ftp.xmission.com/2014.06.ftp.xmission.com.tar/ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/zorn-list/archive/v02.n821

Internet Message Format | 2000-01-03 | 21KB

From: [e-mail] (Zorn List Digest)
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #821
Reply-To: zorn-list
Sender: [e-mail]
Errors-To: [e-mail]
Precedence: bulk


Zorn List Digest       Tuesday, January 4 2000       Volume 02 : Number 821



In this issue:
-
       RE: the black glove
       Portsmouth Sinfonia
       Alvin Lucier in RealAudio
       Re: Kronos
       Re: Pain Killer Complete Studio Recordings
       Kronos
       Re: Kronos
       Re: help with NORWEGIAN WOOD
       Nat Adderly dies at 68
       Kronos
       RE: Kronos
       Re: Amazon
       sine waves?
       nycgigs
       Shepic and the Commuters
       What is a tone poem?
       Re: sine waves?
       Re: sine waves?
       Re: sine waves?

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 23:28:56 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail] (Benjamin Pequet)
Subject: RE: the black glove

Robert Vanheumen and Benito Vergara:
>> it's a beautiful film. great camera work. chock full of suspense,
>> and, yeah,
>> black leather, hot wax... but the atmosphere is killing.
>> don't watch it on christmas eve with the whole family...
>> so what's the URL of this mailorder site?
>
>It's at http://www.blowfish.com -- then click on the "videos" link. I'm
>tempted to purchase the vid, but I should probably buy the

Actually you should try
http://www.bleuproductions.com



- -

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 00:33:14 -0500
From: Lang Thompson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Portsmouth Sinfonia

Hi,

Does anybody have any Portsmouth Sinfonia albums that they'd be willing to
tape for me?  I've been looking for years with no luck finding any.
Contact me offlist for info and what I've got to trade.


LT
Full Alert Film Review
http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm

Funhouse
http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/funhouse.htm

- -

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 23:10:00 -0600
From: Herb Levy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Alvin Lucier in RealAudio

Lots of music by this old-time avant garde composer, including a
recording by the oft-discussed (around here, at any rate) Willie
Winant.

Available all week at
<http://www.antennaradio.com/avant/mappings/index.htm>.  The link to
the archive will get you to the .ram file for last week's Harry
Partch special.

- --

Herb Levy
NEW MAILING ADDRESS:  P O Box 9369  Forth Wort, TX  76147
NEW PHONE: [phone]
same old e-mail: [e-mail]

- -

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 16:11:07 +0100
From: patRice <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Kronos

hi rob

personally, i prefer the "older" stuff. "winter was hard" i enjoyed.
also one, as far as i remember, called "short stories". the latter with
compositions by zorn, e. sharp, and others. haven't listened to it for
quite a while, but i think track 2 was mind-blowing. they have one cd
out they did with some african musicians and composers; that one sucks
big time imho.

patRice


Rob Allaert wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm getting ready for the music of the Kronos Quartet. Can some of you give
> me some info on their catalogue and their styles. What albums are "must
> haves"?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rob, Belgium
>
> -

- -

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 16:14:06 +0100
From: patRice <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Pain Killer Complete Studio Recordings

hi neil

be very careful with the track listings on amazon e.g.!

i ordered a copy of the residents' "commercial album" with ten extra
tracks; i knew the cd is available, amazon had those extra tracks listed
- - but i got the other issue; the one w/o those extra tracks.=20
=20
as far as i know, there is only one version of "painkiller complete
studio recordings" out. why not check the tzadik site?

hope this helps.

patRice


Neil H. Enet wrote:
>=20
> Hello to all and happy new year.
> I was browsing in several CD internet shops (Amazon, CDNOW, Borders,
> etc.) and there were=A0different listings of the tracks in the PAIN
> KILLER Complete Studio Recordings Box Set.=A0 For example, some feature
> the Marianne track and some don't.=A0=A0So, are there different version=
s
> or can I go ahead and buy the cheapest? :-)

- -

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 07:40:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Peter Risser <[e-mail]>
Subject: Kronos

To start with Kronos, I would suggest your first
purchase be Winter Was Hard.  This has shorter pieces
by numerous composers, including the classic by Zorn,
Forbidden Fruit.

Also great pieces by Bartok, Webern, Arvo Part, Terry
Riley, Samuel Barber and I think Piazzolla among
others.

After that, I'd suggest Black Angels and White Man
Sleeps as the next top two.
Also I really like Five Tangos with Astor Piazzolla.

After that, you're on your own.  :)
__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.
http://messenger.yahoo.com

- -

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 10:41:33 -0500
From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Kronos

patRice wrote:
> they have one cd
> out they did with some african musicians and composers; that one sucks
> big time imho.

Just to offer an alternative opinion, I think "Pieces of Africa", the
album in question, is superb. Granted, the pieces are far more melodic
and rhythmic than much of the rest of Kronos' repertoire and I could
imagine some finding them "world musicky", but I hear them as joyful,
gorgeous compositions. The Kevin Volans work especially.

Brian Olewnick

NP: Ornette, "New York Is Now"

- -

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 09:03:58 -0600
From: Herb Levy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: help with NORWEGIAN WOOD

Hi folks,

I was surprised to see Patrice's request when I got the Zorn digest,
cause I've just completed a Mappings show that'll go online next
week, including some of Aki Takahashi's commissioned arrangements of
Beatles songs, Guy Klucevsek's commissioned polkas and Yvar
Mikhashoff's commissioned
tangos<http://www.antennaradio.com/avant/mappings/index.htm>. It's
about thirty tracks in all.

Aki Takahashi commissioned more than forty composers to do
arrangements and/or works inspired by Beatles songs.  Her aim was to
have at least one composer from every country in which there are
contemporary composers working. I have 2 of the 3 CDs she recorded of
these works.

The list of composers Patrice cites for Norwegian Wood is incorrect.
This MAY be the list of composers on Hyper-Beatles 2, though Curran &
Klucevsek have works on Hyper-Beatles & Norwegian Wood, respectively
- - so this could be a list of works performed at a particular concert.
I've never seen Hyper-Beatles 2 (& if anyone has any leads in getting
a copy, I'd really appreciate it) so I'm not sure.

Only one of the CDs was released in the States: Hyper-Beatles, the
disc that Anomalous has in stock & the composer list is correct
there.  The Cage piece is a chance-derived collage of excerpts from
the piano music collection entitled The Beatles 1962-1970, which is
also the name of Cage's composition, it's written for eight pianos &
Takahashi overdubs all the parts.  The Rzewski is called "Short
Fantasy on 'Give Peace a Chance'" and it's similar to many of his
solo piano works.

The third CD, Norwegian Wood, includes Guy Klucevsek's Monk's
Intermezzo, which is what I assume drew Patrice's active attention,
as it wasn't previously included in his discography of Klucevsek's
work. (Sorry Patrice, I've had the CD for years & forgot about it
when I sent you other Klucevsek references before.) This CD also
includes an arrangement by Lois V Vierk, whose Tzadik disc still
hasn't been released, and works by Michael Finnissy, Jaroslaw
Kapuscinski, John King, Bunita Marcus,  Akemi Naito, Akira Nashimura,
Shigeki Saegusa,  Kevin Volans, Christian Wolff, and Joji Yuasa.

Bests,

Herb
- --

Herb Levy
NEW MAILING ADDRESS:  P O Box 9369  Forth Wort, TX  76147
NEW PHONE: [phone]
same old e-mail: [e-mail]

- -

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 11:30:15 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Nat Adderly dies at 68

By The Associated Press
Nat Adderly
LAKELAND, Fla. (AP) - Nat Adderley, a member of the Jazz Hall of Fame who played
on nearly 100 albums, died on Sunday of complications from diabetes. He was 68.
Inducted into the Hall of Fame in Kansas City in 1997, the Florida-born
cornetist first came to prominence with his older brother, bebop saxophonist
Julian "Cannonball" Adderley, in the 1950s.
The composer of such jazz standards as "Work Song" and "Jive Samba," Nat
Adderley was known for recordings by his own group and with his late brother's
Cannonball Adderley Quintet.
Since Cannonball's death in 1975, Nat had led his own quintets. His most notable
sidemen were altoists Sonny Fortune and Vincent Herring.
In 1997, he joined the faculty of Florida Southern College as artist in
residence. He had also headlined and hosted the school's annual "Child of the
Sun Jazz Festival" for more than 10 years.



- -

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 09:03:16 -0800 (PST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?A?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: Kronos

I┤ve heard a few times now that Black Angels is probably their best
recording-piece-whatever.
I have Pieces of Africa, I got an used copy about a year ago for
about 4 bucks. It┤s not bad, but it┤s African music, an acquired
taste which is not entirely of my liking. But it has its moments for
sure.
A
__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.
http://messenger.yahoo.com

- -

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 15:26:08 -0300
From: Linares Hugo <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Kronos

> patRice wrote:
> > they have one cd
> > out they did with some african musicians and composers; that one sucks
> > big time imho.
>

    Brian Olewnick wrote:

> Just to offer an alternative opinion, I think "Pieces of Africa", the
> album in question, is superb. Granted, the pieces are far more melodic
> and rhythmic than much of the rest of Kronos' repertoire and I could
> imagine some finding them "world musicky", but I hear them as joyful,
> gorgeous compositions. The Kevin Volans work especially.
>
    [Linares Hugo]

    Seconded. "Pieces of Africa" is outstanding. Don't miss it!

    Hugo

- -

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 15:35:57 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Amazon

- --part1_0.56d95763.25a2622d_boundary
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

<<
 In a message dated 1/3/00 10:14:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, [e-mail]
 writes:

 << be very careful with the track listings on amazon e.g.! >>

 Speaking of which, has anyone ordered from W3CD.com? What is the order fill
 rate and shipping time like? I'd appreciate any feedback about them.

 Thanks!

 Dale.

  >>


- --part1_0.56d95763.25a2622d_boundary
Content-Type: message/rfc822
Content-Disposition: inline

Return-Path: <[e-mail]>
Received: from  rly-yd03.mx.aol.com (rly-yd03.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.3]) by
    air-yd05.mail.aol.com (v67.7) with ESMTP; Mon, 03 Jan 2000 15:13:34
    -0500
Received: from  netcom.com (netcom9.netcom.com [199.183.9.109]) by
    rly-yd03.mx.aol.com (v67.7) with ESMTP; Mon, 03 Jan 2000 15:13:25
    -0500
Received: (from rizzi@localhost)
    by netcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28439
    for [e-mail]; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:13:09 -0800 (PST)
From: "m. rizzi" <[e-mail]>
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Amazon
To: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:13:08 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]> from "[e-mail]" at Jan 03,
    2000 10:40:57 AM
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2]
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


    Hello,

    This message did not go to the members of the
    zorn-list because it was sent to the address
        [e-mail]
    instead of
        [e-mail]
    where messages sent to fellow list members
    should be addressed.

    You may want to resend your original message.

    Thanks,
    mike rizzi
    zorn-list owner

In a message dated 1/3/00 10:14:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< be very careful with the track listings on amazon e.g.! >>

Speaking of which, has anyone ordered from W3CD.com? What is the order fill
rate and shipping time like? I'd appreciate any feedback about them.

Thanks!

Dale.


- --part1_0.56d95763.25a2622d_boundary--

- -

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 16:17:31 -0600
From: "Joslyn Layne" <[e-mail]>
Subject: sine waves?

hello everybody~

 i'm wondering if someone can please help me understand the sine wave
element of music that has arisen fairly recently.
 i'm listening to otomo yoshihide's latest tzadik release, 'cathode,' and
cannot bear the frequencies at some points of it. in addition, i saw
yoshihide's group, i.s.o., at victoriaville last year-- it was certainly an
overwhelming introduction to sine wave generators and frequency exploration.
 apparently, my ears are extra sensitive. i simply cannot listen to some of
these frequencies. it's like the magnified whine of a thousand computer
monitors taken higher and higher; it strikes me as some kind of endurance
test of pain.
 as fascinating as i.s.o. was, and although i had excellent earplugs, the
frequencies made me want to scream and i had to walk out. and i was pretty
much the only one who did so. so obviously most people do not seem to
experience sine waves this negatively. yet i don't know anyone who listens
to sound experimentation, so i'm asking you folk:

- -how does it sound to you?

- -what is this area/new movement of frequency exploration all about?

i appreciate any feedback/information you can offer..


    joslyn



- -

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 16:31:51 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: nycgigs

to the person looking for upcoming gigs in nyc -- or anyone interested, for that
matter -- the best listings i know of can be found at <www.users.interport.net/
~eye/jazznyc.html>. better than any of the local print media. have a good trip.



- -

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 16:09:13 -0600
From: King Wilson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Shepic and the Commuters

   Brad Shepic and the Commuters are playing Chicago soon.  Does
anyone know exactly who makes up the Commuters?




























                                read icculus

- -

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 13:15:58 -0800
From: [e-mail]
Subject: What is a tone poem?

Will someone explain to me exactly what is a tone poem? How, for
instance, is it different from a ballad?

I have a vague sort of notion that a tone poem is a series of melodic
notes unbroken by phrases, but I realize I have no clear and certain
understanding.

Thanks.

Martin

- -

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 23:06:36 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: sine waves?

In a message dated 1/3/00 4:15:37 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< so obviously most people do not seem to

experience sine waves this negatively. yet i don't know anyone who listens

to sound experimentation, so i'm asking you folk:


- -how does it sound to you?


- -what is this area/new movement of frequency exploration all about? >>

hmmm, I'm not really sure how to answer this but I feel like I should try,
especially because no one else has.

I find sine waves (if they're used well, i.e. Ikeda's +/-, the ISO record on
Alcohol, Cathode) quite pleasurable. I feel like they open up my ears to a
wider range of sounds and make them more sensitive to detail. if they're used
poorly or nonmusically (i.e. the Filament CD on Extreme), they're quite
annoying, but so is any bad music.

I'm not quite sure how much else I can add, except that music that I can't
listen to without starting to feel sick tends to be show tunes or other
mainstream music (not all mainstream music, just the most insipid stuff).
part of it, for me anyway, is conditioning your ears, but I'm sure part of
it, maybe all of it for you, is a physical reaction that is out of your
control. unfortunately for you, I think this sine wave aesthetic is going to
seep more and more into different styles of music as this new decade
progresses. but I'm sure it'll never be hard to find sine-wave-free records,
so just stick to those.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

- -

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 04:40:07 -0500
From: eric ong <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: sine waves?

<<-what is this area/new movement of frequency exploration all about? >>
>
>hmmm, I'm not really sure how to answer this but I feel like I should try,
>especially because no one else has.
>
>I find sine waves (if they're used well, i.e. Ikeda's +/-, the ISO record on
>Alcohol, Cathode) quite pleasurable. I feel like they open up my ears to a
>wider range of sounds and make them more sensitive to detail. if they're
used
>poorly or nonmusically (i.e. the Filament CD on Extreme), they're quite
>annoying, but so is any bad music.

[eo]: well, i think some of it has to do with making music that is not
acculturated (yet). i've never actually heard Sachiko M's "memory-free"
sampler, but i find the whole concept kind of intriguing. one must admit
that there's a certain purity in sine wave music that frees it from
associations, which even hardcore minimalism like Noto can't achieve -- the
specter of techno is almost always looming in the background.

along these lines, i think a composer of a record like cathode seems to be
trying to re-contextualize by using the sine wave as a ground zero (no pun
intended?), where one can/has to breathe some fresh air into the matter at
hand. i realize many will view cathode as otomo's attempt to shoot these
acoustic instruments into the future -- through some kind of clash? -- but
to do so he first has to loosen them from their base.

i probably should have begun with the disclaimer that i didn't really have
anything interesting to say in this post. :-)  please pardon, it's 4:30
a.m. right now.

happy new year all
eric




- -

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 06:46:01 -0500
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: sine waves?

At 04:17 PM 1/3/00 -0600, Joslyn Layne wrote:
>
>-what is this area/new movement of frequency exploration all about?

Sine waves have long been considered a valid starting point for sonic
exploration because the sine wave is considered to be the 'purest'
waveform.  Stockhausen used sine waves in his earliest electronic pieces
(in the early 1950s) for this reason, considering that he would only use
more complex sounds after he had mastered the simple ones.  In practice, I
don't think it panned out for Stockhausen.  I've never actually heard the
two studies he did with sine waves, but KS considered them a failure
because he found himself unable to compose sufficiently 'interesting'
pieces (although this may address more the available technology in 1950).
The motivation of the contemporary sine wave composers may be similar with
respect to the purity of the sine wave.

- --
Caleb Deupree
[e-mail]

It is pretty obvious that the debasement of the human mind caused by a
constant flow of fraudulent advertising is no trivial thing.  There is more
than one way to conquer a country.

- -- Raymond Chandler

- -

------------------------------

End of Zorn List Digest V2 #821
*******************************


 To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to
       "[e-mail]"
 with
       "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest"
 in the body of the message.

 For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send
 "help" to the same address.  Do not use quotes in your message.

 A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to
 subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest"
 in the commands above with "zorn-list".

 Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in
 pub/lists/zorn-list/archive.  These are organized by date.

 Problems? Email the list owner at [e-mail]