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Zorn List Digest Tuesday, January 11 2000 Volume 02 : Number 828
In this issue:
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Re: triphop dr+bs
Re: triphop dr+bs
Re: best of 99
Re: best of 99
Re: Re(2): TripHop, Drum&Bass Projects
Re: triphop dr+bs
[Fwd: Re: 99 lists]
Re: Re: triphop dr+bs
Re: triphop dr+bs
Re: triphop dr+bs
1/14/00 [electroluxe]
Re: triphop dr+bs
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:27:29 -0500
From: Steven Nilsen <snilsen@panda.uchc.edu>
Subject: Re: triphop dr+bs
<<
On that topic dont forget:
Toshinori Kondo & DJ Krush: Ki Oku CD
very nice trumpete over distorted beats.
>>
Now I dislike this albumn. It's l;ong and highly repetative. Not much
actual distiction between tracks. I wouldn't play it sobre.
On the other hand, I might not lcare for the genre. I did recently get two
Mouse on Mars albumns, and these guys ahve really taken electronics and
sampling to another level, just amazing stuff that will stand any tests of
time. So maybe I feel more comfrotable with more adventurous stuff,
nothing in trip hop has yet to impress me all that much. I am open to any
strong suggestions.
Oh, I would second or third the early Squarepusher, and if you like that
try U-Ziq (I have a recent EP). U-ziq is definately a lot like
Squarepusher, but maybe not as melodic.
- -Steven
- -
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:38:03 EST
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: triphop dr+bs
In a message dated 1/10/00 1:22:55 PM, snilsen@panda.uchc.edu writes:
<< nothing in trip hop has yet to impress me all that much. I am open to any
strong suggestions. >>
all three Massive Attack records are superb. the first, Blue Lines, is maybe
a touch dated, but considering it's from 1991, it holds up pretty damn well.
the other two, Protection and Mezzanine, have both held up through dozens and
dozens of listens. and the Mad Professor full length remix of Protection, No
Protection, is one of the very few remix CDs I'd recommend. the two discs
work as superb complements to each other, each aiding in one's appreciation
of the other.
also, both Portishead CDs are great, if a bit played out. and if you can find
a copy of Earthling-Radar (Cooltempo/Chrysalis UK), snap it up. good luck
though; it was never released in the US.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
- -
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:49:37 -0700
From: fishes <fishes@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: best of 99
> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:26:00 +0000
> From: Simon Hopkins <simon@state51.co.uk>
> Subject: best of 99
>
> There doesn't seem to have been much of a take up on "the best of 99"
>
*snip*
>
> That's it for now. Comments?
>
> Cheers
>
> SH
Well apparently you never recieved the CortexBomb cd i sent you, or i am
certain it would have been on that list *cackle* i agree with just about
everything on that list (not that anyone gives a rats booty) and would only
venture to add-
BetaBand-The Beta Band
Prince Paul- Prince among Theives (my fav of the year if it was 99 might
have been 98?)
Handsome Boy Modeling School
GodSpeed You Black Emperor- Slow Riot...
(they tour in a f#*ckin VAN!)
snooks to the...,
<e>>>
CortexBomb-
<!> http://www.mockbrwn.com/bands/cortex
<!> http://www.mp3.com/cortexbomb
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:09:55 EST
From: Velaires@aol.com
Subject: Re: best of 99
My personal favs:
My favs for 1999:
Myra Melford: Above Blue
Dave Douglas: Songs For Wandering Souls
Keith Jarrett: The Melody At Night And You'
Zohar: Keiter
Uri Caine: Mahler In Toblach
Dolly Parton: The Grass Is Blue (no joke -- great)
Houn'dog: self-titled
John Abercrombie: Open Lan=01=DD=F90
- -
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 00 13:16:21 -0700
From: Douglas Tapia <dtapia@arts.unco.edu>
Subject: Re: Re(2): TripHop, Drum&Bass Projects
>>I'll second the Cujo/Amon Tobin reccomendation, but the real magnum opus
>>of his is Permutation. I love the Cujo disc, but Permutation is very
>>evolved and complex in places where the Cujo disc was a bit lacking.
>
>My only hold-up about Amon Tobin is that it's not so "avant" in either
>electronica OR jazz. The jazz samples used are fairly straight, and the
>electronica stuff comes nowhere near what others have done. A good friend
>brought up a good point that he'd like to hear more electronica artists
>use live (as opposed to sampled) jazz-influenced players - much like the
>Ben Neill I mentioned.
>
My take on Amon has always been an appreciation for his organicism. This
is a trait that I first learned to appreciate in Miles, and later on, in
downtowners like Zorn, Douglas, Speed, Barron, et al. What makes Amon
unique in my perspective is that by the very nature of his medium there
can be no "stream of conciousness" as in improvised musics. The fact
that he can used static elements to create a great sense of movement and
take his listeners "on a journy" is no small accomplishment, in my
estimation. The clarity of Amon's constructions, and the lucid quality
of his production are what draw me to him over and over.
To be sure, I listen to, and enjoy this music in a much different way,
and on a different level, than I do most of the music discussed on this
list, which is also attractive to me.
I had the opprutnity to speak to Mr. Tobin briefly about a year and a
half ago. For his part, he considers himself a photographer, not a
musician. He claims there is nothing special about what he does, and
brushes aside the suggestion that he has composed any music of note. He
claims that he is "just putting a bunch of samples together." I've
heard people, even good musicians, "just throwing samples together," and
it never has the cohesive, single-minded clarity of Amon Tobin.
If nothing else, Amon is significant for pointing to a direction in d n'
b that had not been explored before and is a major departure from what
came before.
FWIW,
- -Doug
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 12:18:06 -0800
From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel)
Subject: Re: triphop dr+bs
At 1:27 PM 1/10/00, Steven Nilsen wrote:
><<
>On that topic dont forget:
>Toshinori Kondo & DJ Krush: Ki Oku CD
>very nice trumpete over distorted beats.
>>>
>
>Now I dislike this albumn. It's long and highly repitative. Not much
>actual distiction between tracks. I wouldn't play it sobre.
I didn't like Ki Oku all that much when I first got it, there was something
kind of lightweight and fluffy about some of the tracks, particularly the
opener. It has grown on me though, mostly due to Kondo's wonderful sound
and playing. I think Krush did some much more interesting stuff on his
earlier records, and would like to hear Kondo blowing over those.
Speaking of Kindo, does anyone know where in the US to get the
Kondo/Laswell/Bernocchi Charged CD? I've tried orderring ot from my usual
sources, and either it's not carried, or, if it is listed, it's out of
stock.
>On the other hand, I might not lcare for the genre. I did recently get two
>Mouse on Mars albumns, and these guys ahve really taken electronics and
>sampling to another level, just amazing stuff that will stand any tests of
>time. So maybe I feel more comfrotable with more adventurous stuff,
>nothing in trip hop has yet to impress me all that much. I am open to any
>strong suggestions.
>
I like all the Mouse On Mars I've heard thus far, I don't know if I'd say
their taking electronics to another level, at least not when artists like
Autechre and Ryoji Ikeda are around, but I think they've made some terrific
records. They're among they few electronic bands that can really write a
non-trivial melody. In fact, a number of their tunes sound like they could
have been written by Wayne Horvitz.
________________________________________________________
Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/
"...there will come a day when you won't have to use
gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in
your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper
type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em
together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em
together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire."
-Sun Ra
________________________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:26:25 -0500
From: Brian Olewnick <olewnik@idt.net>
Subject: [Fwd: Re: 99 lists]
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I thought 1999 was one of the strongest years in recent memory for new
music, though this might reflect simply the wider availability of a
lot of things (also having places like Other Music around, making the
acquisition of arcane items a breeze). I'm pretty sure I've commented
on most all of the below in prior posts, so I'll just list the 20
things I bought this year that I most enjoyed. Some were doubtless
issued before 1999, even as far back as 1997, but what the hell. All
of these, imho, are superb recordings.
In rough order of preference:
Barry Guy/LJCO Double Trouble Two Intakt
Morton Feldman For Philip Guston Bridge
David Tudor Rainforest Mode
Such The Issue at Hand Matchless
Ground-Zero Last Concert Amoebic
Steve Reich Phase Patterns Wergo
John Wall Constructions I-IV Utterpsalm
Saptono/Tukinem Central Javanese Gamelan King
Taylor/Redman/Jones Momentum Space Verve
Parker/Prevost Most Materiall Matchless
Roscoe Mitchell Nine to Get Ready ECM
Morton Feldman For John Cage hat[now]art
Muller/O'Rourke Weighting For 4 Ears
VHF Extracts Erstwhile
Masada Live in Middelheim Tzadik
Anthony Braxton News from the 70's New Tone
Cecil Taylor The Tree of Life FMP
Baoquan He/Winjian Sun Gezhung King
John Fahey Georgia Stomps/Atlanta Struts T of E
Aaly Trio Hidden in the Stomach Wobbly Rail
Memorable live events:
Brotzmann Tentet Victo
ISO (Yoshihide) Victo
Zorn/Graves Victo
Breuker Kollektief Tonic
Aaly w/KV Tonic
Joe McPhee Merkin
Cecil Taylor Orensanz
Robin Holcomb Roulette
Bailey/Ibarra Roulette
Guy Klucevsek Tonic
Excellent year all around. Thanks to all list members for providing
such fine company.
Brian Olewnick
- -
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:36:46 EST
From: Slntwtchr@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: triphop dr+bs
>Speaking of Kindo, does anyone know where in the US to get the
>Kondo/Laswell/Bernocchi Charged CD? I've tried orderring ot from my usual
>sources, and either it's not carried, or, if it is listed, it's out of
>stock.
this showed up in a lot of places computer listings under the title
'excavation:beat alchemy'. that was originally slated for release, and got
bumped back. apparently 'charged' was assigned the upc originally given to
'excavation' and a lot of music sellers didn't know/never changed it.
innerhythmic is supposed to kick up in full-swing in february/march, and
their tentative schedule includes a re-release of 'charged', if you don't
come across it before then.
peace,
dave
___________________________________________________________
bill laswell, eraldo bernocchi, mick harris and lori carson discographies at :
http://www.geocities.com/slntwtchr
___________________________________________________________
- -
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 21:37:19 -0500
From: Matthew Shepherd <shep@globetrotter.net>
Subject: Re: triphop dr+bs
I'm de-lurking for the first time in months to admit that I'm a huge closet
Herbaliser (Ninja Tune) fan.
It's getting a little far afield, but some of their instrumentals have a
fabulous beat and a distinctly jazzy feel -- particularly the bass lines.
Admittedly, half their tracks are pretty straightforward rap, but they're
still worth checking out.
Actually, anyone into well-paced electronic music with DJ-heavy leanings
should check out Ninja Tune...
I'm also a big Tobin and Grassy Knoll fan, if that helps place me on the
taste wheel.
Is anyone out there also fond of the Beastie Boys' "In Sound From Way Out?"
- - Matt Shepherd
- -
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 03:34:13 GMT
From: "Bill Ashline" <bashline@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: triphop dr+bs
This commercialized trip hop doesn't hold a candle to the stuff that's come
out on the Baraka Foundation and in other locations like Wordsound's
Ebn-E-Sync, etc. For drum n' bass and other rhythmic variety, check out "We
(tm)" who appears on some Baraka comps as well as Asphodel, which by the
way, is a superb label.
>From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
>
>all three Massive Attack records are superb. >also, both Portishead CDs are
>great, if a bit played out.
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 09:01:39 GMT
From: "pic nic" <lefauxhulot@hotmail.com>
Subject: 1/14/00 [electroluxe]
Received the following. I liked this event in the last summer... loved the
duo. - pic nic
>well yes. [electroluxe] is back!
>after a big nice blank period of time, it comes back right in front of
>you... ikue mori & jim o'rourke duo make a second appearance, while
>newly named RotoR comes back w/ possibly completely different approach
>as well!
>we welcome indescribable super psyche-electro band, Electro-Putas for
>midnite bang!
>& mr. brian dewan will assemble his collection of analogue synth,
>cartridge organ, vintage answering machine etc. to offer his rare first
>'electronic only' performance in collaboration with myself (<o>blaat)
>processing sounds from special contact mics hidden thruout tonic
>space... so, come early (around 8 - 9:15 pm.... probably there will be
>'early ambience drink special', too!!) & participate in the ambience by
>buying some drinks from the bar. (yeah. the bar would be surely mic'd!!
>) see you all there!! - <o>blaat (keiko.u) of pitchbrite
>
>
>**************************************
>
>immediate release
>
>[electroluxe]
>
>date: friday, jan. 14th
>location: tonic, 107 norfolk st. bet. rivington & delancey
>212.358.7503 or http://www.tonic107.com
>starting point: 8 p.m.
>
>offering... two pleasure encore w/ new development, plus one debut &
>more...
>RotoR (raz mesinai, toshio kajiwara and dj olive the audio janitor)
>a collective of three emerging new york composers who create
>vinyl scores with computers for play back by dj's.
>raz mesinai, toshio kajiwara and dj olive the audio janitor,
>reveal a new batch of sketches from a work under construction.
>(encore return to [electroluxe]!)
>
>ikue mori (tzadik) + jim o'rourke (moikai)
>Allow the great forces behind the drum machines and powerbook to pulsate
>the air that will stimulate the organs in your ear.
>(encore return to [electroluxe]!)
>
>electro-putas (input 1=2)
>are you ready for this? post-krautrock, post-can (?!?) band
>electro-putas will hit the stage at midnite!
>"Sit on the floor under a table for this. Fertile repetition. Blasts of
>exuberance. Organic percolating...It strikes me as being the next
>generation of improv." (Anne Eickelberg, Your Flesh),
>with Joe Frivaldi (guitar, vocals), Akio Mokuno (bass, vocals), Jaiko
>Suzuki (drums, vocals) & Mike Woodward (keyboard).
>(debut appearance in [electroluxe]!!)
>
>******
>with opening ambience by...
>brian dewan: analog synth., elec. organ, reel-to-reel answering machine,
>cartridge organ (special setup for this occasion!)
>with <o>blaat: electrotap.board.effector! with special contact mics. -
>processing sounds from various hidden spots of tonic space... whether
>you want it or not, you'd automatically participate in the ambience by
>buying a beer or something tasty from the bar;)
>
>admission: $10 / adv., $12 / door for all sets or $5 for electro-putas
>set only at midnite
>adv. tkt avail @other music, 15 e. 4th st. 212.477.8150 or go to
>http://www.ticketweb.com
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 13:58:27 +0000
From: Simon Hopkins <simon@state51.co.uk>
Subject: Re: triphop dr+bs
>This commercialized trip hop doesn't hold a candle to the stuff that's come
>out on the Baraka Foundation and in other locations like Wordsound's
>Ebn-E-Sync, etc...
For a pretty definitive summary of the current state of cutting edge drum
and bass *and* hip-hop, check out Kevin Martin's "Collision Course"
compilation (Ill/Play It Again Sam). Kevin was previously responsible for
the "Isolationism", "Macro Dub Infection" (1&2) and "Jazz Satellites"
compilations that I put out during my years at Virgin UK, as well as his
own "Patholgical Compilation" so his track record for finding the most
hardcore of musics is untouched (and, yes, I'm biased).
Just to pitch in on the jazz/d'n'b thread, I reckon most of the significant
stuff has been covered. But I'm really surprised as the generally negative
reaction to Squarepusher's "Music Is Rotted One Note", which I think is way
the best of the crop, and one of the few to get even close to the darkness
and intensity of, say, "Weather Report Live In Tokyo" (which it uncannily
resembles at times). Sure, it's not as beautifully crafted as Amon's
futurist-exotica or J Swinscoe's soundtracky Cinematic Orchestra stuff, but
it has some *nuts*. I think his Pastorius-ness is kept largely in check and
both his drumming and electric piano playing are very convincing. And he's
so damn "young*! Bastard.
Simon
simon hopkins is a member of the state51 conspiracy
http://motion.state51.co.uk
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