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Zorn List Digest       Monday, November 22 1999       Volume 02 : Number 795



In this issue:
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       Re: tony williams (beware: off topic!)
       Prelapse interview
       Is Masada discs 1-10 now domesticated?
       Re: tony williams (beware: off topic!)
       O'Rourke/Mazzacane Connors collaborations
       A special...
       Re: arto & golden palominos
       merzbow/patton etc.
       Re: more Stooges than you'll ever want
       Re: merzbow/patton etc.
       Maldoror (the book)
       Zony Mash new CDs
       Re: Maldoror (the book)
       Re: Maldoror (the book)
       Lindsay's PRIZE - different release
       Re: Zorn's favourite ethnic recordings (long)
       Re: arto & golden palominos
       Re: Zorn's favourite ethnic recordings (long)
       Re: Maldoror (the book)
       Re: Zorn's favourite ethnic recordings (long)
       Re: tony williams (beware: off topic!)
       Re: Lindsay's PRIZE - different release

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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 20:33:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Eric Martens <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: tony williams (beware: off topic!)

- --- ADM <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Do yourself a favor and get Tony Williams Lifetime
> "Emergency!".

Seconded, but:

 I have heard that not much else from
> Lifetime measures up

I have to disagree. Personally, the secong Lifetime
album, "turn it over" (w/ McLaughlin, Young & Jack
Bruce) is even better: harsher, darker, more intense .
. . the opening take on Chick Corea's "To Whom it May
Concern" is probably one of my favorite recordings of
all time . . . also, Williams' vocals are a lot better
this time, still not exactly good, but remarkably
effective nonetheless.

And there are actually some good moments on the third
Lifetime album, "Ego" (w/Young, Ron Carter, & a
guitarist & 2 percussionists whose names I don't
remember, but no McLaughlin), though I probably
wouldn't pay full price for it again.

Later,
Eric

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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 23:57:08 -0500
From: Richard Ladew <[e-mail]>
Subject: Prelapse interview

For the last month and a half or so, I have been featuring the Prelapse
group both on my website and radio show.  Anyone who misses Naked City
would (should?) appreciate this immensely, although I should add that
their original compositions are far from imitations or carbon copies.
The site also features various live photos I took from when the band
opened for a Zorn/Patton gig in Northampton, Ma. in1996, as well as
concert programs from the Stephen drury sponsored NEC Zorn fest, which
took place Feb. 5th 1996.  the direct link is at
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~ladewtangclan/aotm.html

Until the end of November, I'll be featuring all kinds of exciting Naked
City and Prelapse music, interviews, and etc. on my radio show which you
can get through real audio.

- --
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 02:18:13 -0600
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Is Masada discs 1-10 now domesticated?

I thought I saw cdnow having them rereleased this year with different
prices, but then again they could be totally wrong.
Does anyone know if they are now domestic?
thanks
Nick

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 04:36:01 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: tony williams (beware: off topic!)

For an amazing latin influenced jazz album you should try to find Stan Getz's
"Captian Marvel" Album (I think it was reissued as "The Lyrical Stan Getz").
This is a superb group consisting of Stan Getz on Sax, Stanley Clarke: Bass,
Bass (Electric),Chick Corea: Piano, Piano (Electric), Airto Moreira:
Percussion, and Tony Williams: Drums.  This is an extemely underated
album/group which has fusionesque energy but a more jazzy vocab.  For a mor
"out there" you should check out the Eric Dolphy album "Out to Lunch."  This
is a classic free jazz album with amazing performances throughout.

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 08:50:58 -0500
From: "David J. Keffer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: O'Rourke/Mazzacane Connors collaborations

A couple weeks ago, somebody (Jon A., I think)
wrote in a review of the new Jim O'Rourke and
Loren Mazzacane Connors release, a cd of guitar
duets, titled "In Bern" released on Hat Hut.

Well, I have now given the cd repeated listens
and I will add to the earlier review.  The cd
is somewhat mellow.  Very nice.  Not strictly
improv.  There is presumably some improv happening
but there seems to have been some underlying
structure agreed upon beforehand.
This is my favorite kind of improv, usually.
In a nutshell, not chaotic plink-plonk insect
improv.  Very recommended.

On the other hand, I think that there are two
releases which include O'Rourke/Mazzacane Connor
guitar duets which are superior to the Hat Hut
release but they each only include 1 track of the duo.

The first is on the untitled meme
compilation on meme (meme000 cd), which features
one track entitled "There's Hell in Bern", which
is presumably from teh same sessions as "In Bern"
but is a very sweet revisit of one of the songs
on O'Rourke's Eureka (I think Eureka, maybe Bad
Timing, I forget).

The second is on the cd "Playbacks" by Derek Bailey
on Bingo (BIN 004).  This cd has one track with
a guitar duet by  Jim O'Rourke and
Loren Mazzacane Connors.  On top of the duet,
a track with some spoken word comments by
Derek Bailey is overlaid.  Track is called "George".
Pays homage to George Lewis.  Very nice.

David K.









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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 08:44:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Theo Klaase <[e-mail]>
Subject: A special...

www.knittingfactory.com has 3 CD's for $30... Check it
out!



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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 12:30:14 -0500 (EST)
From: Ethan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: arto & golden palominos

I think this is fairly accurate - chris stamey told me that he played
with the golden palominos before the first album came out & that they were
mainly a samba band at the time (!), which certainly indicates that arto
was involved more than on the subsequent released recordings.

ethan


>
> >The first Golden Palominos is an amazing records and Arto is all over. In
> >fact, I am wondering if the initial Golden Palominos was not a project of
> >both Anton and Arto.
>
> That was my impression at the time it came out. Subsequently, it became entirely
> Fier-driven...


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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 13:15:24 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: merzbow/patton etc.

did anyone come across the merzbow documentary mentioned not too long ago?
anyone who might have got a copy or any other merzbow related vids please
contact me.

also i am still looking for the patton show from a couple of weeks ago at the
knitting factory as well as the zorn/lombardo/patton live shows. thanks.   jt

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 10:53:59 -0500
From: James Hale <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: more Stooges than you'll ever want

Lang Thompson wrote:
>
> If you haven't heard yet, Rhino Handmade is releasing a 7-CD box set of all
> recordings connected with the Stooges' "Funhouse":  alternate takes, false
> starts, studio chatter, the works.

"Funhouse" wasn't one take???
Oh, man, another illusion shattered.

James Hale


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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 16:06:44 -0500
From: "Nirav Soni" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: merzbow/patton etc.

> did anyone come across the merzbow documentary mentioned not too long ago?
> anyone who might have got a copy or any other merzbow related vids please
> contact me.

There is a Merzbow video coming with the Merzbox, so if you willing to shell out
$500 you'll have it along with either 50 or 100 Merzbow cds, I can't remeber which.
If anyone does see that info on that documentary, please post to the list. I have a
friend in Osaka looking for it for me, so if I get any info, I'll send a heads up.

Cheers,
Nirav
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pointless!" - The New Blockaders, from the liner notes of 'TNB EST MORT'



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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 11:13:23 +1030
From: Sinclair <[e-mail]>
Subject: Maldoror (the book)

Hi all, A while back someone here made a distinctio between the various
translations of Maldoror, identifying one as the best read. Could that
person please remind me which one it was, im keen to check it out.
Case

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 18:28:38 -0800
From: "Dave Egan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Zony Mash new CDs

Hey Zornlisters,

Last night I had the pleasure of hearing rough mixes of the two new Zony
Mash CDs.  The electric disc (Upper Egypt) sounds great.  I've enjoyed their
previous discs, but I've always wished that Zony Mash would do a live CD.
Zony Mash is great fun to see live - they're so tight and there's  lots of
energy.  The studio CDs always sounded perfect and refined to me, but not
much of a reflection of the live band.  I'm happy to report that Upper Egypt
has a lot more of the live energy than the older discs, and I think there's
more range in their sound palette than ever before too.  Tim Young
contributes much more on guitar than in the past.  I think he's really grown
in the last couple of years.  I was thinking this was Zony Mash's best CD to
date, but then I heard the other one ...

The Zony Mash acoustic disc is entitled American Bandstand.  It has almost
all new music - there's one tune that appears on both of the new CDs.  Wayne
plays piano all the way through on this one, and his playing is simply
stunning.  I've never heard him sound better on record.  Most of the songs
are pretty quiet and introspective, and beautifully realized.  This is a
heartbreakingly beautiful disc!  The band has done only a handful of
acoustic gigs, but the tapes I've collected have been getting a lot of
playing time at home.  I'm sure this CD will get plenty as well!

The CDs are due to be released sometime in the spring.  Upper Egypt will be
on Knitting Factory Records, and American Bandstand will be on Songlines.
I'd recommend both!

- - Dave


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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 03:01:53 -0500
From: Lang Thompson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Maldoror (the book)

>Hi all, A while back someone here made a distinctio between the various
>translations of Maldoror, identifying one as the best read. Could that
>person please remind me which one it was, im keen to check it out.


Don't remember that discussion but the Alex Lykiard is generally considered
to be the best; however I think it may have gone out of print in the US
(but I guess from your e-mail address that you're not in the US; this was
published by a British publisher--at least my copy was).  The Penguin
edition is easiest to find.  There was another translation during the 60s I
think; have only read bits of that one.  Also heard rumors about one that
was done recently but don't know if that's been published.

LT
Full Alert Film Review
http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm

Funhouse
http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/funhouse.htm

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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 03:59:53 -0500
From: John Drauss <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Maldoror (the book)

Exact Change press, which was founded by Damon and Naomi of Galaxy 500 fame,
publish
a fancy edition of the Lykiard edition of Maldoror (and his other works in the
same book) along
with a slew of other previously out of print works of "avant gard" and
experimental literature.
Web page is:
http://world.std.com/~rrose/

John


Lang Thompson wrote:

> >Hi all, A while back someone here made a distinctio between the various
> >translations of Maldoror, identifying one as the best read. Could that
> >person please remind me which one it was, im keen to check it out.
>
> Don't remember that discussion but the Alex Lykiard is generally considered
> to be the best; however I think it may have gone out of print in the US
> (but I guess from your e-mail address that you're not in the US; this was
> published by a British publisher--at least my copy was).  The Penguin
> edition is easiest to find.  There was another translation during the 60s I
> think; have only read bits of that one.  Also heard rumors about one that
> was done recently but don't know if that's been published.
>
> LT
> Full Alert Film Review
> http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm
>
> Funhouse
> http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/funhouse.htm
>
> -


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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 11:45:01 +0100
From: "Artur Nowak" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Lindsay's PRIZE - different release

Hi Philozorners,

I have a question regarding the new and exciting Arto Lindsay's album
PRIZE. I found info about a different release of this album, by Avex
(?) records, which is suposed to contain some "extra" tracks. I can
cuess, that's the Japanese release, which was published first
(September 10, 1999), and - as usually - has few extra songs, which
are not included in the american pressing. What's the "extra" content?
Is it worth paying double price ($28.50)? I found it at amazon.com:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00002DD9T/emd

Pozdrawiam
    __________________________________________________________________
    Artur Nowak [arno AT emd.pl]
    www.emd.pl - Discography of Bill Frisell


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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 12:44:09 +0100
From: "M. van Santen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn's favourite ethnic recordings (long)

> My Favourite Ethnic Recordings
> John Zorn

Speeking of favourite recordings, does anyone still have Zorn's monthly
top-10 lists they used to have on the tzadik website? Could someone
please send them to me (privatly)? I lost them some time ago.

Thanx,
Martijn


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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 15:39:02 -0500
From: Rich Williams <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: arto & golden palominos

>I think this is fairly accurate - chris stamey told me that he played
>with the golden palominos before the first album came out & that they were
>mainly a samba band at the time (!), which certainly indicates that arto
>was involved more than on the subsequent released recordings.
>
>ethan
>
>
> >
> > >The first Golden Palominos is an amazing records and Arto is all over. In
> > >fact, I am wondering if the initial Golden Palominos was not a project of
> > >both Anton and Arto.
> >
> > That was my impression at the time it came out. Subsequently, it
>became entirely
> > Fier-driven...

    As I remember it, The very first aggregation that called
itself the GP's was the mutant funk/improv line-up that made the
first LP, and did a handful of amazing live gigs in 1982.  In 83 they
toured Europe with a  heavier, guitar driven line-up  (w/o Arto).
Some time later, the band with Stamey/Straw/Harris/Blegvad was formed.
    It sounds to me like Stamey was referring to the early
Ambitous Lovers, which revolved around Lindsay & Fier and actually
was a samba band(more or less).


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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 16:33:30 -0500
From: Lang Thompson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn's favourite ethnic recordings (long)

>Speeking of favourite recordings, does anyone still have Zorn's monthly
>top-10 lists they used to have on the tzadik website? Could someone
>please send them to me (privatly)? I lost them some time ago.

Or better yet please post them so that others of us that are interested can
save them this time.  Wonder if there's any chance of getting copyright
clearance from Zorn to post them on a website?

LT
Full Alert Film Review
http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm

Funhouse
http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/funhouse.htm

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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 16:33:15 -0500
From: Lang Thompson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Maldoror (the book)

>Exact Change press, which was founded by Damon and Naomi of Galaxy 500 fame,
>publish
>a fancy edition of the Lykiard edition of Maldoror (and his other works in
the


Good news then.  Exact Change does high quality publications & probably
have plenty of interest to Zorn listers with a taste for surrealist &
surr-releated literature.  Similar to what Atlas does in the UK.

LT
Full Alert Film Review
http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm

Funhouse
http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/funhouse.htm

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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 00:14:22 -0800 (PST)
From: "m. rizzi" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn's favourite ethnic recordings (long)

>>Speeking of favourite recordings, does anyone still have Zorn's monthly
>>top-10 lists they used to have on the tzadik website? Could someone
>>please send them to me (privatly)? I lost them some time ago.

>Or better yet please post them so that others of us that are interested can
>save them this time.  Wonder if there's any chance of getting copyright
>clearance from Zorn to post them on a website?

    My guess is that you'll see them reappear
    on the tzadik website some time in the
    not to distant future...

    mike


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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 11:31:32 +0200
From: "Jeroen de Boer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: tony williams (beware: off topic!)

Be sure to check out Eric Dolphy's 'Out to Lunch' and Andrew Hill's
'Point of Departure' (featuring Dolphy). It shows Williams in a more
adventurous role, because these albums slightly depart from the
conventional hardbop recordings from that period.
Both albums are available on Blue Note in the so-called Rudy van
Gelder edition.


Jeroen


> any recommendations on essential tony williams releases? solo and/or as
> side-man.


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music director Open Electronic Festival
Munnekeholm 10
9711 JA Groningen, The Netherlands
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fax. [phone]
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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 08:45:43 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Lindsay's PRIZE - different release

On Sun, 21 Nov 1999 11:45:01 +0100  "Artur Nowak" wrote:
>
> Hi Philozorners,
>
> I have a question regarding the new and exciting Arto Lindsay's album
> PRIZE. I found info about a different release of this album, by Avex
> (?) records, which is suposed to contain some "extra" tracks. I can
> cuess, that's the Japanese release, which was published first
> (September 10, 1999), and - as usually - has few extra songs, which
> are not included in the american pressing. What's the "extra" content?
> Is it worth paying double price ($28.50)? I found it at amazon.com:
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00002DD9T/emd

- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

151 - PRIZE: Arto Lindsay

    1/ Ondina
    2/ The Prize
    3/ Pode Ficar
    4/ Prefeelings
    5/ Modos
    6/ Ex-Preguica
    7/ Unsure
    8/ Resemblances
    9/ Nome Dela
    10/ Tone
    11/ Interior Life
    12/ E Ai Esqueco
    13/ Porno Samba

    Produced by Andres Levin and Melvin Gibbs with Arto Lindsay

  Arto Lindsay: vocals, guitar; Melvin Gibbs: bass, programming, keyboards,
  filter; Andres Levin: acoustic guitar, keyboards, programming, Rhythm 700,
  stylophone, pandeiro; Davi Moraes: timbal, caixas, surdos, pandeiro, elec-
  tric guitar; Skoota Warner (all but (9)): drums; Bob Malach (1,2,6): saxes,
  clarinet; Dougie Bowne (1,3): additional keyboards and beats; Sandra Park
  (2,6): violin; Sharon Yamada (2,6): violin; Robert Rinehart (2,6): viola;
  Allen Stepansky (2,6): cello; Vinia Mojica (2,10): vocals; Michael Leonhart
  (3,8): melodica, trumpet; Micah Gaugh (4,11): saxes; Casey Benjamin (4,11):
  saxes; Beans (4): vocals; I-Sound (4,8): noise bits; Vinicius Cantuaria (5,
  8-10): acoustic guitars, percussion, drums; Eyvind Kang (7-9): violin,
  viola; Brian Eno (8): sonic thing; Rod Gross (9): drums; Cyro Baptista (10):
  cuica; Peter Scherer (12): piano; Kazu Makino (12): vocals.

    1999 - Avex Trax (Japan), AVCD-11744 (CD)
    1999 - Righteous Babe (USA), 016 (CD)

  Note: (13) is only available on the Japanese pressing.

- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------


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