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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:16:06 -0500
From: wlt4@mindspring.com
Subject: Re: umezu/home taping
>it's difficult for me to get too high-n-mighty on this point since i do fairly
>regularly scour the used bins, which does a musician no more good >than taping a record.
Except that for used records (books/videos/whatever) the musician or at least copyright holder has in fact already been paid (or in the case of resold promotional items, deliberately forgone payment).
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:26:27 EST
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: umezu/home taping
In a message dated 12/16/99 12:16:40 PM, wlt4@mindspring.com writes:
<< >it's difficult for me to get too high-n-mighty on this point since i do
fairly
>regularly scour the used bins, which does a musician no more good >than
taping a record.
Except that for used records (books/videos/whatever) the musician or at least
copyright holder has in fact already been paid (or in the case of resold
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:14:46 EST
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: hojok
In a message dated 12/16/99 12:56:55 PM, tpratt9@yahoo.com writes:
<< Buy the CD 'Shamanistic Ceremonies Of The Eastern
Seaboard' performed by the Kim Suk Chul Ensemble to
hear some serious, serious shit. It's part of the JVC
World Sounds series and has been one of my favorite
recordings since I came across it a year or so ago. >>
I second this suggestion, assuming you can find it. Tom turned me on to this
one a few months back, and it sounds like a great, lost free jazz record.
obviously, that's an oversimplification and filtered through my Western
sensibility, but it's really good.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:08:00 -0500
From: Diego Gruber <dgruber@uio.satnet.net>
Subject: RECORDING STUFF FOR OTHERS
Well i think i oughta say something about this.
> what if you know the person asking you to record sthg for them simply
> can't afford to buy their own cds? wouldn't it be great if they could
> still listen to all this great stuff we all love so much, if we could
> share the experience with them? therefore would it be okay if you
> recorded it for them? (since they would otherwise not be exposed to this
> kind of music at all.)
And this is exactly my case. That's why i asked preferably for a used copy
of the cd. I didn't lie when i said it is 'almost' impossible to get stuff
by ZOrn in Ecuador. There is though, a copy of Spy in Tower, but it's so
ridicoulosly expensive it'd take a third part of my salary. If one of you
knows somehting about latinamerican economics and especially Ecuador's,
you'd know what i'm talking about. i appreciate very much the help of ppl
who make this music available for me, cause i have an addiction towards it,
that i can't please. i wonder how frustated you'd all be living somewhere in
this situation.
That is why i do tapes to many friends here, if it is hard for me, when i'm
in a better economical position, and know more ppl, they would have never
known of this music in their lives (most probably). I think instead of doing
bad to this part of the music industry, i'm doing good in spreading the word
that with a lot of hope will one day be enough to create a small market, big
enough to persuade record stores to bring this music here.
D
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:22:46 -0500
From: wlt4@mindspring.com
Subject: promos
>process. but "deliberately forgone payment"? it's one thing if a >record label
>sends out promos, the recipient listens to it, decides it's not for >them, and
What I was referring to is that promo copies sent out by major labels are still considered property of the labels (thus the markings on many of them) so that they don't pay royalties on something they haven't actually sold. Probably "deliberately" wasn't the right word since it implies intentions or even knowledge on the part of the musicians but the point I was trying to make is that these musicians have by their choice become part of a process where they won't be paid for these promos. (Whether in fact they even realize this doesn't matter.) Since the whole discussion was about taping albums, just wanted to point out the difference between buying a used CD and copying it for a friend.
On a more general note, the politics behind promos is something rarely discussed. Like most writers, I get lots of them (less so this year since I'm just now finishing an unplanned break from reviewing) and am often surprised at how much effort and money goes into these. In several cases I've requested that promos NOT be sent but still get them on the reasoning, sometimes stated upfront, that the publicist thinks I might still like it given a chance. (And yes I have on occasion actually returned a few if it was an indie label.) I read somewhere that record industry publicists consider a 10 percent return on mail-outs (ie one review for every ten promos sent) to be a huge success. This seems like an enormous waste the majors apparently don't care (witness the traffic in so-called back-door goods where employees are given literally boxes of new releases which generally end up at used CD stores) and the indies often feel like they need to do this to compete in whatever marke!
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t they're in. Don't know that I have much point to this since without promos I certainly would be doing very little music writing (actually I'm far more annoyed that so much of the music press follows the label emphasis and focuses almost exclusively on new releases).
LT
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