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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #785
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Zorn List Digest Friday, November 5 1999 Volume 02 : Number 785
In this issue:
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Re: ross bolleter
New Susie Ibarra Album
Hosokawa?
Reply to Musings by Alvin Curran
JZ interview
Let's compile a bootleg list
Jump Festival 8 at the Brecht Forum
Pig Pen Query
RE: New Susie Ibarra Album
Re: Pig Pen Query
Re: Pig Pen Query
Re: Pig Pen Query
Re: Pig Pen Query
Re: Pig Pen Query
Re: Pig Pen Query
Re: Pig Pen Query
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:18:57 +0800
From: numbats@iinet.net.au
Subject: Re: ross bolleter
Hi,
I just got this from Ross.
The $25 is Australian (approx 3 Oz = 2 US) so about US$16 + postage.
Contact Ross direct or I could help if there is a problem.
Billy
>Delivered-To: numbats@iinet.net.au
>From: "bolleter" <bolleter@iinet.net.au>
>To: <numbats@iinet.net.au>
>Subject: Chatline Enquiry
>Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:04:37 +0800
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>X-Priority: 3
>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211
>
> Dear Bill, Sorry to be so slow in getting back to
>you.In >terms of the enquiry I am still active musically,having released
>three CDs in >the last year---- Left Hand of the Universe ,The
>Night Moves on Little >Feet and Crow Country -the latter to shortly come
>out on the Pogus label[ New >York ].I am currently working on a radio
>piece involving stories about >aboriginal women with Sound Artist Ron
>Sims .I play accordion in Bulgarity,a >trio specializing in Klezmer and
>Balkan folk music with Mark Cain and Kerry >Fletcher and play solo tangos
>in the Tango Nuevo style .Also composing the >score for Susan Murphy's
>film Blind Love Tango.My CDs can be purchased at a >cost of $25.00 plus
>postage. Thanks for getting in touch >Bill.All good
>wishes,Ross
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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 00:04:47 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: New Susie Ibarra Album
Yes, yes, finally I've got a record to recommend. (Ususally most of you
guys are so far ahead of me these days...)
Susie Ibarra's new album 'Radiance' is the second release on her own
label, Hopscotch. (The first was an album of duets with husband Assif
Tsahar.) The other two band members are Charles Burnham on violin and
Cooper-Moore on piano, harp and diddley-bo (an invented one-string
electric bass instrument).
I bought the disc at a record release party at Tonic last Friday (just
after hearing my other favorite drummer, Jim Black, with the Tiny Bell
Trio in the Old Office of the Knit. The group performed in Halloween
costumes and sang a gospel medley for their last number.
This was only the third or fourth appearance by this band. It's a
surprising group for those who only know Susie's work as a free drummer
with Ware, Parker and Shipp... there are free tracks, sure, but there
are also beautiful melodies and propulsive grooves. And most of the
tracks are quite short.
Dave Douglas mentioned this album in the Fall preview issue of the New
York Times, and he was right to recommend it. It's easily one of my
favorite releases of the year, though it's got none of the fire and
brimstone you might expect of the Vision Fest crowd. Cooper-Moore's
invented harp is especially lovely on the two versions of "Dreams," and
Burham plays the wickedest blooz this side of Ulmer's Odyssey on the
Hendrix tune.
Susie Ibarra Trio: 'Radiance' (1999) Hopscotch CD HOP 02
1. Radiance
a. Blessings 3:34
b. Dreams 5:08
c. Laughter 2:38
2. A Glimpse 3:08
3. Up from the Skies 7:07
4. Half Moon 3:07
5. Jagged Threads 5:24
6. Arboles 5:04
7. Magandang Araw 5:06
8. Dreams (alternate take) 7:03
9. Laughter (alternate take) 2:27
Recorded July 18, 1999 at Roulette by Jim Staley
All compositions by Susie Ibarra except 3 by Jimi Hendrix
Hopscotch Records, PO Box 170279, Times Plaza Station, Brooklyn, NY
11217
All best,
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 23:29:59 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt9@yahoo.com>
Subject: Hosokawa?
Can anyone out there tell me anything about a Japanese
composer named Toshio Hosokawa? I just listened to the
Wergo disc comprised of his "In die Tiefe der Zeit"
and John Cage's "Two^4" for the first time and really
enjoyed his piece (a very delicate and slow-moving
piece for cello and accordion). I'm curious to know
more about this guy. Anyone?
Thanks.
-Tom Pratt
=====
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 23:37:03 -0500
From: "Ljova" <L@Ljova.com>
Subject: Reply to Musings by Alvin Curran
[Dear Jeroen, if you could cross-post this reply to Formhub, and/or email it
to Mr. Curran, I would be much obliged. Thanks!]
I wonder about this post.
It is true that we are now in a new age, where there is a lot of great new
technology, which allows anyone to listen to music from any part of the
world -- all superbly recorded in glorious stereo, by the most authoritative
(hate that word) musicians in their fields. However, it must be stressed
that these recordings are quite expensive to purchase on a regular basis,
and so the alternatives are little -- browse endlessly through mp3.com and
other online sites, or hope to catch something on the radio. Oh, yes, go to
concerts -- but who has the time?
While I respect Alvin's view of "what to do" with this globalization process
in music, I think that composers should probably take a conservative stance.
It is true that Debussy took a lot from the Gamelan, and that Schoenfield,
Bernstein and maybe even Zorn have taken a lot from Jewish idioms -- but
that never changed who they were. Debussy remained a French composer, and
did not become an Indonesian. Zorn and Bernstein were/are devout New
Yorkers, and as far as Schoenfield is concerned -- even though he moved to
Israel, his music sounds essentially American. It has nothing to do with
other Israeli classical composers, or the contemporary Europeans, either.
Not enough stress, has ever been put on the physical/geographical location
of a composer, and the effects it has on his music. There are two basic
factors to a composers' sound -- Education and Location. Both may cull
negative and/or positive responses from the composers -- that is, a composer
may choose to revolt against their education and/or location. But,
basically, they are still attached to them one way or another.
Personally, I was born in Russia, but, for 10 years now I've lived in New
York City. Though I remember Russia vaguely, my musical ideas do not come
from there - they come from New York. The sounds of the Gamelan are
completely foreign to me and my sound world -- I've never experienced them
in my natural habitat. I own a couple CDs of traditional Gamelan music,
but I do not listen to them a lot -- this sort of "push-button" inspiration
does not work for me.
If I were friends with some local guys (or girls) who played Gamelan "for
fun", that would be another story. But until it is present to me as
something exotic, I doubt it will become a part of my language.
At this moment of aural over-saturation that we are in (provided that you
can afford the CDs, (or the earplugs if you hear the sound of MUZAK), there
appears to be no aparent reason to compose -- all of the great music has
already been written, and what's coming out now is just trash. Obviously,
this statement is not true. There is always a reason to compose, and there
is a constant flow of amazing new music from all directions. But this is
thanks to composers doing the most important thing -- EXPRESSING themselves.
expressing THEMSELVES!, and others in their image.
There is more, of course... the endless web of tangled questions about this
and that...
but enough for now. :)
Cheerio!,
Ljova
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Lev "Ljova" Zhurbin
L@Ljova.com
http://www.Ljova.com
"Do not fear mistakes - there are none."
-Miles Davis
> -----Original Message-----
> ********************************************************************
>
> Normally I would avoid like a plague, joining forums about anything
> because inspite of the exciting possibilities of connecting with a
> lot of people you don't know - this kind of communication is very
> time consuming, in contrast with the ancient analogue forms of people
> getting together at precise times to meet in the piazza, town square,
> parlaments, university, church or temple to discuss important and
> pressing issues and ideas.. that said, I was so taken by your
> intelligent and provocative questions that -here I am- sitting and
> writting answers to them.. bravo.
[further snipped]
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:13:25 +0100
From: otto.siegfried@t-online.de (otto)
Subject: JZ interview
For those of you capable of understanding German:
There's a new JZ interview by Bill Milkowski, translated into German, at www.jazzthing.de.
Part I of this interview is only available through the magazine Jazzthing.
Love,
Siegfried
P.S.: Still looking for live stuff from Zorn/Ibarra.
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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 14:37:04 +0100
From: AnneJan van Aperloo <Hok.Pop@net.HCC.nl>
Subject: Let's compile a bootleg list
Hi there,
Recently I traded some recordings with some of you. Most of the recordings
are very good but there's not always a setlist with it. Would it be a good
idea to compile a complete list with recording dates, line up, and setlists
? It would make a great overview of Zorn's work. We could do this as follows:
Send an email to my adres, (mention TRADER in the subject) After a week
I'll send my list containing the setlists, recording dates, line ups I have
to the first one on the list. This person adds dates, setlists etc he (she)
knows and sends the updated list to the second one on the list, and so on.
The last one sends the list back to me and I'll send the complete list to
everyone.
After a few weeks we can have an (almost ??) complete overview of recordings.
AnneJan
Hok.Pop@net.HCC.nl
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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 99 15:38:13 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: Jump Festival 8 at the Brecht Forum
Neues Kabarett at the Brecht Forum and JumpArts present
Jump Festival 8
Nov. 18-20
Liberation Jazz, Dance and Poetry
12 acts over 3 nights
with the work of painters M.P. Landis and Eunju Kang
$10/night ($6 student/senior/unemployed/underemployed)
Thurs., 11/18
8 p.m. - Improv Dance Workshop
9 p.m. - Chris Jonas' Sun Spits Cherries
10 p.m. Makanda Ken McIntyre solo
11 p.m. - Andrew Bemkey & Kin-Ship
Fri., 11/19
8 p.m. - Charles Waters & the Nuzion Dance Workshop
9p.m. - poet Richard Kearns
10 p.m. - Ori Kaplan 4 w/Susie Ibarra
11 p.m. - Jordan McLean & Friends
Sat., 11/20
8 p.m. - Neil Podgurski's Natural
9 p.m. Ryan Sawyer & Matt Lavell duo
10 p.m. Rashied Ali solo
11 p.m. Assif Tsahar's Zoanthropic Orchestra
Also on Saturday from 4-5 Children's music workshop, led by JumpArts musicians,
free.
at The Brecht Forum
122 W. 27th St., 10th floor
NYC
212.242.4201
for more info, log onto JumpArts.org
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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 00:45:41 -0200
From: "Hugo Linares" <hlinares@utenet.com.ar>
Subject: Pig Pen Query
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Probably a simple question for most of you as quite important for me.
Can any on this List tell me the real/most accurate meaning of Pig Pen =
or the sense Wayne Horvitz intended to state at with that name?
I'm planning some reviews on Horvitz's records in an Argentinian =
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Thanks a lot in advance,
Hugo
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:33:26 -0800
From: "Benito Vergara" <sunny70@sirius.com>
Subject: RE: New Susie Ibarra Album
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Steve Smith
> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 9:05 PM
> Susie Ibarra's new album 'Radiance' is the second release on her own
> label, Hopscotch.
This seems like a pretty exciting time for Ibarra fans (despite her recent
departures from you-know-where). The latest issue of The Wire (Nov. 99) also
mentions an upcoming duet album with Derek Bailey and an appearance on a Yo
La Tengo album next year. Whee!
(BTW, she's featured in an article on "the rise of ecstatic jazz" in New
York (Parker, Gayle, Ware).
Later,
Ben
np: john coltrane, "living space"
http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara/
ICQ# 12832406
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:14:46 -0800
From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel)
Subject: Re: Pig Pen Query
At 12:45 AM 11/5/99, Hugo Linares wrote:
>Hi Zornheads!
>
>Probably a simple question for most of you as quite important for me.
>Can any on this List tell me the real/most accurate meaning of Pig Pen or
>the sense Wayne Horvitz intended to state at with that name?
>
>I'm planning some reviews on Horvitz's records in an Argentinian newspaper
>and that or any other information would be of great help. Anyone?
>
>Thanks a lot in advance,
>
>Hugo
Pigpen was the nickname of the Grateful Dead's original keyboardist.
________________________________________________________
Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/
"...there will come a day when you won't have to use
gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in
your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper
type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em
together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em
together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire."
-Sun Ra
________________________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:27:31 +0100 (MET)
From: stephen.fruitman@idehist.umu.se (Stephen Fruitman)
Subject: Re: Pig Pen Query
>Pigpen was the nickname of the Grateful Dead's original keyboardist.
Also a character in the comic strip _Peanuts_, how just never could stay
clean. Stephen
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Richard Pettersson
Department of History of Science and Ideas
Ume=E5 University
S-901 87 Ume=E5, Sweden
Phone: +46 90 786 99 38
Telfax: 046 90 14 33 74
E-mail: Richard.Pettersson@histstud.umu.se
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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:33:50 +0100 (MET)
From: stephen.fruitman@idehist.umu.se (Stephen Fruitman)
Subject: Re: Pig Pen Query
>Pigpen was the nickname of the Grateful Dead's original keyboardist.
Also a character in the comic strip _Peanuts_, how just never could stay
clean. ^^^
"who", he meant to write, of course. S
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Richard Pettersson
Department of History of Science and Ideas
Ume=E5 University
S-901 87 Ume=E5, Sweden
Phone: +46 90 786 99 38
Telfax: 046 90 14 33 74
E-mail: Richard.Pettersson@histstud.umu.se
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Richard Pettersson
Department of History of Science and Ideas
Ume=E5 University
S-901 87 Ume=E5, Sweden
Phone: +46 90 786 99 38
Telfax: 046 90 14 33 74
E-mail: Richard.Pettersson@histstud.umu.se
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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 08:15:58 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Pig Pen Query
On Fri, 5 Nov 1999 00:45:41 -0200 "Hugo Linares" wrote:
>
> Probably a simple question for most of you as quite important for me.
> Can any on this List tell me the real/most accurate meaning of Pig Pen =
> or the sense Wayne Horvitz intended to state at with that name?
>
> I'm planning some reviews on Horvitz's records in an Argentinian =
> newspaper and that or any other information would be of great help. =
> Anyone?
The name came from a musician in the Grateful Dead (or was it Jeff. Airplane?).
Patrice.
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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:09:00 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: Pig Pen Query
On Fri, Nov 05, 1999 at 08:15:58AM -0800, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
> The name came from a musician in the Grateful Dead (or was it Jeff. Airplane?).
For pictures of the Grateful Dead's Pigpen McKernan, check out
http://dead.net/merchandising/gallery/pig.html
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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 08:37:46 -0800
From: schwitterz <keithmar@jetlink.net>
Subject: Re: Pig Pen Query
I thought it was the Seattle-grunge connection:
http://www.snoopy.com/comics/peanuts/f_profiles/html/f4j.html
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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:12:42 -0800 (PST)
From: sonny shine <fudgepakker@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Pig Pen Query
so this is about a hippie?
hmm. never much cared for Greatful Dead. when i was a
hippie in high school, i said i liked them and yet had
never heard anything except Casey Jones and i didn't
even know that that was them. i was an ignorant
hippie, course once i became a wise hippie, i found i
didn't like being a hippie.
sonny.
- --- Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 05, 1999 at 08:15:58AM -0800, Patrice L.
> Roussel wrote:
> > The name came from a musician in the Grateful Dead
> (or was it Jeff. Airplane?).
>
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