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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #753
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Zorn List Digest Tuesday, September 7 1999 Volume 02 : Number 753
In this issue:
-
Re: muslimgauze (off topic)
Re: muslimgauze (off topic)
More on-topic: Pekar comic on Zorn.
Re: Juke Box...
Boring technical advice needed
RE: DKV/Yarbles
Re: muslimgauze (off topic)
Re: More on-topic: Pekar comic on Zorn.
Re: New years with Painkiller and Bungle????
More Free Music In Ventura CA
deleted Bible Launcher album
Re: Cobra San Francisco
re: Wergo Web site
New Dave Lombardo recording!
new bucket
renewed bucket
[none]
Re: buckethead
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Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 15:49:29 +1000
From: Peter Hollo <raven@fourplay.com.au>
Subject: Re: muslimgauze (off topic)
> On December 30, 1998 Bryn Jones (Muslimgauze) was rushed to hospital,
...
> onslaught and on January 14 @ 22:50 GMT Bryn Jones passed away.
I must admit that I found it hard to be very sad about this news when I
heard it. Having researched the guy a fair bit (all you have to do is
have a look at some of the interviews and quotes on the
http://pretentious.net/Muslimgauze/ site) there's no doubt to me that he
was virulently anti-semitic, and not just pro-Palestine. His reaction to
the beginnings of the peace process was to put out a CD called
"Betrayal" with a picture of the handshake on the cover...
I wondered at the time whether perhaps it had been a Zionist virus that
had had enough of the bastard.
I must also admit that I don't like his music, but that is of course a
different matter.
Peter.
- --
Peter Hollo raven@fourplay.com.au http://www.fourplay.com.au/me.html
FourPlay - Eclectic Electric String Quartet
http://www.fourplay.com.au
Raven: experimental electronic
http://www.fourplay.com.au/sound.html
"Of course, dance music can be a music where you lie on your back and
your brain cells dance" -Michael Karoli of Can, quoted in Wire mag.
- -
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Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 20:02:19 +1000
From: Peter Hollo <raven@fourplay.com.au>
Subject: Re: muslimgauze (off topic)
SUGAR in their vitamins? wrote:
> > was virulently anti-semitic, and not just pro-Palestine. His reaction > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> this is just a matter of semantics (no
> pun intended) but he couldn't have been
> anti-semitic as all Arabs (Palestinians
> included) are semitic as well. this is
> sort of a common misconception. in truth,
> most Arabs are not anti-Jewish, either.
> rather, they are anti-zionist.
Well it's not a mis-conception as such... I know that Arabs are
"semitic" as well, but generally in English-speaking culture,
"anti-seimitic" means anti-Jewish. But re-write it as anti-Jewish if you
like, it still stands.
> out of curiosity, if your only legacy was
> a handful of magazine interviews, would
> you feel people could really know the real
> Peter Hollo?
Well, not everything about me, but if I said something along the lines
of "I wouldn't ever even talk to a black person, they're hateful people"
then I think people could be pretty confident about certain aspects of
me. This is hypothetical - I don't hold such views (far from it!) and
would never express something like that, but Bryn Jones has.
You have to understand that I never wished him dead, and wasn't
_actually_ glad that he had died or anything. But I found it hard to
mourn his death or feel anything about it, considering how bigoted he
was. I mean it wasn't just a handful of magazine articles/interviews, it
was his whole body of work, in its political aspect...
Of course when I'm interviewed by magazines or whatever in my various
musical endeavours, I'm always scared they'll misquote me or bend what I
say. The one time I've had a philosophy article published (in a
university magazine) the quotes they chose implied something very
different to the conclusions I'd made.
But here's a quote:
Eskhatos: Do you have complete animosity toward the state of Israel and
its people or would you exempt certain Israelis that you might consider
good people?
Muslimgauze: No, I wouldn't. No, I wouldn't talk to any of them, the
whole people are disgusting so no, I wouldn't. Just look at the record
of what they've done, it's incredible. So I would not tolerate anything
to do with Israel. I mean, its my opinion, a Manchester musician's point
of view. I know other people will probably say I'm wrong and they won't
support me but it's just what influences my music.
Okay, I'll accept that it's not necessarily a statement of general
anti-Jewishness... But it's pretty close, and pretty closed-minded
wouldn't you say?
Enough. I won't say any more, as it's not really on topic.
Peter.
- --
Peter Hollo raven@fourplay.com.au http://www.fourplay.com.au/me.html
FourPlay - Eclectic Electric String Quartet
http://www.fourplay.com.au
Raven: experimental electronic
http://www.fourplay.com.au/sound.html
"Of course, dance music can be a music where you lie on your back and
your brain cells dance" -Michael Karoli of Can, quoted in Wire mag.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 20:14:27 +1000
From: Peter Hollo <raven@fourplay.com.au>
Subject: More on-topic: Pekar comic on Zorn.
Someone mentioned the Harvey Pekar comic from the latest American
Splendor that just came out, called Masada. (In the issue called
"Terminal" if you're interested).
Pekar's an interesting chap. Has written jazz criticism for many years
apparently, and writes the irregular alternative comic "American
Splendor", usually autobiographical, with art by various people,
including very often Robert Crumb, and Joe Sacco. The latter wrote the
fairly well-known comic "Palestine", which dealt pretty swiftly with the
Jewish side in less than one book, and then concentrated on Palestine in
the next three. I find it distressingly one-sided, but anyway, still an
important work.
Pekar's an opinionated guy. As an example of Pekar's temperament, he
hates and loathes Art Spiegelman, and and never misses an opportunity to
rate everything (including "Palestine") higher than "Maus".
(Interestingly, he's Jewish...)
Anyway, the comic in question has some interesting anecdotes about Zorn,
who Pekar has met and conversed with. Amusingly he credits the 10 Masada
CDs (doesn't mention the live ones) to Tzadik rather than DIW, but
that's a small error really.
Peter.
- --
Peter Hollo raven@fourplay.com.au http://www.fourplay.com.au/me.html
FourPlay - Eclectic Electric String Quartet
http://www.fourplay.com.au
Raven: experimental electronic
http://www.fourplay.com.au/sound.html
"Of course, dance music can be a music where you lie on your back and
your brain cells dance" -Michael Karoli of Can, quoted in Wire mag.
- -
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Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 19:11:48 PDT
From: "Brad Elsie" <b__elsie@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Juke Box...
Hi all,
Just for the record, his sister does NOT strip there, I repeat, does NOT
strip there. She's a waitress. Theo's a good, clean-living lad. Watching
your own sister strip would be a bit twisted for most of us, I should sense.
But, you gotta admit, Zorn tunes at a ripper bar is pretty damn cool!
...Brad
>From: "m. rizzi" <rizzi@netcom.com>
>To: Theodorus@webtv.net (Theodorus Klaase)
>CC: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: Re: Juke Box...
>Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 17:45:55 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Theodorus Klaase, demi-God and Icon sez:
> >
> >My sister works at a strip joint, and I made her a CD of Naked City and
> >Zorn songs, and she put the damn thing on the Juke Box!!! Last night I
> >had the pleasure of watching beautiful women dance to the likes of
> >Filmworks tunes, Naked City tunes, and songs from "the Bribe" album!
>
> Hmmm...hearing of the juxtaposition of the Zorns music
> and stripping is interesting and food for much intellectual
> discussion. :) But what I want to know is, wasn't it
> kind of weird to watch your sister strip at a club?
> Or is this just a Florida thing, and I wouldn't
> understand?
>
> heh.
>
> mike
>
>-
>
______________________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:27:18 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <S.Wilkie@swansea.ac.uk>
Subject: Boring technical advice needed
I've just entered some new worlds - minidisc and CDR - and wondered
if those in the know can offer advice: (a) my CDR machine only works
on discs that say something like "for music use only" and won't
reocrd on normal blank CDRs, even though it recognises them as CDRs.
Is it quite easy/quite difficult to format a normal blank CDR on a
computer so that this Phillips machine can then record on them? What
software does one need for this operation?
(b) anyone have an opinion about the relative quality of different
minidiscs (brands and price-range)? Virgin are selling their own
brand (in packs of ten) at one pound sterling each (about one
USdollar 55 cents).
thanks (e-mail privately if you feel it necessary)
Sean
PS Can Dennis Summers tell us the name of Harvey Pekar's new comic?
- -
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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:04:12 -0300
From: Linares Hugo <hulinare@bemberg.com.ar>
Subject: RE: DKV/Yarbles
> =A0
>=20
> =A0
> Gustavo (dealing with Yarbles -Burkhard Beins, Martin Pfleiderer, & =
Peter
> Niklas Wilson-)
[Linares Hugo] =20
Any opinions on Yarbles? Is it a free improvised recording?
Thanks,
Hugo
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 23:11:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: muslimgauze (off topic)
On Tue, 7 Sep 1999, Peter Hollo wrote:
> I must admit that I found it hard to be very sad about this news when
> I heard it. Having researched the guy a fair bit (all you have to do
> is have a look at some of the interviews and quotes on the
> http://pretentious.net/Muslimgauze/ site) there's no doubt to me that he
> was virulently anti-semitic, and not just pro-Palestine. His reaction to
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
this is just a matter of semantics (no
pun intended) but he couldn't have been
anti-semitic as all Arabs (Palestinians
included) are semitic as well. this is
sort of a common misconception. in truth,
most Arabs are not anti-Jewish, either.
rather, they are anti-zionist.
> I wondered at the time whether perhaps it had been a Zionist virus that
> had had enough of the bastard.
out of curiosity, if your only legacy was
a handful of magazine interviews, would
you feel people could really know the real
Peter Hollo?
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
- -
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Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 10:14:38 -0400
From: "Zachary J. Griffin" <zgriffin@iconn.net>
Subject: Re: More on-topic: Pekar comic on Zorn.
Peter Hollo wrote:
>
> Anyway, the comic in question has some interesting anecdotes about Zorn,
> who Pekar has met and conversed with. Amusingly he credits the 10 Masada
> CDs (doesn't mention the live ones) to Tzadik rather than DIW, but
> that's a small error really.
> Peter
I remember reading an essay on Zorn by Pekar around the time of John Zorn's
40th Birthday. The jist of the essay, from what I remember, said that Zorn
was turning 40 and that he has done more for furthering jazz than anyone
else of his generation. I wish I had the essay with me to reproduce for
this list.
- -
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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 07:23:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: sonny shine <fudgepakker@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: New years with Painkiller and Bungle????
THAT WOULD BE KILLER!!
too bad i can't get to cali.
sonny.
- --- King Wilson <kingwil@enteract.com> wrote:
> Anyone know what Zorn is doing for New Years? the
> Bungle Fever web site is
> listing an unconfirmed show
>
> December 31, 1999 - San Francisco, CA @ The Design
> Center
> (w/[unconfirmed]The Kids of Widney High, Nomeansno,
> Fant⌠mas, Painkiller, & Melvins )
>
>
> If this is true.....wow......
>
>
>
> -
>
>
__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
- -
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Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 06:51:17 -0700
From: s~Z <keithmar@jetlink.net>
Subject: More Free Music In Ventura CA
Contents:
*Japanese creative music trio at the Daily Grind in Ventura and in L.A.
*New Eugene Chadbourne Album on Leo Records includes Kaiser, Plonsey,
Johnston.
***********************
Philip Gelb, shakuhachi; Shoko Hikage, koto; Brett Larner, koto
Friday, September 10, 1999, 9pm
The Daily Grind, Corner of Chestnut and Main, Downtown Ventura
Admission is FREE. Donations Accepted.
This trio is at the forefront of creative Japanese music.
See the pfMENTUM website links for more info on these musicians.
805-641-1679 for more info.
They will also be performing in Los Angeles:
Sat., Sept. 11, 8 pm.
China Art Objects Gallery
933 Chung King Rd. (Chinatown), L.A.
Call 213-613-0384 for more info.
They are on tour promoting their new CD, "Indistancing" (Leo Lab CD055).
***********************
Speaking of Leo Records...Eugene Chadbourne's new CD on the Leo label is
titled "Beauty and the Bloodsucker" (CD LR 270) and features musicians
well known to the area's new music scene: Jeff Kaiser on trumpet and
euphonium; Lynn Johnston on bass clarinet; and Dan Plonsey on woodwinds.
Recommended (by Jeff, of course). For more info:
http://www.atlas.co.uk/leorecords/
***********************
Thanks,
Jeff and Keith
pfmentum@jetlink.net
http://www.jetlink.net/~pfmentum
- -
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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:14:48 -0400
From: "Daniel L Brown" <DLB7@prodigy.net>
Subject: deleted Bible Launcher album
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Looking @ Patrick Rousell's Zorn discography, i saw a deleted album in =
the Tzadik section. TZA 7402 - "Bible Launcher" (this part number is =
now the one for Ken Butler's album). Does anybody know what the story =
is/was with this album? Obviously it was deleted, but why? It was a =
part of the Lunatic Fringe series - has anyone heard it? What on earth =
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Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:19:56 -0700
From: Rusty Crump <rusty@steno.com>
Subject: Re: Cobra San Francisco
"Francisco Fonz-Garc=E9s" wrote:
>
> - COBRA San Francisco Slim's 31/III/98
> Anyone knows the line-up?
Never mind the lineup, what's the actual date?!
William Crump
Redding, CA
- -
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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:51:06 -0400
From: cjacobus@avesta.com
Subject: re: Wergo Web site
Off topic, sorry: Anybody know the URL for Wergo?
Thanks in advance.
Charles.
cjacobus@avesta.com
- -
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Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 15:57:19 -0400
From: Chad Mairn <cmairn@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: New Dave Lombardo recording!
This is for any Dave Lombardo fans. Mr.Lombardo is on a new classical
recording with Lorenzo Arruga titled 'Vivaldi: The Meeting.' I have not
yet heard it, but apparently it was inspired by an 18th century
improvisational contest between Vivaldi and Handel. A Cuban
percussionist aided Vivaldi then; now another Cuban/American
percussionist (Dave Lombardo) will give this historic event a 20th
century Lombardian interpretation that should be quite interesting if
not mind-blowing. Check it out! (Is Lombardian correct?)
- -
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Date: Tue, 07 Sep 99 17:01:19 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: new bucket
Just saw that Interscope is releasing a Buckethead title, Robots and Monsters,
on Sept. 21. Will this be the last time I anxiously await a new title? Hard to
say, hard to say...
Anyone heard anything about Arto's impending Righteous Babe release?
- -
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Date: Tue, 07 Sep 99 17:16:04 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: renewed bucket
Oops, I mean Higher Octave is releasing the B'head. Or at least, so says a
Knight Ridder news story (that says nothing more than this about him). Sorry
- -
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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:35:59 -0400
From: "Daniel L Brown" <DLB7@prodigy.net>
Subject: [none]
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I though the new Buckethead album was called "13th scroll" (or =
something liek that) There are soudn clips available (in both RealAudio =
and wav format) at www.bucketheadlenad.com
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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 22:03:23 EDT
From: Slntwtchr@aol.com
Subject: Re: buckethead
>I though the new Buckethead album was called "13th scroll" (or something
liek
>that) There are soudn clips available (in both RealAudio and wav format) at
>www.bucketheadlenad.com
13th scroll came out on ION a few months ago. monsters and robots is
completely different, and features laswell. les claypool and brain, among
others. mtv, of all places, premiered the first video from it last weekend.
peace,
dave
___________________________________________________________
bill laswell, eraldo bernocchi, mick harris and lori carson discographies at :
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/7093/index.html
___________________________________________________________
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