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Zorn List Digest         Friday, July 9 1999         Volume 02 : Number 706



In this issue:
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       Re: rahsaan /introduction
       Re: Zsolo saxophone
       Re: Sentimental Favorites
       Re: Sentimental Favorites
       Re: Sharrock
       More KISS!!!!!
       Re: Sharrock
       Re: Sentimental Favorites
       re: iron path (was Re: Sentimental Favorites )
       more kirk
       Re: Sentimental Favorites
       Fwd: DENVER--COBRA--MORE...(I.S.O. Conrad Kehn)
       Re: Sentimental Favorites
       Re: Sharrock
       Re: some downtowners go pop
       Re: Sentimental Favorites
       Re: Sentimental Favorites

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Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 15:38:05 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: rahsaan /introduction

On Fri, 09 Jul 1999 18:33:47 -0400  Tom Pratt wrote:
>
> listening to: Michael Jackson "Rock With You" (is that better, Patrice?)   (:

No, you can try Prince.

    Patrice.

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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 18:45:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matt Moran <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zsolo saxophone

david rothbaum wrote:

> if anyone can recommend a few recordings of solo saxophone id appreciate
> it.  i am familiar with anthony braxton, steve lacy, evan parker, ned
> rothenberg, jason dumars, claude delangle and eric dolphy.  id like to
> check out anyone im not familiar with, jazz or classical etc..

Tenor player Ellery Eskelin has a solo cd entitled Premonition.

http://home.earthlink.net/~eskelin/discography2.html

- -matt


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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 19:23:25 -0400
From: Rich Williams <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Sentimental Favorites

>    for me it was sonny sharrock's 'ask the ages'
><<.Snip>>
>    btw, are any of his other more rare albums *that* amazing? i
>also have "Guitar" on Enemy, which i like, but not as much as the
>rolling energy of 'Ages.... and yeah, i've heard LAst Exit too,
>which also blows me away..


    Check my website at
www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/4306/sharrock/index.html
for Sonny's complete discography, My favorites(besides Ask The
Ages,obviously) would include include;

Black Woman 1969 on Vortex
    The band is Sonny & Linda Sharrock, Milford Graves on drums,
Sirone on bass and Dave Burrell on piano. The closest thing,
stylistically, to Ask The Ages   If you've never heard Linda's
singing this should scare you good ;-)

Seize The Rainbow  1987  Enemy
     Sonny's first album as a bandleader after a long  period.
w/Melvin Gibbs on bass and Pheeroan Aklaff and Abe Speller on double
drumming. Recorded at Electric Ladyland. Raw, muscular, pretty much
essential

Highlife 1990 enemy
    Adds a keyboard player.  Real nice, if somewhat tame by
Sharrock standards. Francis Davis said "Music so good they should
invent a radio format for it"  I'd agree. Hear Sonny play the hell
out of a  Harry Belafonte tune......really.

Sharrock +Skopelitis  Faith Moves
    Somewhat similar to Guitar, but better, the tunes are a bit
more fleshed out

F.Robert Lloyd Think about Brooklyn
    Sonny's last session.  w/ Laswell, Anton Fier. Swampy,
Bluesy, not entirely successful but brilliant in spots. Contains
Sonny's only recorded vocal (spoken word actually)

Last Exit  Iron path
    Their only studio album. One of my favorite Laswell
productions of all time. Doesn't sound much like their others, more
of a Crimson meets Mahavishnu vibe.



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Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 16:34:53 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Sentimental Favorites

On Fri, 9 Jul 1999 19:23:25 -0400  Rich Williams wrote:
>
> Last Exit  Iron path
>     Their only studio album. One of my favorite Laswell
> productions of all time. Doesn't sound much like their others, more
> of a Crimson meets Mahavishnu vibe.

That's the one on Virgin? Strange, you might be one of the few to like
it. It has been systematically dismissed or ignored by most early fans
of Last Exit. But this was before listeners were acustomed to ambient
(which, if I remember well, you can detect some elements in IRON PATH).

Are there other people on the list who would advice that one?

    Patrice (who will give IRON PATH another try).

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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 19:42:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Sharrock

So isn't it about time we bug Atlantic, Rhino, Koch, 32 Jazz or whomever
owns the Vortx catalogue to re-release Black Woman?

Anyone have any connectiosn there? SSmith?

Ken


On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, Rich Williams wrote:

 My favorites(besides Ask The
> Ages,obviously) would include include;
>
> Black Woman 1969 on Vortex
>     The band is Sonny & Linda Sharrock, Milford Graves on drums,
> Sirone on bass and Dave Burrell on piano. The closest thing,
> stylistically, to Ask The Ages   If you've never heard Linda's
> singing this should scare you good ;-)
>>

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Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 23:41:44 GMT
From: "uranus musickness" <[e-mail]>
Subject: More KISS!!!!!

So what would you think a good lineup would be?

Haino Keiji- "Hard Luck Woman"
Ruins- "Firehouse"
Marc Ribot- "See You In Your Dreams Tonight"
Fred Frith- "Love Theme From KISS"
MMW- "Love Her All I Can"
Zony Mash- "Almost Human"
Bill Laswell- "100,000 Years"
Massacre- "Great Expectations"
Zorn- "Shandi"
Mike Patton- "Sweet Pain'
Eyvind Kang- "Calling Dr. Love"
Masada- "Detroit Rock City"
Steve Lacy- "X-Ray Eyes"
Anthony Coleman- "Love Gun"

Hell they otta just make it a double cd box set and include some reunited
Naked City doing She.

Sick and wrong, way too bored at work,
John


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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 19:48:49 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Sharrock

In a message dated 7/9/99 7:42:47 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< So isn't it about time we bug Atlantic, Rhino, Koch, 32 Jazz or whomever
owns the Vortex catalogue to re-release Black Woman? >>

I believe that Thurston Moore and Byron Coley have been planning to put this
out for a while, although I don't know anything more specific.

Jon

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Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 19:51:27 -0400
From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Sentimental Favorites

Patrice L. Roussel wrote:

> Are there other people on the list who would advice that one? [Iron Path]

I never thought it was all that bad; some of it's quite good in fact. I
fear some of the reaction was just knee-jerk anti-major label stuff
(though I think Brotz has been quoted as disliking it).  Nothing though,
imho, holds a candle to the first side of the first album on Enemy. 20
of the greatest minutes in jazz-rock-improv history.

Brian Olewnick

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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:17:48 -0400
From: "wetboy" <[e-mail]>
Subject: re: iron path (was Re: Sentimental Favorites )

. But this was before listeners were acustomed to ambient
>(which, if I remember well, you can detect some elements in IRON PATH).
>
>Are there other people on the list who would advice that one?
>
> Patrice (who will give IRON PATH another try).
>


in a continuing effort 2 shatter the record of previous posts made by me in
a day, i will chime in with great praise for iron path. don't xpect 2 hear a
copy of the first record, but i love it anyway. that band never fails 2 blow
me away.




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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:22:33 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: more kirk

since it seems as if the majority of Kirk fans on this list have the bulk of
their collections on vinyl, I'd like to also suggest I, Eye, Aye, which is
live in Montreaux 1972, and was issued for the first time in 1996 by Rhino.
it's pretty burnin'.

Jon

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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 18:05:50 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Dave Trenkel)
Subject: Re: Sentimental Favorites

At 4:34 PM 7/9/99, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>On Fri, 9 Jul 1999 19:23:25 -0400  Rich Williams wrote:
>>
>> Last Exit  Iron path
>>       Their only studio album. One of my favorite Laswell
>> productions of all time. Doesn't sound much like their others, more
>> of a Crimson meets Mahavishnu vibe.
>
>That's the one on Virgin? Strange, you might be one of the few to like
>it. It has been systematically dismissed or ignored by most early fans
>of Last Exit. But this was before listeners were acustomed to ambient
>(which, if I remember well, you can detect some elements in IRON PATH).
>
>Are there other people on the list who would advice that one?
>
>        Patrice (who will give IRON PATH another try).

Hell Yeah! I LOVE IRON PATH. It's definitely among my all-time favorite
records. Very different from the rest of the Last Exit output, surprisingly
restrained, and IMHO, a beautiful record. I'd love a CD copy, having worn
through several on vinyl.

________________________________________________________
Dave Trenkel : [e-mail]  : www.peak.org/~improv/

"...there will come a day when you won't have to use
gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in
your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper
type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em
together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em
together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire."
                                            -Sun Ra
________________________________________________________



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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 21:11:58 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Fwd: DENVER--COBRA--MORE...(I.S.O. Conrad Kehn)

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Joseph Breinfalk: Please post the following to the Zorn-List.
>>>>>>

An email in response the following post was accidentally deleted. It was from
a Conrad Kehn, at Univ. of Denver I believe. Please resend.

Thanks,
Nathan Fuhr
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 15:21:12 EDT
Subject: DENVER--COBRA--MORE...
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Hello Zorn-list!

My name is Nathan Fuhr. I created the COBRA Ensemble - Cincinnati, in
September of last year. Although Zorn's Cobra has been the focus of the
group, we've done a few other projects, an original piece w/ dancers,
arrangements/pieces of mine; all more-or-less within, and (almost!) touching
both extremes of, the spectrum of the Zorn aesthetic. (By the way, for the
record, the name and concept of the group is based on that of the COBRA
artists of 1948-51.)

Although I may continue work with the Cincinnati group on a less frequent
basis, I will be moving to Denver in the fall for a position with the
Colorado Symphony (i'm a conductor). Providing I can hook up with the right
kind of musicians, I seek to create a group there; perhaps similar but not
the same. Not only have I learned a tremendous amout this first time around,
but whatever the group takes on is determined exclusively by the strengths,
artistic sensibilities, and personalities of the players at hand, which could
be quite different on the Denver scene. In addition to Cobra and other Zorn
works, pieces such as Stockhausen's Stimmung, Kagel's Exotica, or Uri Caine
type projects would be worthwhile foci--and if it feels right, originals. I
would be content just doing Cobra too, but only if doing it damn well;
uniquely and sincerely--of course having fun, but not mindlessly mimicking
the KF disc or just goofing off.

If you're in Denver and interested, drop me a line. Also, if you know of any
players on the scene, please feel free to let me know of them, or pass the
word on. I'm looking forward to meeting potential collaborateurs and open to
ideas, but certainly making no promises at this point. I'm just testing the
waters, hoping to get a head start getting acquainted with serious musicians
in Denver/Boulder that may be hip to this; musicians I obviously would not
find via my work with the symphony. This project is not a must, if I don't
feel I've found the right players/chemistry, I'll let it go.  But,
admittedly, I wouldn't mind out-doing what we've done here in Cincinnati thus
far.

Thanks!
Nathan Fuhr
[e-mail]

P.S. - I have been warned. Please do not contact me just to get copies of
Cobra. It's not my place to do anything with it but make music.






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Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 21:28:29 -0400
From: eric ong <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Sentimental Favorites

>> Last Exit  Iron path
>>     Their only studio album. One of my favorite Laswell
>> productions of all time. Doesn't sound much like their others, more
>> of a Crimson meets Mahavishnu vibe.
>
>That's the one on Virgin? Strange, you might be one of the few to like
>it. It has been systematically dismissed or ignored by most early fans
>of Last Exit. But this was before listeners were acustomed to ambient
>(which, if I remember well, you can detect some elements in IRON PATH).
>
>Are there other people on the list who would advice that one?

Patrice,

For some reason, "Iron Path" is the Last Exit album I usually recommend to
anyone interested in checking them out. I think people in general feel more
comfortable buying studio albums as opposed to live material. But to answer
your question, yes, "Iron Path" has its merits imho and I'd recommend
giving it another try.

Also, I know most Last Exit fans wonder if there's anything left in the can
that might eventually see the light of day. Well, I know there's a whole
European tour's worth of recordings from the "Headfirst" period; whether
it'll ever come out is anybody's guess. That was a volatile combination of
personalities and somebody was always mad at somebody else. Brotzmann vs
Laswell, Shannon Jackson vs Laswell. Shannon vs Brotzmann, and the band
generally vs the promoters of the world and the entire music business.
There was a lot of stomping offstage and all-round mayhem. But when they
were on form there was no band more exciting in that period, and even when
they were off form it was somehow a spectacle worth experiencing (the jazz
equivalent of late period Birthday Party, maybe, or early Pretty Things if
anyone can remember that far back). After a few years of not talking to
each other the band members smoothed out differences and were getting ready
to tour Europe again when Sonny Sharrock died.

Anyways, I took the day off from work today to go record shopping and I
ended up with a whole bag of goodies. What was it with the used sections
today? I found the dbl disc "In Memoriam Max Brand" (rhiz) for 8 bucks! I'm
listening to it right now and it sounds pretty great. The first disc is
archival-type selections of Max Brand's work, which ranges from sounding
like "Wozzeck" at 100 rpm to French folk tunes with the occasional
arbitrary electronic blast. The second disc finds the Mego/Sabotage/etc
crowd (Pita, Epy, etc) remixing Brand's work and also sounds quite fine.
Many of these pieces are borderline noise/electro. If you're interested,
I'm sure there are sound samples at MDOS.

- -eric.




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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 21:57:32 -0400
From: Rich Williams <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Sharrock

>In a message dated 7/9/99 7:42:47 PM, [e-mail] writes:
>
><< So isn't it about time we bug Atlantic, Rhino, Koch, 32 Jazz or whomever
>owns the Vortex catalogue to re-release Black Woman? >>
>
>I believe that Thurston Moore and Byron Coley have been planning to put this
>out for a while, although I don't know anything more specific.
>
>Jon

    Maybe someone on the list who has Thurston or Byrons contact
info could ask one of them?
Since this info is about 4 years old now. I'm beginning to think that
this is a no-go once again. I tried to secure the rights to Black
Woman, on Sonny's behalf, in the late 80's and despite having someone
inside Atlantic helping me out, I never even got them to admit that
they still owned the Vortex catalog!
    On a related note, has anyone heard anything about the
Sharrock tribute CD that was in the works. The website of the guys
putting it together seems to have evaporated.

RW


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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 21:58:16 -0400
From: Rich Williams <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: some downtowners go pop

>
>
>  It is not a bad thing to have
>pop artists who are willing and able to lead listeners to more
>challenging fare.

     Definitely not a bad thing, but I'm still waiting for Peter
Blegvad to lead people to Frith, Blegvad and Cutler....not to mention
Locus Solus...  ;-)

RW


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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 22:10:37 -0400
From: Rich Williams <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Sentimental Favorites

>
>Also, I know most Last Exit fans wonder if there's anything left in the can
>that might eventually see the light of day.



> Well, I know there's a whole
>European tour's worth of recordings from the "Headfirst" period; whether
>it'll ever come out is anybody's guess.

    There are a lot of tapes, but the ones that have been
released were considered(by Bill.,I would guess) , to be the best
available examples from whatever tour they were made on. What I would
love to hear would be the times when the band was joined by a guest
artist(Billy Bang, Diamanda galas, Hancock, Sakata, and Linda
Sharrock among them) . There was also an earlier attempt at an Exit
studio album that was abandoned.......whatever happened to the idea
of the Laswell Collectors club anyway?



RW


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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 22:13:48 -0400
From: Rich Williams <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Sentimental Favorites

>Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>
> > Are there other people on the list who would advice that one? [Iron Path]
>
>I never thought it was all that bad; some of it's quite good in fact. I
>fear some of the reaction was just knee-jerk anti-major label stuff
>(though I think Brotz has been quoted as disliking it).

    Umm...I believe he called it crap, or was it shit?....then
again, Brotzman was responsible for some of Exit's more colorful song
titles, such as Needles=Balls, which describes.....um.....certain
practices at one of  um ....Europes more forward-looking houses of
ill-repute.
    It could be that  Brotzmans dislike for the record stems from
what sounds like(to me anyway) ,Laswells efforts to tone down, or
contain him, on that album.

> Nothing though,
>imho, holds a candle to the first side of the first album on Enemy. 20
>of the greatest minutes in jazz-rock-improv history.

    They sure did play with a kind of thundering glee on that
tour didn't they? It should be noted that the 1st albums feel was due
in no small part to Booby Musso's amazing salvage/production
techniques.

RW




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