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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #826
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Zorn List Digest Sunday, January 9 2000 Volume 02 : Number 826
In this issue:
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Re: 99 lists (call for reviews)
Re: 99 lists (call for reviews)
Re: 99 lists (call for reviews)
Re: 99 lists (call for reviews)
Re: d'n'b recs
Compositions
Re(2): more Bailey Recs
Re(2): TripHop, Drum&Bass Projects
Re: TripHop, Drum&Bass Projects
Re: JA Deane (Re: out of context (and off-topic))
Re: TripHop, Drum&Bass Projects
Re: Satie was 99 lists
koglmann, krauss, frenquencies &c.
Aichinger/Austrians
Re: 99 lists (call for reviews)
Re: 99 lists (call for reviews)
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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 23:13:29 EST
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: 99 lists (call for reviews)
In a message dated 1/8/00 10:44:07 PM, baxelrad@dttus.com writes:
<< Burkhard Stangl -- Recital. Absolutely beautiful. I also picked
up Oskar Aichinger "Poemia" and Gal "Bestimmung." Both are also very
good. Can anyone recommend other Durian releases? >>
Recital is my favorite on the label, but Comforts of Madness-Autism CD is
also very good. it's the second of the three records they've done, all with
different lineups, but it's the only one currently available in the US. the
first, also on Durian, is OOP, and the newest one, on Charhizma, hasn't made
it to the US yet.
all three are very nice mixes of jazz/improv with electronics, and the two on
Durian both feature Roger Turner, who excels at this sort of thing (Martin
Klapper/Roger Turner-Recent Croaks (Acta) is another great record in this
vein.)
disclaimer: Mr. Stangl is currently recording for Erstwhile, a duo CD with
Christof Kurzmann which will hopefully be out in May.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 20:42:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt9@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 99 lists (call for reviews)
- --- JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 1/8/00 10:44:07 PM,
> baxelrad@dttus.com writes:
>
> << Burkhard Stangl -- Recital. Absolutely
> beautiful. I also picked up Oskar Aichinger
> "Poemia" and Gal "Bestimmung." Both are also very
> good. Can anyone recommend other Durian releases?
>>
>
> Recital is my favorite on the label
I haven't heard everything on Durian, but I can vouch
for the Stangl as well. I'm listening to it right now.
Quiet and sparse, delicate and calculated... Superb.
Could you describe the Aichinger a little?
Also, what other recordings has Stangl done?
-Tom Pratt
listening to: Burkhard Stangl - Recital (Durian)
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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 20:50:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt9@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 99 lists (call for reviews)
- --- Ben Axelrad <baxelrad@dttus.com> wrote:
>
> 11. Erik Satie -- Piano Works. One of those
> Naxos $4.99 discs. The first Gymnopedie is one of
> the most incredible things I've ever heard.
Can anyone recommend a CD set of the complete Satie
piano works? I'd like to have a definitive set on CD.
-Tom Pratt
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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 00:16:30 EST
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: 99 lists (call for reviews)
In a message dated 1/8/00 11:44:52 PM, tpratt9@yahoo.com writes:
<< what other recordings has Stangl done? >>
there's a discography at:
www.sra.at/sr/persons/4462.htm
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 23:51:07 -0600 (CST)
From: Whit Schonbein <whit@twinearth.wustl.edu>
Subject: Re: d'n'b recs
> At 11:52 AM 1/6/00, Neil H. Enet wrote:
> avoid squarepusher from 'rotted' on; it's dreck.
i'm not sure i'd classify it as trash - despite the neo-70's-miles-davis
feel there are some interesting manipulations of the drums going on. i
know a number of people who are very impressed with the 'rotted' disc, and
who don't (or didn't) get much out of his earlier output. that being
said, i second the reccommendation for pre-'rotted' squarepusher; not sure
i'd call it jazzy, but the dj-types i know seem to think it's sort of
"experimental" (along with plug/luke vibert's 'drum'n'bass for papa') - it
sounds right to me, whatever it is. the aforementioned people who enjoy
the 'rotted' squarepusher also have expressed an appreciation for the
grassy knoll 'iii', but i still haven't gotten much milage out of that
one.
another $0.02,
whit
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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 01:43:25 EST
From: Orangejazz@aol.com
Subject: Compositions
There was talk awhile ago of a set of compostions Zorn was writing for
various surrealists.. I forgot a lot of the information on this. Does anyone
remember the people he wrote the pieces for, and has anyone heard them and
care to comment?
from,
matt
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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 00:00:23 -0500
From: Matthew Ross Davis <mrd@artswire.org>
Subject: Re(2): more Bailey Recs
> Okay, here's another hare-brained thread: If you
> could put Bailey into a playing/recording situation
> with absolutely anybody, who would it be?
Ikue Mori or Bill Frisell.
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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 00:14:17 -0500
From: Matthew Ross Davis <mrd@artswire.org>
Subject: Re(2): TripHop, Drum&Bass Projects
On Fri, Jan 7, 2000, Aaron D Meyers <adm226@is9.nyu.edu> wrote:
>I would have to completely disagree with this last statement. There are a
>lot of nay-sayers when it comes to the latest Squarepusher stuff, but
>while I really love the older stuff, Music is Rotted One Note is a truly
>amazing album covering very fresh territory. Admittedly, it took me a bit
>to get into, but the new Squarepusher era can hardly be written off as
>"dreck".
I'll chime in here and agree wholeheartedly with Aaron - the Squarepusher
releases from 1999 alone have really knocked me over with their
originality and uniqueness, and moreso because of how he practically
about-faced the style. Above anything it shows that he's an awesome
musician - some of the bass work even reminds me of Laswell's Invisible
Design.
>I'll second the Cujo/Amon Tobin reccomendation, but the real magnum opus
>of his is Permutation. I love the Cujo disc, but Permutation is very
>evolved and complex in places where the Cujo disc was a bit lacking.
My only hold-up about Amon Tobin is that it's not so "avant" in either
electronica OR jazz. The jazz samples used are fairly straight, and the
electronica stuff comes nowhere near what others have done. A good friend
brought up a good point that he'd like to hear more electronica artists
use live (as opposed to sampled) jazz-influenced players - much like the
Ben Neill I mentioned.
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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 23:51:10 -0500
From: Matthew Ross Davis <mrd@artswire.org>
Subject: Re: TripHop, Drum&Bass Projects
I don't have it in front of me, but avant-garde trumpet player Ben Neill
(appears on Einstein records, if I recall correctly, and has done
recordings of La Monte Young and various other contemporary composers)
just recently did a CD of drum&bass collaborations with various folks,
including DJ Spooky.
And if you're just interested in avant-garde drum&bass in general, make
sure you check out the likes of cevin key, squarepusher and of course
aphex twin.
On Thu, Jan 6, 2000, Neil H. Enet <nilugo@usa.net> wrote:
>Hello to all,
>
> I need recommendations for Trip Hop or Drum & Bass (or any electronic Dance
>genre)projects that any Jazz/Avant Garde artist has done. I know of the
>Derek Bailey/Dj Ninj collaboration "Guitars, Drums and Bass", and I have the
>Medeski Martin & Wood Remix EP "Bubblehouse" where Zorn plays, but that's
>basically it. If anyone can help me, I'd be very glad.
>
>thanks
>Neil H. Enet
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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:12:27 -0500
From: Matthew Ross Davis <mrd@artswire.org>
Subject: Re: JA Deane (Re: out of context (and off-topic))
>> Actually, 1 degree, as Deane was involved with some of JZ's
>> early game pieces.
Probably about the same time that Deane did performances at Roulette when
Zorn frequented the place.
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Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 07:59:48 GMT
From: "Scott Handley" <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: TripHop, Drum&Bass Projects
Hate to go for the obvious, but Miles davis 1969-1975 is about as "trip" as
I can imagine, and not just in terms of antecedents. I was listening to
LIVE AT FILMORE EAST (?) yesterday, and though it's rough edged and rough
listening--in its own way--the groove is sick; who coulda known Jack
DeJohnette was related to Clyde Stubblefield. Give the drummer some ya'll!
I think BIG FUN qualifies as bonified proto-trip-hop, and BITCHES
BREW...surely you've heard that! LIVE EVIL remains a Rosetta Stone for a
lot of post-______ music happening today. All of those are worth the price
of admission, IMHO.
But what a codger I'm being! Next I'll be claiming I get down to GESANG DER
JUNGLINGE. How about the more fusiony styling s of dirty-aggressive LET'S
BE GENEROUS, with Mark Naseef (dms), Miroslav Tadic (gtr), joachim Kuhn
(synth), and a bassist who once played for Tony Williams Lifetime (the fuzak
version). Good stuff. Nasty. (They do the weirdest deja vu cover of Eric
DOlphy's "The Prophet".) It's on CMP, so it might be O.O.P.
Some of bassist Mick Karn's work is nice, methinks. I remember liking
BESTIAL CLUSTER, I think.
Autechre's EP7 is my fave so far, though I haven't heard AMBER. I would
easily recommend it over, say, TRI-REPETAE, as my own tastes dictate.
Wanna talk about weird? Forget scrounging the bargain bins for Shatner and
Nimoy singing "Age of Aquarius", this has got to take the cake: a Peter
Kowald album with Sainkho Namchylak and PETER BROTZMANN called EXPO'S JAZZ
AND JOY, described as hip-hop/rap/jazz:
http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/labels/various/any21222.html
What?! (Actually, I haven't checked this one out yet. It may be a
delight.)
Speaking of Laswell, NPR's ALL THINGS CONSIDERED did a feature on him
earlier this week, I think. Sorry I didn't mention it, geez; I didn'y even
think to make note of it. Go search the site. He talks a bit about
circumventing the music industry via Internet, not being a business type,
etc etc.
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Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 08:12:59 -0500
From: Brian Olewnick <olewnik@idt.net>
Subject: Re: Satie was 99 lists
Tom Pratt wrote:
> Can anyone recommend a CD set of the complete Satie
> piano works? I'd like to have a definitive set on CD.
Aldo Ciccolini's recordings for Angel around 1970 are easily the finest
I've heard. The six volumes, on LP, are among my favorite recordings of
anything, period. Don't know as to the disc availability of 'em, though.
Other pianists have a tendency to take the works at a pace far too
clipped and mechanical or, conversely, too flaccid and languid for my
taste. Ciccolini strikes precisely the right balance. His version of the
fourth Nocturne remains quite possibly my favorite single piece of ear
fuel ever.
Brian Olewnick (lists in preparation)
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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 09:17:05 EST
From: Acousticlv@aol.com
Subject: koglmann, krauss, frenquencies &c.
Dear Friends,
A favor please: we're all short on time and would rather listen to music.
PLEASE only copy a pertinent phrase or sentence, not a whole letter, when
responding to someone. Thanks.
<<Franz Koglmann -- Schlaf Schlemmer, Schlaf Magritte>>
Drats! I don't know that one above. The between the lines (the label uses
lower case letters) disc is on my top ten of the year; excellent chamber jazz
with motion. Franz tells me hatHut will begin reissuing his o/p discs next
year (or is that this year, aldready?)
<<i would highly recommmmend the new briggan krauss on KF called 'descending
to end.' >>
This disc is truly excellent! Not at all the "expected" Briggan music. If
you know him live, you know he's never less than excellent. For my taste, on
disc he doesn't usually come through as well. This disc, although i admit to
only two play-thoughs so far, is wondrous noise, a far cry from the
euro-klez-folk stuff he's been most visibly involved with.
<<a physical [-triggering-strong-emotional] reaction that i cannot
rationalize away. i purely Hate hearing some of those frequencies. go
figure.>>
This makes a lot of sense. Often I'm in records shops that have an equal
amount of free and beat-oriented music. The frequencies of a lot of these
make me physically ill, not in the ear but in the stomach. This isn't a "gut
reaction" per se, LOL, but a physiological one. some of
the Ryoji Ikeda and i.s.o discs, which i own and love, make my queasy or
headachey as well.
Once decades ago, when I worked in Doubleday Books and they had a record
department, a co-worker dealing with a difficult customer put on Revuelta's
"Night of the Maya," imperceptively increasing the volume of this powerful
piece until the customer clutched his stomach and asked for a bathroom, no
joke. The evil coworker inisted it was his working his santeria. but I knew
it was just a physical reaction to those particular frequencies. Same with
some early disco music. It wasn't just musical aesthetics which made me want
to vomit everytime I heard the Gibb Brothers' "Stayin' Alive," it was those
specific discobass frequencies distorting through our transistor radios....
I wish I knew more technically and count explain it better. Anyone?
Steve Koenig
www.lafolia.com LaFolia Music Review
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Date: 09 Jan 2000 11:19:17 -0600
From: Ben Axelrad <baxelrad@dttus.com>
Subject: Aichinger/Austrians
The Aichinger consists of 21 compositions/improvisations. In the
liner notes A. writes, "While reording my solo album....I had nothing
on me but a few sheets with: motifs, themes, combinations of chords,
formal structures, specific sound figures, verbal notes as signposts
and so on." The compositions are slow and restrained, jazzy but
tending towards classical. I have trouble listening to the whole
thing from start to finish, but in small doses I really enjoy it.
I plan to order the Oskar Aichinger/Hans Steiner disc on Extraplatte
in two weeks (with my next paycheck). Has anyone heard this?
Also, can anyone offer a brief review (even something as simple as
"Very good, buy it") of the following:
Max Nagl "Daily Bullet" (f/Stangl)
Nagl/Novotny/Stangl "Lunatic Fringe"
Novotny/Stangl/... "Manoverboard"
B. Stangl "Loose Music"
One more thing: Where can I find the Ernst Jandl/VAO Extraplatte
discs? Are any of his writings besides "Thingsure" available in
English?
Thanks,
Ben
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Subject: Re: 99 lists (call for reviews)
Author: tpratt9@yahoo.com at Internet-USA
Date: 1/8/00 10:44 PM
--- JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote:
>
Could you describe the Aichinger a little?
Also, what other recordings has Stangl done?
-Tom Pratt
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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 13:58:00 -0500
From: myke cuthbert <cuthbert@hcs.harvard.edu>
Subject: Re: 99 lists (call for reviews)
tpratt9@yahoo.com wrote on Jan 8:
>
> Can anyone recommend a CD set of the complete Satie
> piano works? I'd like to have a definitive set on CD.
Audiophile Classics. 101391 (1995)
with Gorisek, Bojan and Manning, Jane.
is the only nearly complete recording I know of (10 CDs)... I don't
think anyone will release a truly complete Satie piano set any time
soon because of the problem of Vexations, Satie's piece for piano to
be repeated 840 times--usually taking from 14 to 22 hours to perform.
(I believe but am not certain that Cage was the first to publicly
perform the entire piece); I'm not sure if an excerpt is contained on
this set or not... I can go listen to it and let anyone know privately
if people are interested--it's a little off the subject of JZ.
Getting back to Zorn, a quick question: on Zohar, there's a passage
near the end of "Frog Doina" where Zorn goes pretty crazy on the
harmonium and it sounds to me like he's quoting Hindemith. Anyone
else have the feeling or able to name that tune...
Myke Cuthbert
cuthbert@hcs.harvard.edu
http://hcs.harvard.edu/~cuthbert/
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 17:30:59 -0500
From: eric ong <eso200@is5.nyu.edu>
Subject: Re: 99 lists (call for reviews)
> 1. Burkhard Stangl -- Recital. Absolutely beautiful. I also picked
> up Oskar Aichinger "Poemia" and Gal "Bestimmung." Both are also very
> good. Can anyone recommend other Durian releases?
Hi,
I don't think it's been mentioned yet, but I think the
Muhlbacher/Dafeldecker "Dipthongs" disc on Durian is also pretty great. It
might be of special interest to you as well, because Stangl's guitar is
featured along with Max Nagl (alto sax) and Radu Malfatti (trombone). To
put it crudely, I think the process behind the compositions was recording
each player and then cut and pasting the material into collages with a
computer. Hrm, perhaps a point of comparison could be the more electronic
portions of that recent Cardew "Treatise" interpretation on hatArt. I think
there are sound samples of just about all the Durian releases at
<http://www.mdos.at>.
Also, I own a lot of the Durian catalog, (I've never spent so much money on
one label in one single order before!), so if anyone's wondering about the
releases unmentioned so far, drop me a note.
- -eric.
onnow: bernard parmegiani "pop'eclectic"//plate lunch (the last track is so
luvly)
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