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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #876
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Zorn List Digest Friday, March 3 2000 Volume 02 : Number 876
In this issue:
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Re: Girlymusik
Re: we
Re: Chis Speed
kletka red and dog faced hermans question
RE: Trenet , Accordion & Ravel Film
all things considered
mr. mister
Re: all things considered
Re: all things considered
Re: more on "the girl issue"
Re: kletka red and dog faced hermans question
Re: all things considered
Re: all things considered
Re: Re: jazz!
Re: we
RE: The Cure- Bloodflowers/how it happened
Re: The Cure- Bloodflowers
Re: The United States of America (the band)
reccordian-me
re: FA Musique label
Re: all things considered
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Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:59:24 +0200
From: ubaykara@ykb.com
Subject: Re: Girlymusik
I consider myself very lucky about this issue. You should've seen the smile
on my face when my girlfriend(wasn't at the time) told me that she liked
John Zorn during our first date :-)))
BTW, It's good to know that there are other Turkish people (and
surprisingly female) here on this list.
Cheers,
Umit.
Ajda wrote:
>Secretly, (pour moi) I think part of the attraction of being into things
>less common, like the avant-garde, is doubled for females into it, since
we
>are few.
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Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 13:14:43 +0000
From: "Peter Marsh" <marshp@richmond.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: we
bill wrote:
>More recently I've found it refreshing to see "new?" paradigms emerge with
>people like We(tm), who have a new CD pending called "Decentertainment"
>(wonderful title) where the whole question of property and artistic
>positionality become imploded. It's nice to see such self-conscious develop
>in "artists."
i'm interested to know how a cd can implode the question of property and
artistic positionality. do they give it away free and not put their names on
the sleeve ? :-) excuse the flippancy but seriously bill, tell us more (is
the same We who were on asphodel ?)
cheers
peter
- -
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Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 14:40:20 +0100 (CET)
From: Yves Dewulf <yves@inwpent1.rug.ac.be>
Subject: Re: Chis Speed
On 02-Mar-00 Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2 Mar 2000 15:37:05 EST Reaboi@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> [NP: "La Mer," Charles Trenet / Complete Charles Trenet, volume 5.]
> ^^^^^^
>
> The original or the DJ Low remix?
>
> Patrice.
>
A DJ Low remix of "la mer"??
Please, tell me more (which label?...)!
Yves
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Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 10:04:34 EST
From: "margo red" <margo_red@hotmail.com>
Subject: kletka red and dog faced hermans question
I noticed in the post on Kletka Red a while back that the group includes
Andy Moor, formerly of the Dog Faced Hermans. Does anybody know what other
projects he and the other DFH members were involved in after they broke up?
- -Margo Red
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Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 07:27:51 -0800
From: "Benito Vergara" <sunny70@sirius.com>
Subject: RE: Trenet , Accordion & Ravel Film
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Reaboi@aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 1:23 PM
> there was this french film several years back that featured a
> fantastically beautiful actress & a score comprised of Ravel
> chamber pieces (quartet, trio, sonatas, etc). does anyone recall
> the name of that film?
"Le Coeur d'Hiver," maybe?
Later,
Ben
http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara/
ICQ# 12832406
- -
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Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 10:37:52 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: all things considered
well, now that you say 'bj liederman,' i guess i do recognize that name. but
somewhere i had read that joel futterman, who plays with the brilliant new
orleans saxophonist kidd jordan, composed it. is there anyone out there npr
junkie enough to know what, if anything, futterman did for npr? fresh air,
maybe?
kg
- -
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Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 10:43:20 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: mr. mister
>"Improvisations for Cello and Guitar" is by *Mr.* Holland and Bailey.
or by Mr. Holland and Mr. Bailey, therefore the Misters H and B, as i believe
the original poster intended.
but it is a way, perhaps, to have more people involved in free music: last
month's set by mrs. zorn and frith at tonic was fantastic.
listening to jj johnson and keeping up appearances,
kg
- -
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Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 10:45:59 -0500
From: Maurice Rickard <maurice@envirolink.org>
Subject: Re: all things considered
Joel (Something--Forrester?) of the Microscopic Septet did the Fresh
Air theme, as I recall.
At 10:37 AM -0500 3/3/00, kurt_gottschalk@scni.com wrote:
>well, now that you say 'bj liederman,' i guess i do recognize that name. but
>somewhere i had read that joel futterman, who plays with the brilliant new
>orleans saxophonist kidd jordan, composed it. is there anyone out there npr
>junkie enough to know what, if anything, futterman did for npr? fresh air,
>maybe?
Maurice Rickard
http://mauricerickard.com/
- -
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Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 10:55:04 -0500
From: Matthew Moffett <fkmoffet@erols.com>
Subject: Re: all things considered
kurt_gottschalk@scni.com wrote:
> well, now that you say 'bj liederman,' i guess i do recognize that name. but
> somewhere i had read that joel futterman, who plays with the brilliant new
> orleans saxophonist kidd jordan, composed it. is there anyone out there npr
> junkie enough to know what, if anything, futterman did for npr? fresh air,
> maybe?
>
> kg
>
> -
Follow this link and then click on "all music considered" . It lists all the
music recently played in the intros and bumpers, including composers, and gives
mp3s for some of them.
http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/
- -
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Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 08:08:57 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: more on "the girl issue"
On Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:49:32 -0800 (PST) =?iso-8859-1?q?A?= wrote:
>
> Ahhh, Europe....
> I don┤t go to metal shows here in Peru because no international bands
> come here, and the national acts are shitty...anyway, 3 years ago I
> worked at a small record store, and it carried all kinds of metal
> shit (most CD places here don┤t), and every time a girl asked for
> something like Morbid Angel, she would be fat, pimple-faced and
> ugly...and dressed in customary black...and then most of the
> decent-looking girls here only listen to the popular shit like
> alternative rock or salsa or whatever...that┤s why I┤m pretty much
> hopeless when it comes to thinking about finding someone musically
> compatible.
> Lucky bastard
Don't worry, compatibility in taste is almost irrelevant to any
serious relationship (but can be used as a crutch when nothing else
works...), although it is often the reason at the start (same tastes
- -> being both at the same place -> blablabla).
Patrice (who does not want somebody with the same taste).
- -
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Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 08:20:31 -0800 (PST)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: kletka red and dog faced hermans question
On Fri, 3 Mar 2000, margo red wrote:
> I noticed in the post on Kletka Red a while back that the group includes
> Andy Moor, formerly of the Dog Faced Hermans. Does anybody know what other
> projects he and the other DFH members were involved in after they broke up?
the Ex.
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
- -
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Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:39:47 -0800 (PST)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: all things considered
On Fri, 3 Mar 2000 kurt_gottschalk@scni.com wrote:
> well, now that you say 'bj liederman,' i guess i do recognize that name. but
> somewhere i had read that joel futterman, who plays with the brilliant new
> orleans saxophonist kidd jordan, composed it. is there anyone out there npr
> junkie enough to know what, if anything, futterman did for npr? fresh air,
> maybe?
wasn't it phillip johnston?
which brings us full circle since johnton was
a member of the microscopic septet and
has played with zorn.
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
- -
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Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 09:50:15 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: all things considered
On Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:39:47 -0800 (PST) SUGAR in their vitamins? wrote:
>
> On Fri, 3 Mar 2000 kurt_gottschalk@scni.com wrote:
>
> > well, now that you say 'bj liederman,' i guess i do recognize that name. but
> > somewhere i had read that joel futterman, who plays with the brilliant new
> > orleans saxophonist kidd jordan, composed it. is there anyone out there npr
> > junkie enough to know what, if anything, futterman did for npr? fresh air,
> > maybe?
>
> wasn't it phillip johnston?
You might think of Joel Forrester, no?
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 15:17:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Re: jazz!
Both had major label contracts at one time. When the novelty wore off
and the major label affiliation ceased onto the Marsalis Quints (Wynton,
Branford, Jason, Delfayo & Ellis)
Ken Waxman
On Thu, 2 Mar 2000 Velaires@aol.com wrote:
> Then how does one account for the media's rally around David Murray (whose
> play I do not admire at all) or Lester Bowie (whose playing I love)?
>
> This is partially a devil's advocate question.
>
> skip h
>
- -
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Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 21:06:49 GMT
From: "Bill Ashline" <bashline@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: we
>bill wrote:
>
> >More recently I've found it refreshing to see "new?" paradigms emerge
>with
> >people like We(tm), who have a new CD pending called "Decentertainment"
> >(wonderful title) where the whole question of property and artistic
> >positionality become imploded. It's nice to see such self-conscious
>develop
> >in "artists."
>
Peter wrote:
>i'm interested to know how a cd can implode the question of property and
>artistic positionality. do they give it away free and not put their names
>on
>the sleeve ? :-) excuse the flippancy but seriously bill, tell us more (is
>the same We who were on asphodel ?)
Good to hear from you again Peter. I should have placed a comma above after
"wonderful title" so as not to confuse the source of conceptual action as
coming from the group rather than the CD. It is indeed the same group that
used to be with Asphodel who is now constructing performances in geographic
spaces (note: Electroluxe 3/15 NYC) where the group is not central but
working in the periphery and often outside the view of the attendees. Or
where the audience becomes directly involved in the selection of moves in
game pieces (DJ Olive's Composition 11). The point isn't that the "artists"
aren't "getting paid" (they are) or aren't selling but rather giving away
CDs. The point has to do with the centrality of the artist and on the
conceptual level, the "ownership" of the "work of art" (there are numerous
problems on the pragmatic level, not least of which is capital and the
distribution of merchandise, etc.) Perhaps I am wrong, but I always took
the "tm" in their name to be a kind of joke, since a name like We could
never be trademarked as such, dominant first person plural pronoun as it is.
Obviously, neither We(tm) nor any other musical artist can escape capital
process, but they can, if they wish, "conceptually" escape artistic
centrality, the property of the musical composition in the age of sampling
and appropriation, and the residual avantgardism found in people like Zorn
etc. I say this as a person who loves avant-garde music but hates all the
attending signifiers which attempt to position the music outside politics,
economics or "responsibility" or which uncritically privilege art and the
artist all over again. For a comparable but far more political move in art
rather than music, look at the work of Hans Haacke.
The electroluxe link is below:
http://www.metal-tiger.com/electroluxe.html
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Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 17:57:30 -0500
From: "Jeni Dahmus" <jdahmus@juilliard.edu>
Subject: RE: The Cure- Bloodflowers/how it happened
> SUGAR in their vitamins? wrote:
> as a longtime cure fan, it was disappointing.
> but certainly far better than their previous effort.
As another longtime Cure fan, I agree with the statement above. The album
has some beautiful moments (tracks 2,4,8,& 9 come to mind) and some less
interesting lyric-centered songs. The new issue of Pulse!, Tower Records'
monthly magazine, includes a cover story entitled "Killing the Cure: Robert
Smith Delivers His Finest Eulogy," and other features about Matthew Shipp,
Yo La Tengo, and John Adams.
Since Margo asked about classically-trained people on the list, I'll
describe my background briefly. I started out studying classical music,
then in high school I studied jazz simultaneously. Meanwhile I was into
metal, punk, blues, and popular artists such as Blondie and Prince. As a
college undergrad I abandoned everything to focus on classical. After
exposure to pieces like Schoenberg's Pierrot Lunaire and Beethoven's Grosse
Fuge in my first music history course, I was permanently changed: a
musicology geek was born. The Kronos Quartet introduced me to Zorn's music.
Since then I've been exploring all things avant while continuing to enjoy
other styles.
Jeni
- -
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Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 15:24:34 -0800 (PST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?A?= <Enfermo@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: The Cure- Bloodflowers
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 00:54:54 -0800 (PST)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
i found myself agreeing with aquarius' review.
as a longtime cure fan, it was disappointing.
but certainly far better than their previous effort.
hasta.
- ---------
Please...anything could be better than the last Cure album...I┤ve
heard most of the new album, and I expected better. But it┤s pretty
good still, just not the great recording I expected
A
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Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 15:49:07 PST
From: "mr jason p berry" <numberfortytwo@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: The United States of America (the band)
> >Anyone know anything about this band (circa '68)?
>
>The one with Joseph Byrd? I remember this album, one of the few which a)
>was really out there for the late 1960s, and b) hasn't been reissued on CD.
>
this album does exist on 2 different cd reissues, the 2nd of which has a few
bonus tracks from byrd's 'field hippies' album. awesome, incredible, much
like 50 foot hose meets the first velvets' album. there's a great book
called 'unknown legends of rock & roll' that has a pretty in-depth bit on
this group.
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Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:08:21 -0800
From: Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com
Subject: reccordian-me
Complete album names please? And a label for the former, an artist for
the latter, since I'll be ordering these? Merci! P.S. Anyone know where
I can get a set of the R. Crumb accordianist trading cards? (I am not
making this up.) Merci! Merci! i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i
>speaking of French pop music from th 40s (which I really love), there's
>a 2cd set of accordion music from that era that is just incredible. I
>suggest it to anyone starting out in accordion music. I stay away from
>compilations, but most of what's on here isn't on cd or long out of
>print.... Also I love the Erik Satie disc on W&W, featuring piano
>transcriptons for accordion. that is really a treat, because it covers
>stuff from the oft-neglected later period.
- -
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Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 21:20:13 EST
From: Reaboi@aol.com
Subject: re: FA Musique label
ok, here is the info on that collection of French accordion music... I
would've included all the info before, but I was at work and I couldn't
recall the name of the label.
36 SUCCES DE L'ACCORDEON MUSETTE. the label is FA Musique, from France. that
is my favorite reissue label. they do another collection called DE 'AMOUR FOU
AU FOL AMOR. that's a collection of Frenc vocal pop, from 1907 to 1947.
that's amazing as well. all the melodies are beautiful. both sets are
frequently played at my place.
the FA MUSIQUE label does a charles trenet 10 cd set, a django reinhadt 24 cd
set (these are split up, 2cds at a time), and a perfect collection of all the
Billie Holiday-Lester Young sides. of that, there is a 3cd version
(masters&outtakes), 2cd version (masters) and a single disc of the "greatest
hits" (kind of useless, as hits collections are). I have the 2cd set; totally
essential stuff.... take that set & the commidore recordings & the "Solitude"
album on Verve, and it's all the Lady Day you may need (certainly the best of
her records, IMO).
FA Musique has a collection of eary 40s Fado music from Portuagal... I'm sure
it's great. All I have of fado is a 2cd Amalia Rodregues on Blue Moon that's
terrific. However, the Irene de Trebert 2cd set on FA Musique is not all that
good (french vocals, sub-par 1940s jazz big band).
you can get all this stuff at Tower or Virgin or Borders. Bruce at DMG said
he'd never heard of the label, and that says a lot. they're priced at about
$31-33 per set.
I really wish they had more stuff out; they're a really great label....
BY THE WAY, does anyone know where I can find the original recording of the
tune sampled in the original version of Song for Che? PatRice?
Cheers,
Dave
- -
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Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 00:04:07 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: all things considered
Patrice is quite correct, as usual. Joel *Forrester* is the former Microscopic
Septet member who wrote the theme music for NPR's "Fresh Air." He has numerous
recordings available with his delightful band People Like Us (not to be confused
with the other People Like Us that The Wire has written about recently) on Koch
Jazz, as well as a solo piano set that was recorded live at the radio station where
"Fresh Air" is produced. Phillip Johnston also has a recent release on Koch, and
I'm pretty sure they've reissued a Microscopic Septet disc and some even earlier
material by the abovementioned.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - nada
Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:39:47 -0800 (PST) SUGAR in their vitamins? wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 3 Mar 2000 kurt_gottschalk@scni.com wrote:
> >
> > > well, now that you say 'bj liederman,' i guess i do recognize that name. but
> > > somewhere i had read that joel futterman, who plays with the brilliant new
> > > orleans saxophonist kidd jordan, composed it. is there anyone out there npr
> > > junkie enough to know what, if anything, futterman did for npr? fresh air,
> > > maybe?
> >
> > wasn't it phillip johnston?
>
> You might think of Joel Forrester, no?
>
> Patrice.
>
> -
- -
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