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Zorn List Digest      Thursday, February 24 2000      Volume 02 : Number 860



In this issue:
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       Re: it's oh so quiet!? (mingus / parker / books)
       Re: Mingus & Books
       Mingus & Books
       Re: denio [plus Mastica]
       RE: So. How'd it happen?
       RE: it's oh so quiet!? (mingus / parker / books)
       RE: So. How'd it happen?
       PROMO: Lehn/Hemingway US tour
       Re: otomo and gustafsson cds?
       RE: mingus/denio
       Re: The complete Masada Songbook
       Re: So. How'd it happen?
       Re: denio

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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:13:14 -0800
From: "s~Z" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: it's oh so quiet!? (mingus / parker / books)

>>just finished this one book by Denis Johnson called Jesus' Son. <<

I'm a fifth of the way into his ALREADY DEAD. Diggin' it as much as Jesus'
Son. Great follow up to BEAUTIFUL LOSERS which I just read...by Leonard
Cohen. Both highly recommended.


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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 23:32:29 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Mingus & Books

Marcin Gokieli wrote:

> Altghough somebody mentioned the "weird nightmare" - the Hal Wilner tribute
> to mingus - I think it deserves more attention: it's an exceptional album.
> [snip] You'll find a lot of good freinds onit - Bill
> Frisell, Joey Baron,  Vernon reid, Don Byron ... also (if memory serves)
> Keith Richards...

... who plays with Charlie Watts, actually.

Joey Baron's not on 'Weird Nightmare,' trombonist Art Baron is.  Henry
Threadgill, Bobby Previte, Greg Cohen and Robert Quine provide more Zornlist
linkage.  And the disc also includes Robbie Robertson, Ray Davies, Elvis
Costello (who also reprised "Weird Nightmare" on his duet disc with Bill
Frisell, 'Deep Dead Blue'), Chuck D., Henry Rollins, Leonard Cohen & Diamanda
Galas (on the same track!), and the previously mentioned Doctor John.  It's
quite possibly the most freakishly diverse of Willner's "tribute" discs.  It's
real cheap at Amazon.com right now.

Also, truly regarding Mingus *and* books, Gene Santoro's "definitive" Mingus bio
"Myself When I Am Real" is due out in June from Oxford Press.  He's been working
on it for the last few years and he's gotten access where few have gone before.
It won't *replace* "Beneath the Underdog" but it will become an essential
companion piece, I imagine, and will further illuminate the quasi-fictitious
autobiography...

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
(currently engrossed in the Lonely Planet Guide to Turkey, but who read one and
a half Kinky Friedman mystery novels last Sunday, and whose Mingus
recommendations start with the Candid recordings currently being reissued by
Artists Only Records and 'Mingus at Antibes'...)


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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 22:15:07 -0700
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A2hris=20=A7undberg?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: Mingus & Books

Scott Handley wrote:

<Mingusmingusmingusmingus (Impulse!) - fine medium-sized ensemble work
with lots of kitsch and some beautiful Charles Mariano (??) alto
spotlights.  Just some of the best Ming ever.  Sho hip.

LIVE AT ANTIBES '60  (Atlantic) - Pretty sick live date without piano
(Bud Powell---!---guests on a track, though); Eric Dolphy is
nuts-beautiful, plus Booker Ervin, Ted Curson, and amazing Dannie
Richmond.  Stellar, and perhaps insane.

I also have deep,fond memories of BLACK SAINT AND SINNER LADY, which is
the  strange dark poem of this man;many of my less "jazzed" friends ain't
into
it, however. >
(snip)

I recommend all of these, and one that I find particularly good, sound
quality and playing is a fairly unknown one entitled "Revenge"  It's the
legal version of all of the bootlegs of the Paris '64 tour.  Sue Mingus put
it out.  The only qualm I have with it is that Johnny Coles got sick and
couldn't play, and so a lot of it sounds kind of incomplete.  Dolphy goes
nuts though, has some great bass clarinet work.  It's a 2 disc, but well
worth the money.

As for books, I'd suggest Arcana (which I just got the other day), On the
Road by JAck Kerouac, Naked Lunch by William S Burroughs, anything by Allen
Ginsberg (yes, I'm on a beat kick) or something by James Joyce, Finnegan's
Wake is very nice, if you can read it.

<out>
  me


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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 00:25:09 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: denio [plus Mastica]

[e-mail] wrote:

> as for the amy denio disc on kfw, i really like it alot. diverse, homespun, odd,
> multitracked songs and sounds. very cool record. i don't know a lot about her.
> she was in billy tipton mem sax 4, and i come across her name on occaision
> (recent project with frith, i believe), but i've never found anything else that
> helps me make sense of this eccentric, wonderful record. you won't play it every
> week, but you'll be happy when you do. make the trade.

I agree re: 'Birthing Chair Blues.'  It's strange and beautiful.  Any is someone to
know and love.  But I cherish even more my memories of two discs I used to own by a
band called Tone Dogs, who were (by the time I heard them - as always, there were
*earlier* members) Amy, bassist Fred Chalenor (pre-Caveman Shoestore and Zony Mash)
and drummer Matt Cameron (pre-Soundgarden and Pearl Jam).

These discs, 'Ankety Low Day' (on the C/Z label) and 'The Early Middle Years' (on
Soleilmoon) were remarkable examples of prog-pop - that is to say, adventurous music
that still cared to carry a tune most of the time.  Although she's more than cool on
her own, here Amy was backed by two musicians who could really add to and interact
with what she had to say and play: a wacky and virtuosic bassist and a drummer who
could play anything thrown at him by the more imaginative two-thirds.  (Believe me,
Matt Cameron *is* an exceptional musician whose more recent work I tend to view in
the same light as Phil Collins preferring to play with latter day Genesis instead of
Brand X or Eno.)

I dearly wish I still had these discs, but I loaned my copies to a onetime Knitting
Factory Works recording artist who shall remain nameless (not Amy, obviously), and
apparently she liked them so much she never gave them back.  Hrrruumpphhh.

Still, it makes me happy to see that there's now an Amy Denio 'Greatest Hits' album
available, which contains stuff from Tone Dogs (including the sublime "When George
Bush Ran the CIA"), EC Nudes, Curlew, the Billy Tipton Memorial Saxophone Quartet,
'Birthing Chair Blues' and much more.  I don't own this (but will, soon), but I know
most of the material on it and can thus recommend it to anyone still reading after
all I stated above.  Check it out at
http://www.amz.com/labels/UnitCircle/releases/tUC060.html

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - nada, just back from a concert by Buena Vista Social Clubster Eliades Ochoa...

BTW if you're still reading, there's a new band in Austin, TX that reminds me quite
a lot of Tone Dogs.  Mastica is a trio that includes current King Crimson drummer
Pat Mastellotto and two musicians from Austin who are completely new to me.  Based
on my slavish King Crimson fandom I downloaded the MP3s from http://www.mastica.net/
and found the group to be something like Tone Dogs meet Morphine.  They've got an
album out now or soon, but check it out for free while you can...


- -

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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 21:47:58 -0800
From: "Benito Vergara" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: So. How'd it happen?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Greg Mills
> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 4:52 PM

> I'm curious about where you all began your exploration of  "New" and/or
> difficult music.

One album: the Elektra/Nonesuch 1987 compilation "Late in the 20th Century."
I honestly can't remember why, or how, I bought it. In any case, it was my
first exposure to "new music" of any kind -- the Kronos Quartet, Hamiet
Bluiett, John Adams, Le Mystere des Voix Bulgares, Glass, Varese, Reich,
were all completely new names to me. And Zorn, of course. Now that I think
about it, I didn't really know Miles or Coltrane either. In that respect
that album was such a radical break from *all* the music that I was
listening to at the time.

Since then I still keep coming back to that comp album and I am always
pleasantly surprised at how refreshing it still sounds. Sometimes it took a
little longer for certain tracks to sink in; for instance, I didn't really
listen much to the excerpt from Reich's "Drumming" because it was at the end
of the CD. I'm grateful I finally did. Kronos Quartet I gobbled up
immediately. Zorn... well, I'm embarrassed to admit that I bought "Naked
City" (my first) and almost sold it back (!) Ahh, but I was young then...

I still can't stand that Scott Johnson track, though... =)

Later,
Ben

np: esquivel!, "space-age bachelor pad music"

http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara/
ICQ# 12832406


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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 21:47:50 -0800
From: "Benito Vergara" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: it's oh so quiet!? (mingus / parker / books)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of patRice
> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 11:01 AM

> essential charles mingus recordings?

It's been said before, but I'll say it again: "Mingus at Antibes" and "The
Black Saint and the Sinner Lady." The latter album has been described by a
critic or two as being sub-Ellington, but it is music on a lushly romantic,
impassioned, truly grand scale. I'm at a loss of words to describe it. (His
shrink couldn't really describe it either.)

The first time I heard Mingus -- or rather, the first time I even heard of
Mingus -- was one afternoon in Ithaca, NY when the local radio station
played a live version of "Better Git Hit In Your Soul" from the former
album. I got hit. (Unfortunately the album was I think out of print at that
point...)

Later,
Ben

http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara/
ICQ# 12832406


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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 00:58:26 -0500
From: Dwight Haden <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: So. How'd it happen?

>> I'm curious about where you all began your exploration of  "New" and/or
>> difficult music.

While not always difficult, I've always listened to non-pop, unbroadcast
music.  In the late 60's, my older brother introduced me to psychedelic /
early hard rock bands such as King Crimson, Deep Purple.  In the 70's this
evolved into a taste for "progressive" rock - Gentle Giant, ELP, more King
Crimson.  All this was violently cast off by the energy, humor, and raw power
of what was then called punk / new wave in late 79.  Early favorites here
were Sex Pistols, Clash, Talking Heads.  As the major labels dropped
and/or compromised this music in the early 80's, I switched my attentions to
import and independent labels for the most part... Factory, Ace of Hearts,
SST, Mute, hundreds of others.  Got me through the Reagan years.

Thanks to Zorn and the eponymous Naked City, my love of thrash music
mutated into an appreciation of all styles represented on all of the Naked
City discs.  Laswell/Material/Massacre back in 82 was where I first crossed
the line toward jazz, hmmm, unless you count Herbie Hancock's Head-
hunters.  D.S. Ware and Matt Shipp in the 90's showed me how brilliant a
classic reed/piano/bass/drum line-up could be.

After all this, I find that I can listen to almost anything, and appreciate it in
some way.  Even my daughter's Britney Spears CD, or my son's Smash-
mouth.

And I play anything in my collection in their presence, and always have.  The
only exception - Nick Cave's Murder Ballads.  That's just a bit too much.

Come to think of it, I don't guess they'll be hearing "Bible Launcher" any time
soon either.  Thankfully, most of what I play these days is instrumental.

Re-lurking,
Dwight Haden

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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 01:26:11 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: PROMO: Lehn/Hemingway US tour

sorry for the promotional intrusion, but here are the dates (along with some
venues) for the much awaited (well, much awaited by me, at least) Thomas
Lehn/Gerry Hemingway US tour. if anyone between Chicago and Bard wants to
book the duo for March 9, e-mail Gerry at [e-mail]. the NYC
3/11 date is also a record release party, sponsored by Phill Niblock and
Experimental Intermedia, along with Erstwhile Records.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
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Thomas Lehn & Gerry Hemingway
March 1st-11th, 2000, USA
March 1-Washington, DC
March 2-Go! Studios, Carrboro, NC
March 3-The Wherehouse, Winston-Salem, NC
March 4-Vincent's Ear, Asheville, NC
March 5-Eyedrum, 253 Trinity Avenue between Spring and Forsyth, Atlanta, GA.
March 6-Chattanooga, TN.
March 7-Nashville, TN
March 8- Chicago
March 9- open
March 10-Bard College, NY.
March 11-Experimental Intermedia Foundation, NYC

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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 22:58:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: otomo and gustafsson cds?

- --- [e-mail] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 2/23/00 7:01:45 PM,
> [e-mail] writes:
>
> << Also, the most recent Cadence mentions a cd on
> ChapChap by Kang Tae Hwan
> (alto) which also includes Otomo and Ned Rothenberg.
>  Anyone have
> additional info on this item? >>
>
> from Patrice's discography
>
(www.wnur.org/jazz/artists/yoshihide.otomo/discog.html):
>
> ------------------------------------------
> 048 - KANG TAE HWAN: Kang Tae Hwan
>
>   Solo and duos with Ned Rothenberg and Otomo
> Yoshihide.
>
>     1/ Solo I
> (Kang Tae Hwan)         14:01
>     2/ Duo I
> (Kang, Rothenberg)       8:03
>     3/ Duo II
> (Kang, Yoshihide)       15:11
>     4/ Solo II
> (Kang Tae Hwan)         14:11
>     5/ Trio
> (KTH, NR, OY)           19:22
>
>     (1,2,4) recorded at cafe Amores (Hofu) on
> September 1, 1994
>     (3,5) recorded at Pepperland (Okayama) on August
> 30, 1994
>
>   Kang Tae Hwan: alto; Ned Rothenberg: alto, bass
> clarinet; Otomo Yoshihide:
>   turntables.
>
>     1995 - Chap Chap (Japan), CPCD-001 (CD)
>
>   Note: this CD also features liner notes by Ned
> Rothenberg.
> ------------------------------------------
>
> I haven't played my copy in a couple of years, but I
> recall liking it a lot, especially the Otomo tracks.

Actually, Jon, you played it for me this summer... It
sounded great, though - definitely the best stuff I've
heard from Kang Hae Twan. I'll recommend it as well.

                   -tP
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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 01:11:15 -0800
From: "Dave Egan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: mingus/denio

Since it's been mentioned,  The Billy Tipton Memorial Saxophone Quartet has
re-formed, but unfortunately without Amy.  I caught them last weekend.  They
sounded great in spite of Amy's absence.  They had a lot of new tunes, many
of them contributed by Jessica Lurie.  I'd heard a lot of those tunes played
previously by Jessica's other band, Living Daylights.  BTMSQ is going on a
tour of Europe next month.  They mentioned a stop in Warsaw - I'd recommend
our Polish readers go check them out.  They have a new CD coming out soon as
well.

BTMSQ was opening for Kultur Shock, a band that Amy IS in.  Unfortunately
they weren't really my cup of tea - sort of a balkan rock band.  I left
early.

- - Dave

> as for the amy denio disc on kfw, i really like it alot. diverse,
> homespun, odd,
> multitracked songs and sounds. very cool record. i don't know a
> lot about her.
> she was in billy tipton mem sax 4, and i come across her name on occaision
> (recent project with frith, i believe), but i've never found
> anything else that
> helps me make sense of this eccentric, wonderful record. you
> won't play it every
> week, but you'll be happy when you do. make the trade.
>
> kg
>
>
>
> -
>


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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:16:47 +0100
From: patRice <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: The complete Masada Songbook

rob!

are you being serious? you must be joking!!!

first of all: how do people prove to you they already have legally
bought seven masada cds?

apart from what you are intending to do being illegal, i'm sure a lot of
people on this list would feel strongly against this mp3-cd.

john zorn and diw have released a lot of great stuff that has given us
great pleasure. so make sure they make enough money so they can keep
this "service" up for us!

patRice

Rob Allaert wrote:
>
> To all Zorn-agains,
>
> I produced an MP3 CD-ROM  (698 Mb) with 143 Masada tracks (only 6 songs
> missing). All songs bitrate 128 - 44100 Hz. I added 24 playlists:
>
> I also added beautiful Artwork files for the jewel case.
>
> This incredible CD-ROM is only intended for _real_ fans who already possess
> at least 7 Masada releases. This for obvious reasons.
>
> Anyone interested? Mail me privately at "[e-mail]"
>
> -

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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 05:58:33 -0500
From: Rich Williams <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: So. How'd it happen?

>I'm curious about where you all began your exploration of  "New" and/or
>difficult music. In my own case, as much as you can trace this sort of
>thing, my interest began with Zappa (as much reading about him as listening
>to him), King Crimson

    Like a lot of people here, my high school exposure to Zappa &
Fripp probably paved the way, Soft Machine and Mahavishnu too.  But
it was an article in Trouser Press circa 1979 by Fred Frith, that
really turned my head around. In it Fred outlined all the Europeann
Avant/Rock bands of the day, Etron Fou, Sormy Six, PPU..... That, and
the wonderful folks at 2 late, lamented record stores; Capitol
Records in Hartford CT and The Soho music Gallery in NY(whose staff
included Zorn, and Arto), were big influences.

RW


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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 06:21:48 -0500
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: denio

At 12:25 AM 2/24/00 -0500, Steve Smith wrote:
>
>I agree re: 'Birthing Chair Blues.'  It's strange and beautiful.  Any is
someone to
>know and love.  But I cherish even more my memories of two discs I used to
own by a
>band called Tone Dogs, who were (by the time I heard them - as always,
there were
>*earlier* members) Amy, bassist Fred Chalenor (pre-Caveman Shoestore and
Zony Mash)
>and drummer Matt Cameron (pre-Soundgarden and Pearl Jam).

I'll put in a strong second for the Tone Dogs, whose Ankety Low Day is
still one of my favorites (and I'm kicking myself for passing up the change
to get Early Middle Years).  Other Denio disks that I enjoy include her
work with Chris Cutler, both on the recent Science Group (about which I
raved a few months ago) and her earlier effort the (EC) Nudes, with Wadi
Gysi, a Swiss guitarist.  Both still available on ReR, both highly
recommended.  There is also a fairly recent disk which documents the
BTMSQ's tour of eastern Europe, where they met up and recorded an album
with the (Estonian? Lithuanian?) group Ne Zhdali, the first group which
featured Leonid Soybelman of Kletka Red (on Tzadik).  I haven't heard
Kletka Red, but Ne Zhedali is/was a terrific five-member punk/RIO type
band, and the addition of the horn section makes the album especially
memorable.  She has also recorded an album of art songs with George
Cartwright of Curlew fame and lyrics by Paul Haines (Escalator Over the
Hill) entitled The Memphis Years, on Cuneiform, but I haven't heard that
one either.

- --
Caleb Deupree
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It is pretty obvious that the debasement of the human mind caused by a
constant flow of fraudulent advertising is no trivial thing.  There is more
than one way to conquer a country.

- -- Raymond Chandler

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