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Zorn List Digest       Monday, November 29 1999       Volume 02 : Number 801



In this issue:
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       RE: fiona apple
       Re: Zorn Interview...come read, everyone!
       Re: RADICAL jewish culture.... no way
       Zorn Jazziz interview
       RE: Jazziz Article
       Knitting On The Roof
       John King Electric World
       Re: published music
       Re: John King Electric World
       DECEMBER Sale Items (mixed)
       Re: PainKiller/Golden Palominos/ Last Exit mp3s
       Re: radical Jewish culture .. not
       Re: fiona apple
       Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #800
       RE: PainKiller/Golden Palominos/ Last Exit mp3s
       Re: PainKiller/Golden Palominos/ Last Exit mp3s
       Re: PainKiller/Golden Palominos/ Last Exit mp3s
       Re: Knitting On The Roof
       Forever Einstein in New Haven

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Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 15:49:04 -0800
From: "Dave Egan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: fiona apple

There's a closer connection than that!

Fiona's bass player is Keith Lowe, who also plays with Bill Frisell and Zony
Mash.  Don't know if Keith plays on the latest CD, but I know he tours with
her band.

- - Dave

>
> As well as---on the lead single, no less!---Matt Chamberlain, drummer for
> Critters Buggin, who have a saxophonist in common with Ponga, featuring
> Wayne Horvitz, who played in Naked City, with JZ....wow!  Four dgrees of
> separation between Zorn and Fiona Apple.  Yes, it is a small
> world.  And a
> mad mad mad mad


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Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 23:53:26 GMT
From: "Scott Handley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn Interview...come read, everyone!

Thanks to those of you who posted this link.  This is perhaps simply the
best article on Zorn I've read, including the much better than average
William Duckworth interview.  Kudos to Larry Blumenthal for his excellence
and---though striding a hair close to breathless gushing fandom---pretty
agenda-free writing.  Maybe not as much the writing as the basic questions,
letting Zorn open up about method, instead of about things like his sex life
or record collection, the preoccupations of idiot journalism a la NEW YORKER
or NYT.  What drek. I haven't been listening to enough Zorn lately to
formulate a critique of the man's music; it'd actually be interesting to
read some serious critiques of the music, or serios _criticism_ at least,
instead of the dismissive/pandering bullshit that characterizes so much of
the popular (& academic?) writing.

Thanks, Larry.

- ---s
>did you try
>http://www.jazziz.com/current/pages/feature/John_Zorn.html
>
>out
>   H


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Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:25:13 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: RADICAL jewish culture.... no way

I think some of your confusion may come from not understanding the
critical word in the series title: "Radical". Zorn's music no more
represents the Orthodox establishment than the Yippies represented
the Republican Party (their later efforts notwithstanding). To
blame Zorn for actions of the Orthodox would be
similar to, well, blaming you for the actions of any European in the
past few decades.

In a sense, one significant factor of Jewish discource is disagreement --
the entire Talmud is, in essense, 66 volumes of arguments. And a major
factor in the worldview is that no human is perfect, that we all have
things on which we might improve.

And it might be worth examining what it is in yourself that triggered
your attack (and yes, despite
your brandishing the pallid "some of my best friends" defence, it was
an attack).

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Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:00:34 -0500
From: Richard Ladew <[e-mail]>
Subject: Zorn Jazziz interview

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The address was wrong in the original post, hence the 404.  Here's the
real address:

> http://www.jazziz.com/current/pages/feature/John_Zorn.html
>


Bye for now
R

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www.home.earthlink.net/~ladewtangclan
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Real Audio at www.wunh.unh.edu


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<HTML>
The address was wrong in the original post, hence the 404.  Here's
the real address:
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<PRE><A HREF="http://www.jazziz.com/current/pages/feature/John_Zorn.html">http://www.jazziz.com/current/pages/feature/John_Zorn.html</A></PRE>
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<P>Bye for now
<BR>R

<P>--
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<BR>PCP House Of Coffee: The best in modern, experimental and creative
music
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 01:22:11 -0200
From: "Hugo Linares" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Jazziz Article

What is the precis date and number of the Jazziz issue featuring the Zorn
interview? I can┤t seem to get that info from the website. Stephen



JOHN ZORN
August 1999
Volume 16 Number 8


Hugo,








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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:36:30 +1100
From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Knitting On The Roof

I just got this cd today. I was quite intrigued by the list of artists for
this Knitting Factory take on the Fiddler songs (Eugene Chadbourne, The
Residents and Negativland alongside more obvious choices like Uri Caine,
Hasidic New Wave and Naftule's Dream). I'd be interested to hear other
people's opinions, because to me (admitted after only one listen) some of
the tracks seem pretty half-hearted... For anyone who's interested, I'll
give a brief description of some of the songs here:

- - Tevye's Dream by Negativland: good, the perfect Fiddler piece for them to
do - as Tevye describes his dream, samples are used to create the
appropriate mood. Still, it manages to get a bit repetitive by the end.

- - Matchmaker by The Residents: some interesting ideas, but more "funny"
than anything else. Similar screwing around with the key as on their Elvis
stuff.

- - Sabbath Prayer by Uri Caine: not much of an arrangement, moves pretty
rampantly between free improv type stuff and the calmness of the actual
song. But his playing can never really disappoint me. Here, he has Lorin
Sklamberg adding some vocals here and there.

- - If I Were A Rich Man by Magnetic Fields: quite boring, some guy playing
mandolin or something similar and singing the song slowly in a monotone.
Plus it is one of the longest tracks on the cd.

- - To Life by Naftule's Dream: like their usual stuff but much faster, and
with more distorted guitar. They rearrange the song quite a lot and it's
ok, nothing special unless you like hearing people playing really fast for
the hell of it.

- - Miracle of Miracles by Eugene Chadbourne: quite funny "rockabilly"
version with Chadbourne doing some amusing vocals.

- - Do You Love Me? by Come: never heard of this band, but this is very good
and hilarious. The music plays in the background while the lines of the
song are superimposed, but as a telephone conversation between Tevye and
his wife. One reason this works so well is that she often replies "What?"
in disbelief but here they use it as if she has not heard what he has said
over the phone.

Those are the most noteable ones, also included on the cd are New Orleans
Klezmer Allstars, Jill Sobule, Hasidic New Wave, David S. Ware, Elliot
Sharp and Paradox Trio.

Julian.

- -

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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 09:52:37 +0300
From: admin <[e-mail]>
Subject: John King Electric World

    Can anybody tell me smth. 'bout LP by John King Electric World "Hot Thumb
In A Funky Groove"? LP was issued by ENEMY Rec. and has a very little info
(song titles and line-up (which incl. Zeena Parkins & Ned Rozenthal) only).
Can you tell me is it an album or a collection and when it it was recorded.
Also, can smbd. tell me smth. 'bout The Residents line-up (I know it's
secret, but ...).
    To the jewish culture discussion: I DO live in Russia, in it's special
(for antisemitism) region (Krasnodar), where VERY popular region-governor
spends most of his time fighting sionists (mostly imaginery). Though I'm
not jew it really hurts. Excuse me for some off-topic, but here we must
live in it. Excuse also my poor English.

    A.Bezguzov

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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 06:26:33 -0500
From: stephen drury <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: published music

At 04:07 PM 11/28/99 -0700, Stephen wrote:

Anyone know where I can get ahold of the score to the string quartet _Kol
Nidre_ by Mr. Zorn?

Much of John's music is now available through Carl Fischer in New York City
- - contact Bill Rhodes at 212-777-0900 if you run into problems.  (I don't
know about which specific pieces have been published.)


- --steve
www.stephendrury.com


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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:53:04 CET
From: "Andreas Dietz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: John King Electric World

>    Can anybody tell me smth. 'bout LP by John King Electric World "Hot Thumb
>In A Funky Groove"? LP was issued by ENEMY Rec. and has a very little info
>(song titles and line-up (which incl. Zeena Parkins & Ned Rozenthal) only).
>Can you tell me is it an album or a collection and when it it was recorded.
>    A.Bezguzov
>

JOHN KING ELECTRIC WORLD / HOT THUMB IN A FUNKY GROOVE

recorded in NYC 1992

JOHN KING    EG DOB VOC
JEAN CHAINE    BG
DAVID MOSS    DR VOI (1,2,5-7,9,13,15,16)
ABE SPELLER    DR (4,8)
AL SIS          DR (3)
JONATHAN KANE    DR (1,10)
ZEENA PARKINS    EHARP KEY (8,11-14)
NED ROTHENBERG    AS (2,11-14)

HOT THUMB IN A FUNKY GROOVE
BIG BLACK SHOES
OIL GREED WAR
DOWN ON IT
FREE TIME FOR NELSON
WAITING FOR TANYA
PANAMA
WHAT FUNK YOU GOT
JAMMIN' THE JITTERBUG
SKY BLUES
PURPLE BRAIN
FIREFLY
HOLE WITH A SOUL
SUGARLESS MINTS
SHUT UP
MY ONLY FOOD (IS ATTITUDE)
SWING LOW, SWEET CHARIOT

Andreas Dietz

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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:17:52 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Patrick Carey)
Subject: DECEMBER Sale Items (mixed)

Hello ...

I have items FS by the following artists (and others)
at the URL at the bottom of this message.  Please check
out the list and email if anything interests you.

Arsenal, (lots of) Aube, Babyland, Clock DVA, Delphium, DJ Spooky,
Eye & Zorn, Jesus Lizard, Jim O'Rourke, Lull, Masonna, Moonshake,
Null, Small Cruel Party, Telepherique, Tony Conrad, Total, Zeni Geva.

- ---
Prices are in _US $_ and are POSTAGE PAID within North America.
Shipping on orders outside NA can be arranged.

If you don't like a price, please don't hesitate to
let me know what you'd be willing to pay.

A "price/OFFERS" listing means an item is for sale at that
price, unless an offer above this price has been made.
An "OFFERS" listing is just that.  Make me a reasonable
offer and I'll get back to you.
- ---

Thanks


- -Patrick
[e-mail]
http://www.astro.utoronto.ca/~carey/sofa/muse.html



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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 09:43:54 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: PainKiller/Golden Palominos/ Last Exit mp3s

In a message dated 11/26/99 7:16:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<<   There are some great live mp3s being posted to the
 alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.bootlegs newsgroup, including 70 min. of PainKiller
 in Germany from '96, an early Palominos concert, and Last Exit from '86 in
 Frankfurt.  >>

Can someone please supply a URL for these? Thanks!

Dale.

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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 09:47:44 -0500
From: Tal Goldman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: radical Jewish culture .. not

I might be the only Orthodox member of the Z-list and I find most of the
remarks
on this subject to be fundamentally uninformed regarding Orthodox
Judaism(the Torah
quote mentioned by the original poster simply does not exist for eg.).

In my view however the "Radical J culture" thing has been successful
generally when
its ties to traditional Jewish music and culture are the most loose(not
to say "minimal").

This is to say that Masada, Naftule's Dream, and Anthony Coleman work
better
for me that the very disappointing London/Caine CD, Ivo Perelman's CD
of traditional songs or Avenaim/Ambarchi.  I was actually looking
forward
to these latter three, but I think that the charm of traditional music
is tied to
an approach called "tamim" in Hebrew (meaning "simple purity") - eg.
less-kitschy Shlomo Carlebach.


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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:58:32 PST
From: "Dr.J.M. Schuller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: fiona apple

Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 23:06:43 GMT
From: "Scott Handley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: fiona apple
And also, please do not forget the great Keith Lowe! He plays bass on the
album and is the touring bassist. If you don't know the Horvitz connection
here- he is the bass player for Zony Mash. Bill Frisell/Eyvind Kang/Danny
Barnes connection- he is the bass player for the Willies. Critter's Buggin
connection- He plays in many bands with Skerik- Battlestar Dislexica, Crack
Sabbath. Santana connection- he plays in a band with Horvitz, Skerik and
Michael Shreive (ex-Santana)

It goes on and on with this guy. Does this make it three degrees?


As well as---on the lead single, no less!---Matt Chamberlain, drummer for
Critters Buggin, who have a saxophonist in common with Ponga, featuring
Wayne Horvitz, who played in Naked City, with JZ....wow!  Four dgrees of
separation between Zorn and Fiona Apple.  Yes, it is a small world.  And a
mad mad mad mad


>     My girlfriend bought the latest Fiona Apple CD and
>Greg Cohen is featured on one of the songs, along with
>Jim Keltner... Just an interesting fact....

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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:50:01 +0000
From: "Philip Clarkson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #800

> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:17:32 -0600
> From: "Christopher Lupold" <[e-mail]>
> Subject: PainKiller/Golden Palominos/ Last Exit mp3s
>
>   There are some great live mp3s being posted to the
> alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.bootlegs newsgroup, including 70 min. of PainKiller
> in Germany from '96, an early Palominos concert, and Last Exit from '86 in
> Frankfurt. There are also some Praxis, Material, and Defunkt concerts.

> In a message dated 11/26/99 7:16:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [e-mail] writes:

> And how exactly do we get to these?

> Dale.

Any more information about which sites are hosting these mp3s? I've tried
but can't pick up this newsgroup...

Thanks

Phil Clarkson

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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:30:49 -0800
From: "Benito Vergara" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: PainKiller/Golden Palominos/ Last Exit mp3s

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of [e-mail]
> Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 6:44 AM

> In a message dated 11/26/99 7:16:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [e-mail] writes:
>
> <<   There are some great live mp3s being posted to the
>  alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.bootlegs newsgroup, including 70 min. of
> PainKiller
>  in Germany from '96, an early Palominos concert, and Last Exit
> from '86 in
>  Frankfurt.  >>
>
> Can someone please supply a URL for these? Thanks!

It's not a website -- it's on the usenet newsgroup
alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.bootlegs

I didn't want to bring it up on the list (didn't want the wrath of Zorn, no
pun intended, on my head), but since someone already brought it up: last
month the same feller (bless 'im!) responsible for the above also posted a
Naked City concert (in Montreux) and a Masada concert (maybe the Middelheim
one, not sure 'cause I didn't download it).

Later,
Ben

http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara/
ICQ# 12832406


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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:03:34 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: PainKiller/Golden Palominos/ Last Exit mp3s

In a message dated 11/29/99 4:37:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<<
 It's not a website -- it's on the usenet newsgroup
 alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.bootlegs

  >>

Well in that case, can someone please post instructions on how to get to
wherever this is for us newsgroup illiterates?

Thanks.

Dale.

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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:30:29 -0500
From: Rich Williams <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: PainKiller/Golden Palominos/ Last Exit mp3s

>In a message dated 11/26/99 7:16:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>[e-mail] writes:
>
><<   There are some great live mp3s being posted to the
> alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.bootlegs newsgroup, including 70 min. of PainKiller
> in Germany from '96, an early Palominos concert, and Last Exit from '86 in
> Frankfurt.  >>
>
>Can someone please supply a URL for these? Thanks!
>
>Any more information about which sites are hosting these mp3s? I've tried
>but can't pick up this newsgroup...


    This is a Usenet newsgroup. You'll need a good Newsreader
like Forte's Agent for the PC, or YA-Newswatcher for the Mac, and a
good quality internet provider that has enough bandwidth dedicated to
their Usenet server.
    If your ISP doesn't measure up, you can connect to a
third-party Usenet server( try www.supernews.com  or
www.newsguy.com). These servers specialize in the binary groups and
will usually have all the postings you hear so much about(mp3's,
pornography, pirated software etc..)


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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:21:46 -0500
From: Rich Williams <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Knitting On The Roof

>I just got this cd today. I was quite intrigued by the list of artists

(snip)

>- Do You Love Me? by Come: never heard of this band, but this is very good
>and hilarious. The music plays in the background while the lines of the
>song are superimposed, but as a telephone conversation between Tevye and
>his wife. One reason this works so well is that she often replies "What?"
>in disbelief but here they use it as if she has not heard what he has said
>over the phone.

    Come is the latest in a long line of bands led by
Guitarist/Singer Thalia Zedek. Her previous groups were  Dangerous
Birds, UZI, and Live Skull, (Naked City covered one of their tunes)

RW


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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:17:54 -0500
From: Rich Williams <[e-mail]>
Subject: Forever Einstein in New Haven

Just a note to let any of the locals know that Forever Einstein will
be appearing once again at Cafe Nine in New Haven this Wednesday
night.....Almost makes living in Connecticut palatable.....

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