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Zorn List Digest       Tuesday, November 9 1999       Volume 02 : Number 786



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       Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #783
       Prelapse detail...
       New Nothing Website
       Haino Keiji/John Zorn/Ikue Mori/Z'ev
       ALBOTH!
       Pianists/FMP ??
       Bill Does El & Burt
       jz-> yankees-> george lewis-> aacm
       An adult theme.
       tip for lmc fans in nyc
       lester
       Re: tip for lmc fans in nyc [Fushitsusha]
       Re: lester
       Re: lester
       Words From Lester
       new otomo/marclay 7"
       Re: tip for lmc fans in nyc
       Re: tip for lmc fans in nyc

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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 15:38:55 -0500
From: "David J. Keffer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #783

>Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 18:21:44 GMT
>From: "Scott Handley" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: haino/brotzmann: !#?*
>
>This is from the nice PERFECT SOUND FOREVER article on Haino, which seems
>like a nice, even critical overview of Haino's recorded work:
>
>"And perhaps, one day, the recording of Fushitsusha playing with Peter
>Brotzmann will see daylight. (Haino acknowledges its existence, but says
>it's not scheduled for release.)"
>
>Oh my god.  Could this be?

It happened.  April 26, 1996 at Hosei University Student Hall.
Flyer posted at
http://www.planetc.com/users/keffer/haino/text/index3.html
Click "PSF Flyers"...


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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 23:07:52 -0500
From: "Daniel L Brown" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Prelapse detail...

Well, I bought the Prelapse album - I do like it very much.  But I have a
strange question for anyone out there who might know the answer...

In the song "Mystery Hole", am I hearing a Charles Ives sample?

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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 13:30:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Jason Walton <[e-mail]>
Subject: New Nothing Website

Nothing has a new website featuring all releases,
lyrics, reviews, interviews, links and more.  Please
link this to your sites and delete all links for the
outdated "mythosmedia" site.

http://www.crionicmind.org/nothing

Jason Walton


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Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 17:49:09 -0500
From: "Zachary J. Griffin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Haino Keiji/John Zorn/Ikue Mori/Z'ev

Hi,
  Without going into a full fledged review.  I caught both of the Haino
Keiji/John Zorn/Ikue Mori/Z'ev shows last night and thought that Haino
and the others were terrific.  This was the first time I ever saw Haino
Keiji live, so it was a thrill just seeing how he plays his guitar (as
well as the traditional japanese string instruments) to make the sounds
that he made.  It was also the first time I ever heard the collaboration
of electric guitars and electronic sounds in a live music setting.
After being a little skeptic about it going in, I have to say that I was
blown away by how well those two elements worked together and once again
have to rethink about how music can be created.  Which I seem to do just
about every time I come to New York to see a show.
   I do have a question, however.  Does anyone know why Zorn didn't
appear for the 10pm set?  I don't want to go into the details. I'll just
say that I saw certain things happen preceding the announcement of a
Zorn-less second set.  And I will be the first one to admit that I
didn't see the complete picture.  And I don't want to start any rumors.
But it was a fact that somebody from Tonic got up onto the soundboard
platform and announced that the second set would be without Zorn.  If
this is too personal of a question and none of my business, I understand
and forgive me for asking.  I'm just curious.

Zach Griffin


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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 12:07:36 +0100
From: Shlomo Weintraub <[e-mail]>
Subject: ALBOTH!

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Hi,
Is there anybody out there who is into alboth! ?
does anyone know if they are the planning to bring out a new album?
ciao shlomo

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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 15:57:54 -0700
From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki  (S) " <[e-mail]>
Subject: Pianists/FMP ??

Can anyone comment on these albums/pianists?


Bernard Arndt "inside Insight"
Christine Wodrascka "Vertical"
Misha Mengelberg "impromptus"


Xu Feng Xia "Difference and Similarity"
Sam Rivers "Portrait"


Thanks

- -Matt Wirzbicki

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Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:42:09 +0100 (MET)
From: [e-mail] (Stephen Fruitman)
Subject: Bill Does El & Burt

Is anyone else enjoying Bill Frisell=B4s interpretation of Costello &
Bacharach=B4s songs, _The Sweetest Punch_ (Decca), as much as I am? The
premise behind the project is quite fascinating; Frisell received the tunes
and a demo from Costello before Bacharach had penned the arrangements and
before the duo had gone into the studio to record them. Thus Frisell was
not influenced by the sound of the final product (except perhaps on "God
Give Me Strength", which of course had been available on a film soundtrack
for some time). Though he really cannot hold a candle to Bacharach as
arranger and the group sounds a tad tentative at times, he and his small
ensemble have created a terrific "alternative" version of _Painted From
Memory_. While mainly instrumental, Costello sings on "Toledo", adding a
new verse, and duets with Cassandra Wilson on "I Still Have that Other
Girl", while she herself turns in a sad and sultry performance of the title
track, which in itself is worth the price of admission.

Stephen Fruitman


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Date: Tue, 09 Nov 99 12:48:24 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: jz-> yankees-> george lewis-> aacm

ah, i have achieved content in just three degrees of separation.

ok, if anyone in nyc saw the recent muhal richard abrams or douglas ewart shows,
i'd love to see some reviews. i've been hung up on haino the last two weeks.
kinda makes me feel guilty, since i still count the aacm as my lifeblood. nippon
beats out the second city? what's happened to me? respond privately if you feel
that great black music is too far a stray from radical jewish culture.



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Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 14:46:41 +0200
From: =?iso-8859-9?Q?=22=DCM=DDT_BAYKARA=22?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: An adult theme.

Has anyone noticed that some sounds in the 22th track,  'Butterfly in a Glass
Maze' of Mike Patton's Adult Themes For Voice are very much like the grooving
sounds in Pink Floyd's 'Several Species of Furry Animals etc.etc....' from
Ummagumma album ?

I wonder what Floyd used to create these sounds :-)

Cheers,
Umit.



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Date: Tue, 09 Nov 99 15:39:29 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: tip for lmc fans in nyc

I was at Kim's on Bleeker (the one near NYU) last night. They have 4 or 5 copies
of the newly released Loren MazzaCane Connors & Jim O'Rourke In Bern on Hat Noir
for $10.99. Don't know why. Overpriced Music just a few blocks away has it for
$8 more. Listening to it now -- the first 3.5 minutes sound pretty nice. The
notes say 'if John Cage had composed any country music, it certainly would have
sounded like this.'

And just cause I'm amused, here's the track listing:

01 Now Who Are These Guys?   5:20
02 Still Going ...          19:37
03 Are They Going to Stop?  13:46
04 You Can Stay If You Want,
    But I'm Going Home      10:05

While I'm not working, has anyone heard a new rerelease of an accoustic record
Loren did with a woman folk singer whose name I forget (not Suzanne Langille).
It was one of the selections on the Loren table at Tonic all month. Reviews,
please. I'm also looking for comparisons between Fushitsusha w/ old and new
drummers. This weekend was the first time I've seen them. I liked the drummer
quite a bit, but I understand some didn't. It was awfully sparse'n'harsh.



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Date: Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:56:48 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: lester

Well, I'll pass on the sad news that was just given to me by zornlistmember
Brian. Lester Bowie apparently died last night. I'm looking around for an
obituary now -- will post if I find one.

I'm trying to find in myself the spirit I think Lester would have. (I'm gonna
get sappy, so just deal.) I don't know anything about his religious or spiritual
beliefs, but he came from a very spiritual organization. Especially in Chicago
(where I used to live), the AACM is very much about higher powers and higher
consciousness. The phrase commonly used there is that someone has gone on to the
next level. But I can't help feeling what a loss this is to an organization that
- -- if only in terms of recognition beyond its home base -- seems to be waning,
and one that introduced me to free music.

Lester's lab coat to me always suggested that he was the concoctor. Whereas
Malachi may be a warrior, Joseph a shaman, Roscoe a streetsmart player (and
these are only my perceptions), Lester was the one that brought the spirit of
American music into the mix of African rhythm and improvisatory innovation.
Brass Fantasy updated that interest, upholding the "Great Black Music: Ancient
Into the Future" moniker perhaps more than anyone by putting WC Handy and
Michael Jackson on the same level, and then showing genre distinctions don't
matter so long as you play shit out of the music.

I'm very sad thinking about the shows I've passed up the last few years,
thinking about the Art Ensemble gig I just saw advertised in NJ next year. Jazz
players, like the rest of us, die. But Bowie was like Mr. Greenjeans to me,
explaining with his trumpet the connectedness of music when I was just a little
jazz novice. Once I shake it, though, I'll start focusing on the many many
documentations of him we're fortunate to have, AECO albums like Third Decade,
the Alternative Express, Nice Guys; Brass Fantasy's The Fire This Time; the
Ritual records with Kahil El'Zabar and Malachi Favors Maghoustat (on Silkheart,
I believe -- if you don't have them, and they're still in print, then there's a
problem). And a video, from the mid or late 70s as I recall, of the Art Ensemble
live at (I think) the Jazz Showcase. I had a copy years ago. There's one section
where Lester was playing a huge marching bass drum, hitting it very slowly on
every 4th count. Me and my friend Paul used to watch it over and over in slow
motion, astounded with the ecstatic, trance-like expression on his face.

And I'll think about the couple of brief times I was lucky enough to meet him.
Don't let the lab coat fool you -- when he wasn't playing, the man could dress!

I read an interview with Lester several years ago where he said he would play
his last concert on his 65th birthday. He said he was fortunate enough to be
able to retire, and that many musicians are forced to keep working hard because
they don't have the pension many other occupations offer. I remember figuring
out at the time that that concert would be in like 2003 or so. I would have been
there.

kg



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Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 18:53:51 -0500
From: Jeni Dahmus <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: tip for lmc fans in nyc [Fushitsusha]

[e-mail] wrote:

> I'm also looking for comparisons between Fushitsusha w/ old and new
> drummers. This weekend was the first time I've seen them. I liked the drummer
> quite a bit, but I understand some didn't. It was awfully sparse'n'harsh.

I also saw Fushitsusha for the first time over the weekend.  The concert
transformed me into a Haino worshiper.  In addition to drummer
comparisons, I'm interested in reviews of Haino's dance collaborations.

Jeni

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Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 19:37:07 -0500
From: James Hale <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: lester

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Well, I'll pass on the sad news that was just given to me by zornlistmember
> Brian. Lester Bowie apparently died last night. I'm looking around for an
> obituary now -- will post if I find one.

Shit. Hope you're wrong on this one... I can't find mention of it on
either the Times or CNN sites.
I interviewed Lester last year and he was FULL of life. He's one guy I
couldn't imagine going so young.
Last night I was reading John Litweiler's very funny letter to Lester in
this month's Coda.

James Hale

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Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 19:48:36 -0500
From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: lester

James Hale wrote:

> Shit. Hope you're wrong on this one... I can't find mention of it on
> either the Times or CNN sites.
> I interviewed Lester last year and he was FULL of life. He's one guy I
> couldn't imagine going so young.
> Last night I was reading John Litweiler's very funny letter to Lester in
> this month's Coda.

Sorry, but the info is correct. WKCR has been playing a memorial
broadcast since about 12 noon today. News had been around for about a
month that he had liver cancer, though prior to today my impression was
that, while serious, it wasn't at the life-threatening stage. But...

Listened to 'People in Sorrow' today; don't think I've ever heard more
poignant or deeply felt trumpet playing.

Brian Olewnick

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Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 20:14:04 -0500
From: James Hale <[e-mail]>
Subject: Words From Lester

Here are some words of lasting inspiration from Lester Bowie from an
interview I did with him last year.
Hope they soothe your soul on this sad night.

"I'm pessimistic about how the music is perceived by the general public,
but I'm optimistic about the potential of the music. I'm inspired about
the work that a lot of creative musicians have been doing throughout the
world.

"People are more demanding of their art than they were in the past.
They're more knowledgeable than they were before. For some reason, the
mass media seems to assume that the audience is stupid or doesn't know
what it wants to listen to. The audience is much more intelligent than
we give them credit for. They know that they're missing something; they
want to hear something that applies to them -- not to their fathers or
grandfathers.

"I've seen so many people bored to death by what they've been told is
jazz. These are people who are ready for something fresh and innovative.
I see thousands of people in my audiences every night I play and they're
hungry for the music."

James Hale


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Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:17:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: new otomo/marclay 7"

I picked up the new split 7" on Gentle Giant by
Christian Marclay and Otomo Yoshihide today. Marclay's
side consists of a pretty standard 2-minute
sample/collage thing that doesn't leave too big an
impression (on me at least). Otomo's side is a hectic
sine-wave/cut-up piece that I like quite a bit.

One thing about Otomo, though... When I saw I.S.O. at
Victo last May, I could have sworn Otomo sampled from
Ryoji Ikeda's "Headphonics" off of '+/-' a few times
throughout the performance. Others who witnessed this
seemed to agree with me, but Otomo said he didn't have
that CD with him at the show. I figured it was merely
a coincidence, not so unbelievable since both artists
work with a similar field of sound. Now, on Otomo's
side of this new 7", I'm *definitely* hearing some
pretty obvious samples from Ikeda's '0 Degrees'.

I don't quite know what to make of it all...

          -Tom Pratt

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Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:32:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: tip for lmc fans in nyc

- --- [e-mail] wrote:
>
> I was at Kim's on Bleeker (the one near NYU) last
> night. They have 4 or 5 copies of the newly released
> Loren MazzaCane Connors & Jim O'Rourke In Bern on
> Hat Noir for $10.99. Don't know why. Overpriced
> Music just a few blocks away has it for $8 more.

That's probably because Loren sold them to Kim's
directly while Other Music bought them through a
distributer. Loren sells his CDs to OM directly as
well, but he didn't make it into the store in time
with this one. After the distributer-bought batch
sells out of OM, the buyer will probably get them from
Loren too.

If you compare the regular price for hatHUT discs at
Kim's an OM, I think you'll find them to be very
similar.

Nice disc, by the way...

        -Tom Pratt

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Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 00:36:22 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: tip for lmc fans in nyc

Tom Pratt wrote:

> --- [e-mail] wrote:
> >
> > I was at Kim's on Bleeker (the one near NYU) last
> > night. They have 4 or 5 copies of the newly released
> > Loren MazzaCane Connors & Jim O'Rourke In Bern on
> > Hat Noir for $10.99.
>
> That's probably because Loren sold them to Kim's
> directly while Other Music bought them through a
> distributer.

That was going to be my guess, seeing as how I bought said disc last
night at Downtown Music Gallery for $11.99 because Bruce, too, bought
his copies from Loren.  But since Tom has stepped up and told the story,
there's little need for my guesswork, now, is there?

> If you compare the regular price for hatHUT discs at
> Kim's an OM, I think you'll find them to be very
> similar.

Absolutely true.  Thus, I tend to buy hat releases at OM in almost every
instance except in cases where DMG has an even-lower rock bottom price
due to having purchased them from artists who only sell to Bruce.  I
therefore tend to buy most of my Matt Shipp discs at DMG, and got a
ridiculous deal on the last Joe McPhee CD as well...  (Tom, if Matt is
selling to you guys directly as well now, please correct me...)

> Nice disc, by the way...

Seconded.  It's beautiful.  But the bit about Cage and country music is
kinda silly, dontcha think?

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - Art Ensemble of Chicago, "Uncle," 'Urban Bushmen' (ECM)
(... mourning the loss of Lester Bowie ...)


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