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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #754
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Zorn List Digest Friday, September 10 1999 Volume 02 : Number 754
In this issue:
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Re: harvey pekar
Re: More on-topic: Pekar comic on Zorn.
Re: muslimgauze (off topic)
deleted Bible Launcher album
Re: Recent Pelf
Revised Haino U.S. Live Dates
Masada/Chicago Jazz Fest
Re: Masada/Chicago Jazz Fest
Arto Lindsay and Cesaria Evora
Bible Launcher
Re: Bible Launcher
Re: Bible Launcher
Re: Bible Launcher
arto
neues kabarett @ the brecht forum, 9/24-26
Re: Masada/Chicago Jazz Fest
Re: Cecil Taylor/Minneapolis concert
Re: Bible Launcher
interesting upcoming releases on Bridge
Re: interesting upcoming releases on Bridge
giuffre free fall: weird
Thinking Plague
we
Giuffre "Free Fall"
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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:17:33 -0500 (CDT)
From: Whit Schonbein <whit@twinearth.wustl.edu>
Subject: Re: harvey pekar
off topic, but if anyone cares, i have it on good authority that a movie
adaptation or version of american splendor is in the works; independent
all the way, with pekar scripting. probably won't have any zorn content,
i guess...
whit
whit@twinearth.wustl.edu
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Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 22:40:42 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: More on-topic: Pekar comic on Zorn.
Adding to the Zorn content of the thread, Harvey was also responsible for
Avant's release of early Joe Maneri material, 'Paniots Nine.' I can still
remember the day he called me up at the office with extreme excitement and
insisted on playing some of this stuff for me over the phone before he'd
managed to help it find a home. He also wrote the liner notes.
Harvey's a unique and remarkable man and I'm glad to know him. 'American
Splendor' is always great reading. And I think he's convinced Revenant to
release some more archival Maneri (alluded to at the end of the liner notes
to 'Paniots Nine') once they recoup expenses from their lavish Beefheart
box.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - Bach, Brandenburg Concerto No. 5, Orchestra of the Age of Enlightenment
(Virgin)
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Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 00:34:05 -0400
From: Taylor McLaren <paste@interlog.com>
Subject: Re: muslimgauze (off topic)
MEEP! Peter Hollo wrote:
>Eskhatos: Do you have complete animosity toward the state of Israel and
>its people or would you exempt certain Israelis that you might consider
>good people?
>Muslimgauze: No, I wouldn't. No, I wouldn't talk to any of them, the
>whole people are disgusting so no, I wouldn't. Just look at the record
>of what they've done, it's incredible. So I would not tolerate anything
>to do with Israel....
[snippage]
>Okay, I'll accept that it's not necessarily a statement of general
>anti-Jewishness... But it's pretty close, and pretty closed-minded
>wouldn't you say?
Well, yes and no. On a less-serious scale, it would be sort of like saying
that, by disliking Zorn, one disliked the entire "downtown scene", at least
in the sense that a significant part of what many people consider to be a
big part of the larger whole was being rejected. You'll notice, though,
that "Zorn" and "downtown" aren't equal halves of a one-for-one
substitution, and the same has to be said for "Israel" and "Jewishness".
Similarly, I think it's worth pointing out that Jones objected to the
existence of Israel as being an internationally-permitted violation of
living-memory territory rights; citizens of such a country, then, are both
participating in and (perhaps silently) condoning the forcible eviction of
one group of people from what they knew/know as their home in favour of
another group. Whether or not you buy that argument, I suppose, depends on
how far back you're willing to go into history before you feel that claims
on a particular tract of land become unreasonable... or maybe on whether or
not you feel that people should simply be made to shut up and play nice.
For what it's worth, though, I don't think that the whole Jones thing
*is* entirely off-topic for this list: politically, the focus of his music
wasn't all that different from something like "Kristallnacht", non? (I'm
also tempted to raise the issue of just how "radical" the notion of
"Radical Jewish Culture" among New York musicians is likely to be, but can
see that becoming a really ugly exercise in playground badass bravado --
"My favourite musician is edgier than yours!" -- before very long, so maybe
it would be best to wrangle with that one off-list. Still, something like
_Yo! I Killed Your God_ strikes me as being a combination of some really
flimsy showmanship, a heaping helping of too-easy controversy, and some
pretty damned impressive playing that doesn't get nearly enough attention
as a result of the first two elements.)
- -me
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Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 10:02:24 +0200
From: Julien Quint <Julien.Quint@xrce.xerox.com>
Subject: deleted Bible Launcher album
"Daniel L Brown" <DLB7@prodigy.net> said:
> Looking @ Patrick Rousell's Zorn discography, i saw a deleted album in
> the Tzadik section. TZA 7402 - "Bible Launcher" (this part number
> is now the one for Ken Butler's album). Does anybody know what the
> story is/was with this album? Obviously it was deleted, but why?
> It was a part of the Lunatic Fringe series - has anyone heard it?
> What on earth was it?
Yeah, thankfully the Bible Launcher CD was deleted. I thought I was so lucky
when I found it in a Tower in Shinjuku, but the only redeeming quality of this
CD is that it is so hard to find. I think the reason it was deleted has to do
with legal issues related to sampling, but IMHO this is really a favor Tzadik
has done us all. As for what it sounds like: bad early 90's metal with samples
of crazy preachers and porn flicks. Every track sounds the same, and the joke
gets really old after about 30 seconds.
Now, anyone wants to trade my copy with a CBS version of "Cynical Hysterie
Hour"?
Julien
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Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 06:43:07 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Subject: Re: Recent Pelf
At 09:56 AM 9/6/99 -0400, Brian Olewnick wrote:
>
>Morton Feldman Coptic Light Argo
>
>The Argo release, performed by the New World Symphony conducted by
>Michael Tilson Thomas, includes two other works, 'Piano and Orchestra'
>and 'Cello and Orchestra' which don't quite hit the spot for me, but
>'Coptic Light' is a wonderful piece, an 'orchestra as breathing organ'
>work somewhat similar to 'For Samuel Beckett' in that sense.
The Coptic Light release on CPO pairs it with Durations 1-5 instead of the
two orchestra/solo pieces. I heard the CPO release of all four orchestra
pieces (the others were violin and flute), and was surprised at how little
they did for me, considering I'm becoming a pretty big Feldman fan. Coptic
Light however is truly wonderful, and I'd recommend the CPO release as well.
Thanks, as always, for the excellent reviews.
- --
Caleb Deupree
cdeupree@erinet.com
It is pretty obvious that the debasement of the human mind caused by a
constant flow of fraudulent advertising is no trivial thing. There is more
than one way to conquer a country.
- -- Raymond Chandler
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Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 08:07:18 -0400
From: David Keffer <keffer@planetc.com>
Subject: Revised Haino U.S. Live Dates
Hey folks,
Haino plans ten shows in the U.S. from
Oct 30 to Nov 13. Specifics are posted at
http://www.planetc.com/users/keffer/haino/text/hklive.html
Cities include NYC, Albany, NY; Williamsburg, VA; Seattle, WA;
Los Angeles, CA; and San Francisco, CA.
No Chicago dates.
David K.
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Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:37:39 EDT
From: DRoyko@aol.com
Subject: Masada/Chicago Jazz Fest
My first opportunity to see Masada in person (I was out of town during the
other Chicago performance 4 or 5 years ago) was not a disappointment. Truly
extraordinary.
Though I know all of their discs well, I've never paid attention to the tune
titles. So, even though I can say that they didn't do anything "new" in terms
of unrecorded Masada tunes, I can not name the dozen or so pieces they
performed. Is there anyone on the list who was there and kept track of the
titles?
Dave Royko
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Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 08:55:39 -0700
From: Rusty Crump <rusty@steno.com>
Subject: Re: Masada/Chicago Jazz Fest
DRoyko@aol.com wrote:
>
> Though I know all of their discs well, I've never paid attention to the tune
> titles. So, even though I can say that they didn't do anything "new" in terms
> of unrecorded Masada tunes, I can not name the dozen or so pieces they
> performed. Is there anyone on the list who was there and kept track of the
> titles?
And in a similar vein, has anyone on the list seen/heard the quartet perform
"Hobah" live?
William Crump
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Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 09:27:04 -0700
From: Patrice Roussel <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Arto Lindsay and Cesaria Evora
Does anybody know if Arto Lindsay was involved with any records of
Cesaria Evora?
Thanks,
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Wed, 08 Sep 99 12:40:15 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: Bible Launcher
Here's the story on Bible Launcher, as I understand it from Bruce Gallanter: The
disc was recorded by 99Hooker and I believe two other folks (who I don't recall)
and uses a lot of samples. A whole lot, at length, without permission. Zorn was
apparently concerned about licensing and appropriation and after it was released
gave them back the masters and full rights so that they could release it
elsewhere if someone else wanted to take the risk.
I have it and I do like it OK, although it wears a little thin. It's fairly
noisy and some of the vocal segments are quite offensive (not that I really mind
noise and offensiveness, but just for the record...). It's interesting enough if
you see it cheap, but I wouldn't go for some overpriced "out of print copy" (as
at least one NYC store is wont to do).
On this disc, 99Hooker sounds a lot like Zorn to me. Like a whole lot (although
I think he plays tenor). Any other impressions of him out there? I don't know
other things he's done or even very much about him.
- -
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Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 09:45:57 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Bible Launcher
BTW, it has been reissued:
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*** - BIBLE LAUNCHER
1996 - Tzadik (USA), TZ 7402 (CD)
1997 - Radical House Records (USA), RH 0015 (CD)
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Patrice.
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Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:56:03 -0400
From: "Daniel L Brown" <DLB7@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Bible Launcher
Well, even though neither of you gave it a glowing review, I'm still
curious. Does anyone have an address for Radical House Records?
Dann Brown
http://pages.prodigy.net/dlb7/homepage.html
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Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 11:58:56 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Bible Launcher
On Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:56:03 -0400 "Daniel L Brown" wrote:
>
> Well, even though neither of you gave it a glowing review, I'm still
> curious. Does anyone have an address for Radical House Records?
http://www.radhs.com/label.html
Not sure if there is still life behind the curtain...
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Thu, 09 Sep 99 09:55:25 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: arto
I'll answer my own question in case anyone's wondering... I saw Arto's record
"Prize" on Righteous Babe (Ani D's label) listed for an Oct release. Don't know
anything more, like whose on it or what. Betcha dollars for doughnuts Dougie's
in the mix, tho.
- -
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Date: Thu, 09 Sep 99 10:58:14 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: neues kabarett @ the brecht forum, 9/24-26
The Brecht Forum
122 W. 27th St. 10th Fl
212.242.4201
$10/night
Fri 9/24
9 - Cecilia Smith (vibes)
10 - Kali Fasteau (reeds, flutes, percussion)
11 - Karen Borca (bassooon, w/Rob Brown, sax; Jackson Krall, drums; Chris
Lightcap, bass)
Sat 9/25
9 - Judy Dunaway (balloons)
10 - Gina Leishman (piano, sampler)
11 - Yuko Fujiyama (piano, w/Tomas Ulrich, cello)
Sun 9/26
8 - Andrea Parkins (piano, accordian, sampler)
9 - Christine Bard (drums, electronics)
10 - Efacho Okeke (piano)
Funding from Meet the Composer, Inc. is provided with support from ASCAP, the
Mary Flager Cary Charitable Trust, J.P. Morgan & Co, Inc., The Virgil Thomson
Foundation, the City of New York Department of Cultural Affairs and the Jerome
Foundation.
- -
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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:33:04 EDT
From: IOUaLive1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Masada/Chicago Jazz Fest
In a message dated 9/8/1999 11:56:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
rusty@steno.com writes:
> And in a similar vein, has anyone on the list seen/heard the quartet perform
> "Hobah" live?
Thats the only tune I know by name after hearing it.... yes they've played it
at least twice at the Knitting Factory. I witnessed it back in '96.
- -
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Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 16:42:57 CDT
From: "samuel yrui" <nonintention@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Cecil Taylor/Minneapolis concert
Hey Mike,
i have your answer. here's what the little pamphlet said:
Cecil Taylor Quartet
Sat., February 19- 8 pm.
Ted Mann Concert Hall
Groups 10+ $17.50 $12.75
they really accomodate groups well, but not so much for inividuals. but
i want to see this so bad that i don't care.
-samuel y.
Hi Samuel,
Did you get an answer to yr. Cecil Taylor question? I live in Kansas
City, and had planned to see his qt. in Chicago in February, but a
Minneapolis show would be much easier on the wallet. Been trolling the
Net for a few hrs. & haven't turned up a thing. If you could pass along
any info you find I'd be most greatful.
Yours, Mike S.
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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:55:57 EDT
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Re: Bible Launcher
In a message dated 9/8/99 3:02:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
proussel@ichips.intel.com writes:
<< On Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:56:03 -0400 "Daniel L Brown" wrote:
>
> Well, even though neither of you gave it a glowing review, I'm still
> curious. Does anyone have an address for Radical House Records?
http://www.radhs.com/label.html
Not sure if there is still life behind the curtain... >>
I ordered this one and two other CDs that sounded interesting from their
website a year ago at least (can't remember if it was with CC or if I sent a
check...), and got all three in about 8-10 days. Even then, their website
had not been updated in almost a year.
=dg=
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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:02:01 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: interesting upcoming releases on Bridge
Talking about Feldman, Bridge made the following anouncement on the
rec.music.classical.contemporary newsgroup:
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
BRIDGE: UPCOMING RELEASES
September: Morton Feldman: Crippled Symmetry (1983) California EAR Unit; Two
discs for the price of one. BRIDGE 9092A/B
October: Gunther Schuller: Sextet for Bassoon, Piano, and String Quartet
(1986) Fantasy-Suite (1994) for Guitar; Duologue (1981) for violin & piano.
Michael
Finn, bassoon, Miro Quartet, Charles Abramovic, piano; Gunther Schuller,
conductor; David Starobin, guitar; Gregory Fulkerson, violin. BRIDGE 9093
November: GEORGE CRUMB: 70th BIRTHDAY ALBUM
Star-Child (1977) for soprano, trombone, children's choir, male choir,
antiphonal bell-ringers, organ and large orchestra; Mundus Canis (1998) for
guitar and percussion; Three Early Songs (1947); George Crumb, piano,
percussion, and bell-ringer; Susan Narucki, soprano; Ann Crumb, soprano; Joseph
Alessi, trombone; David Starobin, guitar; Warsaw Boys' Choir, Warsaw
Philharmonic Orchestra; Thomas Conlin, conductor BRIDGE 9095
Please visit Bridge's newly designed website. Secure online ordering as well
as MP3 samples. www.BridgeRecords.com
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Patrice.
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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:23:18 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: interesting upcoming releases on Bridge
On Fri, Sep 10, 1999 at 09:02:01AM -0700, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
> September: Morton Feldman: Crippled Symmetry (1983) California EAR Unit; Two
> discs for the price of one. BRIDGE 9092A/B
>
> Please visit Bridge's newly designed website. Secure online ordering as well
> as MP3 samples. www.BridgeRecords.com
Woo! That hit my shopping basket so fast the electrons have whiplash.
- --
|> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <|
| jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt |
| Latest CD: Shekhinah: The Presence http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt |
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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:03:54 GMT
From: "Scott Handley" <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: giuffre free fall: weird
I just bought the Columbia reissue of Jimmy Giuffre's FREE FALL, and I am
blown away. Ya'll said it was excellent, but the encomia couldn't prepare
me for THIS....
At any rate, I am disappointed to hear a strange "pre-echo" on the solo
clarinet performances. In moments of silence, I can hear the disembodies
echo of what is ABOUT TO BE PLAYED. Is this a fluke with my CD, or an
uncorrectable problem w/ original tapes, or was it badly remastered?
Or does anyone else have this problem?
- -----s
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:08:05 -0400
From: Chad Mairn <cmairn@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Thinking Plague
Whoever recommended the group 'Thinking Plague'....my hat is off to
you! They are incredible! Definitely check out track 4 titled "Les
Etudes D'organism" on the "In Extremis" CD.
*** Thinking Plague "In Extremis" Cuneiform Records (1998)
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:18:03 +1000 (EST)
From: Aaron Chee-Kean Chua <a.chua@ugrad.unimelb.edu.au>
Subject: we
anyone got any opnions on the new "we" album: square root of negative one?
i was meant to be getting a gift for someone when i saw this on sale?
should i return this or should i just rip the shrink wrap now? their first
album got a lukewarm report from a friend.
regards,
aaron
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:18:50 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Giuffre "Free Fall"
Thanks to whoever recommended Jimmy Giuffre's "Free Fall". I just
got it and listened to it. Ahhhh.... More foreground and prickly than
I expected, and definitely worth a whole lot more serious listening...
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|> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <|
| jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt |
| Latest CD: Shekhinah: The Presence http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt |
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