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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #875
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Zorn List Digest Friday, March 3 2000 Volume 02 : Number 875
In this issue:
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Re: more on "the girl issue"
Re: NPR's All Things Considered
Re: Kowald
Re: NPR's All Things Considered
John Zorn at Columbia University
Re: NPR's All Things Considered
Girlymusik
Girlymusik + politics
Sex Mob in Chicago
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?PROMO:=20Kevin=20Drumm/Martin=20T=E9treault-Parti?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?cles=20and=20Smears=7F?=
Re: The Cure- Bloodflowers
Re: Girlymusik
Re: Bailey/Holland and Cioran
Re: Girlymusik
john wall and madonna
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:49:32 -0800 (PST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?A?= <Enfermo@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: more on "the girl issue"
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 14:58:19 +0100
From: patRice <gda@datacomm.ch>
*it is amazing actually, how many girls you run into at death metal
(and
*all other forms of metal) gigs over here in europe. (though i can
only
*talk about austria and switzerland.)
*and most of them not even dressed like your average "metal chick".
*mainly all very well dressed, even in designer stuff!
*that really still amazes me; and i think it's great!
patRice
- --------------
Ahhh, Europe....
I don┤t go to metal shows here in Peru because no international bands
come here, and the national acts are shitty...anyway, 3 years ago I
worked at a small record store, and it carried all kinds of metal
shit (most CD places here don┤t), and every time a girl asked for
something like Morbid Angel, she would be fat, pimple-faced and
ugly...and dressed in customary black...and then most of the
decent-looking girls here only listen to the popular shit like
alternative rock or salsa or whatever...that┤s why I┤m pretty much
hopeless when it comes to thinking about finding someone musically
compatible.
Lucky bastard
A
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:08:36 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: NPR's All Things Considered
The theme music is supposedly by one B J Liederman (spelling unknown),
of whom I've heard nothing other than his (?) consistently enjoyable NPR
music. Does anyone know of any other releases?
On Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 08:19:18PM -0500, Fritz Senn wrote:
> Hello, sorry for the off-topic nature of this post, but I need to know if
> there is some song from Dexter Gordon's "Go" that is used as the opening
> music to National Public Radio's "All Things Considered" (?). I guess its
> opening melody is heard (by some) as the same as the main phrase in the
> title track of "Go." Is this correct? If not, where is the opening melody
> from? Thanks.
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|> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <|
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 22:24:51 -0500
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Subject: Re: Kowald
At 05:01 PM 3/2/00 -0600, Tom Benton wrote:
>
>Though anyone who followed the link to his web page probably already saw
>this, I feel like it's worth pointing out that if you live in the states,
>chances are Peter Kowald will be in or near your town in the next three
>months. His travel schedule can be found at <www.kowald.de/us2000.html>.
>Definitely not a performance to miss.
Anyone by any chance know where Kowald will be playing in Columbus, Ohio?
This site lists him there on March 25.
- --
Caleb Deupree
cdeupree@erinet.com
It is pretty obvious that the debasement of the human mind caused by a
constant flow of fraudulent advertising is no trivial thing. There is more
than one way to conquer a country.
- -- Raymond Chandler
- -
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:04:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Maurice Rickard <maurice@envirolink.org>
Subject: Re: NPR's All Things Considered
Since I've been too busy to delurk for the "How'd it happen" thread (I've
wanted to, though), I'll at least contribute to this one. Just about
anything you'd want to know is at (yep) http://www.bjleiderman.com/ where
he's got information about his new CD, _Life at the Bottom of the Dial_.
HTH,
Maurice Rickard | "Multimedia will never go anywhere
Designer | until the amateurs take over."
http://www.envirolink.org/maurice | --David Thomas
On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Joseph Zitt wrote:
> The theme music is supposedly by one B J Liederman (spelling unknown),
> of whom I've heard nothing other than his (?) consistently enjoyable NPR
> music. Does anyone know of any other releases?
>
- -
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 23:25:58 -0500
From: Matthew Wosnitzer <msw21@columbia.edu>
Subject: John Zorn at Columbia University
Just writing the list to let those in NY know that John Zorn will be presen=
t
according to www.columbia.edu website:
Thursday, March 9, 8 PM
7 PM preconcert discussion with John Zorn
John Zorn (b. 1953) and
Paul Schoenfield
"Perhaps New York's most-respected all-around musician, John Zorn joins us
at Miller to hear performances of three new works drawn from the spirit of
French Absurdism, paired with music by Paul Schoenfield, another major
American composer."
Schoenfield: Piano Trio * Three Country Fiddle Tunes * Three British
Folksongs
Zorn: Amour Fou * Le M=F4mo * Untitled [for Joseph Cornell]
Ahn Trio
Jennifer Choi, violin
Eric Friedlander, cello
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:56:25 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: NPR's All Things Considered
On Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 11:04:35PM -0500, Maurice Rickard wrote:
> Since I've been too busy to delurk for the "How'd it happen" thread (I've
> wanted to, though), I'll at least contribute to this one. Just about
> anything you'd want to know is at (yep) http://www.bjleiderman.com/ where
> he's got information about his new CD, _Life at the Bottom of the Dial_.
Thanks! I just went to the site and sent him a fan letter. He might get
more of those if he got the NPR hosts to s-p-e-l-l o-u-t his name once
in a while. (It also drives me nuts, and is more of a problem, when they
don't spell out URLs. While I'm unlikely to hit the site, I still
wonder idly on long drives how they expect people to ever find
www.s'dex'lmariot.com or whatever that is...
- --
|> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <|
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 23:48:46 EST
From: "ajda snyder" <freequeen@hotmail.com>
Subject: Girlymusik
Wow. I'm really enjoying all the posts on the "why aren't more girls
interested in avant music" thread. It is very comforting to see that my
fellow Zornlisters are so open-minded.
It's also nice to hear so many more females speaking out on the list. I had
kind of wondered if there were many others...and it's even cooler to hear
gay people talking about being on the list.
That comment about fat, "ugly", pimply-faced, black-wearing girls who like
metal made perfect sense. After all, those girls are definitely solitary.
Sadly. So no wonder they like the more out of the mainstream shit.
Secretly, (pour moi) I think part of the attraction of being into things
less common, like the avant-garde, is doubled for females into it, since we
are few. I know you other folks know what I mean - how nice it feels to
have something rather unknown and unexploited, and feel like it's yr own...
Forgive me if I self-confess.
Ajda, the Turkish Queen
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Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 05:57:04 GMT
From: "Scott Handley" <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: Girlymusik + politics
It's interesting to me that, perhaps, women are sometimes unfairly expected
to "represent" something...say, feminism. Or Women At Large. Or that
Empowerment (whatever that is) needs to even be an issue. This is about as
bad, IMO, as commenting that a female musician "plays like a man", which
might be a little more clearly offensive to many of us. In terms of unfair
expectations, this might be likened, inversely, to the experience of the
list member who said she entered a (male) friend's room and was asked if the
Fantomas should be "turned down". If I remember correctly, she speculated
that there might possibly be the compulsive assumption that she was
incapable of enjoying extreme music. (I don't think she emphasized gender
quite that heavily, though.) In Graham Locke's FORCES IN MOTION, a fine
book on the music of Anthony Braxton, Locke is persistently baffled by
marilyn Crispell's ambivalence to feminism, or to politics in general.
Gerry Hemingway intervenes, "justifying" feminism-at-large (huh?) in,
really, pretty reasonable, generous language. Locke frets and wrings hands.
(He seems to be on the threshhold of apoplexy when Brax eats fast food and
dreams of opening a Brax Burger chain.) Crispell remains wary of
condemnation of "the patriarchy", and doesn't mind at all having her playing
referred to as "masterly", which bothers Lock. The point of interest to me,
here, is not the specific politics at hand, but the fact that Lock and, to a
lesser extent, Hemingway, seem to take a rather---irony of
ironies---"paternal" stance towards Crispell's choice to be somehwat
apolitical. It is characteristic of the full circle: a new, leftist,
pedastaling of woman, the insistent offering of Enlightenment, Rationality,
and ...urp...Common Sense.
- -----s, sorry, I will edit next time.
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Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 00:21:21 -0600
From: King Wilson <kingwil@enteract.com>
Subject: Sex Mob in Chicago
Next thursday at the Empty Bottle. 7pm (early show)
Anyone want to post a review or two of a recent show? I'd like to
know what it's like.....
read icculus
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 11:36:19 EST
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- -
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Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 00:54:54 -0800 (PST)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: The Cure- Bloodflowers
On Wed, 2 Mar 1994, Diego Gruber wrote:
> I've seen many ppl mention this record already as something they're
> listening to, but still no comments. So, [insert obvious question here].
i found myself agreeing with aquarius' review.
as a longtime cure fan, it was disappointing.
but certainly far better than their previous effort.
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
- -
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Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 09:36:45 GMT
From: "Bill Ashline" <bashline@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Girlymusik
Adja wrote:
>Wow. I'm really enjoying all the posts on the "why aren't more girls
>interested in avant music" thread.
I'm on a lot of lists and I've also wondered why men tend to dominate the
discussions so much. And since I'm a teacher I think it has something to do
with the degree of privileges afforded men, privileges we all-too-often
unconsciously bask in. Women are also not encouraged to be confident in
engaging in such discussions in the education system. I've also noticed a
tendency toward discursive differences as well--men often argue (I'm no
exception I'm afraid on this score), while women look for areas of agreement
and attempt to deflect or disarm conflict.
>Secretly, (pour moi) I think part of the attraction of being into things
>less common, like the avant-garde, is doubled for females into it, since we
>are few.
Perhaps for those women who are not inclined toward the "avant-garde" as it
were, it has something to do with healthy suspicion toward old tropes of
masculinist idolatry, like the "artist as seer" or the dictum of "newness"
which becomes a kind of drug for "avant" heads as well as a mode of
evaluation: "I found nothing new in this piece that wasn't already done by
so-and-so etc." The avant-garde has historically hooked up with
masculinist/modernist impulses that often afflict people like Zorn as well,
who has a powerful modernist/avantist superego to go with his more
"anti-aesthetic," e.g. "metal" etc. sensibilities. Sometimes all this rant
about victimized and isolated avantism gets a bit tedious and dishonest,
perhaps most obviously when it hooks up with capital process to ensure IPR
protection, morally and pragmatically. (And who really wants any of our
beloved avant cats to go out of business?) (And when is an artist ever so
"original" as to deserve a patent on their production no matter the edicts
of the "new"). I don't know but perhaps a lot of women pick up on all this
and are simply unable or don't want to be bothered with articulating it.
More recently I've found it refreshing to see "new?" paradigms emerge with
people like We(tm), who have a new CD pending called "Decentertainment"
(wonderful title) where the whole question of property and artistic
positionality become imploded. It's nice to see such self-conscious develop
in "artists."
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Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 10:50:14 +0100 (MET)
From: Steve Berman <steve@IMS.Uni-Stuttgart.DE>
Subject: Re: Bailey/Holland and Cioran
>>>>> "Mathieu" == Mathieu B=E9langer <ISO-8859-1> writes:
Mathieu> Hello, I recently found "Improvisations for Cello and
Mathieu> Guitar" by Mrs. Holland and Bailey. It is the vinyl
Mathieu> edition on ECM. I noticed that the first track is called
Mathieu> Improvisation Piece III which suggests that there was an
Mathieu> Improvisation Piece I and II... Was there a sort of first
Mathieu> volume to this ? Or was it reissued on cd with the five
Mathieu> (or maybe more) pieces ?
Actually, "Improvisations for Cello and Guitar" is by *Mr.* Holland
and Bailey. But I've heard that Dave Holland's mother did make a
recording of Improvisation Pieces I and II with Mr. Bailey, which was
very briefly available in the Incus Taps series. Neither recording has
been reissued on CD AFAIK.
- --Steve Berman
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Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 07:31:44 -0500
From: Matt Teichman <mft4@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Girlymusik
I'm suprised with all this talk of women and the avant-garde that nobody
has mentioned Maya Deren, the leader of the American avant-garde in film in
the 1940s. She sort of rejuvenated it after a ten-year or so hiatus.
Anyway, just my 2=A2...
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Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:35:05 +0000
From: Simon Hopkins <simon@state51.co.uk>
Subject: john wall and madonna
>In a message dated 3/1/00 12:30:49 PM, stefan.annik@planetinternet.be writes:
>
><< Just would like to put a certain musician in the spotlight:
John is a genuinely brilliant composer (and while he's a good friend, I
don't *think* that's clouded my judgement, not least since I knew John's
work before I knew him). Anyway, I've written quite a bit about John on the
motion site; check out some of these links - many are soundfile accompanied:
http://motion.state51.co.uk/reviews/481.html
http://motion.state51.co.uk/features/wall/index.html
http://motion.state51.co.uk/features/wall/extend/alterstill.html
http://motion.state51.co.uk/features/wall/extend/fractuur.html
And... what was this all about:
"I mean, just think of this - what's the female equivalent of the Beatles??
Madonna, maybe. But she is more of a highly sexualized farce."
Not sure I get the Madonna/Fab Four comparison in the first place, but this
flippant, un-thinking, throwaway gibe about one of the most consistently
interesting figures in pop music (and pop culture generally) is out of
place on this generally considered/ing list.
Simon
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