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Zorn List Digest        Monday, August 16 1999        Volume 02 : Number 738



In this issue:
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       Re: Cramps
       Guitar Player Online - Features Frisell...
       New Praxis?
       Otomo
       Re: Otomo
       Bobby Previte article
       Re: recent goodies (otomo edition)
       Hardcore Punk
       Re: New Praxis?
       Checkmate
       Re: Otomo
       Re: Otomo
       paul simon
       Re: paul simon
       RE: Winter & Winter, WAS: paul simon
       Re: Otomo
       WAITS DATES NYC!

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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 12:57:29 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Cramps

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/x.dll

Try this page for starters.

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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 16:30:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Theodorus Klaase)
Subject: Guitar Player Online - Features Frisell...

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This is a great article, on a great musician:  Bill Frisell.........


- -Theodorus
 "Where it grows on trees but never blooms"


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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 13:53:56 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Martin Wisckol)
Subject: New Praxis?

Anybody know if Praxis has a new CD out? If so, any comments on it?

Thanks.

Martin

np: Clusone 3 -- Rara Avis

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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 17:49:01 -0400
From: "Nirav Soni" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Otomo

It's hard to imagine this album as an introduction to
> GZ, but it is *much* better than the Cassiber remix album, definitely
worth
> getting for all GZ enthusiasts.

What *would* be a good intro to GZ then? Actually, what would be a good disc
to start with in the Otomo tree? I've been wanting to get *something* by
him, but I have no idea what.

Cheers,
Nirav
- --
OnNow- Dr. Octagon- The Octagonecologist
"Don't try to make me consistent. I am learning all the time."  - R.
Buckminster Fuller



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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 18:34:13 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Otomo

In a message dated 8/14/99 5:52:06 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< What *would* be a good intro to GZ then?>>

they're all pretty different, but I'd say start with the first, self-titled
one, Ground Zero (my copy's on Trigram, but I think it's in print on another
label now).

<<Actually, what would be a good disc
to start with in the Otomo tree? I've been wanting to get *something* by
him, but I have no idea what. >>

if you're interested in Otomo the master turntablist sampler, I'd suggest Les
Sculpteurs De Vinyl. my copy's currently lent out, so someone else will have
to supply the details here.

if you're interested in Otomo the tone-based electronic god, I'd go with the
recent ISO CD on Alcohol.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

NP: No Neck Blues Band-Birth Of Both Worlds (Sound@One)

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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 15:52:31 PDT
From: "robert ludington" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Bobby Previte article

    Just letting anyone interested know that there is a really good
interview with Previte in the October issue of Modern Drummer.  The article
is about 9 pages, but most of them are half pages(with half page ads).
Still, its pretty in depth. Their website is about 2 months behind, and i'm
not sure if the issue is out in stores yet since i have a subscription &
they mail issues out a bit ahead of time.  Max Weinberg is on the cover.

    For about the last year they have been incorperating alot of the more
'downtown' & free artists in with straight jazz & rock material.  Luckily
they have people with some knowledge of these people & their
styles/backround doing the articles.  If people want, I can keep the list
posted of any featured artists realated to the discussion here....


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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 04:50:30 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: recent goodies (otomo edition)

well, I was hoping other people would chime in on this thread, but no such
luck yet.

Caleb said:

<<But I have been wondering when live & improvising
electroacoustic musicians will have the same distinctive character as our
best acoustic musicians. (some acoustic examples given.) Would you have
recognized O'Rourke's playing if you hadn't known he was
there?>>

no, probably not, although I'd be more likely to now than a few months ago.
but O'Rourke is a bad case study for this. as I said earlier, he uses
different software for each musician he plays with, and thus his "style" is
constantly in flux. plus, his strength is as a catalytic agent for the
musicians he's playing with or producing a record of, and thus, his own sound
is often lost in or overwhelmed by his collaborators. Rob Young wrote in his
cover story on Scanner (Robin Rimbaud) in the current issue of the Wire:

"Like Jim O'Rourke, with whom he keeps close counsel, Rimbaud is often
selected as a secret agent, the viral infection that will kick a sound or
concept onto a different evolutionary path."

<<More generally, what musicians in the improvising computer field
have (or will have) the distinct musical identities similar to the
jazz-based musicians we know and love?>>

I'm not sure why a recognizable "sound" or style for a musician is
necessarily such a good thing. I think the quality level of the records
produced and the concerts given is the important thing, whether or not
outside observers can link them all together or not.

I also think that many fans of acoustic jazz/improv aren't used to listening
to improvised electronic music yet, especially in a live context. when
O'Rourke played the Nickelsdorf, Austria festival with Christian Fennesz last
month, there were catcalls during the set and Jim was actually pushed/punched
by a fan as he was leaving the stage. it's a different way of listening, more
passive, than many acoustic improv fans are used to, and despite their
allegedly open minds, they're not really interested in exploring this new
frontier. their loss, if you ask me.

all this being said, I think there are many electronic musicians with very
recognizable styles right now. and the more you submerge yourself in this
music, the more those styles will become apparent. if you played me a copy of
one of the Rawkus NYC underground rap compilations, I'd have a hard time
distinguishing individual styles and rappers, even after repeated listens,
but I know people who could name each rapper after a line or two.

I'm not as much of an expert as I'd like to be, but I can think of a bunch of
individual stylists that come to mind off the top of my head: Oval, Mouse On
Mars, Ryoji Ikeda, Pole, Pita, Pomassl, To Rococo Rot. then there are labels
with very distinct sound identities, like Basic Channel/Chain Reaction and
Raster/Noton. I think I'd have a pretty good shot at guessing any of these on
a blindfold test, whether I'd heard the specific piece before or not. and
hopefully as this genre moves into maturity, from where I believe it is now
in its infancy, there will be more and more superb unique stylists, for all
of our listening pleasure.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 13:21:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: William York <[e-mail]>
Subject: Hardcore Punk

They don't exactly fit in w/ the earlier bands mentioned like the SST
groups, but Melt Banana is pretty amazing.  There is more of a 'no-wave'
influence, but they are a LOT more technically able than any of the No New
York-type bands I can think of, and write ffairly complex stuff which is
often
brief and non-linear (sort of like Naked City on Torture Garden maybe) but
almost always really fast.  I've seen them 4 times (3X in the last month
or so) and think they're the best 'rock' band going, as far as live shows
go, that I've been able to see.  Their gtr. player is pretty incredible w/
his use of the slide as a noise-creating device.

I'm sure some people here know about them already, and again they aren't
neccessarily in the same vein as the groups mentioned, but I can highly
recommended listening to them, especially live.  "Charly" is  a studio CD
which has some stereo effects and so forth which aren't on the 'live in
the studio' Tzadik CD, but otherwise to me it's an even trade-off there.
They also have 2 (?) other CDs - I guess they've been around since '94 or
'95 or maybe earlier, but I've only known about them for a year.

WY



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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 14:22:21 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: New Praxis?

In a message dated 8/14/99 4:54:51 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< Anybody know if Praxis has a new CD out? If so, any comments on it? >>

there's a new DJ Disk CD, Phonopsychographdisk-Turbulence Chest: Live@Slim's.
I can't figure out what label it's on, it's either a Japanese label (A&L?) or
a fake Japanese label, which is more likely. I got mine at Other Music,
www.othermusic.com.

anyway, the backing band is Brain, Buckethead, EXTRAKD on bass, and Les
Claypool on half of it. if you're interested in this and you can't find it,
e-mail me. I bought it because DJ Disk was the leader, despite having no
tolerance for any of the above listed musicians, and I don't like it at all.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:59:57 -0700
From: Donald K McMullen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Checkmate

Following find a quote from Arthur C. Danto's  review ('The Bride & the
Bottle Rack') of _Duchamp In Context: Science and Technology in the
'Large Glass' and Related Works_ by  Linda Dalrymple Henderson in the
August 23/30 issue of The Nation magazine. (To provide context, at one
point in the review Danto is discussing the initial furor that
accompanied the discovery of X-rays and the immediate desire on the part
of male voyeurs to use this new technology to sneak a peak.)

The final paragraph of the review reads:

"This essay has been stimulated by a book rather than an exhibition. But
the *Large Glass* is on permanent view in the Arensberg Collection at the
Philadelphia Museum of Art, where it is surrounded by ready-mades. It is
worth a pilgrimage. While you stand in front of the *Glass,* trying to
remember which is the Sex cylinder and which the Reservoir of love
gasoline, you are certain to hear whoops and shrieks nearby. They come
from visitors unable to resist looking through the peepholes at *Etant
donnes,* a work Duchamp secretly devoted himself to for the last
twenty-five years of his life, pretending that he had given up art in
favor of chess. As an incentive to your visit, I won't disclose what
meets the eye, but, as a hint, it will not be all that different from
what those with lewd imaginations hoped that X-rays would expose. For all
the complexity of his philosophy, Duchamp also had a one-track mind."

(p. 31)




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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 19:12:48 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Otomo

At 06:34 PM 8/14/99 EDT, [e-mail] wrote:
>
><< What *would* be a good intro to GZ then?>>
>
>they're all pretty different, but I'd say start with the first, self-titled
>one, Ground Zero (my copy's on Trigram, but I think it's in print on another
>label now).

My copy's on God Mountain, a French label.  My recommendation would be Null
and Void on Tzadik.  For one, it's the easiest to find.  But also, Zorn and
Eye are both featured prominently on the the first one, which also features
a number of very short pieces performed by smaller ensembles.  These
characteristics makes it sound too similar for my taste to Torture
Garden-era Naked City (not my favorite album of theirs).  The later GZ
albums add more people, probably six on Null and Void and up to eight or
nine on the later albums.  When I think of GZ, I think of very chaotic
music, with a bewildering amount of activity.  This is not the case for the
first album.

><<Actually, what would be a good disc
>to start with in the Otomo tree? I've been wanting to get *something* by
>him, but I have no idea what. >>
>
>if you're interested in Otomo the master turntablist sampler, I'd suggest
Les
>Sculpteurs De Vinyl. my copy's currently lent out, so someone else will have
>to supply the details here.

I'll second this recommendation, this is an excellent album.  It's on the
French label Stupeur & Trompette, should be regularly available from
Wayside as well as the other usual sources.

>if you're interested in Otomo the tone-based electronic god, I'd go with the
>recent ISO CD on Alcohol.

Heck, if you're interested in sine waves, start with +/-, still the
genre-defining work.

- --
Caleb Deupree
[e-mail]

It is pretty obvious that the debasement of the human mind caused by a
constant flow of fraudulent advertising is no trivial thing.  There is more
than one way to conquer a country.

- -- Raymond Chandler

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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 19:33:36 -0400
From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Otomo

[e-mail] wrote:

> if you're interested in Otomo the master turntablist sampler, I'd suggest Les
> Sculpteurs De Vinyl. my copy's currently lent out, so someone else will have
> to supply the details here.

I picked this one up pretty recently and absolutely love it. It's called 'Memory
& Money' and is one the Stupeur & Trompette! label (available from Forced
Exposure). The lineup consists of four turntablists (Otomo, DJ Rebel, DJ Sky and
Erik M) and Sachiko M on sampler with guests Catherine Jauniaux (voice), Tom Cora
(cello) and Tsunoda Tsugoto (turntables). These guys sample from everywhere
(Beastie Boys, ballpark organ tunes and beyond) and dump it all together in a
flipping-through-the-radio-stations way that I think John Cage would have really
appreciated. I highly reccomend it.

Anyone heard the Noel Akchote disc Stupeur & Trompette! recently released?

> if you're interested in Otomo the tone-based electronic god, I'd go with the
> recent ISO CD on Alcohol.

Seconded, for the millionth time.

                        -Tom Pratt

listening to: Charles Tyler - Eastern Man Alone (ESP)


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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:26:03 +1000 (EST)
From: Aaron Chee-Kean Chua <[e-mail]>
Subject: paul simon

perhaps most of the people on the list is already aware of this...
i recently bought the paul simon anthology, and was a little surprised to
see a couple of names that occassionally pop up on the list. nana
vasconcelos and cyro baptista are on several tracks.

btw, there's a place in my neck of woods (melbourne) where i can get my
hands on winter&winter discs. i've already got hte caine/mahler disc.
has anyone got any recommendations for this label? quite a number of the
releases look tempting.


cheers,
aaron


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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:06:56 -0400
From: Mike Chamberlain <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: paul simon

Aaron Chee-Kean Chua wrote:
>
> btw, there's a place in my neck of woods (melbourne) where i can get my
> hands on winter&winter discs. i've already got hte caine/mahler disc.
> has anyone got any recommendations for this label? quite a number of the
> releases look tempting.
>

The Caine/Mahler disc is wonderful.  I had the opportunity to see Caine
perform the Mahler material at last year's Montreal Jazz Festival.  He
had Michael Formanek on bass, Jim Black on drums, Mark Feldman on
violin, Dave Binney on alto, Ralph Alessi on trumpet, and DJ Olive.
Feldman and Black stole the show.  When they were done, after 75
minutes, there was a moment of silence, and then the whole audience
stood up and applauded wildly, with absolutely no expectation of an
encore.  The performance was complete, and nothing more needed to be
said.  One of the best concerts I have ever seen.

As for other W & W releases, it's funny you should mention it, because
I'm right now listening to Ernst Reijseger with Tenore e Cuncerdu do
Orosei, a group of male tenor voices from Sardinia.  The album is called
Colla Voche, and it was recorded in Cathedrale di S. Pietro in Sardinia
last September.  Scottish percussionist Alan Purves is also on the
album, which is a mix of folk music, dance rhythms, and what sound like
liturgical chants.  All in all, it is utterly engrossing and
fascinating, like nothing else I've ever heard.  I recommend it highly.
Everyone I've played it for loves it.

- --Mike

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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 20:31:12 -0700
From: "Dave Egan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Winter & Winter, WAS: paul simon

I've also heard a couple of the Mahler/Caine concerts, and they've been
quite stunning.  As far as the Winter & Winter catalog, be tempted!  I don't
think you can go wrong.  I have eight or ten of them, and all are of superb
quality.  I bought the two new releases - Uri's Sidewalks Of New York and
Dave Douglas's Songs For Wandering Souls.  They came yesterday, and I'm so
pleased!  The new Douglas disc is especially hot.  Shepik's guitar makes it
a little harder-edged than the other Douglas outings I have.  I'd like to
catch up on the whole W&W catalog, but maybe I'm just a little compulsive.

- - Dave


> -----Original Message-----
> Aaron Chee-Kean Chua wrote:
> >
> > btw, there's a place in my neck of woods (melbourne) where i can get my
> > hands on winter&winter discs. i've already got hte caine/mahler disc.
> > has anyone got any recommendations for this label? quite a number of the
> > releases look tempting.



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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:23:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: "m. rizzi" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Otomo

Caleb T. Deupree, demi-God and Icon sez:
>
>My copy's on God Mountain, a French label.

    Close, :) actually, God Mountain is a Japanese label
    associated with Hoppy Komiyama.

    mike


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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:30:50 -0800
From: Jason Tors <[e-mail]>
Subject: WAITS DATES NYC!

Sorry y'all just got this a few mins ago.

I ordered over the ticketmaster web site, pretty easy transaction, 65$ [ouch]

Tom Waits has announced concerts in New York at the Beacon Theatre on
September 23, 24, 25 and 27.

This should be a great show, but ticket sales begin on Monday, August 16 at
9:00am ET (I think).

Please call Ticketmaster to find out exactly when tickets go on sale and how
much they are.

Best of luck and sorry this is announced so close to ticket sales time.


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