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Zorn List Digest         Monday, July 26 1999         Volume 02 : Number 721



In this issue:
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       New Zorn tidbits, etc.
       Monk's Shuffle Boil by Zorn
       archery
       Re: archery
       Re: archery
       Re: New Zorn tidbits, etc.
       neues kabarett
       who are these bands???? Help wanted......
       Re: who are these bands???? Help wanted......
       Ground Zero-Last Concert
       Re: [thewire] who are these bands???? Help wanted......
       Re: omoide hatoba
       Jon Hassel and TV
       Re: Jerry Hunt
       zorn tour dates
       New York/overseas purchases and experiences, and Ehrlich Dark Woods...
       |questions|
       RE: Rashaan Roland Kirk

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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 19:10:00 -0500 (CDT)
From: Charles Gillett <[e-mail]>
Subject: New Zorn tidbits, etc.

   The liner notes for the new Zorn releases give some interesting
details.  In the Godard/Spillane notes, he mentions how "Etant Donnes"
(On the Duras:Duchamp disc) was realized using the Synclavier (I
think this had been discussed but not confirmed when the CD came out).
I wonder why this was necessary.  I guess the process of using the
Synclavier (or the studio process used for Spillane, Godard, etc.)
determines the output, even though to me it sounds like the end
product could easily be played by a live ensemble.  "Easily."

   The notes for The String Quartets get rather personal, especially
regarding "Memento Mori."  I don't know much if anything specific
about Zorn's personal life (probably fine with him), so it was
somewhat surprising to see him writing about "lost love."

   I also bought the reissue of Kagel's 1898 & Music For Renaissance
Instruments.  I haven't been able to listen to this yet, but the
pictures of the instruments used for 1898 are fascinating.  I don't
know how this music compares to other earlier Kagel, as the only
other work I've heard from the era is Der Schall.


- -- Charles



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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 19:05:36 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Martin Wisckol)
Subject: Monk's Shuffle Boil by Zorn

This was what introduced me to Zorn, drove me wild with enthusiasm and
sent onto The Big Showdown and the rest is history. My vinyl of this is
in pretty good shape and as always, interested in tape trades -- have
plenty of other interesting stuff both Zorn (such as Yankees with
Bailey and George Lewis) and others, Ayler to Zappa, Jelly Roll Morton
to Brad Meldhau, India to China to Brazil to Africa....

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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 03:15:00 -0400
From: "lava" <[e-mail]>
Subject: archery

what would a mint copy fetch these days?...
lava


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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 08:16:22 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: archery

At 03:15 AM 7/25/99 -0400, lava wrote:
>what would a mint copy fetch these days?...

A copy of There'll be no tears tonight, a single album of comparable
vintage, went for $38 on ebay this month.  Tears hasn't been reissued on cd
yet though.

- --
Caleb Deupree
[e-mail]

It is pretty obvious that the debasement of the human mind caused by a
constant flow of fraudulent advertising is no trivial thing.  There is more
than one way to conquer a country.

- -- Raymond Chandler

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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 08:00:17 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Jonathan Mooneyham)
Subject: Re: archery

>At 03:15 AM 7/25/99 -0400, lava wrote:
>>what would a mint copy fetch these days?...
>
>A copy of There'll be no tears tonight, a single album of comparable
>vintage, went for $38 on ebay this month.  Tears hasn't been reissued on cd
>yet though.
>
>--
>Caleb Deupree
>[e-mail]

Oh, yes it has... Fundamental reissued it on cd in the early 90's - catalog
# SAVE 6 CD...

Jon M.



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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 12:16:05 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: New Zorn tidbits, etc.

In a message dated 7/24/99 8:11:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

>    The notes for The String Quartets get rather personal, especially
>  regarding "Memento Mori."  I don't know much if anything specific
>  about Zorn's personal life (probably fine with him), so it was
>  somewhat surprising to see him writing about "lost love."

Memento mori is an art motif dating way back.  The pictures contain images
referring to death, such as skulls, bones, graves, etc...  The term is Latin
for "remember death".  Anyways, right up Zorn's alley :-)
- -Jody

or-- maybe it means: "remember Ikue Mori"

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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 99 13:05:21 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: neues kabarett

Sorry to repeat the posting, but ... well, OK, I'm not sorry, because I want all
of you to come to the next Neues Kabarett at the Brecht Forum, Fri 7/30 starting
at 9 p.m. For those of you familiar with our struggles, our new piano will be
delivered tomorrow. But we still can't afford it, and I'm humbled by the efforts
of the artists who helped us learn about pianos and are helping us by playing
the benefits.

The addition to the bill I want to let you know about, however, is JOE MANERI
will be playing one song on piano with his son Abraham reading his poetry.
Abraham will also read with Ryan Sawyer and John Blum performing.

Here's the line-up

9 - Loren Mazzacane Connors solo guitar
10 - Abraham Maneri w/guests
11 - Stephanie Stone, solo piano
12 - Roy Campbell, solo trumpet

And what fave-of-mine Billie Holliday song might Roy and Stephanie duet on?
You'll have to be there to find out.

Also, raffle with No More Records and AUM Fidelity cds, a Schoenhut toy piano,
and more.

122 W. 27th St. 10th Fl. NYC $10-15. Call [phone] or email me for more
info.



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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 21:36:43 +0200
From: "Stefan Verstraeten" <[e-mail]>
Subject: who are these bands???? Help wanted......

Hi,

I just picked up two very good jazz-noise cds, but i don't know anything of
these bands, so help is appreciated:

- -Noggin -untiteled cd on trackshun industries-
as far as i can read from the liner notes, the band consists of michael on
electric violin and eric on electric guitar. They are an american band but
play free form jazz and noise in the european style. Sometimes a bit too
chaotic, but most of the times a very good interplay...

- -Fires were shot -From the heart on only me records-
the band is based around john wilkins and clay walton. Both play accoustic
guitar and effects. This is A VERY GOOD CD, believe me: a broad range of
styles: from sonic youth/pavement guitar style soundscapes to very jazzy
interplay.

Both bands are really amazing and will be on my top 10 of 1999.

However, I didn't find anything on these bands...

Can anyone help me with additional info (weblinks etc)

Best wishes

stefan


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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 16:03:06 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: who are these bands???? Help wanted......

In a message dated 7/25/99 3:38:42 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< -Noggin -untiteled cd on trackshun industries-
as far as i can read from the liner notes, the band consists of michael on
electric violin and eric on electric guitar. They are an american band but
play free form jazz and noise in the european style. Sometimes a bit too
chaotic, but most of the times a very good interplay...

Both bands are really amazing and will be on my top 10 of 1999.>>

I can't help you with more info about Noggin, but I do know that this CD has
been out for at least three or four years. the recording date, although it's
not really clear in the liner notes, is Jan./Feb. '94, not '99. I haven't
seen anything else from Noggin since.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com


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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 16:06:18 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Ground Zero-Last Concert

for those of you not subscribed to the Forced Exposure new releases list, FE
got in copies of Ground Zero-Last Concert (Amoebic) this week. Other Music
also has it. just bought it, haven't heard it yet...

Jon

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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 13:13:43 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Dave Trenkel)
Subject: Re: [thewire] who are these bands???? Help wanted......

At 9:36 PM 7/25/99, Stefan Verstraeten wrote:
>From: "Stefan Verstraeten" <[e-mail]>
>
>Hi,
>
>I just picked up two very good jazz-noise cds, but i don't know anything of
>these bands, so help is appreciated:
>
>-Noggin -untiteled cd on trackshun industries-
>as far as i can read from the liner notes, the band consists of michael on
>electric violin and eric on electric guitar. They are an american band but
>play free form jazz and noise in the european style. Sometimes a bit too
>chaotic, but most of the times a very good interplay...

Noggin were from somewhere in Washington (Everett maybe?), Eric is a
20-something guitarist, Michael is much older (50's/60's) violinist, just a
phenomenal improvisor. The CD is a couple of years old, I saw them a few
times around then and they were always terrific. Michael is a very engaging
storyteller also.

Last I knew the guitarist had moved to Portland, and I believe they are no
longer playing together. Haven't heard anything from Michael since then.

________________________________________________________
Dave Trenkel : [e-mail]  : www.peak.org/~improv/

"...there will come a day when you won't have to use
gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in
your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper
type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em
together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em
together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire."
                                            -Sun Ra
________________________________________________________



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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 14:09:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: omoide hatoba

a little late in replying, but...

On Wed, 21 Jul 1999 [e-mail] wrote:

> than I had noticed before. BTW, does anyone know what "Omoide Hatoba" means?

it means "Harbor of Memories" (Omoide = harbor, Hatoba = memory)

the name is sort of an absurd joke.
in Japanese Enka music (traditional folk
music), words like "memory" and
"harbor" are used very frequently in
song titles because they're evocative words.
putting these two words together makes
it a nonsense name. or as Yamamoto once
told me "it's just like the music...
putting together common elements to create
something strange."

hasta.

Yes.  Beautiful, wonderful nature.  Hear it sing to us: *snap*  Yes.  natURE.


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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 21:11:47 -0500
From: King Wilson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Jon Hassel and TV

Anyone else notice that Jon Hassel did the theme to The Practice tv show?

  btw  the new Wire magazine has a really good article about Otomo Yoshidi



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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 19:56:39 -0700
From: Herb Levy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Jerry Hunt

     Brian Olewnick asked:

>     Any opinions on this composer's work, including the new Tzadik
>     release? I've read a bit on him but never got around to listening. Any
>     general descriptions/critiques would be appreciated.
>

Jerry Hunt was an amazing performer of live electronic music; seeing him
for the first time was a revelation for me. Curtain up (probably
figuratively, but the space may have had a curtain) on a table full of
electronic gear already making sounds. Hunt comes on stage in a cheap suit,
bad comb-over, banging on a very battered suitcase. At some point it seems
that there may some connection between the banging and changes in the
sound. Eventually Hunt sits in a folding chair, flashing a light at some of
the gear on the table and then begins shing the light at a series of
snapshots he's holding so that they face the table, alternating shining the
light on the pictures and the gear, again with some sort of sense that
changes are being controlled but no easy answer as to how this is
occurring. It was a lot like an Absurdist theater piece with amazing music.
Subsequent performances were equally mystifying in terms of the performance
gestures, and equally fascinating and satisfying sonically.

For me Haramand Planes, the CD that was originally released on What Next
(now distributed by OO Discs) is the most like what his performances
sounded like, though the OO original disc (Ground) is also good.  OO also
has a video of four pieces by Hunt available.  There's also a very good
piece called Fluud on one of those Computer Music Compilations on Centaur.
The CRI disc compiles works from a couple of older independent LP releases
& this may noit be a very good intro to his work.

The Tzadik disc is an odd array: short pieces made as music beds for a
collaboration with Karen Finley, and subsequently used in much the same way
by Shelley Hirsch in a performance based on her reminiscences of Hunt. Some
of these pieces are heard with Hirsch or Finley's vocals on top of them &
several are heard alone.  I assume that the vocal by Mike Patton was done
without him ever knowing Hunt, but I could be wrong & I don't think this'd
make much difference.

Here's the URL for a Hunt memorial (he died of lung cancer a few years
back) Web site, with several fascinating & often very funny  interviews and
articles that might help place him into a context.

http://members.aol.com/huntjerry/

OO Discs can be found at:
http://www.hear.com/o.o./

I've played tracks from Haramand Plane & Ground on Mappings; I have a
couple of tracks from the Tzadik disc scheduled for mid/late August.  I'll
post something to the list when they come up.

Bests,

Herb


Herb Levy
[e-mail]



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Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:58:21 +0100
From: "Thomas Fischer jr." <[e-mail]>
Subject: zorn tour dates

...i did not know anything about masada in milano
in advance, in fact i arrived at the train station at 7pm,
a friend picked me up and told me that this john zorn
(i did mention him earlier) would play tonite...

i think you can imagine how surprised i was :)

thomas


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Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 20:22:45 +1000
From: Peter Hollo <[e-mail]>
Subject: New York/overseas purchases and experiences, and Ehrlich Dark Woods...

> Speaking of Ribot, are there any opinions out there on the last
> Erhlich's Dark Woods Ensemble with MR as special guest?

Just got back from New York which was totally amazing. Will shortly be
writing more to the list I think. Went to Downtown Music Gallery quite a
lot and was pleased to see it mentioned on the list.

Anyway, not only did I get this CD - Solace - but I also went and saw
Ehrlich perform it at Tonic a couple of weeks ago.
Wowee! I went mostly because I'm a Jewish cellist and wanted to see the
amazing Erik Friedlander perform. But it was great. Mark Ribot was not
the guitarist - can't remember who it was, a black guy, but he was in my
opinion fantastic.
I've not all in all been blown away by Ribot's playing on any of the
Radical Jewish Chamber Jazz stuff - Bar Kokhba etc. He tends to play
blues rather than klezmer. Lovely tone to his guitar, but the guy who
did it live sounded beautiful too.
Nevertheless, his playing is completely up to that on for instance the
Bar Kokhba CDs and the Circle Maker one.
Ehrlich's compositions are lovely. Some are much more Jewish than
others; Erik's cello playing is uniformly wonderful IMHO and really
helps make the CD great.

A worthwhile release for sure.

Also got the new Davka CD which is great - can review when I have more
time - it's violin, cello and hand percussion, with guest clarinet and
bass on some tracks, but for basically "chamber" music it's full of
gusto, a really great take on Jewish music.
Also the Ahava Raba one which is very weird and very good. Gypsy/klezmer
stuff, done in an indescribably odd way. Not your general Tzadik odd
though.
The Masada live in Jerusalem is in my opinion probably the best playing
by Masada I've heard recorded.
The Tin Hat Trio CD - vaguely related to list topic - is really lovely.
Not on Tzadik or anything, sortof chamber gypsy stuff. They have
violin/viola, accordion and guitar. Great combo! It has, rather
misleadingly, Trevor Dunn playing on one track (misleading as he doesn't
contribute that much) and Mike Patton singing guest vocals on a hidden
track.
Also notable are both CDs by the New Orleans Klezmer Allstars. Very
Tzadik suited, kind of funky klez-rock. They're quite sloppy in their
playing sometimes (soloing and stuff) but quite tight as an ensemble all
the same. Worth a listen to in a store.

Um, that covers most of my Zorn-list type purchases. Only other thing to
mention is Bratsch - a French gypsy hot club kind of group, whose
members mostly have experience playing free jazz... lots of gypsy and
klezmer classics as well as originals, lots of character, fantastic
technique. What more could you ask? And you can hardly find their CDs AT
ALL outside of France! I heartily recommend checking them out if you
can, especially the live CDs.

There you go!
Peter.

- --
Peter Hollo  [e-mail]  http://www.fourplay.com.au/me.html
              FourPlay - Eclectic Electric String Quartet
                       http://www.fourplay.com.au
                     Raven: experimental electronic
                 http://www.fourplay.com.au/sound.html
"Of course, dance music can be a music where you lie on your back and
your brain cells dance" -Michael Karoli of Can, quoted in Wire mag.

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Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:36:16 -0800
From: Jason Tors <[e-mail]>
Subject: |questions|

Where is a good place to start with EUGENE CHADBOURNE??

I got a mailing for 14th st Y concerts in august, kicking it all off with a
cobra performance. I can traslate that mailing to the list if there is
interest. However it is at home, so it will have to wait till tomorrow.

Is Joe Gallant & Illuminati the big band that covers grateful dead songs?

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Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:40:17 -0400
From: "Marotta, Larry" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Rashaan Roland Kirk

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> I know, I imagine I come off as a totally ignormant, mis/uninformed fool,
> BUT, what better source to mine, eh?  (All this questions of mine.... but
> hey, I'm a 17 year old kid, fgs)
>
> So, which Kirk album/period/label should I begin with.  I'm not looking
> for an "introduction" for the potentially pale,  I'm looking for best
> work...
>
    >>There's a great CD compilation called "Aces Back to Back" which
contains four of his albums. There's one side-long track (in vinyl speak)
called "The Seeker" which I think offers the best intro to Kirk's work.
Everything is there: the reverance for the entirety of jazz history, his
amazing pontificating, multi-instruments, circular breathing, etc.

    Also check out the album "Volunteered Slavery." It swings like
nothing and contains some interesting re-inventions of then current pop
songs.

    Rhino video has released a live Kirk concert which is worth seeing.

    Larry



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