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Zorn List Digest       Friday, December 3 1999       Volume 02 : Number 806



In this issue:
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       Re: ikue mori and design
       Inevitable defence of MMM
       Re: ikue mori and design
       Re: arvo part
       Hat Art Cobra Liner Notes
       Re: ikue mori and design
       Re: Julius Hemphill
       Re: Part, Reed
       Re: Julius Hemphill
       RE: ikue mori and design
       Re: Julius Hemphill
       Don Ellis?
       Re: Don Ellis?
       RE: Don Ellis?
       bobby previte's use of tchaikovsky
       Julius Hemphill taught bears
       Re: Julius Hemphill taught bears
       Re: Julius Hemphill
       Re: Don Ellis?
       Any So. Californians Out There?
       Re: Julius Hemphill taught bears

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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 16:02:29 -0500
From: Dan Hewins <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: ikue mori and design

>>>Is the person doing the report planning on talking about
>>>Stephen >>Byram at all?
>he is the designer for the Screwgun releases? yes, i thought about
>doing a segement on him, but i know i'll run into the same problem
>with finding biographical information... the paper is just suposed
>to be about 3 modern, and one pre-1920 illustrators/grahpic
>designers. but i thought it would be interesting to do album cover
>designers, and more unknown ones at that(seeing as 3 people are
>already doing geiger, and that person who did the Yes album
>covers(gee, my ignorance of art really shines thru eh?))
>
>but yeah, i'll agree, Screwgun has the some of the most
>imaginative/attractive packaging out there.

Yes, he's the Screwgun guy.  He has also done a lot of work for JMT
and now Winter and Winter.  I have also seen some of his work on New
World Records (which seems to be some kind of federally funded
effort).  He also was the art director for the Beastie Boys' License
To Ill, the one with the crumpled jet on the cover.

Dan Hewins


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Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 08:13:58 +1100
From: "Josephine Yeatman or Jim Glaspole" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Inevitable defence of MMM

Hey I don't care what Reed thought of Metal Machine Music personally, but he
succeeded in making a revolutionary album of the most beautiful noise,
filled with a spirit and groove not seen in countless other crappo noise
discs since.  He never sought to depersonalise the disc with any
abstractions, thus including his image and words on a sleeve which is a
classic of the era in rock.  Though the record has inspired many it is best
"used" to blow out accumulated bile in private, just one side at a time.  B
is my favourite.  The CD version has lost all the dynamic of the vinyl.
Avoid it.  And by the way I hate Lou Reed bar VU and only the odd cut since.
Jim Glaspole
www.ozemail.com.au/~drjim


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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:16:22 -0600 (CST)
From: Whit Schonbein <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: ikue mori and design

i suppose you could always call tim berne at screwgun and ask for byram's
number, and interview directly :)  heck, turn it into a submission for
perfect sound forever - i'd read it.

whit

On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, Zorn List Digest wrote:

>
> he is the designer for the Screwgun releases? yes, i thought about doing a
> segement on him, but i know i'll run into the same problem with finding
> biographical information... the paper is just suposed to be about 3 modern,
> and one pre-1920 illustrators/grahpic designers. but i thought it would be
> interesting to do album cover designers, and more unknown ones at
> that(seeing as 3 people are already doing geiger, and that person who did
> the Yes album covers(gee, my ignorance of art really shines thru eh?))
>
> but yeah, i'll agree, Screwgun has the some of the most
> imaginative/attractive packaging out there.
>
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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 18:33:17 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: arvo part

In a message dated 12/2/99 10:47:53 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20
[e-mail] writes about the better P=E4rt discs:

<< Everything by P=E4rt released on ECM New Series, from _Tabula Rasa_ to hi=
s
 latest, _Alina_. And on Telarc, _Fratres_, which includes six different
 versions of that piece. Stephen >>

Seconded.  Concerning the Telarc disc- while some may initally look at it as=
=20
overkill of the Fratres piece, it is quite varied in its scope.  It's the=20
perfect vehicle for intelligent daydreaming, I think.  Always enjoyed the=20
Kronos Quartet's version of the piece on their _Winter Was Hard_ CD also.

=3Ddg=3D

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Date: 02 Dec 1999 17:47:20 PST
From: [e-mail] (Ryan J. McKay)
Subject: Hat Art Cobra Liner Notes

Hi, I have a request.  Does anyone know of anywhere online where I can view the
liner notes to the HatArt release of Cobra?  I am writing a paper, and although
I have a pretty good description of Zorn's game pieces, I just want to make sure
I'm not missing anything.  If anyone could help me out here (e.g. send the liner
notes in e-mail form offlist), I would be delighted.  Thanks,


Concerning Part, I would reccomend "Passio," or perhaps "Fratres" or "Tabula
rasa."  "Confusion is Sex" by Sonic Youth is a really scary album, and while
many people would consider it primitive and not as fully developed as their
later work, I still think it is one of their best efforts in terms of creating a
certain mood.


By the way, did anyone catch the Japanese New Music Festival with the Ruins?  I
also heard something about a three day stint they did in New York accompanied by
dancers (!?).  If anyone knows more about this, I'd love to hear it.


- --ryan

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Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 22:16:54 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: ikue mori and design

robert ludington wrote:

> >I'm not the person doing the report, but I'm listening to Paraphrase's
> >_Please Advise_ right now.  I love Tim Berne's playing, and this is such a
> >good band.  And Byram's artwork is a joy--with the
> >tortured typography and the impassioned scrawling, it's like design brought
> >back from another dimension.

He's also really flexible and diverse - the Screwgun house style is but one of
his facets, the JMT stuff is another.  And he also did the famous plane crash
cover for the Beastie Boys' 'License to Ill.'  And the art he's done for RCA's
upcoming Dave Douglas release, on the other hand, is classic and noir-ish.
Byram's the man.

> that person who did
> the Yes album covers(gee, my ignorance of art really shines thru eh?))

Not remembering Roger Dean's name hardly construes ignorance of art in my
book... ;-)

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - Star Trek VI


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Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 22:28:32 -0500
From: Mike Chamberlain <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Julius Hemphill

Ken Waxman wrote:
>
> Will there be a track on it written by Murray/Bluiet/Lake called:
> "Why We Kicked Him Out Of The Group"?
>

Wasn't it the same reason why Sonny Sharrock was kicked out of Last Exit
and why the Art Ensemble no longer let Lester play with them?

- --Mike


>
> On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, James Hale wrote:
>
> > The next WSQ recording will be a tribute to Julius, featuring all-new
> > music from the group. Out on Justin Time in the new year.
>
>
> -

- --
Mike Chamberlain
Teacher, Writer, Broadcaster, Father, Farmer,  Baseball Fan, Jazz Nerd,
Sumo Nut, Bald Guy

"I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused."

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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 20:31:59 -0800 (PST)
From: "m. rizzi" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Part, Reed

[e-mail], demi-God and Icon sez:
>
>And that Lou Reed 2-LP thing from the '70s was titled Metal Machine Music. I
>think he actually recorded/released it with tongue in cheek, as opposed to

    That's a myth actually. He put a TON of effort
    into creating it, there are layers and layers
    of guitar feedback...one of the most beautiful
    noise recordings, EVER.

    mike

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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 23:33:26 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Julius Hemphill

In a message dated 12/2/99 10:30:07 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< Wasn't it the same reason why Sonny Sharrock was kicked out of Last Exit
and why the Art Ensemble no longer let Lester play with them? >>

I don't know the circumstances surrounding Hemphill leaving the WSQ, but if
you're saying that Hemphill died while still a member of the WSQ, that's not
true. he left sometime between 1988 and 1990, and he died in 1995.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 01:50:36 -0200
From: "Hugo Linares" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: ikue mori and design

>cover for the Beastie Boys' 'License to Ill.'  And the art he's done for
RCA's
>upcoming Dave Douglas release, on the other hand, is classic and noir-ish.

Hey Steve,

When is it due to be released the RCA's new Wonder Boy's (Douglas,
naturally) cd?

D'you know something about the Masada box or was it just marketing buzz?

Gracias y chau,

Hugo Linares





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Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 00:16:19 -0500
From: Mike Chamberlain <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Julius Hemphill

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 12/2/99 10:30:07 PM, [e-mail] writes:
>
> << Wasn't it the same reason why Sonny Sharrock was kicked out of Last Exit
> and why the Art Ensemble no longer let Lester play with them? >>
>
> I don't know the circumstances surrounding Hemphill leaving the WSQ, but if
> you're saying that Hemphill died while still a member of the WSQ, that's not
> true. he left sometime between 1988 and 1990, and he died in 1995.
>

I wasn't clear on that, thus the question form.

- --Mike
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Mike Chamberlain
Teacher, Writer, Broadcaster, Father, Farmer,  Baseball Fan, Jazz Nerd,
Sumo Nut, Bald Guy

"I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused."

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Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 12:44:54 +0100
From: Stephen Fruitman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Don Ellis?

A friend of mine has asked me to ask the list membership if it knows
anything about an artist named Don Ellis, whom he says did some absurd
things on record before turning full-time to film soundtracks. I=B4ve never
heard of this fellow, cannot locate any info on the web, so any help at all
(CDs, bio, sites to visit) would be appreciated. Stephen






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Inst. f=F6r id=E9historia,
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e-post: [e-mail]



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Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 13:29:22 CET
From: "Andreas Dietz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Don Ellis?

>From: Stephen Fruitman <[e-mail]>
>Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 12:44:54 +0100
>
>A friend of mine has asked me to ask the list membership if it knows
>anything about an artist named Don Ellis, whom he says did some absurd
>things on record before turning full-time to film soundtracks. I┤ve never
>heard of this fellow, cannot locate any info on the web, so any help at all
>(CDs, bio, sites to visit) would be appreciated. Stephen
>

Don Ellis played trumpet and was a member in Charles Mingus┤ Bands in 1959
(MINGUS DYNASTY, NOSTALGIA IN TIMES SQUARE) and in the beginning of the
sixties in George Russell┤s Sextet (EZZ-THETICS, THE OUTER VIEW). His own
recordings are quite interesting and really progressive at that time. I can
recommend NEW IDEAS from 1960 and LIVE AT MONTEREY from 1966.

Andreas Dietz

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Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:42:36 -0300
From: Linares Hugo <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Don Ellis?

> things on record before turning full-time to film soundtracks. I=B4ve =
never
>=20
>=20
    By the way, what kind of films?

    --Hugo

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Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 01:39:00 +1100
From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: bobby previte's use of tchaikovsky

Bobby Previte uses a piece of Tchaikovsky ("The Countess' Bedroom" from the
opera "The Queen Of Spades") on "Too Close To The Pole". Does anyone happen
to know where this part comes in the opera (what scene?) because I have
access to the opera as a 6-record set with Russian liner notes, and
although listening through it all may be good musical experience, I would
prefer for the moment to simply hear the piece that inspired Bobby's
arrangement... Anyone?


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Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:14:59 -0800
From: Jason Tors <[e-mail]>
Subject: Julius Hemphill taught bears

    Off topic??
Has anyone read the book, The Bear Comes Home, by ravi zabor.
If so is the bear's teacher Julius?

>> I don't know the circumstances surrounding Hemphill leaving the WSQ, but if
>> you're saying that Hemphill died while still a member of the WSQ, that's not
>> true. he left sometime between 1988 and 1990, and he died in 1995.

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Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:54:05 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Julius Hemphill taught bears

On Fri, Dec 03, 1999 at 11:14:59AM -0800, Jason Tors wrote:
>     Off topic??
> Has anyone read the book, The Bear Comes Home, by ravi zabor.
> If so is the bear's teacher Julius?

I'm reading the book now, and loving it -- it may be the best
jazz-related book I've ever read, certainly the best jazz-related
fiction. (For those inspired to look it up, it's Rafi Zabor, not Ravi.)

I haven't gotten to the point where the bear has a teacher, but
Julius is mentioned in the plot by name around page 190. (The book's
characters involve a lot of real musicians, including the Art Ensemble
of Chicago (in a hilarious jailbreak sequence and elsewhere), Charlie
Haden, Billy Hart, Steve McCall, and others. And there are a lot of
thinly disguised people, such as Manfred Eicher of ECM becoming
Sigbjorn Kieger of BFD :-)

Any one on this list who hasn't read this book has got some explainin'
and shoppin' to do *grin*

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Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:11:56 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Julius Hemphill

Nope, if I get your drift right, Julius was very much alive when he made
his last xit from the WSQ. He elaborated some reasons.

Ken



On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, Mike Chamberlain wrote:

> Ken Waxman wrote:
> >
> > Will there be a track on it written by Murray/Bluiet/Lake called:
> > "Why We Kicked Him Out Of The Group"?
> >
>
> Wasn't it the same reason why Sonny Sharrock was kicked out of Last Exit
> and why the Art Ensemble no longer let Lester play with them?
>
> --Mike
>
>
> >
> > On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, James Hale wrote:
> >
> > > The next WSQ recording will be a tribute to Julius, featuring all-new
> > > music from the group. Out on Justin Time in the new year.
> >
> >
> > -
>
> --
> Mike Chamberlain
> Teacher, Writer, Broadcaster, Father, Farmer,  Baseball Fan, Jazz Nerd,
> Sumo Nut, Bald Guy
>
> "I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused."
>

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Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:29:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Don Ellis?

Sounds like your friend has two different people mixed up. Is he=20
referring to *Don Ellis*, the trumpeter? He played with Mingus, George=20
Russell etc. in NYC, before he  moved to Los Angeles and formed a big=20
band, best known for playing in odd time signatures and recorded for=20
Pacific Jazz and Columbia.

Do a net search and you're sure to find bio and musical info. I didn't=20
know about film work through. However, considering LA its likely.

He's not talking about *Don Elliot" is he? He was an even-more-obscure=20
New York-based vibist, bongo, mellophone and trumpet-player, who had a=20
novelty hit with the Nutty Squirrels in the late 1950s. He played with=20
Terry Gibbs, George Shearing and did music for Broadway shows before=20
turning to jingle writing.

Ken Waxman



On Fri, 3 Dec 1999, Stephen Fruitman wrote:

> A friend of mine has asked me to ask the list membership if it knows
> anything about an artist named Don Ellis, whom he says did some absurd
> things on record before turning full-time to film soundtracks. I=B4ve nev=
er
> heard of this fellow, cannot locate any info on the web, so any help at a=
ll
> (CDs, bio, sites to visit) would be appreciated. =20

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Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:20:13 -0800
From: "s~Z" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Any So. Californians Out There?

Hey if you are within striking distance of Ventura CA, Nels Cline (solo &
with Scarnella) is playing City Hall next Friday the 10th...these City Hall
gigs are quite fun...hearing state of the art avant-garde (insert your own
genre capturing label here) music in the atrium of a small town City Hall
looking down over the great Pacific Ocean with a 12 foot wooden statue of
Father Sera looming over the performance space and Chumash Indian paintings
as backdrop...it's only $7 I mean my god come on down....next month Vinny
Golia is bringing the Large Ensemble to Ventura High School's state of the
art concert hall....small town America at its best....if you show be sure
and say howdy.....I'm the extraordinarily handsome guy.....now back to your
irregular programming.

Details:
http://www.jetlink.net/~pfmentum/events.htm

s~Z



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Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:04:25 -0800
From: Jason Tors <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Julius Hemphill taught bears

I second this, not being a musician, but listening a lot, it is great to
get inside a sax weiding bear's head while playing. I think that rafi
[sorry about the misspell] does an amazing job of describing the thought
process one would go thru while playing a solo and amazing revalations and
impressions therein.

Joe, wait till you get to the end, the last concert the bear plays with his
touring band [all fictional??] at the brooklyn anchorage. A wonderful
written exploration thru abstract realms while improvizing.

Tim Berne is mentioned in relation to Julius towards the beginning.

A must read historically and artistically.


>I'm reading the book now, and loving it -- it may be the best
>jazz-related book I've ever read, certainly the best jazz-related
>fiction. (For those inspired to look it up, it's Rafi Zabor, not Ravi.)
>



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