>
was it them with the "The Seduction of Claude Debussy" album? Perhaps Art of
Noise?
Anyways, any comments on it?
Joseph
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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:56:07 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: NP stereolab
On Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:50:28 EST XRedbirdxx@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> << stereolab mostly on the stereo these days >>
>
> was it them with the "The Seduction of Claude Debussy" album? Perhaps Art of
> Noise?
It was Art of Noise.
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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:26:52 -0800
From: Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com
Subject: Zorn on Zappa
Given recent topics here ... one thing I haven't noticed mentioned was
that in the current Jazz Times interview with Zorn, the saxophonist
talks a bit about his respect for Zappa's, well, political efforts ...
then goes on to say that he doesn't read newspapers or magainzes and
doesn't watch television, that he is not the person to take Zappa's
role but he wishes someone would. He's not real specific about what
this role was/is....
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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:24:16 -0500
From: Dan Hewins <dan@synsolutions.com>
Subject: Re: dave douglas sextet (plus clapping and drummers)
I caught the first set on Friday night. High quality stuff as one
should expect from Dave and band. As I always say after watching
Joey Baron play, He is a joy to watch. I hadn't previously seen
Roseman, Genus, or the new sax player play before and they were
great. Josh Roseman had a good solo in the first few songs that had
him snorting and honking which drew a few laughs from the audience.
One of the highlights for me was the Mary Lou Williams tune, "Aries,"
from the Zodiac suite. I had to look at my copy of Soul On Soul to
realize that it's on there. There was also a M. L. Williams fusion
tune that Dave, Joey, and James played as a trio. Nice little groove
and some really good interplay between Joey and James.
This has caused me to think about a couple things...
One is that sometimes the Jazz protocol of clapping after solos
annoys me. Some people just do it because everyone else is clapping
and they don't even really know why or feel compelled, themselves, to
applaud. It is of particular bother when the transition between,
say, the trumpet and sax solo is in a quiet mood. If the players are
playing quietly an onslaught of applause can really ruin the mood of
the music, for me. Some of the most brilliant improvisations I have
heard have been when one player copies or continues an idea of the
previous soloist, which applause can cover up. One recording that
comes to mind is Joshua Redman's "Wish" which has Pat Metheny on it.
There is a tune at the end of which Joshua and Pat trade fours and
some of the most amazing quoting and playback occurs. On the other
hand, if the music is loud and raucous, applause and cheering can
help enhance the mood.
The second is that I don't often like bass solos or drum solos. Bass
solos often seem like they don't fit in with the mood of most upbeat
tunes. The level of the music has to come way down in order for the
bass to even be heard well enough. Bass solos can work as an intro
or outro often. But that's not really what I wanted to mention.
It's more about the drummers. I think there are very few drummers
who can take a meaningful solo. I think Jowy Baron is one of them.
He can actually convey something (to me) when he solos. Most of the
other drummers sound like they're having a show-off session or a chop
practice. Art Blakey is notorious in my book for having extremely
boring drum solos. The only other drummers that I know of who really
can move me during a drum solo are Jim Black and Max Roach. Any
thoughts on this?
Dan Hewins
At 1:46 PM -0500 3/6/00, Jason Tors wrote:
>Did anyone catch the DD group at the vanguard?
>
>-
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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:55:58 -0800
From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel)
Subject: Re: NP stereolab
At 10:56 AM 3/6/00, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>On Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:50:28 EST XRedbirdxx@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> << stereolab mostly on the stereo these days >>
>>
>> was it them with the "The Seduction of Claude Debussy" album? Perhaps Art of
>> Noise?
>
>It was Art of Noise.
>
>-
And, thought it's pretty far off-topic, I have to admint that this is one
of my favorite records from last year. It's really an audiophile record, an
amazing listen on headphones, and the sense of humor keeps it out of
Enigma/Deep Forest territory. Eric B. rapping about the scent of flowers in
the evening air is priceless.
____________________________________________
Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org
Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic
Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus-
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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 11:52:25 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn on Zappa
On Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:26:52 -0800 Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com wrote:
>
> Given recent topics here ... one thing I haven't noticed mentioned was
> that in the current Jazz Times interview with Zorn, the saxophonist
> talks a bit about his respect for Zappa's, well, political efforts ...
> then goes on to say that he doesn't read newspapers or magainzes and
> doesn't watch television, that he is not the person to take Zappa's
> role but he wishes someone would. He's not real specific about what
> this role was/is....
Which is basically the only refreshing part of the interview...
After reading that interview, I almost felt sorry for the journalists Zorn
has been criticizing. This interview looks more like a transcribing of a
tape, without cutting and editing. The result? Repetition ad nauseum of
something which could have fit on 4-5 sentences ("Big record business is
evil").
Did John really think that a magazine like the NEW YORKER (one of the few
left where writing still means something) could have published such endless
rantings? If this interview in JAZZ TIMES is characteristic of what John
has to say (and I still hope that it might have been a bad day for him), I
understand what kind of dilemma these journalists had to go through when
writing their articles.
Patrice (who never understood what was wrong with the NEW YORKER
interview).
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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:01:36 EST
From: Reaboi@aol.com
Subject: Apartment for Rent
I got such a big response to mentioning that my place is for rent, I might as well post the info to the group. If NYC real estate doesn't interest you, don't bother reading. NO ZORN CONTENT.
LOWER EAST SIDE STUDIO/1BR
I live at 100 Allen, apt 2B. it's really 101 Orchard, but the door is on Allen st. it's a newly-restored tenament (next to the Tenament Museum), and it's pretty much on the corner of Delancey. It's on the second floor, above Congee Village, the best chinese restaurant in the area.
The place is a studio/1 bedroom (about 250 sqft?), perfect for 1 person or a couple. I have it split up kind of differently-- in the bedroom I have my cds, bass, amp, couch and my PC. in the living room there is my stereo, a chair, table and bed. I've had a buddy stay for a few days on my couch and, if he weren't a bass player also (with amp) then it would've been fine. 2 people, 2 amps, 2 basses are just too much for the room....!
but the place is clean and modern, and the bathroom is nice. the landlord tells me the place goes for $1350 now, and brokers have no 1 bedrooms in that area under $1800. just what I heard... everyone that sees the place says it's a unique and 'cute' layout.
I would move ASAP.
and the benefits of living next to Tonic, the Pink Pony, Katz's Deli, etc is obvious to folks on this list...
cheers,
Dave
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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:19:05 -0500
From: Jason Tors <jtors@organic.com>
Subject: Re: dave douglas sextet (plus clapping and drummers)
>I caught the first set on Friday night. High quality stuff as one
>should expect from Dave and band. As I always say after watching
>Joey Baron play, He is a joy to watch. I hadn't previously seen
>Roseman, Genus, or the new sax player play before and they were
>great.
That sax player was Gregg Tardy. I really liked his playing a lot, he
had this great trane tribute solo, quoting a love supreme and
developing into to wild and wooly 60s trane style.
Josh Roseman totally blows me away in this context, he really covers
a lot of ground, what I love about him is that he doesnt adhere to
the adage that faster is better, he plays with such clarity. He plays
a mute/muffle so well, sounded like a ragged old jazz singer fresh
from smoking a pack of reds.
Did you see how locked in joey and james were, they were goofing the
whole time, smiling at each other. All of joey's little tempo changes
and fills james was onto, the man looked like he was in a trance, his
tougue hanging out and eyes rolling back.
Did you see Jeff "Tain" Watts come in late and sit behind james
genus. A buddy of mine was trying to convince me that the soul on
soul group reminds him a lot of wynton marsalis' band in the early
90's with Tain on drums, I wonder if there is a connection.
>Josh Roseman had a good solo in the first few songs that had him
>snorting and honking which drew a few laughs from the audience. One
>of the highlights for me was the Mary Lou Williams tune, "Aries,"
>from the Zodiac suite.
I want to hear the original zodiac suite, that composition was really
dense I can imagine some sections being played in the 30s but I think
DD brought a lot to that song.
The thing that amazes me the most is how different the first set was
from the second set. The feel of the band changed entirely, they were
a lot more loose and ready to blow. The first set was a lot of tunes
and second set was all out jamming, some earth shattering solos by DD
and roseman.
>
>The second is that I don't often like bass solos or drum solos.
>Bass solos often seem like they don't fit in with the mood of most
>upbeat tunes. The level of the music has to come way down in order
>for the bass to even be heard well enough. Bass solos can work as
>an intro or outro often.
I love the bass solos, james had an incredible bass solo on the third
tune!! What other projects has he been involved in? I want to hear
more of him.
> But that's not really what I wanted to mention. It's more about the
>drummers. I think there are very few drummers who can take a
>meaningful solo. I think Jowy Baron is one of them. He can actually
>convey something (to me) when he solos. Most of the other drummers
>sound like they're having a show-off session or a chop practice.
joey is the choppiest player but does it tastefully, he will use a
trick once and that is it. He was so melodic, the solos he takes are
so musical! Did you notice how he would smack the triangle at the end
of almost every tune?
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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:07:45 EST
From: Reaboi@aol.com
Subject: Apartment NOT for Rent
Ok, here is a crazy thing... my landlord just called, telling me he rented the apartment to some guy named Joe. He moves in April 1st. People are getting in line and fighting each other over this place.... the markert is CRAZY. and it was on the market for less than 5 days!
Now I've got to find a loft in Brooklyn-- real quick.
Sorry,
Dave
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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:15:41 EST
From: XRedbirdxx@aol.com
Subject: semaphore
anyone know anything about this ensemble headed by don byron?
is it contemporary classical music?
how large is the group?
anything released?
joseph
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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 15:29:24 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
