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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #734
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Zorn List Digest Thursday, August 12 1999 Volume 02 : Number 734
In this issue:
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Re: Dying Ground/ Spillane/Godard
Re: Dying Ground/ Spillane/Godard
Re: violin
Re: violin (was Tzadik) recommendations
the new bungle
Butcher/Durrant
Re: Speaking of Zorn
violin
Rob Reddy NYC shows - KF, Tonic
Free issue of the wire
Modern Creative
R: Re[2]: Adelhard Roidinger/Dred Scott
Evan parker
Re: Evan parker
Re: Violin, Violin-Cello
Re: Violin, Violin-Cello
Re: Evan parker
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:01:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jason Walton <nothing_grey@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Dying Ground/ Spillane/Godard
so what are the violin parts like, are they more
orinented towards the screeching of his first solo cd,
or the more tonal second cd?
can anyone tell me about Xenaxis or Dumitrescu?
also, what is the name of the cage piece where he has
nails on the strings of the piano, and whats the most
insane Legeti piece?
Jason "dying for knowledge" Walton
> Dying Ground is technically the name of the group,
> although I would say
> it's probably led by Kang and often filed under his
> name. It also
> includes Kato Hideki (bass) and Calvin Weston (drums
> + some kybds.). They
> have one CD, self-titled, on Avant, which is a live
> performance and about
> 40 min. long. There may be brief studio parts.
> Anyhow, it's pretty evil
> power-trio stuff, a lot of improvising but based on
> written parts. There
> are some monster riffs on there. It's totally
> different than the other
> Kang CDs, and although I didn't like it so much the
> first few listens,
> I've been listening to it a lot lately. Being on
> Avant, it is expensive
> though.
>
> WY
>
>
> -
>
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:04:27 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: Dying Ground/ Spillane/Godard
On Wed, Aug 11, 1999 at 02:01:20PM -0700, Jason Walton wrote:
> also, what is the name of the cage piece where he has
> nails on the strings of the piano, and whats the most
> insane Legeti piece?
Cage wrote a large number of pieces for the prepared piano. The one
to go for, and the largest of the lot, is "Sonatas and Interludes",
which has been recorded many times. The recording on Mode is quite good,
as is Louis Goldsteins. Others will probably suggest other recordings.
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:49:16 -0500 (CDT)
From: Charles Gillett <gill0042@tc.umn.edu>
Subject: Re: violin
On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:21:22 EDT, JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote:
> my favorite Durrant record is the Wobbly Rail one, where he eschews
> the violin entirely in favor of electronically manipulating John
> Butcher's sax. one of my favorite albums this year.
Quite a remarkable listen. Butcher's sound can be so electronic-ish
anyway (see the new Polwechsel album), Durrant's manipulations end
up sounding very unnaturally natural. What I can't figure out is how
this combination worked in concert--how did they block out the
acoustic sound of Butcher's saxophone? Was he standing in another
room? Behind a plexiglas shield?
Speaking of Butcher: can someone recommend/not recommend his duet with
Vanessa Mackness on Incus? I like the idea, but there's something about
the voice as an instrument that sometimes makes it drown out whatever it
is supposed to be accompanying. I think it probably tickles some
ancient part of my brain--"it's a human voice, listen to it."
Here's another positive vote for Ernst Reijseger's _Colla Voche_. If
you like that vocal group, they have two discs also on Winter&Winter
(available separately or together). Perhaps a bit less playful than
the Reijseger disc, but in any case they're very cleansing recordings.
The double disc is called _Voches de Sardinna_.
- -- Charles
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:55:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: violin (was Tzadik) recommendations
A really interesting Malcolm Goldstein CD is chants cache on the
Montreal-based Ambiances Magnetiques label.
It features Goldstein in a trio with drummer/painter John Heward (who
also recorded with Glenn Spearman) and Rainer Weins on prepared guitar.
It was a session I looked for after hearing Goldstein play with the CCMC
here in Toronro. Solo anything can sometimes be a little too much
Ken Waxman
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:08:25 -0400
From: "wetboy" <sulacco@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: the new bungle
so i went back and listened 2 it again after reading all the hubbub about it
on the list. i had some catching up 2 do, so this might b out of date. i
don't know what there is not 2 love. i think its great. it seems kinda like
a good blend of the previous 2. i'm still pissed that i was out of town when
they played here, but what can i say? quake was calling....
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:07:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: William York <wyork@email.unc.edu>
Subject: Butcher/Durrant
>my favorite Durrant record is the Wobbly Rail one, where he eschews the
>violin entirely in favor of electronically manipulating John Butcher's
>sax.
>one of my favorite albums this year.
Right, that's a pretty messed up album! At first I thought it was too
'cold' and mechanical, but I gave it another try and really came to like
it. It's my first time hearing Butcher, although it really is hard to
tell what he's doing. Actually, I haven't listened to a whole lot of live
processed improv (a recent thread here) so I'm not sure how the whole
process works, in terms of what the performers are hearing or reacting to.
Nice to see good things about a local (Chapel Hill, NC) label's release
too!
WY
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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:12:26 +1000
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: Speaking of Zorn
> Speaking of Derek Bailey, whats up with these Ruins
> Cds with bailey on it? I find that weird. I thought
> Ruins had 3 Cds out, but then I find out about
> "Burning Stone" and this one with bailey, does anyone
> have a Ruins discography?
Depends what you mean by cds "out". The Ruins discography at:
http://www.geocities.co.jp/Hollywood-Kouen/9347/reclist.html
lists about 30 cds, but basically I think about 10 of them are available at
reasonable prices, a couple more at unreasonable prices.
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:07:01 -0500 (EST)
From: Jason Caulfield Bivins <jbivins@indiana.edu>
Subject: violin
I might have missed something in this thread, but it appears that nobody
has yet mentioned Mat Maneri. Regardless, this guy is a world-class
improviser -- he does things that are beautifully, challengingly idiomatic
to his instrument, and is a fab intuitive player to boot.
And I hasten to second Brian's rec of the Braxton/Tristano album. Good
stuff with, I believe, Jon Raskin (of ROVA) on bari. Maybe it's just me,
but I can't listen to that one without seeing Brax's middle finger raised
in the direction of the Lincoln Center crowd.
Jason Bivins
NP: Joe McPhee. "As Serious as Your Life."
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:58:43 -0400
From: "lava" <lovevolv@dti.net>
Subject: Rob Reddy NYC shows - KF, Tonic
For immediate release: Contact: Charles Blass
11 August 1999 Lovolution Productions
Tel 212 642 8473
ROB REDDY'S SLEEPING DOGS
Wednesday, September 1st - 8:00 and 9:30 p.m.
Rob Reddy - Saxophones
Ravi Best - Trumpet
Charles Burnham - Violin & Mandolin
Dom Richards - Bass
Qasim Naqvi - Drums
ROB REDDY'S HONOR SYSTEM
Thursday, September 2nd - 8:00 and 9:30 p.m.
CD Release Celebration
E.J. Allen - Trumpet
Rob Reddy - Saxophones
Josh Roseman - Trombone
Jef Lee Johnson - Guitars
Dom Richards - Bass
Pheeroan akLaff - Drums
The Knitting Factory's Old Office
74 Leonard Street (between Church & Broadway), NYC
Information: 212 219 3006
This is vital music. Based in American folk forms such as blues, gospel,
folk & jazz, Rob Reddy composes an essentially New American Music. Melody
is the central thread, woven into generous space & freedom for group members
to express a full palette of emotions - joy and anguish, delicate somber
moods and rumbling ecstatic modes. The rewards of listening to Reddy's
soulful millennium-proof chamber works are catharsis, discovery and
cleansing, like stepping out into sunshine after a hurricane.
THE HONOR SYSTEM
Those familiar with Ronald Shannon Jackson's music will hear some reverence
in Rob Reddy's Honor System and other ensembles. Leader and saxophonist
Reddy and bassist Dom Richards are alumni of Jackson's Decoding Society;
guitar virtuoso Jef Lee Johnson remains in this seminal group while
collaborating with George Duke, Chaka Khan and many others along with
maintaining a formidable solo career. Reddy's sonic lineage extends through
Shannon Jackson to former Jackson employers like Ornette Coleman, Charles
Mingus and Albert Ayler, along with tonal shout-outs to Chicago giants Muhal
Richard Abrams and Henry Threadgill. Trumpeter Eddie Allen works with
Abrams as well as Lester Bowie and has made several recordings as a leader;
trombonist Josh Roseman performs with Don Byron, Lester Bowie, Groove
Collective and Dave Douglas, and also leads his own groups; and drummer
Pheeroan akLaff is a legend in his own right, leading and collaborating
widely with modern greats such as Henry Threadgill, Andrew Hill, Reggie
Workman and Oliver Lake.
The September 2nd concert marks the release of the second Honor System
recording, Songs That You Can Trust (Koch Jazz), the long-awaited followup
to their 1996 debut, Post-War Euphoria (Songlines).
SLEEPING DOGS
Propelled by the fierce young spirit of drummer Qasim Naqvi (22), Rob Reddy'
s Sleeping Dogs continue the above traditions within a more fuel-injected
free-blowing context. Melodic and rhythmic theme remains at the core while
the players venture on outward excursions through inner space. The
high-octane Naqvi is a new face from Reggie Workman's ensemble; trumpeter
Ravi Best is another strong young performer, from Reddy's Octet project as
well as Lester Bowie's group; Charles Burnham, on violin and mandolin, has
worked for many years with James 'Blood' Ulmer, performing with the Lincoln
Center Jazz Orchestra and Rob Reddy's exotic-flavored Quttah in addition to
recording and touring with Cassandra Wilson; and British bass stalwart Dom
Richards has been Reddy's right hand for a decade, appearing in all Rob
Reddy ensembles. The bottom line is that each member covers plenty of
musical territory.
September 1st will be the maiden voyage of this brand new Rob Reddy band.
* * *
Looking ahead, please note that the Rob Reddy Quintet, featuring bass legend
Reggie Workman, Jef Lee Johnson on guitars, Rufus Cappadocia on cello and
Pheeroan akLaff on drums, will be performing at Tonic, 107 Norfolk Street in
Manhattan, Thursday September 23rd at midnight. Call 212 358 7501 for info.
* * *
FOR FURTHER INFORMATION, INTERVIEWS, RECORDINGS & PHOTOS,
PLEASE CONTACT ROB REDDY:
718-625-7747
- -
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:06:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: djp6@po.CWRU.Edu (David J. Polak)
Subject: Free issue of the wire
Through some strange screw up by The Wires subscription department I ended
up with two August issues. The cover story is about Scanner, there is a
great article about Tony Oxley, and The Wire Tapper 4 CD is included. The
firts person to e-mail me their address gets it. If you don't hear back
from me you didn't make it.
- -
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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:14:59 EDT
From: Nvinokur@aol.com
Subject: Modern Creative
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/x.dll?UID=11:47:30|PM&p=amg&sql=CMODERN|CREATIVE
It is amazing how someone comes up with names to describe music. Louis
Armstrong said all music is folk music, because I never heard no cow make
music.
This is one of the best music search sites I have found. Its almost all
there.
- -
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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 07:13:26 +0200
From: "Francesco Martinelli" <fmartinelli@tin.it>
Subject: R: Re[2]: Adelhard Roidinger/Dred Scott
>For my bucks, it's a fine album and that's from someone who's never really
>enjoyed the Tristano school very much. It's a killer quintet, obviously
romping
>through the songbook with relish. On some of the up-tempo, twisting heads,
one
>can imagine Braxton and Rapson (on baritone) cackling with glee as they
^^^^^^^^
Raskin you mean - this sent me to recheck the whole issue through the
discography. Rapson plays trombone.
>negotiate them. One can also see a direct source of AB's mid-70's boppish
>themes. All in all, my favorite of Braxton's 'In the Tradition' releases.
>
- -
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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 04:02:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Santamaria <d028932c@dc.seflin.org>
Subject: Evan parker
Hi, some help here, much appreciated.
I'm interested in obtaining Evan Parker recordings, however, it is
practically impossible to accomplish this where I live. I must order
from the internet, I conclude. Which websites should I try, I checked
Forced Exposure, but I wasn't extremely pleased with the selection.
thank you, kindly.
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Your Grandma prays to pictures that are pasted on a board
-B. D.
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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 05:03:38 EDT
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: Evan parker
In a message dated 8/12/99 4:07:11 AM, d028932c@dc.seflin.org writes:
<< Which websites should I try, I checked
Forced Exposure, but I wasn't extremely pleased with the selection. >>
well, Forced Exposure lists 17 Parker-led titles currently, which isn't too
bad.
some other options:
www.othermusic.com lists 21 Evan Parker titles.
www.vergemusic.com/parker.htm brings you to the Evan Parker section of Verge,
which lists 20 titles. note that these prices are in Canadian dollars.
www.cadencebuilding.com doesn't seem to be responding to my search attempts
right now, but the last issue of Cadence lists 35 Parker-led titles, 32 on CD
and three vinyl.
that should cover you pretty thoroughly.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
- -
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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:10:48 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Subject: Re: Violin, Violin-Cello
At 02:00 PM 8/11/99 -0500, benjamin elliot axelrad wrote:
>
>Speaking of the cello, can anyone recommend albums featuring Martin Schutz
>(on electric cello)? I'm especially interested in the
>Wittwer-Schutz-Studer album on Intakt (#32) and the Koch-Schutz-Studer
>with the Cuban musicians.
I don't have either of these albums, but I do have Hardcore Chamber Music,
with Koch, Schutz and Studer (Intakt #42), which makes excellent use of
samples (in fact, some of the best samples in a jazz context I've ever
heard); and Chockshut, with Koch, Schutz, Studer, Wittwer, Demierre and
Marti (Intakt #31). Both releases are excellent.
Since you've brought up Stephan Wittwer, I really enjoy his contributions
to Chockshut and the Cowws Quintet album on FMP (another excellent release,
a quintet led by Rudiger Carl). I have an old vinyl album by Wittwer
that's almost new age and doesn't sound like the same player at all, but I
notice that he has a solo album on Intakt. I'm kind of nervous about
getting it because too much feedback guitar can be, well, too much, so if
anyone's heard this album I'd appreciate any comments.
- --
Caleb Deupree
cdeupree@erinet.com
It is pretty obvious that the debasement of the human mind caused by a
constant flow of fraudulent advertising is no trivial thing. There is more
than one way to conquer a country.
- -- Raymond Chandler
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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 07:40:15 -0500 (CDT)
From: benjamin elliot axelrad <beaxelra@midway.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: Violin, Violin-Cello
On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Caleb T. Deupree wrote:
> I don't have either of these albums, but I do have Hardcore Chamber Music,
> with Koch, Schutz and Studer (Intakt #42), which makes excellent use of
> samples (in fact, some of the best samples in a jazz context I've ever
> heard); and Chockshut, with Koch, Schutz, Studer, Wittwer, Demierre and
> Marti (Intakt #31). Both releases are excellent.
I'll second the Chockshut recommendation.
> Since you've brought up Stephan Wittwer, I really enjoy his contributions
> to Chockshut and the Cowws Quintet album on FMP (another excellent release,
> a quintet led by Rudiger Carl). I have an old vinyl album by Wittwer
> that's almost new age and doesn't sound like the same player at all, but I
> notice that he has a solo album on Intakt. I'm kind of nervous about
> getting it because too much feedback guitar can be, well, too much, so if
> anyone's heard this album I'd appreciate any comments.
Actually I just ordered his solo album, _World of Strings_, and should be
getting it sometime this weekend, so I'll send by a report next week.
Is Wittwer well-known or at least well-respected? I was surprised to
come across his name in John Corbett's liner notes to M. Gustaffson's
_Parrot Fish Eye_. By the way, the new Rudiger Carl box set is great,
esaily one of the best things I bought this year. The tracks by the
COWWS quintett and the Virtual COWWS disc are amazing.
Ben
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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:40:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Evan parker
Verge in Uxbridge, Ontario provides excellent, if a litlle scatty,
mail order service
and has a whole clutch of British, French, Italian etc. etc. releases
available. And, of course, if you're ordering from the U.S. you get a
"discount" because of the strength of the U.S. viz the Canadian $.
Web site:
www.vergemusic.com
e-mail:
verge@durham.igs.net
Ken Waxman
On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, John Santamaria wrote:
> Hi, some help here, much appreciated.
>
> I'm interested in obtaining Evan Parker recordings, however, it is
> practically impossible to accomplish this where I live. I must order
> from the internet, I conclude. Which websites should I try, I checked
> Forced Exposure, but I wasn't extremely pleased with the selection.
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