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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #815
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Zorn List Digest Thursday, December 16 1999 Volume 02 : Number 815
In this issue:
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Re: godard: box set?
Re: godard: box set?/SFT
Godard box set
Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #814
Re:Super Roots series
RE: godard: box set?
Ventura CA Music Saturday +
the black glove
Zorn CDR offer (blanks and postage)
Re: Zorn CDR offer (blanks and postage) **CLOSED**
RE: the black glove
michael cain
DAVID SHEA DISCOGRAPHY: version 1.0
Re: michael cain
Super Roots 5
Kazutoki Umezu
Re: Kazutoki Umezu
Re: Kazutoki Umezu
Re: I buy Spy vs. Spy / RECORDING STUFF FOR OTHERS
Re: Kazutoki Umezu / AKIRU klezmer band
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 20:16:42 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: godard: box set?
Tosh wrote:
> Oh this sounds great! I can imagine what the cd box consists of...I do
> think Godard is perhaps one of the great sound artists working in the
> cinema today. I also admire David Lynch's sound on his films.
>
> But back to Godard, his use of 'cut-up' forms of music, words (dialogue).
> Without the images it becomes a music piece of sorts. ECM some years ago
> released the complete soundtrack to his 'New Wave.' I never heard it due
> to the cost of the cd, but I have seen the film and the soundtrack (not
> only the music, but the way he mixes dialogue with the music, etc) is quite
> remarkable.
Still trying to get a notion of what this is like into my head. Is it anything
like the remarkable soundtracks Simon Fisher-Turner created for several of
Derek Jarman's films (notably 'The Garden' and 'Blue')?
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - Paul Bley, "Floater," 'The Floater Syndrome' (Savoy)
(who suspects he'll be revisiting his SF-T discs tonight as well... thanks for
the memories...)
- -
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 20:49:47 -0500
From: Brian Olewnick <olewnik@idt.net>
Subject: Re: godard: box set?/SFT
Steve Smith wrote:
> like the remarkable soundtracks Simon Fisher-Turner created for several of
> Derek Jarman's films (notably 'The Garden' and 'Blue')?
...and don't forget "The Last of England"! Has anyone heard any of SFT's
recent issues? I've seen a couple at Other Music, but the packaging
gives little away and as much as I love his soundtracks (or
pseudo-soundtracks), his more pop-oriented things I find a bit wanting
and I can't quite tell where these new things fall.
Brian Olewnick
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 22:26:59 -0800 (PST)
From: tosh@loop.com (Tosh)
Subject: Godard box set
To describe the 'music' on a Godard soundtrack is difficult for me to
explain...but I will try.
It seems like there is a multi-tracking of dialogue with cut-up pieces of
music and natural sounds - like wind, movement of the feet in a room in the
mix...plus visually you get lots of text (typical Godard aesthetic)
quotations ....and the tone of the actor's voices are always unemotional
and seem to talking to themselves or someone off camera. Or in a sense
actors sound like they're reading the script dialogue for the first time.
But I do think that the soundtracks are seperate from the visuals.
Meaning that Godard is working on a different idea or at least a different
plane than the visual imagery. It is quite remarkable to hear late Godard
films in a theater with a good sound system.
Does this make sense?
- -----------------
Tosh Berman
TamTam Books
- ------------------
- -
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Date: 15 Dec 1999 02:12:48 PST
From: Ryan.J.McKay@directory.reed.edu (Ryan J. McKay)
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #814
- --- You wrote:
is this full length? i don't usually care, but these are so freakin' expensive.
i've kinda lost track as to what's what after Super AR, if someone wants to help
out with what's a single, what's invaluable, etc.
- --- end of quote ---
Super Go is a single, Super Roots 7 and 8 are both great, although the latter is
a neccesity (it is only about 15 minutes for $20, but believe me you won't
regret the investment).
There are 7 Super Roots cds, one of which was only available along with the
Japanese verison of Chocolate Synthesizer in limited quantities (#3?). 4
apparantly is an unlucky number in Japan, so thus no 4 (at least that was how I
had it explained to me).
- --ryan
- -
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:49:09 -0500
From: amarks@dspt.com
Subject: Re:Super Roots series
From: Andrew Marks@DSPT on 12/15/99 08:49 AM
Super Roots 2 is the one that came with Chocolate Synthesizer.
I've got #3, don't listen to it to often, but I think its the one where
they
play the same riff in different keys for like 30 minutes.
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 10:53:26 -0300
From: Linares Hugo <hulinare@bemberg.com.ar>
Subject: RE: godard: box set?
> Tosh wrote:
>
> > Oh this sounds great! I can imagine what the cd box consists of...I do
> > think Godard is perhaps one of the great sound artists working in the
> > cinema today. I also admire David Lynch's sound on his films.
> >
> > But back to Godard, his use of 'cut-up' forms of music, words
> (dialogue).
>
> > to the cost of the cd, but I have seen the film and the soundtrack (not
> > only the music, but the way he mixes dialogue with the music, etc) is
> quite
> > remarkable.
>
> Still trying to get a notion of what this is like into my head. Is it
> anything
> like the remarkable soundtracks Simon Fisher-Turner created for several of
> Derek Jarman's films (notably 'The Garden' and 'Blue')?
>
Regarding this filmic thread; is there any opinion out there on Alex
North's soundtracks released in the Nonesuch series?
Thanks,
Hugo Linares
- -
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:45:09 -0800
From: "s~Z" <keithmar@jetlink.net>
Subject: Ventura CA Music Saturday +
This Saturday:
Saturday, December 18, 8 pm
Art City II, Ventura, CA
31 Peking Street, Ventura (on the very edge)
Admission: $5
Jeff Kaiser Trio and Brad Dutz's Obliteration Quartet
Jeff Kaiser Trio is: Jeff Kaiser, trumpet and electronics; Woody Aplanalp,
guitars; Steuart Liebig, basses
Brad Dutz's Obliteration Quartet: Brad Dutz, Joe Berardi, Richie West, and
Dan Morris playing the charts of Brad Dutz on found metal objects...
Bring blankets, pillows, bean-bag chairs, lawn chairs, et cetera.
This is an indoor, but sit-on-the-floor affair.
For Directions: http://www.mapblast.com/
**********************************
Coming up:
Saturday, January 29, 8 pm
Ventura High School Auditorium, Ventura, CA
2155 East Main Street
Admission: $10; children under 12, $5
The Vinny Golia Large Ensemble
featuring an amazing cast of 30 musicians
More to come...
For Directions: http://www.mapblast.com/
**********************************
Friday, February 25
Ventura City Hall, Ventura
501 Poli Street
$7 admission
Wayne Peet Trio (Wayne Peet, G.E. Stinson, Dan Morris)
Michael Vlatkovich Trio (M. Vlatkovich, Anders Swanson, Chris Garcia)
more to come......
For Directions: http://www.mapblast.com/
**********************************
Thanks,
Keith and Jeff
pfmentum@jetlink.net
http://www.jetlink.net/~pfmentum
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:53:01 -0800
From: "Benito Vergara" <sunny70@sirius.com>
Subject: the black glove
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Jeni Dahmus
> Sent: Monday, December 13, 1999 7:47 AM
From Zorn's liner notes to "The Dead Man":
> Composed in the same year as Torture Garden, I have always
> imagined these two suites as soundtracks to necessarily short S/M
> scenes
Speaking of S/M scenes, has anyone seen "The Black Glove?" I happened to be
scanning this certain mail-order catalog (oh, all right, it was the Blowfish
catalog) when, after reading the film's blurb ("elegantly perverse," "the
feel of a 1920s German art-house film," "boot worship," "hot wax," etc.) the
phrase "Sound design by John Zorn" leaped out at me. Is it worth taking a
look at for the soundtrack, or am I better off buying the Filmworks CD where
the soundtrack's included?
Later,
Ben
http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara/
ICQ# 12832406
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:03:14 -0500
From: Dan Hewins <dan@synsolutions.com>
Subject: Zorn CDR offer (blanks and postage)
I accidentally burned 2 extra CDRs when I was making a trade and so I
will offer them to the first person who can email me about it. The
offer is for Masada and the Masada String Trio at Warsaw Summer Jazz
Days, June 1999, Warsaw, Poland. What I ask is that you sent two
blank CDRs and return postage (to get them to you) and I will send
them out.
I will respond to the first person so if you don't get a response,
assume I took someone else.
Dan Hewins
- -
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:27:01 -0500
From: Dan Hewins <dan@synsolutions.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn CDR offer (blanks and postage) **CLOSED**
subject says it all, I found my person.
At 2:03 PM -0500 12/15/99, Dan Hewins wrote:
>I accidentally burned 2 extra CDRs when I was making a trade and so
>I will offer them to the first person who can email me about it.
>The offer is for Masada and the Masada String Trio at Warsaw Summer
>Jazz Days, June 1999, Warsaw, Poland. What I ask is that you sent
>two blank CDRs and return postage (to get them to you) and I will
>send them out.
>
>I will respond to the first person so if you don't get a response,
>assume I took someone else.
>
>Dan Hewins
>
>-
- -
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:54:20 -0500
From: "Vanheumen, Robert" <rvanheumen@issgroup.net>
Subject: RE: the black glove
it's a beautiful film. great camera work. chock full of suspense, and, yeah,
black leather, hot wax... but the atmosphere is killing.
don't watch it on christmas eve with the whole family...
so what's the URL of this mailorder site?
robert
>Speaking of S/M scenes, has anyone seen "The Black Glove?" I happened to be
>scanning this certain mail-order catalog (oh, all right, it was the
Blowfish
>catalog) when, after reading the film's blurb ("elegantly perverse," "the
>feel of a 1920s German art-house film," "boot worship," "hot wax," etc.)
the
>phrase "Sound design by John Zorn" leaped out at me. Is it worth taking a
>look at for the soundtrack, or am I better off buying the Filmworks CD
where
>the soundtrack's included?
- -
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 99 15:19:22 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: michael cain
just picked up "evidence of things unseen" on a lark. any opinions, comments on
his other work? i can't even remember why i had filed the name (i don't think it
was from alfie).
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:22:01 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: DAVID SHEA DISCOGRAPHY: version 1.0
To let you know that there is a David Shea discography at:
http://www.nwu.edu/WNUR/jazz/artists/shea.david/discog.html
- -
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:55:17 EST
From: Nudeants@aol.com
Subject: Re: michael cain
He doesn't have many recordings out, you'd probably want to try Circa on ECM.
It's his only album for that label, but its pretty nice, a little off the
beaten path as far as ECM aesthetics are concerned. He's got some older ones
on a different label, but he's actually not so pleased with them. He was
also with Jack DeJohnette for about 10 years or so, though I have mixed
feelings about those recordings in general. He's by far my favorite of the
jazz pianists his age or slightly older.
He's a friend and former teacher of mine, too. (I actually felt the same way
about his playing before I went to study with him)
matt
- -
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:16:45 -0500
From: "Dann-Brown" <DLB7@prodigy.net>
Subject: Super Roots 5
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The only Super Roots I have is #5.
It's rather ridiculous, if you ask me. Only one track that's over an =
hour long but it's just one chord with a few cymbals glossed on top. =
Eye called this album "ambient hardcore"
I guess that's one way of putting it.
=20
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 01:41:18 -0200
From: "Hugo Linares" <hlinares@utenet.com.ar>
Subject: Kazutoki Umezu
Hi All!
On Kazutoki Umezu's "First Deserter" he's credited to play horns and two
instruments I need to know. Those are the "hojok" and the "kehn".
Can anyone give me some details?
Thanks in advance,
Hugo Linares
- -
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:28:17 -0500
From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu
Subject: Re: Kazutoki Umezu
>On Kazutoki Umezu's "First Deserter" he's credited to play horns and two
>instruments I need to know. Those are the "hojok" and the "kehn".
>Can anyone give me some details?
Hojok is the Korean wind instrument made "famous" by Kim Suk Chul (featured on
recent Ground-Zero recordings--hope I'm spelling his name correctly). I've never
seen one, but it sounds like an industrial strength shenai. I _think_ a kehn is
a kind of mouth organ (Laotian?), but I might be way off.
I only have one Umezu recording, his "Akiru" with his large klezmer band, which
is outstanding. I've seen a few of the KFW releases around; can anyone recommend
them or others?
Brian Olewnick
- -
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:10:07 +0100
From: "Stephane Vuilleumier" <Vuilleumier@micro.biol.ethz.ch>
Subject: Re: Kazutoki Umezu
- -----Original Message-----
From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu
To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
Date: Donnerstag/Thursday/Jeudi, 16. DezCembRer 1999 14:43
Subject: Re: Kazutoki Umezu
>I've seen a few of the KFW releases around; can anyone recommend
>them or others?
There are the (to me at least) very rare
040 - ABANDON: Tom Cora, Kazutoki Umezu
Tom Cora: cello; Umezu Kazutoki: alto.
1988 - Umisushi Records (Japan), UU-1001 (CD)
081 - TRICK MOON: Third Person
Samm Bennett: percussions, samples, vocals; Tom Cora: cello; Kazutoki
Umezu:
alto, soprano, bass clarinet, kaen; Tsuneo Imahori: guitar.
1991 - Tsuki No Uso Records (Japan), TU-001 (CD)
of which I only have tapes, that I can recommend if you like a more
"out" kind of groove.
BTW I would be really grateful for any suggestions on how to get hold of
these!
The KFW "Third Person" ones are fine as well of course.
Stephane
- -
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:32:41 +0100
From: patRice <gda@datacomm.ch>
Subject: Re: I buy Spy vs. Spy / RECORDING STUFF FOR OTHERS
Thomas Queins wrote:
>=20
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Diego Gruber
> To: Zorn list
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 1999 12:02 AM
> Subject: I buy Spy vs. Spy
>=20
> Hi people,
>=20
> I need someone's help here, I live in Ecuador where it is
> almost
> impossible to get any recording by Zorn (not to mention
> other artists
> discussed on this list). So if someone would be kind enough
> to give me a
> hand: i'm looking for a copy of Spy vs. Spy, if someone has
> a used one
> in good condition and wants to get rid of it, or could get
> me a new one,
> i'm willing to prepay for the cd and postage.
>=20
> Thanks in advance,
>=20
> Diego
> Hola,
> =A0
> Ti va=A0un trade: "Spy vs.Spy" on Cd-R vs. some local ecuadorian stuff?
> =A0
> ciao from Italy
> =A0
> Thomas
>=20
fellow zornsters
this kind of brings up a subject that's been bugging me for some time
now.
what are your opinions on taping or cd-ring music for other people?
especially stuff that is still in print and easily available.
if sthg is out of print, i don't mind recording it for a friend.
but, e.g., if somebody asks me to cdr a tzadik release for them, i would
kind of feel too bad doing it. i feel that artists need the support (and
money so they can keep on developing and working on their thing), and
would also prefer if people actually bought my recordings rather than
copying them. (this is sometimes hard to explain to people who ask you
to tape sthg for them; they usually think there's sthg wrong with you.)
if i ask someone to tape sthg for me, i will eventually buy it anyway if
i like it. if i don't like it, i simply erase the tape.=20
what if you know the person asking you to record sthg for them simply
can't afford to buy their own cds? wouldn't it be great if they could
still listen to all this great stuff we all love so much, if we could
share the experience with them? therefore would it be okay if you
recorded it for them? (since they would otherwise not be exposed to this
kind of music at all.)
maybe this all sounds a little silly to you. but it's been bugging me.
i'd really like to know other people's opinions on this.
i know, i could always go out and buy another copy of a recording i
already have and simply give it to the person as a present. that would
solve my problem, but keep me from buying more stuff for myself. (no, i
am not selfish at all... ;-) )
looking forward to your thoughts!
patRice
listening to these days: jz "taboo and exile", miles davis "kind of
blue", iron maiden "piece of mind", the max roach trio "feat. the
legendary hasaan", caetano veloso & gal costa "domingo", kenny dorham
"una mas"
books i'm reading/looking at: miles davis autobiography, haruki murakami
"hard-boiled wonderland", ? "the tattoo murder case", sandi fellman "the
japanese tattoo"
- -
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:32:35 +0100
From: patRice <gda@datacomm.ch>
Subject: Re: Kazutoki Umezu / AKIRU klezmer band
brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu wrote:
>
> I only have one Umezu recording, his "Akiru" with his large klezmer band, which
> is outstanding. I've seen a few of the KFW releases around;
> Brian Olewnick
>
> -
hi brian!
is that the japanese klezmer band i have read about some time ago?
if yes: can you recommend that cd to me? and can you also give me the
details of that cd (name, label, cat number).
that'd be great! thanks a lot for taking your time!
patRice
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