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Zorn List Digest         Friday, July 30 1999         Volume 02 : Number 726



In this issue:
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       Re: $4.95 CDs: The End
       RE: $4.95 CDs: The End
       Re: Pat Martino suggestions? (non Zorny)
       Re: Yamantaka Eye
       Re: $4.95 CDs: The End
       John Cage/Art Ensemble of Chicago
       Re: Fushitsusha US tour/Mazzacane at Tonic
       Re: Fushitsusha US tour/Mazzacane at Tonic
       Wanted
       Re: new music recs
       Re: new music recs
       Re: A Little More Dolphy
       Re: Chadbourne / Ra
       My Shop Now info
       laptops, etc: electroacoustic practicum
       Re: laptops, etc: electroacoustic practicum
       Re: laptops, etc: electroacoustic practicum
       Re: A Little More Dolphy
       Re: Chadbourne / Ra
       Shoe Sting Symphonettes....
       new release of feldman on avant
       Re: new release of feldman on avant

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:16:42 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: $4.95 CDs: The End

In a message dated 7/29/99 12:09:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<<
 I do take a little comfort in knowing that their attempt at 'promotion'
seems
 to have become a public relations nightmare.
  >>

Similar situation here, I received 1 out of 20 discs I ordered, and the same
email yesterday. I sent them quite a flaming email back too - one, suggesting
that I thought a printed receipt was a binding contract and that they're
nicely set up for a class action lawsuit now, and 2, if I could get any of
the titles I ordered from them through Cadence, why couldn't they? Yeah I
know, wishful thinking, but I am mightily pissed!

Dale.

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:44:18 -0400
From: Charles Jacobus <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: $4.95 CDs: The End

Ditto. And the night before last, I actually received a call from them. They
wanted to know how I thought about their service! It was all slightly
embarrassing to say the least. Oh well.

By the way, they batted one (Zappa's Lumpy Gravy) for five with my order.

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 1999 12:17 PM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: $4.95 CDs: The End


In a message dated 7/29/99 12:09:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [e-mail]

writes:

<<
 I do take a little comfort in knowing that their attempt at 'promotion'
seems
 to have become a public relations nightmare.
  >>

Similar situation here, I received 1 out of 20 discs I ordered, and the same

email yesterday. I sent them quite a flaming email back too - one,
suggesting
that I thought a printed receipt was a binding contract and that they're
nicely set up for a class action lawsuit now, and 2, if I could get any of
the titles I ordered from them through Cadence, why couldn't they? Yeah I
know, wishful thinking, but I am mightily pissed!

Dale.

- -

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:44:13 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Pat Martino suggestions? (non Zorny)

In a message dated 7/28/99 7:48:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [e-mail]
writes:

> titled _First Light_ , a 2 on 1 released recently on 32Jazz that includes
> the
>  LPs _Joyous Lake_ and _Starbright_ .  This is my first exposure (that I
know
>
>  of) to this guitarist as a leader, and as i'm a sucker for this
>  early-to-mid-70s jazz/rock fusion, this CD is a real treat so far.

Those mid-seventies records were Pat's foray into "fusion", but he's really a
hard bop guitarist, and one of the greatest at that.   My favorites:
"Consciousness", "Live" and "Exit".
- -Jody

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:45:57 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Chris Westphal)
Subject: Re: Yamantaka Eye

eYe

At 01:14 AM 7/29/99 -0400, Theodorus Klaase wrote:
>Okay, I know how to pronounce "Yamatsuka,"-- I've heard Zorn himself say
>it--but now that he's changed his name....How does one pronounce
>"Yamantaka?"
>
>
>-Theodorus
> "Good bye sober day, Hello Milky Way"
>
>
>-
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 16:50:31 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: $4.95 CDs: The End

In a message dated 7/29/99 12:52:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Ditto. And the night before last, I actually received a call from them.  >>

I did too. And the more I thought about that so-called "customer survey" they
called about, the more I starting thinking it was really a ruse to find out
how many discs to actually bill me for. As of now, nothing has shown up on my
credit card statement.

Dale.


Dale.

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 22:46:25 -0400
From: Perfect Sound Forever <[e-mail]>
Subject: John Cage/Art Ensemble of Chicago

Greetings,

Does anyone know about any details about a piece that John Cage did along
with members of the Art Ensemble of Chicago?  I had read about this
somewhere and Joseph Jarman remembers this happening though he can't
remember the piece.

Any help with this is greatly appreciated.

Best,
Jason

Perfect Sound Forever
online music magazine
[e-mail]
http://www.furious.com/perfect

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 00:25:41 -0400
From: Mike Chamberlain <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Fushitsusha US tour/Mazzacane at Tonic

[e-mail] wrote:
>

> secondly, Tonic is holding a Loren MazzaCane Connors festival in celebration
> of his fiftieth birthday and the hopefully-then-released four CD box
> containing all nine of his early acoustic records, being put out by Thurston
> Moore and Byron Coley. this festival, from the info I've gathered, is shaping
> up to be quite something. nothing is finalized yet, but it looks as if Loren
> will play with a different guest each night, in a solo/duet/solo format, with
> the guests doing their own set in addition to playing with Loren. some of the
> guests include Sonic Youth, Keiji Haino, Rafael Toral, and the No Neck Blues
> Band, at least as of now. I believe there are sixteen nights scheduled,
> Thurs.-Sun. for four weeks. I know I'm excited.

When exactly is this taking place?

- --Mike

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 00:30:40 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Fushitsusha US tour/Mazzacane at Tonic

In a message dated 7/30/99 12:23:30 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<< > secondly, Tonic is holding a Loren MazzaCane Connors festival in
celebration
> of his fiftieth birthday and the hopefully-then-released four CD box
> containing all nine of his early acoustic records, being put out by Thurston
> Moore and Byron Coley. this festival, from the info I've gathered, is
shaping
> up to be quite something. nothing is finalized yet, but it looks as if Loren
> will play with a different guest each night, in a solo/duet/solo format,
with
> the guests doing their own set in addition to playing with Loren. some of
the
> guests include Sonic Youth, Keiji Haino, Rafael Toral, and the No Neck Blues
> Band, at least as of now. I believe there are sixteen nights scheduled,
> Thurs.-Sun. for four weeks. I know I'm excited.

When exactly is this taking place? >>

whoops, forgot a key piece of info. the entire month of October.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 00:39:36 -0600
From: sasanborn <[e-mail]>
Subject: Wanted

I was wondering if anyone has "Refusal Fossil" from the Ruins or the new
Fantomas cd that they could tape for me? I have a list of  trade stuff I
have if anyone is interested. Thanx. Steve in Boise.



- -

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 07:18:34 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: new music recs

In a message dated 7/28/99 8:12:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< In print, look for ND magazine, which covers this scene better than anyone
 else I've found.  Tons of reviews and ads for suppliers.  I'm told Halana
 magazine is also good, but have not yet snagged one of these yet. >>

Halana is great, especially for such a young magazine- free CD with each
issue too.  They supposedly have a website by the same name, though I have
not checked it out.  What is ND magazine?  Domestic, er, Stateside
publication?

=dg=

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 07:56:14 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: new music recs

At 07:18 AM 7/30/99 EDT, [e-mail] wrote:
>
>What is ND magazine?  Domestic, er, Stateside
>publication?

They're based in Austin Texas, apparently affiliated with the record store
33 degrees in that city.  Read about it at http://www.nd.org.  They publish
CDs, but not with the magazine (although it sez here that the first 1000
copies of the next issue will contain a cd).

- --
Caleb Deupree
[e-mail]

It is pretty obvious that the debasement of the human mind caused by a
constant flow of fraudulent advertising is no trivial thing.  There is more
than one way to conquer a country.

- -- Raymond Chandler

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:01:53 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: A Little More Dolphy

Pace Ken Waxman, Dolphy doesn't play on Roach's We Insist, Freedom
Now Suite.  Could Ken have been confusing Eric with the great Coleman
Hawkins?  I think not.

Sean Wilkie


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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:04:26 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Chadbourne / Ra

Could Martin Wisckol give label details of the Sun Ra tribute album,
"Wavelength Infinity"?

Sean Wilkie

PS I think Pino Minafra's Sudori is woolly (or is that wooly?) - that
is, it's snug and comfortable and it gives me a warm feeling.

- -

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 08:24:33 -0500
From: "Robert A. Pleshar" <[e-mail]>
Subject: My Shop Now info

I found this in a record colelcting newsgroup and thought I'd pass it on
for anyone who tried to buy discs from this company:

- -Ralph



This is a one-time cross-posting to newsgroups whose members may have had
dealings with the online retailer MyShopNow.com.

If you did not receive any or all of the music CDs that you ordered from the
MyShopNow.com website, you may wish to file a complaint with the Federal
Trade Commission concerning this company.

For further information, go to
http://members.tripod.com/snrequest/index.html



Robert Pleshar
Head, Serial Orders
University of Chicago Library
1100 E. 57th Street
Chicago, IL 60637

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:08:58 GMT
From: "Scott Handley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: laptops, etc: electroacoustic practicum

I'm hearing more and more about electonic composer of all stripes using
laptops for live electronics, etc.  Why do Macs seem to be the computer of
choice?  What programs do composers on this list use, and what do these
programs "do"?  And what specs are required to effectively run sound
programs?  Can the many lucky listeners here describe what kinds of sounds
people like Durrant, O'Rourke, etc., make with their computers, live, laptop
or otherwise?  Thanks, everyone.

Sorry for cross-posting.

- ----s


_______________________________________________________________
Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:19:12 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: laptops, etc: electroacoustic practicum

On Fri, Jul 30, 1999 at 02:08:58PM +0000, Scott Handley wrote:
> I'm hearing more and more about electonic composer of all stripes using
> laptops for live electronics, etc.  Why do Macs seem to be the computer of
> choice?  What programs do composers on this list use, and what do these
> programs "do"?  And what specs are required to effectively run sound
> programs?  Can the many lucky listeners here describe what kinds of sounds
> people like Durrant, O'Rourke, etc., make with their computers, live, laptop
> or otherwise?  Thanks, everyone.

While not a Mac person myself, I do have one cool anecdote about them:
while driving from Dallas to Austin for a gig last year, I was talking
to a friend who was riding with me about what he might do on the gig.
He got the idea of sampling bits of the Comma CD and other spoken
things, creating loops, and dropping them into improvisations. So he
whipped out his Powerbook, hooked up the cigarette-lighter-based
power supply, used the CD-to-cassette patchcord from my CD Walkman to
run the computer sound through the car sound system, and voila!
instant sound studio. He did all the sampling and processing on the
way, and had a full stack of them to play with with plenty of time
to spare. Most impressive.

- --
| [e-mail]           http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt |
| Latest CD: Shekhinah: The Presence     http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt |
| Comma: Voices of New Music    Silence: the John Cage Discussion List |

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:30:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Maurice Rickard <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: laptops, etc: electroacoustic practicum

Offhand, (and--full disclosure here--as a Mac user) I can't say why
people seem to be using Macs for audio more, unless it's historical: many
audio programs were on the Mac first.  I'd expect that pretty much any
platform can give you the ability to get things done, although you're
better off in general on a platform you know and are comfortable with.
(Notice the attempt to sidestep the platform flame-wars...)

For playing samples on the laptop, I use BackToBasics, an extremely
impressive and affordable piece of shareware developed by the band
Operation Reinformation (O.R.I.). You can download an evaluation copy
from http://www.reinformation.com/  Mac and Windows, minimal
requirements.  BackToBasics lets you map samples (on the Mac side,
saved as System 7-compatible sound resources; can't say what format for
the Windows side) to the keys on your laptop's keyboard, so you can play
it just like a keyboard sampler.  There are a variety of manipulations
you can do as well--stereo placement, level/overdrive, key behavior,
pitch, and I think a few others I'm forgetting.  It's a great program,
and it should be less than $30.

For creating or more extensive manipulation of sounds before they go into
BTB, I'm using the shareware program SoundSculptor II. An evaluation copy
is downloadable from http://members.aol.com/sculptorii/  Loads of
effects and editing options, although I think it supports only up to 16
bit.  But the price is right: $30 shareware, IIRC.

I've also been playing a bit with M, which isn't so much a sampler as a
"process" generator for MIDI.  It's a bit hard to describe, but there's
some extensive description (and that ever-present eval copy) at
http://www.cycling74.com/

HTH,

Maurice Rickard                       | "Multimedia will never go anywhere
Designer                              |  until the amateurs take over."
http://www.envirolink.org/maurice     |                     --David Thomas

On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, Scott Handley wrote:

> I'm hearing more and more about electonic composer of all stripes using
> laptops for live electronics, etc.  Why do Macs seem to be the computer of
> choice?  What programs do composers on this list use, and what do these

(more good questions edited for space)

- -

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:42:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: A Little More Dolphy

ooops, you're right Sean. It's just that Percussion.. and We Insist..
have almost the same personnel ecept for the saxophonists. And I just
looked at my LP copy of We Insist... and note that even Hawk only plays
on one track.

KW

On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, DR S WILKIE wrote:

> Pace Ken Waxman, Dolphy doesn't play on Roach's We Insist, Freedom
> Now Suite.  Could Ken have been confusing Eric with the great Coleman
> Hawkins?  I think not.
>
> Sean Wilkie
>
>
> -
>
>

- -

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 08:13:34 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Chadbourne / Ra

On Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:04:26 GMT0BST  DR S WILKIE wrote:
>
> Could Martin Wisckol give label details of the Sun Ra tribute album,
> "Wavelength Infinity"?

- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

*** - WAVELENGTH INFINITY - A SUN RA TRIBUTE: various artists

  This record features Uya, Charlie Kohlhase Quintet, Kash Million, Malcolm
  Mooney, Water Shed, Trudy Morse & Friends, David Greenberger, Steve Adams
  & Ben Goldberg, The Residents, The Splatter Trio, NRBQ, Art Hoyle, Elliott
  Sharp, Hartmut Geerken, Miss Murgatroid, Tom Djll, Graham Connah Group, The
  Billy Tipton Memorial Sax Quartet, Travis Shook and The Club Wow, Vacuum
  Tree Head, Dan Plonsey, The Coctails with Ken Vandermark, Eugene Chadbourne/
  Jimmy Carl Black, Phantom Radio, Eddie Gale & John Tchicai, Lewis Jordan,
  BKCP String Quartet, Bugs Meanie Band, Thurston Moore with Ezra La Plante,
  John Raskin, Thornhill/Chabot/Montclair Tri-School Artestra.

    1995 - Rastascan Records (USA), BRD018 (2xCD)

- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:10:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Theodorus Klaase)
Subject: Shoe Sting Symphonettes....

This album is fascinating.  I suggest to all those who have pondered
it's purchase that it's certainly a safe bet.


- -Theodorus
 "Good bye sober day, Hello Milky Way"


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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 23:09:31 +0200
From: "Stefan Verstraeten" <[e-mail]>
Subject: new release of feldman on avant

Hi

There seems to be a new release by mark feldman and a piano player on the
avant label.

Anybody knows what this release is, and what does it sound like?

Best wishes


Stefan Verstraeten

[e-mail]



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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:31:27 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: new release of feldman on avant

On Fri, 30 Jul 1999 23:09:31 +0200  "Stefan Verstraeten" wrote:
>
> There seems to be a new release by mark feldman and a piano player on the
> avant label.
>
> Anybody knows what this release is, and what does it sound like?

- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

116 - MUSIC FOR VIOLIN AND PIANO: Mark Feldman, Sylvie Courvoisier

    Recorded at Clinton Studios, New York City on December 23, 1998
    (1,8) recorded at Zurich DRS on June 15, 1996
    Produced by Sylvie Courvoisier and Mark Feldman

  Sylvie Courvoisier: piano; Mark Feldman: violin.

    1999 - Avant (Japan), Avan 065 (CD)

- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

It is a great record of wonderfully interpreted chamber music. The music, I
guess totally composed, wanders from post-romantic to more contemporary/avant,
and this in an almost seamless way. The range of music genres covered makes it
feel like a kind of recital covering 150 years of music, although all composi-
tions are by Sylvie and Mark.

    Patrice.

- -

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