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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #827
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Zorn List Digest Monday, January 10 2000 Volume 02 : Number 827
In this issue:
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Re: TripHop, Drum&Bass Projects
Re: more Bailey Recs
Re: d'n'b recs
(fwd) Re: 99 lists (call for reviews)
Re: trip hop / drum and bass
Re: curious
re: Speaking of Frisell (was Bailey)
Re: Speaking of Frisell
New Music polkas, tangos, & Beatles songs in RealAudio
tour dates?
re: cEvin key (was: electronica recs or something...)
re: Speaking of Frisell (was Bailey)
re: cEvin key (was: electronica recs or something...)
best of 99
triphop dr+bs
Re: Re(2): more Bailey Recs
best of 99
Re: triphop dr+bs
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Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 23:54:57 +0100
From: Shlomo Weintraub <Bill.Gates@Microsoft.com>
Subject: Re: TripHop, Drum&Bass Projects
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> Hell007,
Herbie Hancock's "Sextant" is an really Interesting Album with some stran=
ge
synthesizer work; This album inspired me me a lot. I think it's well wort=
h
checking out.
There is an Austrian "Big Band" called Orchester 33 1/3. Their first albu=
m
features a mixture of Drum and Bass, Free Jazz, 50ies "ganster style" hor=
n
arrangments and some Dub elements. Peter Pr=F6tzmann plays some great
avandgardistiqoueeeeeee tenor sax on that album.
The newest Squarepusher album "Selection Sixteen" is really great. A ques=
tion to
all the people out there, what do you think of 4 hero's two pages?
bye Shlomo
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<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Hell007,</blockquote>
Herbie Hancock's "Sextant" is an really Interesting Album with some strange
synthesizer work; This album inspired me me a lot. I think it's well worth
checking out.
<br>There is an Austrian "Big Band" called <i>Orchester 33 1/3. </i>Their
first album features a mixture of Drum and Bass, Free Jazz, 50ies "ganster
style" horn arrangments and some Dub elements. Peter Prötzmann plays
some great avandgardistiqoueeeeeee tenor sax on that album.
<br>The newest Squarepusher album "Selection Sixteen" is really great.
A question to all the people out there, what do you think of 4 hero's <i>two
pages</i>?
<p>bye Shlomo
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Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 17:59:14 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: more Bailey Recs
Matthew Ross Davis wrote:
> > Okay, here's another hare-brained thread: If you
> > could put Bailey into a playing/recording situation
> > with absolutely anybody, who would it be?
>
> Ikue Mori
Yes.
> or Bill Frisell.
Maybe once upon a time. But lately Frisell's just not doing it for me in
the avant/improv context. He's well and truly become the guitarist
equivalent of Garrison Keillor. Of course, I'm willing to have his
forthcoming solo guitar CD on Nonesuch prove me dead wrong. That's due
out this month or next, I forget which.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - King Crimson, "Krim 3," 'The VROOOM Sessions'
- -
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Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 19:00:54 -0500
From: Nils <jacobson@frodo.mgh.harvard.edu>
Subject: Re: d'n'b recs
Whit Schonbein <whit@twinearth.wustl.edu> wrote:
>
> > At 11:52 AM 1/6/00, Neil H. Enet wrote:
>
> > avoid squarepusher from 'rotted' on; it's dreck.
>
> i second the reccommendation for pre-'rotted' squarepusher; not sure
> i'd call it jazzy
in the sense that tom jenkinson fancies himself as sort of a slowed
down jaco pastorius, i suppose it could be. on the newer recordings
he indulges that pastorius thing at greater speeds, cultivating the
improvisational edge, as it were.
and whit: just a little more care with attributions. neil enet said
nothing of that kind. it was just me tossing out a little bait.
> the aforementioned people who enjoy
> the 'rotted' squarepusher also have expressed an appreciation for the
> grassy knoll 'iii', but i still haven't gotten much milage out of that
> one.
i would say that's for deep purple fans, mostly. (only halfway
kidding.) deep purple "made in japan" is the grassy knoll guy's
favorite record. the beats on GN records tend toward the rock side of things.
Matthew Ross Davis <mrd@artswire.org> wrote:
> Above anything it shows that he's an awesome
> musician - some of the bass work even reminds me of Laswell's Invisible
> Design.
(not me, but anyway...) ID imho is one of laswell's very worst records
in recorded history. directionless, unfocused, and murky to the hilt.
imho.
> My only hold-up about Amon Tobin is that it's not so "avant" in either
> electronica OR jazz.
absolutely. it's just good fun, i think, mostly. though no one was
doing much of his kind of thing when he started doing it. try bisk if
you want something edgier. i have the feeling there will soon be a
lot of bisk imitators out there.
up to $0.08 already,
nils
- -
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:51:42 -0500
From: eric ong <eso200@is5.nyu.edu>
Subject: (fwd) Re: 99 lists (call for reviews)
I think this was meant for the list.
>Return-Path: <Velaires@aol.com>
>From: Velaires@aol.com
>Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 18:27:21 EST
>Subject: Re: 99 lists (call for reviews)
>To: eso200@is5.nyu.edu
>
>My favorite record of the year was either Myra Melford's ABOVE BLUE (one
of the better records so far in which to hear Chris Speed) or, strangely
enough, THE GRASS IS BLUE, which was Dolly Parton's offering this year.
The clarity of the improvising (and the flexibility of her singing when
with great improvisors) was really amazing. I know country music might not
be the preferred province of the list, but it often pays to keep an open
mind as to how any music can have some really exciting moments in it.
>
>skip h
>
>
>
- -
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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 19:07:55 EST
From: JKlein2373@aol.com
Subject: Re: trip hop / drum and bass
I highly recommend techno pioneer Carl Craig. A recent compilation, "Geology:
A Subjective History of Planet E" collects much of his most interesting work,
including the classic "Bug In The Bassbin" by Innerzone Orchestra (FWIW,
thought by many to be the first drum and bass salvo). Innerzone Orchestra
released its own excellent album this year, a novel fusion of jazz and techno
that features one of Sun Ra's percussionists (among other guests). I'll
second (third?) the Amon Tobin recommendation, too, and I can't praise
Autechre enough.
Josh
- -
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Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 19:59:55 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: curious
Brian Olewnick wrote:
> XRedbirdxx@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > is the steve smith that frequents this list the same steve smith, assistant
> > conductor of the cleveland orchestra?
>
> Yeah, his orchestration of "Starless and Bible Black" is killer!
Ha! LOL! Yeah, that's the right answer.
No, I'm not the Steve Smith of the Cleveland Orchestra (though I wouldn't mind
conducting America's best orchestra in "Starless and Bible Black" or anything
else, for that matter...)
Nor am I the Steve Smith of Vital Information/Journey fame/infamy (though I
occasionally receive e-mail meant for him). Not even the Steve Smith of the
Atlanta Hawks/Portland Trailblazers (though I'd enjoy his income for a year or
so...).
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - ProjeKct Three, "Masque Part 8," 'Masque (King Crimson, 'The ProjeKcts' V3)'
- -
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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 18:28:23 -0800
From: "s~Z" <keithmar@jetlink.net>
Subject: re: Speaking of Frisell (was Bailey)
Maybe once upon a time. But lately Frisell's just not doing it for me in
the avant/improv context. He's well and truly become the guitarist
equivalent of Garrison Keillor.
Steve Smith
NP - King Crimson, "Krim 3," 'The VROOOM Sessions'
And what has Fripp become?
God, I was thinking the same thing about Frisell earlier in the week. Found
an old cassette copy of 'Theoretically' and was reminded to buy the CD
re-issue. Which got me remembering Frisell playing 'At My Place' with
Driscoll, Baron, and Roberts. Remains one of the finest evenings of music
I've experienced. He only sounded like Keillor during between-song banter.
Don't feel much pull to catch him at his rather frequent appearances at
McCabes in that same coastal town. But he is such a nice man with such
exquisite chops. I actually feel the same way about Charlie Haden. A couple
of decades ago catching him numerous times with Old & New Dreams, and with
the Liberation Orchestra. How can they go from experiencing that music and
enjoy what they are playing now. There must be a good answer to this
question. These are such fine musicians. Is there anyone out there who was
stoked as hell by Frisell's earlier stuff in an improv context, and remains
just as on fire for what he is doing now?
s~Z
np: 'Futurism & Dada Reviewed"
(Compilation)
- -
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:31:46 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: Speaking of Frisell
> Is there anyone out there who was
> stoked as hell by Frisell's earlier stuff in an improv context, and
remains
> just as on fire for what he is doing now?
I'm a relatively new fan of Frisell... someone bought me Nashville when it
came out, and even though it's not his greatest recording ever, I still
liked it and started looking for his other stuff. I have managed to build a
pretty good collection but don't have much of his early stuff. When you
speak of his earlier stuff, do you mean earlier stuff in his own name, or
as a sideman?
- -
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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 21:48:34 -0600
From: Herb Levy <herb@eskimo.com>
Subject: New Music polkas, tangos, & Beatles songs in RealAudio
As threatened, here it is.
This week's Mappings presents polkas, tangos and arrangements of
Beatles songs by new music composers. Some are pretty dang weird, a
few are very straight forward. Composers include John Cage, Tom Cora,
Alvin Curran, Duke Ellington (not a Beatles song), Fred Frith, Peter
Garland, Julius Hemphill, Robin Holcomb, Guy Klucevsek (not a polka),
Alvin Lucier, Conlon Nancarrow, Frederic Rzewski, Elliott Sharp, Carl
Stone, Lois V Vierk and many more.
<http://www.antennaradio.com/avant/mappings/index.htm>
Check it out.
Bests,
Herb
- --
Herb Levy
NEW MAILING ADDRESS: P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, TX 76147
NEW PHONE: 817 377-2983
same old e-mail: herb@eskimo.com
- -
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Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 11:19:36 -0800
From: davy bui <bui@sonoma.edu>
Subject: tour dates?
Can anyone please point to a good site for getting good tour date info on
artists such as Zorn, Frisell, Douglas etc?
Thanks
- -
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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 22:46:27 -0600 (CST)
From: Whit Schonbein <whit@twinearth.wustl.edu>
Subject: re: cEvin key (was: electronica recs or something...)
someone mentioned cEvin key, i think. is this the cevin key from skinny
puppy and download? if so (and even if not) i reccomend download III as a
decent electronic album. the first two albums are more industrial, and
don't appeal much to me ("i believe in nothing" is a line from one tune).
III doesn't have vocals, and is less harsh and more groove oriented in
almost a dance-music oriented way (w/ the bass drum hitting on the down
beat) it also gets sort of crazy at points, with a barrage of rhythmic
distortion, for example.
has key done anything more recent than the third download release, and
if so, how does it compare? i would be very interested in hearing more
music in that vein.
oh yeah, peggy lee shows up on cello on III.
cheers, whit
np - download III (go figure)
- -
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 00:41:34 -0500
From: Taylor McLaren <paste@interlog.com>
Subject: re: Speaking of Frisell (was Bailey)
MEEP! "s~Z" <keithmar@jetlink.net> wrote:
>How can they go from experiencing that music and
>enjoy what they are playing now. There must be a good answer to this
>question. These are such fine musicians.
A while back, I was poking through the heaps of stuff that have been made
available for download at mp3lit.com, and I happened upon an excerpt from
Nick Cave's introduction to, of all things, the Book of Mark. I rather like
his thoughts on the subject:
"But you grow up; you do. You mellow out. Buds of compassion push through
the cracks in the blackened, bitter soil. Your rage ceases to need a name.
You no longer find comfort watching a whacked-out god tormenting a wretched
humanity as you learn to forgive yourself and the world. That god of old
begins to transmute in your heart; base metals become silver and gold, and
you warm to the world."
Whether that's the result of getting older and just a little bit tired,
and wanting something pleasant to do every now and again, or just plain
falling off (and there are probably those who won't want to distinguish
between the two) is pretty much open to argument. Personally, I love _Good
Dog, Happy Man_ to death; it's a wonderful, gentle record for quiet
afternoons spent on the couch, and while I wouldn't take it with me for the
bus ride to work each morning (that's what Painkiller is for), I'm grateful
for the mellowing that must have gone on to produce something so sunny and
impeccably played.
- -me
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 00:48:51 -0500
From: Taylor McLaren <paste@interlog.com>
Subject: re: cEvin key (was: electronica recs or something...)
MEEP! Whit Schonbein <whit@twinearth.wustl.edu> wrote:
>has key done anything more recent than the third download release, and
>if so, how does it compare? i would be very interested in hearing more
>music in that vein.
Well, for what it's worth, there has been another Plateau album since _III_
hit the market a year or two ago, but given how much I hated _Music for
Grassbars_ (the first outing under that name), I wasn't too keen on
checking it out; reviews from the like-everything-Key-does camp, though,
suggest that it's far more in line with the bumpier, noisier Download sound
than the smoother tones of _III_.
It's probably worth noting, though, that _III_ was more Phil Western's
work than anything else (he got top billing as far as writing credits and
such went); it might be worth looking into some of his solo work (_The
Escapist_ on Map Records, various Off & Gone albums, etc.) if you've got a
bit of money to burn some weekend.
- -me
- -
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 00:51:58 -0600 (CST)
From: Whit Schonbein <whit@twinearth.wustl.edu>
Subject: best of 99
i always have diffiulty with 'best of xxxx's because i never can remember
when the recording came out. nonetheless, i'll mention the following
because i think it came out in 99:
philipp wachsmann and paul lytton, some other season, ecm 1662
solo and duets featureing violin, viola, percussion, and live electronics.
can't really describe it, but this album just really works for me.
happy sunday,
whit
np - double trio (trio de clarinettes + arcado string trio), green dolphy
street (now here's an album that i come back to again and again and again
- - it's on my best of whatever-year-it-was list, certainly)
- -
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:35:03 +0100 (MET)
From: Emmanouil Papagiannakis <papagian@nat.vu.nl>
Subject: triphop dr+bs
On that topic dont forget:
Toshinori Kondo & DJ Krush: Ki Oku CD
very nice trumpete over distorted beats.
Manolis
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 04:08:28 EST
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re(2): more Bailey Recs
Somebody- Tom Pratt maybe...did wonder thusly
> Okay, here's another hare-brained thread: If you
> could put Bailey into a playing/recording situation
> with absolutely anybody, who would it be?
Vidna Obmana- just to hear what two very different artists and styles could
come up with.
=dg=
- -
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:26:00 +0000
From: Simon Hopkins <simon@state51.co.uk>
Subject: best of 99
There doesn't seem to have been much of a take up on "the best of 99"
front, but I thought I'd throw some ideas out. 99 was one of the first
years I can remember in ages when I was genuinely excited by new album
releases. I don't think any one particular style shone out (as hip hop,
European electronica and d'n'b have in recent years) but across the year
this has been a great year. It's not that any particular release has been a
breakthrough, but that there's been so much hugely enjoyable stuff. There
have also been to my mind, three releases of absolute genius, which is
pretty high: the Mr Bungle, Arto and Hassell albums.
I actually scribbled down the following list in a notebook sometime in
early November, after rather too much red wine,so there are almost
certainly oversights, but on the whole I'd stand by it. Beyond the
aforementioned, the list is in no particular order. So...
David Toop/Various artists: Hot Pants Idol
Powerfield - EEE
Mr Bungle - California
Fantomas - Fantomas
Korekyojin - Korekyojin
Arto Lindsay - Prize
Vinicius cantuaria - Tacuma
Ponga - Ponga
Harriet Tubman - I Am A Man
Yagi Michiyo - Shizuku
Paul Schutze - Third Site
Mahavishnu Orchestra - The Lost Trident Sessions
Techno Animal/Porter Ricks - Symbiotix
Ear Drum - First Light
Prelapse - Prelapse
John Zorn - String Quartets
Various Artists - Collision Course
Lamb - Fear of Fours
David Sylvian - Approaching Silence
Jon Hassell - Fascinoma
Forever Sharp and Vivid - Forever Sharp and Vivid
Four Tet - Dialogue
Missy "Misdemeanor" Elliott - Da Real World
Flanger - Templates
Atari Teenage Riot - 60 Second Wipeout
Marc Ribot - YO! I Killed Your God
Sonic Youth - Goodbye 20th Century
John Wall - Constructions I - IV
Mos Def - Black on Both Sides
Other people have pitched in with non-album release highlights. I don't get
out much, but I would have to mention the following...
Arto Lindsay live in London (one of the gigs of my life)
Jack O'Connell's "Word As Flesh" (most exciting personal literary discovery
for me; post-Auster, noir, ulra-violent sci-fi thriller - probably been out
in the US for ages, but new to me)
Chris Marker's "Level 5 (I really don't see many movies at all, so I
couldn't compare it to the rest of the year's releases, but I can't imagine
much coming close in terms of sensory and intellectual overload.)
That's it for now. Comments?
Cheers
SH
simon hopkins
a state51 rhoda street london e2 7ef
t 00 44 (0)171 729 8493
sh is a member of the state51 conspiracy, incorporating
motion http://motion.state51.co.uk
skam
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- -
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:40:52 +0100
From: 2L <laurent.levy@fnac.net>
Subject: Re: triphop dr+bs
Emmanouil Papagiannakis a =E9crit :
> On that topic dont forget:
> Toshinori Kondo & DJ Krush: Ki Oku CD
> very nice trumpete over distorted beats.
> Manolis
>
> -
also don't forget "charged" featuring toshinori kondo, bill laswell and
eraldo bernocchi; the CD has been released a year ago on R&S (a label
from Belgium). It's darker than ki-oku and also has more drum+bass
parts. Definitely worth checking out.
I found out about the record after having seen the band play last
December in Rennes (France) at the Transmusicales festival.
2L.
- -
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