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Zorn List Digest      Thursday, December 2 1999      Volume 02 : Number 804



In this issue:
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       Re: SY
       Re: guitarisms (frisell/ribot)
       Fwd: Re: PSF/DIW/etc.
       Re: Guitarisms (Ribot/Frisell)
       Re: SIDEWALKS OF NEW YORK
       Sidewalks
       Re: SY
       Julius Hemphill
       Re: Julius Hemphill
       Re: Julius Hemphill
       Re: Julius Hemphill
       [none]
       Re: Julius Hemphill
       CD up for grabs...
       Re: Julius Hemphill
       Usenet Postings
       Re: Julius Hemphill
       arvo part
       Re: arvo part
       Re: arvo part

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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 00:06:22 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: SY

[e-mail] wrote:

> one interesting thing about Sonic Youth is that, more than any other band
> that I'm aware of, everyone seems to have different favorite records. mine
> are Dirty and Washing Machine

... whereas these are my own two least favorite SY discs, which just *proves*
Jon's point, since we agree on so much else.  (Still, I have to admit that this
will send me back to 'Dirty' and 'Washing Machine' to see if I missed
something...)

Still, since we're weighing in, my favorite SY disc (discounting the SYR/SKR
series) remains 'EVOL,' followed by 'Goo,' 'Daydream Nation,' 'A Thousand
Leaves' (where *I* think their earlier experiments start to really come to
fruition) and 'Experimental Jet Set...'

But the SYR/SKR release are essential in truly estimating the importance of
Sonic Youth in bringing modern music to the masses...

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
(having not yet heard the new SY "classical" set...)
NP - Cavaliers  (DCI Champions 1992)


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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:08:31 -0600 (CST)
From: Whit Schonbein <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: guitarisms (frisell/ribot)

i recall there being a discussion of frisell's equipment on the loopers
delight list about six months ago (very roughly). the focus was on (as you
might guess) his sampling pedals.  there is an archive at

http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html

not sure if it is searchable...

whit


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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 00:35:00 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Fwd: Re: PSF/DIW/etc.

I was asked to forward this response given on the droneon list to the Taj
Mahal Travellers/Kaoru Abe questions recently asked here. any personal
responses go to Rob Lim at [e-mail].

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
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On Thu, 25 Nov 1999, Nirav Soni wrote:

> I'd like to check out some of the Japanese improv/psych stuff on
> PSF/DIW/etc.. Only, I have very little idea where to start. I've heard
> the names Taj Mahal Travelers and Kaoru Abe, and I think that's the
> direction I'd like to head into. Help. Please.

W/ the Taj Mahal Travellers, you're pretty much stuck w/ the August 1974
2CD reissue on P-Vine.  If you're a little more resourceful, you might be
able to uncover the recent _Oz Days_ boot LP.   It reproduces two sides
from a 2LP set- one from the willfully obscure Rallizes Denudes and a side
long contribution from the Travellers that is even better than 9/74 IMO.
Bear in mind that the asking price for this was about $50 US when it was
"available" earlier this year.  There's also another album from 7/72 whose
presence may be conjurable to a special few (though not me).  Anybody who
is enamored of the No-Neck Blues Band would do well to seek a private
audition of any of this stuff.

Abe's discography is a little more manageable, though less consistent.
Basically you want to aim for early 70s or so (the earliest of which are a
trio of CDs from '71 recently issued by Tokuma which are pretty worthy-
check out the green one of duets first).  The best things I've heard so
far are the PSF solo releases (w/ the 4/11/72 concert being a particular
standout)- the mid 70s stuff (these being the bulk of his official
releases in his lifetime) are somewhat more ambitious but less
consistently executed.  _Mort a Credit_ and _Partitas_ (the latter sort of
his version of Julius Hemphill's Boye 2LPs) are both good, but aren't
being imported into the US and are thus somewhat difficult to come by.

Better advice would probably be on what to avoid: Last Date (from '78,
shortly before his death) and the "sounds good on paper" quartet of Abe,
Motoharu Yoshizawa, Derek Bailey and Toshinori Kondo, as issued on
Starlight Furniture Company in the form of a CD called _Aida's Call_.
Permit me to weep openly on the failed promise of this particular group.

As a general note, Abe is most known for his solo alto playing.  For the
most part, I haven't been too impressed with his ability to fit into a
group situation (though check out the reissue of Milford Graves'
_Meditiation Among Us_ on DIW, which feat an awesome front-line of Abe and
the relatively unsung Mototeru Takagi).  His solo stuff sounds not unlike
Roscoe Mitchell playing the Albert Ayler repertoire and dissolving into an
extended sobbing fit in the middle of each piece.  In the early material,
he manages to display a surprising array of emotions (every shade of anger
plus an underlying mood of sentimentalism that is occasionally allowed to
flourish)- I mention this only because this is a key component of
understanding Abe that usually gets lost when he gets shoehorned into the
"out" box.

Finally, the Takayanagi/Abe duet from '70 that was reissued on DIW this
year is also blazingly good despite the fact that it sounds like they were
in different, sound-proof rooms when it was recorded.  I'm usually against
this sort of communication lapse in improvisation, but both make such
powerful & distinct statements on the record that it'd be a shame to pitch
it into the rubbish bin.

 -rob

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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:11:18 -0500
From: "ADM" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Guitarisms (Ribot/Frisell)

I am very
> interested to know what kind of guitar and amp Ribot uses for his Masada
> contributions....
>

I assume you are talking about the circlemaker material.  This is partly
speculation, but the guitar in photos in the album resembles an Epiphone
Casino which I'm pretty sure is modeled after some sort of Gibson.  However,
he is playing a Gibson ES-135 on the cover of the Cubanos Postizos album a
lot of which has the same sort of guitar sound as the circlemaker stuff.
I've also seen him use the ES-135 live a lot with a Fender Deluxe Reverb amp
getting the same sorta sound and I'm sure that if he's not using the Deluxe
Reverb in the studio, he's definitely using some other kind of old Fender
combo amp, but Deluxe Reverbs are great and not too expensive if you are
looking for that sorta sound.  There ya go.  Hope I was of some help.

- -Aaron


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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 06:44:50 -0500
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: SIDEWALKS OF NEW YORK

At 07:00 PM 11/29/99 EST, [e-mail] wrote:
>While there's usually a fair amount of talk about Uri Caine on this list,
I have seen little (if any mention) of this release.  What do y'all think
of it?

I didn't care for this album much at all, and would be willing to trade
something for it.

- --
Caleb Deupree
[e-mail]

It is pretty obvious that the debasement of the human mind caused by a
constant flow of fraudulent advertising is no trivial thing.  There is more
than one way to conquer a country.

- -- Raymond Chandler

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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 12:52:15 +0100
From: Stephen Fruitman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Sidewalks

To the fellow wanting opinions about the _Sidewalks of New York_ CD;  I
submitted a sketchy review of this to the list some months ago, but seem
not to have saved a copy. (Now all I have left is the Swedish-language
article I wrote for a newspaper, but that hardly helps you, does it?)

Suffice to say it is pure genius and sheer entertainment. Uri Caine does
nothing radical to the turn-of-the-century Tin Pan Alley tunes, but he
casts them against the background of a shifting aural tapestry of saloon
and street sounds, and all the performers turn in excellent performances -
especially the singers. Brings new life to old songs you=B4d never thought
they=B4d have again.

Stephen





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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 09:32:06 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: SY

On Wed, 01 Dec 1999 00:06:22 -0500  Steve Smith wrote:
>
> But the SYR/SKR release are essential in truly estimating the importance of
> Sonic Youth in bringing modern music to the masses...

I am not as optimistic as you. I think that these records will be classified
like Lou Reed's MUSIC MACHINE (?) by their fans: a self-indulgent and a little
bit pretentious exercise (that we (their public) accept because of SY strong
rock crendentials -- hey! they (SY) deserve some fun once in a while). On the
other side, I doubt that the die-hard contemp fans will "condescend" to listen
to it (even jazz failed there). It will be fun to see how the keepers of the
temple will judge the quality of these interpretations. Acknowledging that
they are good will almost be interpreted as throwing the artistic value of the
whole music genre (hey! if any rock kid can do it, what is the point of all the
high brow attitude of "savant" music?); dismissing them might require some
strong dialectic skills and the capability of cutting hair in four (that
usually people writing on contemp music have). What I think? A nice curiosity
that will practically never be played (but talked a lot about, I am sure).

    Patrice.

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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 12:06:55 -0600
From: "BROGGI, GUSTAVO" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Julius Hemphill

Hello Zornies: Can anybody give me comments / suggestions about Julius
Hemphill=B4s works?. Any Opinions about Julius Hemphil trio "Live New =
Music
Cafe"?

Thanks in advance

Gustavo (still dealing with Yarbles)

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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 13:33:06 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Julius Hemphill

>Hello Zornies: Can anybody give me comments / suggestions about Julius
>Hemphill's works?.

Above all, imho, "Coon Bid'ness" and "Dogon AD", both soon to be released in
disc form on Berne's Screwgun, I believe. Great, great stuff.

Others worth hearing include "Raw Materials and Residuals" and "The Fat Man and
the Hard Blues", his WSQ recordings and parts of the Elektra Big Band album.

Must to avoid: "Georgia Blue".

Brian Olewnick






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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 10:40:36 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Julius Hemphill

On Wed, 01 Dec 1999 13:33:06 -0500  [e-mail] wrote:
>
> >Hello Zornies: Can anybody give me comments / suggestions about Julius
> >Hemphill's works?.
>
> Above all, imho, "Coon Bid'ness" and "Dogon AD", both soon to be released in
> disc form on Berne's Screwgun, I believe. Great, great stuff.

That's a great news!

> Others worth hearing include "Raw Materials and Residuals" and "The Fat Man and
> the Hard Blues", his WSQ recordings and parts of the Elektra Big Band album.

And what about BLUE BOYE?

    Patrice.

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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:06:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Julius Hemphill

If it's the disc I'm thinking of on Music &Arts, it's quite good.=20
However, unfortunately, I don't think he ever exceeded the work on his=20
first LPs -- Coon Bid'ness and Dogon AD. Both were on Arista/Freedom.=20
Coon was reissued on CD by Black Lion as (more poltically correct)=20
Reflections, but dog gone it, we're still waiting for Dogon AD on CD.

Ken Waxman


On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, BROGGI, GUSTAVO wrote:

> Hello Zornies: Can anybody give me comments / suggestions about Julius
> Hemphill=B4s works?. Any Opinions about Julius Hemphil trio "Live New Mus=
ic
> Cafe"?
>=20
> Thanks in advance

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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 11:59:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Peter Risser <[e-mail]>
Subject: [none]

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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 18:49:54 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Julius Hemphill

In a message dated 12/1/99 1:17:57 PM, [e-mail]=20
writes:

<< Can anybody give me comments / suggestions about Julius

Hemphill=B4s works >>

of the CDs currently available, definitely pick up Reflections (Black Lion).=
=20
the side-long version of The Hard Blues is remarkable. next, I'd get Five=20
Chord Stud (Black Saint), which is the pinnacle of his saxophone sextet work=
.=20
an, like everyone else, I'm looking forward to the much-rumored reissue of=20
Dogon AD on Screwgun.

<<Any Opinions about Julius Hemphil trio "Live New Music

Cafe"?>>

pretty good, not essential.

<<Gustavo (still dealing with Yarbles)>>

I think they make creams for that now, actually.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 21:57:34 -0600
From: "Christopher Lupold" <[e-mail]>
Subject: CD up for grabs...

One last mention of the Zorn-related mp3s until someone gets an FTP site - I
made a CD-R out of the Fred Frith/Keep the Dog concert(Zorn plays on two
tracks), but I screwed up and put a 2 second gap between each track, which
ends up ruining the flow of the concert  - I also included the BBC radio
intro/outro, which turned out to be a mistake - rather than just trash it,
anyone who couldn't access the bootleg newsgroup and is willing to pay for
postage(and doesn't mind tracks that don't segue when they're supposed to),
just e-mail me and it's yours. I haven't made a cover or label or anything,
but the whole 55 min. concert is there. Contact me if interested.
- -Chris


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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 22:24:46 -0500
From: James Hale <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Julius Hemphill

The next WSQ recording will be a tribute to Julius, featuring all-new
music from the group. Out on Justin Time in the new year.

James Hale


Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>
> On Wed, 01 Dec 1999 13:33:06 -0500  [e-mail] wrote:
> >
> > >Hello Zornies: Can anybody give me comments / suggestions about Julius
> > >Hemphill's works?.
> >
> > Above all, imho, "Coon Bid'ness" and "Dogon AD", both soon to be released in
> > disc form on Berne's Screwgun, I believe. Great, great stuff.
>
> That's a great news!
>
> > Others worth hearing include "Raw Materials and Residuals" and "The Fat Man and
> > the Hard Blues", his WSQ recordings and parts of the Elektra Big Band album.
>
> And what about BLUE BOYE?
>
>         Patrice.
>
> -


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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 12:04:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Peter Risser <[e-mail]>
Subject: Usenet Postings

To get binaries (files) off of usenet, you need a
newsreader and a good Internet Service Provider.  You
can use Free Agent, which is a good free news service
reader for general news, but for downloading binaries,
I would suggest NewsShark.

It's free as well, and slightly unstable (use it too
long and you will crash, at least in '98).  However,
it performs a wonderful service in that it will scan a
newsgroup for new postings and combine all the posting
parts (each file is posted in many many parts) into a
single line in a list.  This makes it really easy to
identify all parts of a posting as well as those that
aren't complete.  Not to mention, you can quickly and
easily search subject lines.

Then you can just select the ones you want, trigger
the download, and walk away.

Quite handy for scouring the newsgroups.  I use it
about once a day, at least.

If anyone has any specific questions on using it, I
can try and field them and help you out.

Peter

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Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 09:28:50 CET
From: "Andreas Dietz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Julius Hemphill

>From: "BROGGI, GUSTAVO" <[e-mail]>
>Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 12:06:55 -0600
>
>Hello Zornies: Can anybody give me comments / suggestions about Julius
>Hemphill┤s works?. Any Opinions about Julius Hemphil trio "Live New Music
>Cafe"?
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>Gustavo (still dealing with Yarbles)
>

I couldn┤t find a Hemphill-discography on the web until now. Any help is
appreciated.

Andreas Dietz

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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 21:21:09 +1100 (EST)
From: Aaron Chee-Kean Chua <[e-mail]>
Subject: arvo part

hi people,
thank you to everyone on the list who has always taken the time to answer
the questions i periodically ask. i apologise for not being much a
contributor myself.
i was wondering if anyone had any favourite Part discs they would
recommen. i liked Arbos quite a bit when i got it from a library at uni
ages ago. i have since acquired de Profundis, but i think i still prefer
what i remember of Arbos.

also, i don't suppose anyone has the latest word on the studio/live Masada
box sets that were meant to have been issued a year or 2 ago.


aaron


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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 09:07:52 -0500
From: Maurice Rickard <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: arvo part

At 9:21 PM +1100 12/2/99, Aaron Chee-Kean Chua wrote:
>i was wondering if anyone had any favourite Part discs they would
>recommen. i liked Arbos quite a bit when i got it from a library at uni
>ages ago. i have since acquired de Profundis, but i think i still prefer
>what i remember of Arbos.

I like de Profundis, but _Passio_ is extremely impressive.  It's the
one that I think of when I think of Part.

Maurice Rickard                   | "Multimedia will never go anywhere
Designer                          |  until the amateurs take over."
http://www.envirolink.org/maurice |                     --David Thomas

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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 16:12:02 +0100 (MET)
From: [e-mail] (Stephen Fruitman)
Subject: Re: arvo part

>i was wondering if anyone had any favourite Part discs they would
>recommen. i liked Arbos quite a bit when i got it from a library at uni
>ages ago. i have since acquired de Profundis, but i think i still prefer
>what i remember of Arbos.

Everything by P=E4rt released on ECM New Series, from _Tabula Rasa_ to his
latest, _Alina_. And on Telarc, _Fratres_, which includes six different
versions of that piece. Stephen



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