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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #817
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Zorn List Digest Friday, December 17 1999 Volume 02 : Number 817
In this issue:
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Re: CDRs'
Re: I buy Spy vs. Spy / RECORDING STUFF FOR OTHERS
Re: I buy Spy vs. Spy / RECORDING STUFF FOR OTHERS
Re[2]: I buy Spy vs. Spy / RECORDING STUFF FOR OTHERS
Re: promos
Re: PROMO: Thomas Lehn/Gerry Hemingway-Tom & Gerry
Re: CD-R
Re: CD-R
Re: sad state
Online music discounts...
Re: promos
funny article
RECORDING STUFF FOR OTHERS
Otomo Yoshihide?
RE: RECORDING STUFF FOR OTHERS
SY outside NY
Re: SY outside NY
Re: Otomo Yoshihide?
Wim Mertens
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 19:44:07 +0100
From: patRice <gda@datacomm.ch>
Subject: Re: CDRs'
Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>
> On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:06:05 -0800 (PST) Theo Klaase wrote:
> >
> >
> > Like Patrice, if I ask someone to record a CDR for
> ^^^^^^^^^
>
> You mean PatRice, right?
>
> Patrice (who is amazed that people can look for CDR of Masada...).
>
> -
hey Patrice
it's not PatRice
it's patRice!
slight different...
sorry to everybody who feels this is/was an unnecessary mail!
patRice
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:21:18 -0500
From: Dan Hewins <dan@synsolutions.com>
Subject: Re: I buy Spy vs. Spy / RECORDING STUFF FOR OTHERS
Pat,
I hope this didn't come up because of my recent CDR offer of Masada
at Warsaw... You know that what I offered to the list was a live
recording, not a for-sale CD, right?
Dan Hewins
>fellow zornsters
>
>this kind of brings up a subject that's been bugging me for some time
>now.
>
>what are your opinions on taping or cd-ring music for other people?
>especially stuff that is still in print and easily available.
>
>if sthg is out of print, i don't mind recording it for a friend.
>
>but, e.g., if somebody asks me to cdr a tzadik release for them, i would
>kind of feel too bad doing it. i feel that artists need the support (and
>money so they can keep on developing and working on their thing), and
>would also prefer if people actually bought my recordings rather than
>copying them. (this is sometimes hard to explain to people who ask you
>to tape sthg for them; they usually think there's sthg wrong with you.)
>
>if i ask someone to tape sthg for me, i will eventually buy it anyway if
>i like it. if i don't like it, i simply erase the tape.
>
>what if you know the person asking you to record sthg for them simply
>can't afford to buy their own cds? wouldn't it be great if they could
>still listen to all this great stuff we all love so much, if we could
>share the experience with them? therefore would it be okay if you
>recorded it for them? (since they would otherwise not be exposed to this
>kind of music at all.)
>
>maybe this all sounds a little silly to you. but it's been bugging me.
>i'd really like to know other people's opinions on this.
>
>i know, i could always go out and buy another copy of a recording i
>already have and simply give it to the person as a present. that would
>solve my problem, but keep me from buying more stuff for myself. (no, i
>am not selfish at all... ;-) )
>
>looking forward to your thoughts!
>
>patRice
>listening to these days: jz "taboo and exile", miles davis "kind of
>blue", iron maiden "piece of mind", the max roach trio "feat. the
>legendary hasaan", caetano veloso & gal costa "domingo", kenny dorham
>"una mas"
>books i'm reading/looking at: miles davis autobiography, haruki murakami
>"hard-boiled wonderland", ? "the tattoo murder case", sandi fellman "the
>japanese tattoo"
>
>-
- -
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:41:23 EST
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Re: I buy Spy vs. Spy / RECORDING STUFF FOR OTHERS
In a message dated 12/16/99 10:39:55 AM Eastern Standard Time,
gda@datacomm.ch writes:
<< what are your opinions on taping or cd-ring music for other people?
especially stuff that is still in print and easily available. >>
First of all, I'd never ask anyone to dupe an entire CD for me. Likewise, I
would not copy an entire CD for anyone else. I'm not trying to sound
"holier-than-thou"- this is just the way I feel. That taken into
consideration, I *would* however, accept a compilation of something by an
artist or group, so as to get a good feel for the sound. In these days of
$16 CDs, going out and buying an album by an artist or group solely based on
a 15-second RealAudio file heard on Amazon.com is a rare moment indeed.
There are far more CDs I wish to add to my library that I'm already familiar
with than to take chances such as this.
While we're at it, there is one thing that puzzles me. Though i've not seen
it here, I've noticed on some NGs and elists that with some people, there is
an acceptance in trading cassette copies of full CDs. However these same
people frown on CDR copies of the same. Never understood the logic behind
this...
np: Barbed- (unduplicateable symbols)
=dg=
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:45:48 -0500
From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu
Subject: Re[2]: I buy Spy vs. Spy / RECORDING STUFF FOR OTHERS
dgasque wrote:
>There are far more CDs I wish to add to my library that I'm already familiar
>with than to take chances such as this.
Interesting. I'm pretty sure I could count on the fingers of one hand the number
of times over the last five years that I've purchased a CD (aside from reissues
of old releases) where I had heard _anything_ on it prior to the purchase!
Brian Olewnick
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:30:51 -0600 (CST)
From: Paul Audino <psaudino@interaccess.com>
Subject: Re: promos
On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 wlt4@mindspring.com wrote:
> What I was referring to is that promo copies sent out by major labels are still considered property of
> the labels (thus the markings on many of them) so that they don't pay royalties on something they
> haven't actually sold.
Perhaps this story might amuse you:
I had a teacher in college who did radio promotion. His job basically
consisted of taking a bunch of records each week around to various radio
stations and trying to convince the program directors of each station to
add the song to the station's playlist.
One time, he was having a very difficult time with one particular radio
station. In fact, the program director would refuse to even meet with him
despite the fact that my teacher was working for one of the major record
companies.
This quickly grew to be very frustrating, especially since getting a
record added is next to imposssible unless you can convince the program
director. So my teacher devised a plan...
The following week he returned to the offices of the radio station told
the receptionist, "Hi, my name is ______, and I work for _______. I'm
here to pick up all of the promo copies that we've sent you. Every single
one. That includes each and every promo that we've sent you over the
years. They are the legal property of my company, and I want them back.
Right now."
Needless to say, he was granted a regular audience with the program
director from that point on ;)
paul
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:59:57 -0500
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Subject: Re: PROMO: Thomas Lehn/Gerry Hemingway-Tom & Gerry
At 12:03 PM 12/16/99 EST, JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote:
>
>Tom & Gerry is a rare chance to hear Hemingway in a largely electroacoustic
>setting.
Rare but not unique. The Hemingway electroacoustic album on Random
Acoustics is a pretty interesting solo set, including some pieces for tape,
pieces for tape and percussion, and I think a piece for percussion and live
electronics. Nice to see him continue with that work on this set (which
I'm looking forward to hearing).
- --
Caleb Deupree
cdeupree@erinet.com
It is pretty obvious that the debasement of the human mind caused by a
constant flow of fraudulent advertising is no trivial thing. There is more
than one way to conquer a country.
- -- Raymond Chandler
- -
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 18:09:48 EST
From: DRoyko@aol.com
Subject: Re: CD-R
In a message dated 99-12-16 14:24:48 EST, you write:
>Patrice (who is amazed that people can look for CDR of Masada...).
If you mean CD-Rs of commercial Masada releases, I'm with you, and my
"commercial" CD-R collection, with one exception of a long-out-of-print CD,
is made up exclusively of CD-R dubs of out-of-print LPs from my own
collection that have never been transfered to CD, which I believe is not only
OK ethically but perfectly legal. But when it comes to live boots, I actually
would like to hear some high quality live Masdada CD-Rs. I actually do a
little live CD-R trading, but it has only been of progressive
bluegrass/newgrass types, of musicians who approve or encourage taping and
trading of their live music. I've never sought out (publicly) live Masada
CD-Rs (up until now, I guess) because my feeling is JZ is not someone who
looks favorably upon unauthorized live performances of his circulating.
Funny, this mirrors a thread going on right now over in RMB.
Dave Royko
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:24:57 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: CD-R
On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 18:09:48 EST DRoyko@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 99-12-16 14:24:48 EST, you write:
> >Patrice (who is amazed that people can look for CDR of Masada...).
I was kind of joking because I cannot understand that people, after 15
legit Masada releases, still need more :-). I am one of the few, it seems,
who had a hard time to through the first Masada. I might even have two
or three Masada's that I never opened (but I am not proud to say that).
I don't know of any project (except in the mainstream music) that could
create such excitement after... 15 releases. Not to mention that the
music is quite consistent from the first to the last.
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 19:07:27 -0500
From: "Rick Lopez" <bb10k@velocity.net>
Subject: Re: sad state
>
>here are the top ten selling jazz records of the year, according to the year-end
>issue of billboard which will be coming out next week, just in case anyone
>wanted to feel alone in the world.
>
>1. "Classics In The Key Of G," Kenny G. Arista.
>2. "Kenny G Greatest Hits," Kenny G. Arista.
>3. "Body Language," Boney James. Warner Bros.
>4. "From Q With Love," Quincy Jones. Qwest/Warner Bros.
>5. "The Song Lives On," Joe Sample feat. Lalah Hathaway. PRA/GRP/VG.
>6. "Pleasures Of The Night," Will Downing & Gerald Albright. Verve Forecast/VG.
>7. "For You," Kirk Whalum. Warner Bros.
>8. "Morning Tenderness," Najee. Verve Forecast/VG.
>9. "The Jazzmaster 3," Paul Hardcastle. Trippin 'N' Rhythm/Push/V2.
>10. "Topaz," The Rippingtons feat. Russ Freeman. Peak/Windham Hill Jazz/Windham
>Hill.
Well, yuh, but...
What are the top ten selling JAZZ records of the year?
I mean what would they be, and what would the total sold be? What about the
new Mat Maneri Trio, how many of those do we think will sell in a year? I'm
honestly curious. New Cecil on FMP? New release of "Into Sometin'" on Blue
Note? Etcetera.
A jazz mentor of mine I'd not seen in some time asked who I was listening
to, and this was maybe 18 months ago-- I said CECIL TAYLOR, and he said:
"Oh. Well, maybe one in ten thousand get to that point..."
As if he knew the actual number...(!)
Out here, wondering,
RL
Marilyn Crispell, Susie Ibarra, William Parker, Sam Rivers, Matthew Shipp,
David S. Ware, and Reggie Workman Discographies--Samuel Beckett
Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops--LOVETORN--HARD BOIL--etc.,
at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k
UPDATE August 20, 1999:
vids, a few CDs, baseball books, a few Cadence back issues, a few more
CDs...
***Very Various For Sale:
***http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/4SALE.html
- -
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:55:21 EST
From: "ajda snyder" <freequeen@hotmail.com>
Subject: Online music discounts...
Hello. I've been on this list since May or so and I've recently become a
rep for Insound.com, an online music store. They carry a lot of indie music
(including avant-garde/jazz)as well as zines and even musical gear. There's
a section of the site that has vinyl,etc. called the Annex. If you order
from the Annex section between now and the end of January you get 10% off
your order with the following code:
85969z758vb590
This is my rep code and I thought I'd offer it to fellow Zornlisters. Let
others know if you like what you see. BTW, shipping is always FREE with
Insound.
Thanks, now back to the promo discussion.
A. Snyder
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 04:13:07 EST
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Re: promos
While we're on the above subject, i've never understood the reasoning behind
putting "bonus" material on promos that is not included on the regular
releases. Considering that these CDs are not made for the general public's
ownership, this practice sure looks like an encouraging reason for the public
to search such items out.
=dg=
- -
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:15:45 +0200
From: "Jeroen de Boer" <J.T.de.Boer@let.rug.nl>
Subject: funny article
I translated the following article appearing in the Volkskrant of
today.
Best wishes,
Jeroen
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Volkskrant (Dutch major newspaper), December 17, 1999
SAXOPHONE PLAYER LIVES SHORTER THAN REST OF THE BAND
Jazzmusicians playing the saxophone die significantly earlier than
their fellow musicians. They can reduce their chance to die by playing
another instrument every now and then, or by working their way up to
being bandleader.
This is written by British social-physician Sanjay Kinra and
scholar-scientist Mona Okasha in an article headlined `Unsafe Sax` in
the special Christmas-issue of the British Medical Journal. Kindra, a
jazz enthusiast, and Okasha, unraveled the biographies of 813
jazzmusicians, born between January 1, 1882 and June 30, 1974. By now
43 percent of these musicians has died.
Kindra and Okasha found that saxophone-, trumpet- and clarinetplayers
run a higher risk to die than drummers, pianists, violinists and
singers.
The reason of their early death isn`t found by the authors. They
propose that breathingtechniques could be involved. To be able to play
long solos the saxophone player has to blow and inhale (through the
nose) at the same time. By reason of the high pressure in the
head-neck area the blood service to the brain could be decreased, or
blood vessels in the brain could be cut off by a blood pellet.
Kindra and Okasha note that a prolonged exposure to sigarettesmoke
can`t be the cause; after all jazzbands always perform in smokey
spaces.
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jeroen de Boer
co-initiator Cyberslag Foundation
music director Open Electronic Festival
Munnekeholm 10
9711JA Groningen, The Netherlands
tel. 031 (0)503637513
fax. 031 (0)503632209
J.T.de.Boer@let.rug.nl
usva-th1@bureau.rug.nl
url: http://www.cyberslag.com
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:30:36 -0800 (PST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?A?= <Enfermo@rocketmail.com>
Subject: RECORDING STUFF FOR OTHERS
I think taping isn┤t such a bad thing, as long as you┤re not making
any profits with it, it┤s like making copies for my friends, which I
do a lot, I think that has more to do with spreading good music
around, it┤s no big deal for me anyway.
__________________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:30:15 -0500
From: amarks@dspt.com
Subject: Otomo Yoshihide?
From: Andrew Marks@DSPT on 12/17/99 12:30 PM
I saw this at CDNow, anybody head it/know what it is?
Otomo Yoshihide/Ian Kerkhof, Shabondama Elegy
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 16:22:15 -0300
From: Linares Hugo <hulinare@bemberg.com.ar>
Subject: RE: RECORDING STUFF FOR OTHERS
> I think taping isn=B4t such a bad thing, as long as you=B4re not =
making
> any profits with it, it=B4s like making copies for my friends, which =
I
> do a lot, I think that has more to do with spreading good music
> around, it=B4s no big deal for me anyway.
>=20
>=20
I disagree with this; by chance, don't you think your friends could
be possible buyers or consumers of this stuff?
That is to say: money for musicians.
I mean: the most you record, the less money (profit) musicians will
get.=20
Just my peso.
Hugo =20
> _____________________________________________
>=20
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 99 15:01:03 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: SY outside NY
jess wondering, with all the talk here lately of the new sonic youth recording,
what kind of distribution do the syr discs get out in the rest of the world. are
you as likely to find 'goodbye 20th century' as you are 'a thousand leaves' in
dubuque?
kg
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 23:51:06 +0100
From: poholsen@online.no
Subject: Re: SY outside NY
I saw two copies of the album under the Metal section in my towns
store. Small town, tiny store. In other words, they must fairly good
distribution. It only has albums that are fairly well-known and
almost certainly instant-selling. That and "Hold that Tiger" are the
only Sonic Youth albums they have in store though. Apparently
they usually buy one batch of CD's, then you'll have to order them
for the store to take them back in stock.
Oh, this is in a rather small town in south-east Norway.
- -=D8ystein
- -----
In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and
been widely regarded as a bad move.
- - Douglas Adams
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 18:01:06 EST
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: Otomo Yoshihide?
In a message dated 12/17/99 12:31:35 PM, amarks@dspt.com writes:
<< I saw this at CDNow, anybody heard it/know what it is?
Otomo Yoshihide/Ian Kerkhof, Shabondama Elegy >>
haven't heard it, or heard of it before, but according to his web site
(http://www2.gol.com/users/miyuki/yotomo/yotomodisco.html), it's a movie
soundtrack he composed, and Kerkhof is the director.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 20:04:17 EST
From: KWaltuch@aol.com
Subject: Wim Mertens
I was wondering if anyone out there, in the highly informed and intellectual
crowd, could recommend any Wim Mertens titles to me. I own "Sources of
Sleeplessness" and "Motives for Writing", both of which I like a great deal.
His albums tend to be quite expensive, and I've struck out several times, as
his styles are so broad. Please write back to my address with any
suggestions or input.
If you haven't heard of Mertens, he's a Belgian minimalist composer very
worth checking out.
thanks,
karen
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