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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #822
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Zorn List Digest Wednesday, January 5 2000 Volume 02 : Number 822
In this issue:
-
Re: Shepic and the Commuters
Re: Shepic and the Commuters
Re: Kronos
Re: Kronos
kronos/residents/sine waves
sy on geffen
Any clue where to find COMME DES GARCONS + REMIXES?
Re: sy on geffen
Re: kronos/residents/sine waves
Re: Alvin Lucier
Re: sine waves?
Re: sine waves?
Re: Any clue where to find COMME DES GARCONS + REMIXES?
JANUARY Sale Items
Tone poem
jalal toufic (filmmaker & writer)
elegant spanking / the black glove
Re: kronos/residents/sine waves
Re: sine waves?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 12:43:36 CET
From: "Andreas Dietz" <andreasdietz@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Shepic and the Commuters
>From: King Wilson <kingwil@enteract.com>
>Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 16:09:13 -0600
>
> Brad Shepic and the Commuters are playing Chicago soon. Does
>anyone know exactly who makes up the Commuters?
>
the linup from the CD is (and I think it didn┤t change meanwhile):
BRAD SHEPIK EG G ESAZ BJ CUMBUS
PETER EPSTEIN AS SS
TONY SCHERR EB
KENNY WOLLESEN DR TYM
SEIDO SALIFOSKI DUM PER
Andreas Dietz
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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 08:55:15 -0800
From: Jason Tors <jtors@organic.com>
Subject: Re: Shepic and the Commuters
The times that I saw this group live, skuuli seversen replacing tony and [I
believe] mike sarin replacing kenny. Otherwise the group has stayed the
same, then again I have not caught them in a year or so.
If you like this group I suggest you check out Pachora, Shepik, speed,
seversen, and black.
I miss checking these guys out, anyone know if they have a web page or
upcomming shows in nyc?
>the linup from the CD is (and I think it didn=B4t change meanwhile):
>
>BRAD SHEPIK EG G ESAZ BJ CUMBUS
>PETER EPSTEIN AS SS
>TONY SCHERR EB
>KENNY WOLLESEN DR TYM
>SEIDO SALIFOSKI DUM PER
- -
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Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 13:18:35 -0500
From: Jeni Dahmus <jdahmus@juilliard.edu>
Subject: Re: Kronos
You can't really go wrong with any of the Kronos Quartet's recordings.
I must confess that Kronos is my favorite group, and I have nearly all
their CDs. Actually, I was introduced to Zorn's music through Kronos.
My first draft of this message began to look like a long, annotated
discography of sorts. Rather than take that approach, I opted to list
the CDs that I listen to the most.
In order by release date:
- - Sculthorpe/Sallinen/Glass/Nancarrow/Hendrix, 1986
Each piece is a gem. Daniel Ezralow and Morleigh Steinberg (of I'm So
Optimistic) choreographed the second movement of Sculthorpe's quartet as
a duet about new couples, entitled "I Do." Highly recommended for
modern dance fans.
- - Winter Was Hard, 1988
- - Steve Reich: Different Trains & Electric Counterpoint, 1989
- - Black Angels, 1990
- - Pieces of Africa, 1992
Skeptics should listen to Hamza El Din's Escalay and Kevin Volans' White
Man Sleeps, which was mentioned in another post.
- - Short Stories, 1993
- - Night Prayers, 1994
Especially Dmitri Yanov-Yanovsky's Lacrymosa (caution: causes one to
weep) and Franghiz Ali-Zadeh's Mugam Sayagi.
- - Performs Philip Glass, 1995
- - Osvaldo Golijov: The Dreams and Prayers of Isaac the Blind, 1997
Features David Krakauer.
- - Early Music, 1997
Includes modern but early-sounding works by David Lamb, Arvo Part, Harry
Partch, Jack Body, John Cage, Louis Hardin, and Alfred Schnittke.
- - Dracula, 1999
For more information and specific track listings, check out the Kronos
Quartet's official website (www.kronosquartet.org). Has anyone seen the
Kronos video yet? Mine is on back order.
Jeni
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 16:41:18 EST
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kronos
In a message dated Tue, 4 Jan 2000 1:04:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, Jeni Dahmus <jdahmus@juilliard.edu> writes:
> For more information and specific track listings, check out the Kronos
> Quartet's official website (www.kronosquartet.org). Has anyone seen the
> Kronos video yet? Mine is on back order.
>
> Jeni
No, but I remember seeing them a long time ago on Sanborn's _Night Music_ program.
=dg=
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 17:14:54 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: kronos/residents/sine waves
notes from a digest subscriber...
re kronos: pieces of africa is nice, but wore on me fairly quickly. it's awfully
melodic, even jingle-like i think. and short stories overall seemed fairly bland
to me. white man sleeps and winter was hard are both nice (moreso the latter),
but 4my$ the real gem is black angels. far and away their best. pretty dark and
terrifying. the crumb-composed title piece is the best thing they've done -- i
saw them perform it many years ago and it was breathtaking.
residents: is there really a 10 xtra track commercial album? what label? easide?
sine waves: i'm not as avid a listener to this world as some on the list, but
i've found it very useful in understanding noise/dark ambient and deeply atonal
electonics to quit thinking about it as music. my experience is nothing at all
like when i listen to john coltrane and i don't use it for anything like the
same purpose. but it can turn my home into an entirely different place when it's
on (loud). it clearly has an effect.
and it's clearly not for everyone. i saw yoshide play in a dark warehouse in
brooklyn last year. incredibly loud. a man completely snapped. i noticed him
start pacing, and then walking circles furiously, then going over to the door to
complain. they offered him his money back and he didn't take it -- that wasn't
enough for him. he just yelled "this isn't music. you can't do this to people."
several times before storming out. it was not the effect that something like
music, even horrible music, often has on people.
g'day,
kg
- -
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Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 17:42:31 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: sy on geffen
just heard that syouth got booted off geffen. anyone know if that's true?
disappointing if so.
kg
- -
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Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 15:10:46 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Any clue where to find COMME DES GARCONS + REMIXES?
Does anybody know where I can find the following record?
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*** - COMME DES GARCONS + REMIXES: Seigen Ono
1998 - Saidera Records/ESCB neOSITE Discs (Japan), 1908 (2xCD)
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 15:19:11 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: sy on geffen
On Tue, 04 Jan 2000 17:42:31 -0500 kurt_gottschalk@scni.com wrote:
>
>
> just heard that syouth got booted off geffen. anyone know if that's true?
> disappointing if so.
But it looks like they got quite a bit of money in the process, which
might explain the SYR releases.
Also, according to A.P., the collaboration Kim Gordon/Ikue Mori/DJ Olive
is slated on SYR.
Patrice.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 15:22:08 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: kronos/residents/sine waves
On Tue, 04 Jan 2000 17:14:54 -0500 kurt_gottschalk@scni.com wrote:
>
> residents: is there really a 10 xtra track commercial album? what label? easide?
Sure. From the Fred Frith disco on the WNUR site:
Patrice.
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
037 - COMMERCIAL ALBUM: The Residents
1/ Easter Woman 1:00
[deleted]
40/ When We Were Young 1:00
1980 - Ralph (USA), RZ 8052-L (LP)
1980 - Celluloid (France), 529807 (LP)
1980 - Celluloid (France), CEL 2 6559 (LP)
1980 - Missing Link Records (Australia), Link 9 (LP)
1980 - Missing Link Records (Australia), Linc 9 (CT)
1980 - Phonogram (Germany), 6302-081 (LP)
1980 - Pre Records (UK), PRE X 2 (LP)
1980 - RTC Records (New Zealand), RPH 002 (LP)
1988 - Torso Records (Holland), CD 413 (CD)
???? - Ralph (USA), ??? (CD)
???? - T.E.C. Tones (USA), 80524 (CT)
1988 - East Side Digital (USA), ESD 80202 (CD)
1997 - East Side Digital (USA), ESD 81282 (CD)
1997 - Bomba (Japan), 22041 (CD)
Note: the Torso Records (CD 413) and East Side Digital (ESD 80202) pressings
have 10 extra tracks (called the "Bonus Babies"):
41/ Shut Up Shut Up (The Residents) 1:04
42/ And I Was Alone (The Residents) 1:04
43/ Theme For An American TV Show (The Residents) 1:27
44/ We're A Happy Family (The Ramones) 1:11
45/ The Sleeper (The Residents) 2:58
46/ Boy In Love (The Residents) 2:56
47/ Diskomo (The Residents) 4:34
48/ Jailhouse Rock (Leiber, Stoller) 3:08
49/ This Is A Man's Man's Man's World (James Brown) 3:44
50/ Hit The Road Jack (P. Mayfield) 4:02
Note: Fred Frith plays on (41) and maybe (42).
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 17:27:03 -0600
From: Herb Levy <herb@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: Alvin Lucier
Try <http://www.lovely.com/>, the label that releases most of his stuff.
& these two distributors also have many of them:
<http://www.anomalousrecords.com> or <http://www.forcedexposure.com/>
Bests,
Herb
>I am unable to find Cd's by Alvin Lucier, could anyone tell me where
>these can be acquired.
>
> -Samuel Yrui
> thaknk you
>
>-
>
>
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- -
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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 19:22:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt9@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: sine waves?
> i'm listening to otomo yoshihide's latest tzadik
> release, 'cathode,' and cannot bear the frequencies
> at some points of it. in addition, i saw yoshihide's
> group, i.s.o., at victoriaville last year-- it was
> certainly an overwhelming introduction to sine wave
> generators and frequency exploration.
> apparently, my ears are extra sensitive. i simply
> cannot listen to some of these frequencies.
Hmm... I don't think of 'Cathode' or I.S.O. as being
particularly painful in any way. I think it's merely a
matter of getting your ears accustomed to the sounds.
I mean, that I.S.O. performance wasn't nearly as
ear-damaging as your average rock show, I don't think,
but I'm sure many found it more aggravating. I'd say
that the show probably aggravated your mind more than
it did damage your ears. It sounds like you're
intrigued by the stuff, though. I'd suggest listening
to it more.
-Tom Pratt
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- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 20:41:23 -0800
From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel)
Subject: Re: sine waves?
At 7:22 PM 1/4/00, Tom Pratt wrote:
>> i'm listening to otomo yoshihide's latest tzadik
>> release, 'cathode,' and cannot bear the frequencies
>> at some points of it. in addition, i saw yoshihide's
>> group, i.s.o., at victoriaville last year-- it was
>> certainly an overwhelming introduction to sine wave
>> generators and frequency exploration.
>> apparently, my ears are extra sensitive. i simply
>> cannot listen to some of these frequencies.
>
>Hmm... I don't think of 'Cathode' or I.S.O. as being
>particularly painful in any way. I think it's merely a
>matter of getting your ears accustomed to the sounds.
>I mean, that I.S.O. performance wasn't nearly as
>ear-damaging as your average rock show, I don't think,
>but I'm sure many found it more aggravating. I'd say
>that the show probably aggravated your mind more than
>it did damage your ears. It sounds like you're
>intrigued by the stuff, though. I'd suggest listening
>to it more.
>
> -Tom Pratt
Actually, if you suffer from tinnitus, high frequency sine waves can be
very painful. I haven't heard "Cathode" and don't find "I.S.O" painful
myself, but there are parts of Ikeda's "+/-" that are almost excruciating
to me (this after 20 years of playing in and mixing loud bands). Not that I
don't enjoy the record, I really like it, but I do have to force myself
through certain parts. My girlfriend once got physically ill from an
Elliott Sharp performance where he was playing with very high frequency
difference tones.
________________________________________________________
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"...there will come a day when you won't have to use
gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in
your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper
type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em
together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em
together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire."
-Sun Ra
________________________________________________________
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 20:54:50 -0800 (PST)
From: tosh@loop.com (Tosh)
Subject: Re: Any clue where to find COMME DES GARCONS + REMIXES?
Hi,
This is a real long shot, but you may want to try the Comme des Garcons
shop in Tokyo. Perhaps they sell it at their store...or one of the other
stores around the world. Also I believe it came out in the states. The
cd's were sold seperately.
ciao,
- -----------------
Tosh Berman
TamTam Books
tamtambooks.com
- ------------------
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 00:05:25 -0500
From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey)
Subject: JANUARY Sale Items
Hello ...
I have items FS by the following artists (and others)
at the URL at the bottom of this message. Please check
out the list and email if anything interests you.
early Ascension, Aube, Babyland, Delphium, Dumb Type,
FSOL, Jesus Lizard, Hanatarash, Masonna, Mika Vainio,
Moonshake, Romance (James Plotkin), Ryoji Ikeda,
Splintered, Total, Yoshio Ojima
Thanks for looking,
- -Patrick
pm.carey@utoronto.ca
[ http://www.astro.utoronto.ca/~carey/sofa/muse.html ]
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 00:17:16 EST
From: "ajda snyder" <freequeen@hotmail.com>
Subject: Tone poem
Technically speaking, a tone poem is a single movement programmatic work.
It's relatively long and in very free form and has a dramatic plot or is
based on a literary idea. An instrumental ballad, though, is really just a
relatively large, free-form work. So it seems like a tone poem usually has
a programme and is more structured in that it consists of a "movement".
Ajda
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Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 11:25:57 +0100
From: patRice <gda@datacomm.ch>
Subject: jalal toufic (filmmaker & writer)
fellow zornsters
jz has made a soundtrack for a film by jalal toufic; it is available on
one of the filmworks series cds.
in the liner notes, jz recommends jalal toufic's books "distracted" and
"vampires".
has anyone on the list read either one of them? any thoughts and
comments?
thanks.
patRice
np: nirvana - never mind
- -
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Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 11:27:00 +0100
From: patRice <gda@datacomm.ch>
Subject: elegant spanking / the black glove
have any of you ever actually seen either one of those films?
any comments?
thanks.
patRice
np: nirvana - never mind
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 11:19:11 +0100
From: patRice <gda@datacomm.ch>
Subject: Re: kronos/residents/sine waves
to those of you who are interested: the ten extra tracks are better
(imho) than the rest of the cd! and i already love tracks 1 to 40!!!
patRice
Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>
> On Tue, 04 Jan 2000 17:14:54 -0500 kurt_gottschalk@scni.com wrote:
> >
> > residents: is there really a 10 xtra track commercial album? what label? easide?
>
> Sure. From the Fred Frith disco on the WNUR site:
>
> Patrice.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 037 - COMMERCIAL ALBUM: The Residents
>
> 1/ Easter Woman 1:00
> [deleted]
> 40/ When We Were Young 1:00
>
> 1980 - Ralph (USA), RZ 8052-L (LP)
> 1980 - Celluloid (France), 529807 (LP)
> 1980 - Celluloid (France), CEL 2 6559 (LP)
> 1980 - Missing Link Records (Australia), Link 9 (LP)
> 1980 - Missing Link Records (Australia), Linc 9 (CT)
> 1980 - Phonogram (Germany), 6302-081 (LP)
> 1980 - Pre Records (UK), PRE X 2 (LP)
> 1980 - RTC Records (New Zealand), RPH 002 (LP)
> 1988 - Torso Records (Holland), CD 413 (CD)
> ???? - Ralph (USA), ??? (CD)
> ???? - T.E.C. Tones (USA), 80524 (CT)
> 1988 - East Side Digital (USA), ESD 80202 (CD)
> 1997 - East Side Digital (USA), ESD 81282 (CD)
> 1997 - Bomba (Japan), 22041 (CD)
>
> Note: the Torso Records (CD 413) and East Side Digital (ESD 80202) pressings
> have 10 extra tracks (called the "Bonus Babies"):
>
> 41/ Shut Up Shut Up (The Residents) 1:04
> 42/ And I Was Alone (The Residents) 1:04
> 43/ Theme For An American TV Show (The Residents) 1:27
> 44/ We're A Happy Family (The Ramones) 1:11
> 45/ The Sleeper (The Residents) 2:58
> 46/ Boy In Love (The Residents) 2:56
> 47/ Diskomo (The Residents) 4:34
> 48/ Jailhouse Rock (Leiber, Stoller) 3:08
> 49/ This Is A Man's Man's Man's World (James Brown) 3:44
> 50/ Hit The Road Jack (P. Mayfield) 4:02
>
> Note: Fred Frith plays on (41) and maybe (42).
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> -
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 08:45:17 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: sine waves?
On Tue, 4 Jan 2000 19:22:58 -0800 (PST) Tom Pratt wrote:
>
> Hmm... I don't think of 'Cathode' or I.S.O. as being
> particularly painful in any way. I think it's merely a
You can also get used to hitting your fingers with a hammer (specially when
you realize how good it is when you stop)...
Seriously, although I could bear the high pitch sounds on the first
track of CATHODE, I know of people who had serious trouble with (to the
point that I felt urged to stop it). The ear is simply not designed to
handle high pitch sounds at high level (level much higher than what the
Fletcher law dictates). I could bear them, but this has much to do with
me not being a whiner (?) than anything else (and I had a motive to deal
with it).
Patrice.
- -
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