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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #794
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Zorn List Digest Friday, November 19 1999 Volume 02 : Number 794
In this issue:
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artoverview (was long)
Re[2]: artoverview (long)
Re: artoverview (long)
Re: New Arto CD
Re: Katerine
Re: artoverview (long)
Tr: Katerine
ennio
Middleheim, Blue Planet Man
Re: Middleheim, Blue Planet Man
Re: New Arto CD
Arto Lindsay Prize
tony williams (beware: off topic!)
Sonny Clark Memorial: Voodoo
Re: tony williams (beware: off topic!)
Paging Herb Levy
Zorn's favourite ethnic recordings (long)
more Stooges than you'll ever want
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 99 12:48:21 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: artoverview (was long)
i expect personal thank you messages from everyone on the list for my being
brief in responding.
first, patrice says:
I believe that his playing has saved many songs from being totally boring.
well, i agree that i've heard plenty of songs where he's the only thing
interesting going on. that, however, is not enough for me to think the song is
of any real value.
then, patrice asks:
How can you compare styles so dramatically opposed (Asian Bar Bands vs Golden
Palomonos/Lounge Lizards)?
didn't mean to compare, except to say where i think it's worth looking for
examples of arto. you're right, they are very different works.
kg
- -
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:44:58 -0500
From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu
Subject: Re[2]: artoverview (long)
Patrice wrote:
>The first Golden Palominos is an amazing records and Arto is all over. In
>fact, I am wondering if the initial Golden Palominos was not a project of
>both Anton and Arto.
That was my impression at the time it came out. Subsequently, it became entirely
Fier-driven...
>If there were any record to choose to illustrate the
>NY scene early '80s, that's the one. I can't describe the music except that
>it is weird and accessible at the same time (thanks, I guess to Anton, Bill,
>and Arto who seem incapable of making cryptic music for the sake of it :-).
It is indeed a pretty amazing record and one which folks should definitely pick
up if they haven't already. Personally, it was one of two releases (along with
'Extended Niceties', by the Love of Life Orchestra, also featuring Arto) that
got me back to reconsidering rock as a potentially viable musical form!
>Also worth checking is "Only One Party" on the VISIONS OF EXCESS (second Golden
>Palominos) - a powerful song with as much energy as "Locus Coruleus" (and the
>only thing I really enjoy on the record).
I actually find 'Visions of Excess' to be of consistent high quality throughout.
It's probably as close as it gets to a "traditional" rock album that I
thoroughly enjoy. Christ, even Michael Stipe is on it! The opening track, 'Boy
(Go)', wipes out anything I've ever heard by REM.
That being said, the follow-up album, 'Blast of Silence', is a miserable,
tedious piece of crap. For my money, they gradually got back on track and the
recent issues have been fairly enjoyable. But those first two stand way out.
Brian Olewnick
- -
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 22:33:09 +0100
From: "Stephane Vuilleumier" <vuilleumier@micro.biol.ethz.ch>
Subject: Re: artoverview (long)
What I find really interesting with Arto is it's pointless to
take apart the "bland" from the "skronk". This seems even
to apply to concerts: The one I saw in Aug 95 had BOTH the "Brazilian"
AND the "Aggregates" styles in alternance (with the same players,
and I can tell you Cantuaria (if it was him) played his heart out
on the Aggregates material, only you couldn't hear him).
Stephane
- -----Original Message-----
From: Patrice L. Roussel <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Date: mercredi, 17. novembre 1999 18:18
Subject: Re: artoverview (long)
>you seem to question the relevance of Arto sprinkling
>some skronk here and there. I tend to disagree with that since I believe
that
>his playing has saved many songs from being totally boring.
...
>How can you compare styles so dramatically opposed (Asian Bar Bands vs
Golden
>Palomonos/Lounge Lizards)? One is about controlled improv in a game piece
>context, and the others are song-oriented.
...
>I totally agree here: AGGREGATES 1-26 is *THE* Arto record to buy first!
- -
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:41:52 -0800
From: Radio Khartoum <xander@sirius.com>
Subject: Re: New Arto CD
Talk about service! Many thanks for the rundown on Arto. Looks like
I'm looking to investigate the most recent stuff first (I do have a
few DNA tracks on Crepuscule's "Fruit of the Original Sin" comp from
'81, btw).
Patrice wrote:
>And Katerine is on the last Kahimi Karie (K.K.K.K.K.)... I was wondering how
>I could describe Karie's voice to a friend and I found it: half-way between
>Jane Birkin and (her daughter) Charlotte Gainsbourg :-).
I might have suggested a modern Claudine Longet with strep throat. ;)
Katerine's on several of her other records as well. Speaking of
Katerine, one of the CDs in the new set is supposed have the
Recyclers backing him, if I got my facts straight. And apparently
it's disgruntling a lot of his popkid fans. I've got to wait till
New Years for my friends in Paris to bring it over.
I'll remember to post something when that Kahimi record with Arto
comes out next year, as I should have an inside line to a copy this
time around...
Cheers,
Alexander
Radio Khartoum http://www.radiokhartoum.com
- -
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:35:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt9@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Katerine
> Speaking of Katerine, one of the CDs in the new set
> is supposed have the Recyclers backing him, if I got
> my facts straight. And apparently it's disgruntling
> a lot of his popkid fans. I've got to wait till
> New Years for my friends in Paris to bring it over.
I don't know whether the Recyclers back him up or not,
but the disc is definitely a different thing for
Katerine... Again, it's pretty dark, experimental and
lo-fi. I can easily imagine it annoying fans of his
previous work, but I think it's the best thing he's
ever done.
-Tom Pratt
=====
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 01:11:38 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: artoverview (long)
Personally I'm real fond of Arto's contributions on two quintessential NYC albums of
the late '80s, 'Desire Develops an Edge' and 'Vertical's Currency' by Kip
Hanrahan...
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:00:28 +0100
From: "in.out" <in.out@wanadoo.fr>
Subject: Tr: Katerine
- ----- Message d'origine -----
De : Tom Pratt <tpratt9@yahoo=2Ecom>
=C0 : <zorn-list@lists=2Exmission=2Ecom>
Envoy=E9 : jeudi 18 novembre 1999 02:35
Objet : Re: Katerine
> > Speaking of Katerine, one of the CDs in the new set
> > is supposed have the Recyclers backing him, if I got
> > my facts straight=2E And apparently it's disgruntling
> > a lot of his popkid fans=2E I've got to wait till
> > New Years for my friends in Paris to bring it over=2E
>
> I don't know whether the Recyclers back him up or not,
> but the disc is definitely a different thing for
> Katerine=2E=2E=2E Again, it's pretty dark, experimental and
> lo-fi=2E I can easily imagine it annoying fans of his
> previous work, but I think it's the best thing he's
> ever done=2E
>
> -Tom Pratt
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> __________________________________________________
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> Bid and sell for free at http://auctions=2Eyahoo=2Ecom
>
Yes the reclyclers are backing him for sure, it means Steve arguelles,
Christophe minck, Benoit Delbecq=2E Noel Akchot=E9 is not playing=2E
And if you understand french, it's more funny than its previous records=2E=
=2E=2E=2E
delphine
- -
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 99 14:40:08 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: ennio
still haven't seen 'the legend of 1900.' sounds good to me, despite the reviews.
i do, however, have a pretty nice newsday article about ennio morricone, that i
will send out to anyone who wants it. i love his music, but have never read too
much about him. write me privately and give me a coupla days (i'm taking a long
weekend for the jump festival at neues kabarett at the brecht forum).
kurt.gottschalk@scni.com
np: comedian harmonists
- -
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Date: 18 Nov 99 17:48:18 EST
From: Brian Price <brian.price@usa.net>
Subject: Middleheim, Blue Planet Man
Hi. I'm just wondering about two things. First, what is the sound quality=
like
on the upcoming Masada album? I love Taipei, but the sound quality takes =
a
little while to get used to. Also, I loved John Patton before I knew of J=
ohn
Zorn and I love the album "The way I feel" with both Zorn and Patton. Wha=
t's
Blue Planet Man like? Input would be greatly appreciated.
____________________________________________________________________
Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D=
1
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:50:44 -0800
From: "wetboy" <sulacco@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Middleheim, Blue Planet Man
- ----- Original Message -----
Hi. I'm just wondering about two things. First, what is the sound quality
like
on the upcoming Masada album?
well if its anything like the copy i have from a bootleg mp3 its amazing,
but i can't speak for the official release
- -
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:01:36 EST
From: Nervenet@aol.com
Subject: Re: New Arto CD
First, to the poster(s) who asked for a review of the CD, I'd call it his
best since "Mundo Civilizado." Take into the equation though, that I consider
"Mundo" to be one of the best CD's of the last 5-10 years, and that I think
this one is almost as good. I love the off-kilter
Brazilian/R&B/drum&bass/rock mixture he's working now and this one is yet
more gold in that vein. Not as surprising as Mundo only because it came later
and now the juxtapositions of, say, Al Green and drum & bass aren't so fresh,
but great songwriting nonetheless, and certainly a livelier set than the
mostly moody and quiet "Noon Chill." The factor that throw this one into
sharper relief and separates it from the previous two is that he's playing a
good amount of guitar here and integrating it into the mix as well - it
doesn't sound like he stopped in the songwriting process and said "OK, how
can I fit some skronk in here?" It just flows out naturally from the songs,
which are also among the most electronic-based things he's released. So
there's my five-minute review.
Second, for the person who asked for a broader overview of Arto's work,
I'd say that it's good to approach chronologically, although I know people
who love his sambas and bossa novas but can't stand his guitar and vice
versa. If you think that hearing someone scrape an untuned guitar to a bossa
rhythm sounds great, dive right into one of the Ambitious Lovers albums. I
favor Greed (1986), but Envy (1984) is great too, although tough to find (in
my neck of the woods anyway). Lust (1990?) softens the approach a bit too
much for me, although there are strong cuts. Before Ambitious Lovers, he was
in DNA, which you can probably find most easily on a fairly well-recorded
Avant release of a 1/2 hour live set from CBGB's circa 1980 (too lazy to
check my numbers right now). After DNA, there was a good amount of work on
Zorn releases (Cobra: Live and Studio, Locus Solus, others) which is likely
to be up your alley if you're on this list. Mid-late 80's saw him doing some
productions and guest appearances on albums, and that continued into the
90's, where he's done lots of productions for (especially, but not
exclusively) Brazilian artists, most notably Caetano Veloso and Marisa Monte
(oh yeah, and David Byrne, too). He's great behind the boards and has
definitely turned me on to a lot of fantastic music this way. In 1995 he came
out with "Aggregates 1-26," a noisy trio album in the vein of DNA, but with
more than fifteen years of experience behind it. Dougie Bowne and Melvin
Gibbs round out the trio. 1996 brought out "O Corpo Sutil (The Subtle Body)"
which was a shockingly pretty and mellow collection of gentle songs, often in
Portuguese, on which he didn't even play guitar. After the initial shock wore
off, I grew to really like this record. Next year was Mundo Civilizado, whihc
I referred to earlier. A great one, IMO. Since Mundo, he's been working
variations on a theme, and I've enjoyed them all immensely. Feel free to
email me off-list if you have other questions.
Patrick M. Brown
Nervenet@aol.com
- -
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 03:15:19 -0500
From: parry@macconnect.com
Subject: Arto Lindsay Prize
Gorgeous songs. The lyrics completely fascinate me and I find something new
in the arrangements every time. I walk around listening to it through
headphones and am transported. Don't ask me where, but wish I had some more
albums that went there.
Parry
- -
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:10:46 +0100
From: patRice <gda@datacomm.ch>
Subject: tony williams (beware: off topic!)
hi y'all.
i'm sure some of you guys and girls out there dig tony williams.
i've only recently started listening to some miles davis stuff he plays
on. (yes, almost unforgiveable since i'm a drummer myself...)
anyway...
any recommendations on essential tony williams releases? solo and/or as
side-man.
looking forward to your replies.
patRice
- -
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 08:01:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Theo Klaase <river_of_dogs@yahoo.com>
Subject: Sonny Clark Memorial: Voodoo
What a CD! I just got it yesterday. Horvitz's
playing is really great on this one. How can you lose
with a line up like Zorn, Previte, Horvitz, and Drummond!?!
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:40:33 -0500
From: "ADM" <adm226@is9.nyu.edu>
Subject: Re: tony williams (beware: off topic!)
Do yourself a favor and get Tony Williams Lifetime "Emergency!". It's John
McLaughlin, Larry Young and Tony and its really awesome. This is easily
some of John McLaughlin's finest jazz playing (no shredding wankery here!)
ever recorded. Young does a good job and Tony Williams is always up front
serving it up. The playing on this CD is so great. Its the only Lifetime
CD I have and I have heard that not much else from Lifetime measures up
(especially the stuff after John McLaughlin left). There is however a
strong downpoint to this disc: on several songs, Williams decides to do some
spoken word/poetry over some more minimal musical passages. BIG MISTAKE!
Its pretty easy to agree that these parts of the CD are no good. You might
even giggle the first time, but you'll learn to deal with it because some of
the best parts come after those spoken passages. Anyway... I know I have
some Blue Note stuff where he is a sideman, but no standouts are popping out
at me at the moment. I'll make sure and get back to you on that stuff. In
the meantime, get Emergency!
- -Aaron
- ----- Original Message -----
From: patRice <gda@datacomm.ch>
To: <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 9:10 AM
Subject: tony williams (beware: off topic!)
> hi y'all.
>
> i'm sure some of you guys and girls out there dig tony williams.
>
> i've only recently started listening to some miles davis stuff he plays
> on. (yes, almost unforgiveable since i'm a drummer myself...)
>
> anyway...
>
> any recommendations on essential tony williams releases? solo and/or as
> side-man.
>
> looking forward to your replies.
>
> patRice
>
> -
>
- -
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 10:45:32 -0800
From: s~Z <keithmar@jetlink.net>
Subject: Paging Herb Levy
Would Herb Levy please contact me at keithmar@jetlink.net
Thanks.
- -
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 23:37:15 +0100
From: "Stephane Vuilleumier" <vuilleumier@micro.biol.ethz.ch>
Subject: Zorn's favourite ethnic recordings (long)
Something mildly on topic I guess, I don't think this has been discussed
here yet (if I'm wrong, at least I've practised my typing).
The latest Resonance is (I guess) about world music and recordings from
the perspective of free improvisation. Several improvising musicians were
asked for their favourite ethnic recordings - including John Zorn (you
know, John Zorn). His contribution follows below.
I'd find it interesting to discuss the subject (relationships, common
points, etc. beween "improv" and "ethnic" music) on the list. Maybe Zorn's
choices are worth chatting about as well. Would anyone care to comment on
these records? I only know of the "Taraf" and "pearl fishermen"
recordings, and they would feature at the top of my list as well.
Stephane
Resonance 7/2, 1999 (p. 41)
My Favourite Ethnic Recordings
John Zorn
For this list I have chosen mostly music from classic LPs and CDs that are
still relatively available in some form or another. My prize collection is
on 78rpm discs and concentrates on Japanese instrumental music from the
Taisho period (1912-1925) featuring the early incorporation of western
instruments such as accordion, guitar, slide guitar, celeste, organ,
piano, xylophone and saxophone with shakuhachi, koto and shamisen. Artists
include Wada Hajime, Kawamoto Haruku, Mikami Hidejoshi, Sakai Motoyuki and
Kanda Joshi performing Japanese uninyo (folksongs) "hot" jazz covers and
startling originals. These bizarre varieties may be impossible to find but
they certainly top my list of favourite ethnic musics.
In no particular order:
TK Ramammoorthy: Fabulous Notes and Beats of the Indian Carnactic Jazz
(EMI/Odeon vinyl).
The San Lucas Band: Music of Guatemala (ABC Command vinyl, COMS-9001).
Kim Sinh: The Art of Kim Sinh (World Music Library CD).
Kim Dae Rae: Supreme (Nices CD).
Taraf de Haidoukis (sic): Honourable Brigands, Magic Horses and Evil Eye
(Cramworld CD, CRAW-13).
Markos Vamvakaris: Rembetica in Piraeus Vol 1&2 (Heritage CD, HT-30).
Markos Vamvakaris: Bouzouki Pioneer (Rounder CD).
Flutes de Pan Melanesiennes: 'Are 'Are Vol 1-3 (Vogue vinyl). The LPs are
out of print, but their recordist Hugo Zemp has issued three full-length
CD's of the same repertoire, namely Solomon Islands: 'Are'are Intimate and
Ritual Music (Chant du Monde 274-693, one disc plus 110-page booklet) and
Solomon Islands: 'Are'are Panpipe Ensembles (Chant du Monde LDX-274-961.62,
two discs plus 90-page booklet).
Pearl Fishermen and Musicians of the Persian Gulf (Ocora vinyl).
Nan-Kouan, ballads sung by Tsai Hsiao-Yueh, Vol. 1 (Ocora CD C-559004),
Vols. 2 & 3 (C-560037/38), Vols. 4, 5 & 6 (C-560039/40/41).
- -
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 22:09:14 -0500
From: Lang Thompson <wlt4@mindspring.com>
Subject: more Stooges than you'll ever want
If you haven't heard yet, Rhino Handmade is releasing a 7-CD box set of all
recordings connected with the Stooges' "Funhouse": alternate takes, false
starts, studio chatter, the works. Runs eight hours and doesn't even have
the finished album included. They start taking orders on Monday so save
those pennies!
LT
Full Alert Film Review
http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm
Funhouse
http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/funhouse.htm
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