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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #707
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Zorn List Digest Sunday, July 11 1999 Volume 02 : Number 707
In this issue:
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Re: Sentimental Favorites
Re: More KISS!!!!!
Uncivil Glass [was Re: some downtowners go pop]
Re: some downtowners go pop
Re: some downtowners go pop
Buddy Rich (was: some downtowners go pop)
Re: More KISS!!!!!
ornette is coming tonite
Re: Iron Path
Re: Uncivil Glass [was Re: some downtowners go pop]
Re: some downtowners go pop
Karlheinz Stockhausen
Re: some downtowners go pop
Re: Karlheinz Stockhausen
Re: Karlheinz Stockhausen
websites
john cage
Re: some downtowners go pop
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 22:28:50 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: Sentimental Favorites
On Fri, Jul 09, 1999 at 04:34:53PM -0700, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
> That's the one on Virgin? Strange, you might be one of the few to like
> it. It has been systematically dismissed or ignored by most early fans
> of Last Exit. But this was before listeners were acustomed to ambient
> (which, if I remember well, you can detect some elements in IRON PATH).
>
> Are there other people on the list who would advice that one?
I really like it, though I don't listen to it often. Not where you'd
go to get an improv fix, but, in a sense, more of a Laswell
construction a la "Lost in the Translation" (which is one of my alltime
faves). Like he said, Crimson meets Mahavishnu with perhaps a
premonition of Rage Against the Machine popping through. Ferocious
fun.
np. Sylvian/Fripp: Damage (which I finally own again after many years!
Ya wanna talk ferocious fun -- makes me look forward to the next
King Crimson all the more eagerly...)
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| jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/~jzitt |
| Latest Solo CD: Gentle Entropy http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt |
| Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List |
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 22:46:30 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: More KISS!!!!!
On Fri, Jul 09, 1999 at 11:41:44PM +0000, uranus musickness wrote:
> So what would you think a good lineup would be?
The Boredoms: Rock and Roll All Nite
Zohar: Beth
Shelley Hirsch & the Invisible Scratch Pickles: New York Groove
Y.Eye and SXL: I Was Made For Loving You
Anthony Braxton: World Without Heroes
Carl Stone and Malcolm Goldstein: Lick It Up
Masada String Ensemble: God Gave Rock and Roll to You
(BTW, I ran across a frighteningly complete site, with complete shows
in RealAudio, etc, at http://www.kissvault.com/ )
Starting to miss my complete set of solo albums...
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| jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/~jzitt |
| Latest Solo CD: Gentle Entropy http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt |
| Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List |
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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 01:08:02 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Uncivil Glass [was Re: some downtowners go pop]
"Patrice L. Roussel" wrote:
> Did anybody buy CIVIL WARS by Glass and Wilson? Since the composition was
> written almost 20 years ago, I have high expectections for it. Any opinion
> before I take the dive?
I didn't buy it - it was sent to me as a freebie. I had expectations similar
to yours, and I thought it sucked. I'd mail you my copy but I got rid of it
weeks ago. Buy it used if you must (and I always recommend that no one take
my spoutings as gospel anyway...).
I do wish I could say something more substantial about the music - other than
the fact the I thought a lengthy passage recited by Wilson was pompous and the
Verdian operatic voices in general didn't fit the Glass idiom - but I've
blocked it from memory for the most part. But to give you some kind of
indication, I love 'Einstein,' 'Glassworks,' 'Mishima,' 'Koyaanisqatsi,'
'Satyagraha,' 'Akhnaten,' the string quartets and the violin concerto. And I
think most of the more recent stuff, like the Bowie "symphonies" and the
Symphony No. 2, are crap. I walked out of a Metropolitan Opera performance of
'The Voyage' during the first intermission out of sheer boredom.
I've gone from being a rabid fan to feeling that he's essentially played out,
whereas Reich and to a lesser extent Adams continue to surprise and delight
me.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 01:25:33 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: some downtowners go pop
Joseph Zitt wrote:
> For that matter, while I was already a fan of Charlie Haden and
> Jamaaladeen Tacuma, the player who finally convinced me to pick up
> the bass was ... Derek Smalls.
Good Lord, I wasn't expecting my Peter Criss revelation to be so soundly
trounced in just one day...
"The bigger the waistband / The deeper the quicksand / Or so I have read..."
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - 'Clerks' (just acquired on DVD this evening...)
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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 01:33:29 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: some downtowners go pop
Joseph Zitt wrote:
> Yups, and it may be the best thing either of them has ever done. If I
> were the type to keep Best of the Year lists, it would definitely be
> on it.
Wow, Patrice, I hope you are able to reconcile these varying opinions. Like I
said, I certainly wouldn't want my own opinion taken as gospel, especially given
the nods to the contrary I've read since sending my own post a few minutes ago.
Joseph's in particular almost makes me want to hear the damn thing again.
Almost.
I think that means you might oughta hear it for yourself somehow.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
[who has heard lots of Glass and seen lots of Wilson and still believes the best
either of them will ever do is 'Einstein on the Beach'...]
NP - 'Clerks'
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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 11:09:38 +0200
From: patRice <gda@datacomm.ch>
Subject: Buddy Rich (was: some downtowners go pop)
Steve Smith wrote:
> Criss name-dropped Gene Krupa, which make me check out big band jazz (Krupa led to
> Rich and finally to the awesome Bellson).
hi steve!
funny, i had planned to send the following question considering buddy
rich on this list. now you came up with his name. excellent!
can you recommend any recordings that feature buddy rich? i bought one
of his cds a few weeks ago. all the pieces on it start off very nicely,
but unfortunately on about 7 out of 9 tracks there are excessive solos
on the instrument i absolutely and completely detest: soprano saxophone.
(well, i actually have a coltrane cd on which, as far as i remember, he
plays soprano; and it doesn't sound as bad as usual...) so i had to
throw the cd out the window...
your help is very much appreciated!
patRice
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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 12:55:06 +0200
From: "Rob Allaert" <rob.allaert@charity.nu>
Subject: Re: More KISS!!!!!
Hey, I second that. Had to laugh about Zorn doing 'Shandi' :-) What about
these songs:
Goin' Blind
Man of 1000 faces
Naked City (by Naked City ?)
Under the Rose
Rock Bottom
Tomorrow and Tonight
Ain't quite right
... etc ...
Rob, Belgium
|Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 23:41:44 GMT
|From: "uranus musickness" <hotpoopy@hotmail.com>
|Subject: More KISS!!!!!
|
|So what would you think a good lineup would be?
|
|Haino Keiji- "Hard Luck Woman"
|Ruins- "Firehouse"
|Marc Ribot- "See You In Your Dreams Tonight"
|Fred Frith- "Love Theme From KISS"
|MMW- "Love Her All I Can"
|Zony Mash- "Almost Human"
|Bill Laswell- "100,000 Years"
|Massacre- "Great Expectations"
|Zorn- "Shandi"
|Mike Patton- "Sweet Pain'
|Eyvind Kang- "Calling Dr. Love"
|Masada- "Detroit Rock City"
|Steve Lacy- "X-Ray Eyes"
|Anthony Coleman- "Love Gun"
|
|Hell they otta just make it a double cd box set and include some reunited
|Naked City doing She.
|
|Sick and wrong, way too bored at work,
|John
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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 15:24:07 +0200
From: "in.out" <in.out@wanadoo.fr>
Subject: ornette is coming tonite
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hey folks,
I'm glad to take part of the list !
just a few words to say that tonight, Ornette Coleman is playing in =
Viennes (FR) with the Master musicians of Jajouka.
He is playing with his quartet : Ornette Coleman (s), Joachim K=FChn =
(p), Charnett Moffett (b), Denardo Coleman (dms) + Master Musicians of =
Jajouka.feat.=20
Also tonight Randy Weston and the Gnawa from tangar :Randy Weston (p), =
Billy Harper (s), Benny Powell (tb), Alex Blake (b), Neil Clarke (dms), =
Abdellah El Gourd (hajoui), Mostapha Oubella (karkbar, voc), Abdenebi =
Oubella (karkbar, voc).
More informations Monday.
Mikl+Delphine=20
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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 09:54:59 EDT
From: CuneiWay@aol.com
Subject: Re: Iron Path
Despite the "dissing" that Iron Path [the studio Last Exit release]
apparently gets [not from MY circle of listening friends], it is [& has been
for YEARS now] the *only* one that I still play regularly & enjoy.
Back to lurk mode
Steve Feigenbaum
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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 08:42:34 -0700
From: s~Z <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Uncivil Glass [was Re: some downtowners go pop]
Steve Smith wrote:
[insert minimalspeak here]
I've never stopped listening to Einstein and 18 Musicians and Drumming.
What do you think of Ensemble Modern's 18M?
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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 14:41:50 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: some downtowners go pop
On Sat, Jul 10, 1999 at 01:33:29AM -0400, Steve Smith wrote:
> [who has heard lots of Glass and seen lots of Wilson and still believes the best
> either of them will ever do is 'Einstein on the Beach'...]
I should moderate what I said by noting that I've never seen EotB, though
I wish I had. I agree with your opinion of recent Glass (especially the
Bowie massacres, where he managed to surgically remove everything that
was interesting about the originals and be left with orchestral riffs).
I think "the CIVIL warS" was just before the turning point, though my
sense of the historical order of his *ography isn't clear. I've seen
a bunch of Wilson, too, and think he got to repeating himself after a
while. I'm frustrated that I can't be in NYC this weekend to see
DD&D III...
(A high point of my career as a performance ego: during intermission
of Wilson's "Parsifal" in Houston, I spotted a performance artist
from Austin. As I was approaching from behind her, unseen, I heard
her say to her husband, "This is a lot like Joe Zitt's pieces, but
I like Joe's better." I grinned for days...)
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| jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/~jzitt |
| Latest Solo CD: Gentle Entropy http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt |
| Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List |
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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 22:19:19 CDT
From: "samuel yrui" <nonintention@hotmail.com>
Subject: Karlheinz Stockhausen
where do i begin when it comes to Karlheinz Stockhausen? can any one give
me some info on where to start w/ albums and whatnot? i've never heard
anything by him yet. i can't find anyone i know who's ever even heard of
him.
-samuel yrui
_______________________________________________________________
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 00:24:11 EDT
From: Nvinokur@aol.com
Subject: Re: some downtowners go pop
In a message dated 7/9/99 6:24:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
cdeupree@erinet.com writes:
> So, what kind of music do other people play at parties, small gatherings or
> dinners with friends, etc.?
I find the Penguin Cafe Orchestra works at dinner parties, can't go wrong
with Miles from the 50's, and few people get offended by Bob Marley. I have
snuck on Bar Kokba and Jazz Passengers and gotten away with that also. How
about a list of music to empty parties by?
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 00:37:14 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: Karlheinz Stockhausen
On Sat, Jul 10, 1999 at 10:19:19PM -0500, samuel yrui wrote:
> where do i begin when it comes to Karlheinz Stockhausen? can any one give
> me some info on where to start w/ albums and whatnot? i've never heard
> anything by him yet. i can't find anyone i know who's ever even heard of
> him.
Many have of him, but fear to speak his name. (Well, not really, but
it's fun to say that.) Since he's turning 70 this year, there have
been quiate an array of concerts of his stuff (including, I
modestly mention, one by my group, Comma, last August).
The first thing to do is to check out http://www.stockhausen.org
Not much of his music is readily available nowadays, since he grabbed
control of damn near everything and is only selling his CDs himself,
where you get to pay like $39.99 for a single disc.
IMHO, the place to start in terms of stuff that you can actually find
is the CD "Stimmung", as performed by Singcircle (Hyperion CDA66115).
You can also probably find the CD of sections of "Aus Die Sieben
Tagen" available on Harmonia Mundi, usually pretty cheap.
One must-hear work, "Gesang der Junglinge (Song of the Youths)" is
only currently available on an expensive Stockhausen Verlag disc on
on an LP that goes for lots of $$ on eBay quite often. However,
you can hear the piece in RealAudio in Kalvos and Damian's New
Music radio show from July 13, 1996, archived at
http://www.goddard.edu/wgdr/kalvos/shows/kalv0713.ram (I love
search engines :-])
Once you have done all this, grasshopper, check out the Stockhausen
mailing list at onelist.com
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| jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/~jzitt |
| Latest Solo CD: Gentle Entropy http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt |
| Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List |
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 00:37:26 EDT
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: Karlheinz Stockhausen
In a message dated 7/10/99 11:53:13 PM, nonintention@hotmail.com writes:
<< where do i begin when it comes to Karlheinz Stockhausen? >>
unfortunately, all the best stuff is only available on CD in obscenely
expensive form, only obtainable from Mr. Stockhausen himself via mail order
in Germany (www.stockhausen.org), or at a markup to that, via Other Music
(www.othermusic.com). I don't especially like any of the ones that are
available through more conventional channels. my favorite pieces are Hymnen,
Telemusik and the two Mikrophonie pieces. I'm sure a fair amount of libraries
stock the old DG vinyl for some of his stuff; you can't really go wrong with
anything he did up until the early seventies.
Jon
NP-No Neck Blues Band-The Birth Of Both Worlds (Sound@One)
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 01:51:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Santamaria <d028932c@dc.seflin.org>
Subject: websites
I have recently come across a large amount of pseudo-spare cash that I
plan on wasting on cd's. I do wish to obtain the best value for my
money, of course. I am also new to all this internet mumbo jumbo, and
I'm not a very ambitious browser, so can any of you good fellows
recommend some good web pages for the previously stated purpose?
Zorn-related, anything, surprise me, I especially delight in purchasing
unfamiliar artists recommended by knowledge strangers, such as a large
majority of the members of this list.
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Your Grandpa's cane, it turns into a sword
Your Grandma prays to pictures that are pasted on a board
-B. D.
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 02:03:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Santamaria <d028932c@dc.seflin.org>
Subject: john cage
Also, can anyone recommend a good performance of John Cage's Music of
Changes on cd?
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Your Grandpa's cane, it turns into a sword
Your Grandma prays to pictures that are pasted on a board
-B. D.
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 01:50:44 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: some downtowners go pop
On Sun, Jul 11, 1999 at 12:24:11AM -0400, Nvinokur@aol.com wrote:
> I find the Penguin Cafe Orchestra works at dinner parties, can't go wrong
> with Miles from the 50's, and few people get offended by Bob Marley. I have
> snuck on Bar Kokba and Jazz Passengers and gotten away with that also. How
> about a list of music to empty parties by?
We useta have contests in College (late 70s) to see whose records could
clear the room fastest. But when I returned from a weekend in Pittsburgh
with copies of Yoko Ono's "Fly" and Lou Reed's "Metal Machine Music",
the others surrendered. About that time, my friends guessed that I
had "the world's largest collection of records that sounded like
vacuum cleaner malfunctions"; I will gladly cede that title to anyone
who has more than one Illusion of Safety disc :-)
n.p.: Alan Licht: Rabbi Sky. (Hmm, the liner notes seem to describe
much more interesting music than I'm hearing...)
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| jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/~jzitt |
| Latest Solo CD: Gentle Entropy http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt |
| Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List |
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