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Zorn List Digest         Monday, July 5 1999         Volume 02 : Number 698



In this issue:
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       Re: Cecil Taylor at 70
       LP set-sale (Shameless self promotion)
       Re: Han Bennik at Vancouver
       Re: Significanr others and music
       Re: Cecil Taylor at 70
       Re: Where's Steve Smith Been? [was Re: shannon jackson]
       re: laswell list
       han ..... the hit guy
       merzbox release.........
       George Lewis Rec
       RE: Han Bennik at Vancouver
       Re: han ..... the hit guy
       RE: Ponga (w/ Horvitz & Previte)
       Lounge Lizards
       Merzbow, Dumitrescu
       Anthony Coleman live in Cracow
       [Fwd: [Fwd: URGENT/SY GEAR STOLEN! --> please forward!]]

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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 11:34:45 -0400
From: Rich Williams <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Cecil Taylor at 70

>Steve smith wrote;
>
>2. The piano was miked atrociously in the first set.  Tons of detail was
>lost.  This was my girlfriend's first time to hear CT and she felt that
>she missed out on a great deal that would have added to her
>appreciation, especially in CT's deployment of harmonic voicings,


and Brian Olewnick wrote

>
>It may have been partially due to the poor sound system, but with the
>bassist all but inaudible and Sjostram rarely interjecting anything of
much note,

and Jon Abbey wrote;
>
>I felt like the miking of the music was so
>poor that it was hard to even judge the music because there was a lot
>happening that wasn't making its way to our ears.


    It's the Cecil Taylor curse I tell ya!!....seriously though,
after seeing Cecil a few times, I'm beginning to think that that kind
of stuff is part of his concept.  I spent a couple of nights around
1987 at the old Carlos 1 club, trying to spur Cecil's interest in a
collaboration w/Sonny Sharrock.
He had a potentially killer band w/ The rev Frank Wright, Karen
Borca, William Parker...but what a sonic disaster! Cecil opened one
set with a long solo piece...while the restaraunts background music
was still playing, and was not shut off until well into the piece,
Cecil didn't seem to bat an eyelash. The Rev. Wright seemed to be in
a state of disrepair,  Karen Borca played her Bassoon next to an amp
that had the wire hanging off, disconnected (prompting Sonny to
nickname her Linda MaCartney....;-). and the houses attempt at
miking/amplification was atrocious.
    Has Anyone seen a well mixed, well presented CT gig?

RW


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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 11:14:02 -0400
From: Rich Williams <[e-mail]>
Subject: LP set-sale (Shameless self promotion)

    I've finally decided to take the axe to the last of my Vinyl
collection, as well as some CD's, tapes, periodicals and  memorabilia
that's cramping my living space....so anyone interested in such stuff
as the Ogun label material, Recommended records, Keith Tippett,
Frith, Sharrock, a bit of zorn etc... and a whole bunch more obscure
and mostly out-of-print stuff should check out my sale pages at;

www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/4306/garage/index.html

    I think the prices are fair(at least compared to what I've
seen on the net and in used shops),
and I expect the good stuff to go fast. and hey...where else are you
going to find an Art Bears single?

Thanks,

RW




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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 11:50:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Han Bennik at Vancouver

Yes, Bennik is ok in small doses. But, unfortunately, the schtick you
saw in Vancouver is his usual "show". I've seen him two or three times
and find what is interesting the first couple of run throughs, becomes
vaudeville when it's done too often.

Plimley is a quirky, humorous, experimental pianist who has recorded in a
variety of settings. He has a new, bang-up trio session on Victo (with
Lisle Ellis-b and Scott Amedola-d) called Safe Cracker and is about to
record a solo piano disc of Zappa material for hatArt.

BTW what happend to Plimley's other trio? He was supposed to play in
Vancouver with William Parker and Gerry Hemingway? Was what you saw an
addendum or a replacement?

Additionally, it would seem that improv keeps you young. Han is a lot
closer to 60 than 50.

Ken Waxman

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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 12:09:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Significanr others and music

Well if we have to have bragging rights, I'll jump right iere. My wife,
besides her other attributes is a talented photographer. One of his
specialities (guess why) is jazz/improv musicians in performance, work
that has impressed among others Barry Guy, Gerry Hemingway, David Murray,
Kidd Jordan, Domenic Duval, Mario Schiano, John Butcher and Burton Greene.

If you want to see an example of her work check John Butcher's entry in
his section of the European Free Improvisers Page or the pix on his new
CD with Georg Graewe on Nuscope.

Come to think of it, if anyone's looking for an excellent photo of some
musican, for a present or to use on a CD, e-mail me and I can send you
her list. Her prices for reproductions are quite reasonable.

Ken Waxman
[e-mail]





On Mon, 5 Jul 1999 [e-mail] wrote:

> In a message dated 7/3/99 12:45:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [e-mail] writes:
>
> > Can I just take a moment out to mention what a wonder it is to have a
> >  girlfriend who's keenly interested in attending Zorn/Frith/Laswell/Lombardo
> >  and Cecil Taylor shows with me, who is able to discuss them with me
> >  intelligently and vigorously afterward, and who takes me to hear things
> like
> >  Abbey Lincoln and a recent Vernon Reid-led multi-artist tribute to Joni
> >  Mitchell in return?
>
> Stop braggin' already!  :-)  Some of us would settle for a girlfriend whos
> into Ricky Martin (or anything else for that matter).
>
> BTW- I'm dying to know how that Joni mitchell tribute show was.
>
> -Jody
>
> -
>
>

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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 12:08:27 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Cecil Taylor at 70

In a message dated 7/5/99 11:36:16 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<< Has Anyone seen a well mixed, well presented CT gig? >>

sure. he sounded great at a couple of solo sets at the Knitting Factory over
the last few years. and also at the Vanguard a few years back, with a band
including Tristan Honsinger, Harry Sjostrom, and I can't remember who else.

Jon

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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 09:18:27 -0700
From: s~Z <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Where's Steve Smith Been? [was Re: shannon jackson]

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Stop braggin' already!  :-)  Some of us would settle for a girlfriend whos
> into Ricky Martin (or anything else for that matter).

My wife can't stand listening to the likes of Cecil Taylor on
recordings, but put her next to me in the front row face to face with
the master and her mouth's hanging open and she's covered with
gooseflesh. She  thoroughly enjoys every performance I (no longer have
to) drag her to.

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Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 13:53:56 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <[e-mail]>
Subject: re: laswell list

At 12:05 PM 7/4/99 -0500, [e-mail] wrote:
>
>what laswell list? how do i subscribe?

http://www.onelist.net/viewarchive.cgi?listname=laswell

- --
Caleb Deupree
[e-mail]

It is pretty obvious that the debasement of the human mind caused by a
constant flow of fraudulent advertising is no trivial thing.  There is more
than one way to conquer a country.

- -- Raymond Chandler




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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 18:52:37 +0200
From: "Stefan Verstraeten" <[e-mail]>
Subject: han ..... the hit guy

>From: [e-mail]
>Subject: Re: Han Bennink at Vancouver
><<At one point, Han broke one of his sticks.  He was playing so hard that
one
>piece of the stick flew out into the audience and hit someone in the row in
>front of us.  I mean, like a line drive to her forehead!>>


ahem, this sounds familiar:
when he performed with clusone in ghent.... same stuff... playing so hard
that a stick broke, went into the audience.... and the end hit me
forehead...

han looked up.... looked at my head and saw a little blood and answered.....
i'll aim for your eye next time........

that day, han became god for me

stefan verstraeten


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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 19:05:20 +0200
From: "Stefan Verstraeten" <[e-mail]>
Subject: merzbox release.........

>From: [e-mail]
>Subject: Re: merzbow label release
>
>In a message dated 7/5/99 1:29:45 AM, [e-mail]
writes:
>
><< it will be out on the extreme label
>
>www.xtr.com
>
>if you pay 500$ in advance, you will receive a double cd of unissued tracks
>by merzbow >>
>
>this was supposed to be the case if you ordered one in advance a couple of
>years ago, but they've stopped answering their e-mails for months now.

Yes i know of this problem.
During the time I was not on the zornlist.... Yves Dewulf (my belgian buddy
in crime..... hi Yves) mentioned the problems concerning the extreme label.
I have to admit it, I was quite in schock when I heard the news.... what
about the 500$ that was paid? Anyway, I contacted the labelowner on his
private email address, and he did admit that he was not responding to his
emails. Anyway he is back on track now, and apologized for being absent. He
told me he had to leave for some time because of personal reasons (whatever
that might be).

As a lot of people, I am looking forward seeing the release of that box

Best wishes

stefan


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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 13:24:21 -0400
From: "David J. Keffer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: George Lewis Rec

Somebody on this list recommended George Lewis's
"Homage to Charles Parker" last week or the week
before.  I picked this and it is, as was predicted,
just fantastic.  Whoever made the rec, thanks!

How about comments on 2 other George Lewis records:
"Changing with the Times" on New World Records
"Monads-Triple Slow Mix-Cycle" on Black Saint

David K.


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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 10:25:31 -0700
From: "Dave Egan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Han Bennik at Vancouver

> Yes, Bennik is ok in small doses. But, unfortunately, the schtick
> you saw in Vancouver is his usual "show". I've seen him two or
> three times and find what is interesting the first couple of run
> throughs, becomes vaudeville when it's done too often.
No doubt part of my delight at the show was that I had no idea what to
expect.  Aside from the schtick though, I thought the music stood well on
its own.  Plimley and Bennink are a very sympathetic pair, and Cohen
certainly kept up as well.  OK, Bennink is pretty over-the-top.  Humor
definitely has a place on stage though.  Some of the best shows I've seen
are ones where people are obviously having a lot of fun on stage.  One that
comes to mind is a Bill Frisell and Joey Baron duo from a couple of years
ago.  They were grinning and mugging at each other and pulling the (musical)
rug out from under each other all night.  For me at least it was an
exceptional show, in no small part because of the humor.  Both guys were
taking chances that enriched the music tremendously.

> BTW what happend to Plimley's other trio? He was supposed to
> play in Vancouver with William Parker and Gerry Hemingway?
> Was what you saw an addendum or a replacement?
Actually, Plimley played in six different groups during the run of the
festival.  I live in Seattle, and was only up there during this one show.  I
definitely plan on spending more time in Vancouver next year though.

- - Dave


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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 19:27:06 +0200
From: Yves Dewulf <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: han ..... the hit guy

> ahem, this sounds familiar:
> when he performed with clusone in ghent.... same stuff... playing so hard
> that a stick broke, went into the audience.... and the end hit me
> forehead...

  I'm glad he missed me....(I was sitting in the frontrow, and
  the stick just missed my right ear!)...or maybe not so glad,
  it must be a beautiful piercing you're having!
  What a way to impress your friends.

  By the way, Bennink is also making little artworks with the remnants
  of his demolished drum-skins and sticks, and he has a lot of them.

  YVes



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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 10:30:15 -0700
From: "Dave Egan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Ponga (w/ Horvitz & Previte)

I'd certainly second your recommendation of the Ponga CD.  Very sharp.

Definitely in the rumor category, I heard that there might be a west coast
tour this fall.  I'll keep my ears bent for details.

- - Dave


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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 13:36:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: William York <[e-mail]>
Subject: Lounge Lizards

> > where should one start with John Lurie/Lounge Lizards?
>
> The first album, self-titled. An amazing blend of arrangement and
> improvisation.

I agree.  I've listened to this about 100 times in the last year, although
I actually just have a tape copy.  Is this still officially in print on
CD?  Alos, its worth pointing out that they've changed a lot from the
first one (1981?) where they were a five piece and mostly doing
head-solos-head stuff, to the recent 9 (?) piece group which uses more
elaborate arrangements (see "Queen of all Ears").

WY


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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 13:49:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: William York <[e-mail]>
Subject: Merzbow, Dumitrescu

> I'm not a huge Merzbow fan, although I know plenty of them, but there's a
> very common misconception that all his discs sound the same, a wall of
> largely undifferentiated noise. this is true for a lot of them, granted,but
> there are some that are pretty great electroacoustic music. the ones I'd
> suggest are the two volumes of Music For Bondage Performance (Extreme) and
> The Prosperity Of Vice, The Misfortune Of Virtue (Che), which is under the
> name Masami Akita.

I've been meaning to ask about this, because I recently heard some of his
from 1985-6 (something with a long title, starting with the letter 'B'),
and it was surprisingly un-extreme.  In the liner notes he called it 'fake
electro-acoustic music', I think, dedicated to the INA-GRM, Wergo, and
(some other that I'm forgetting) labels.  Very different than _1930_ on
Tzadik, which is much more relentless and brutal, yet still not
undifferentiated.  What about the _Rainbow Electronics_ CD?  I've heard
that this is a good one but noticed that there are two different versions
of it.

While I'm at it, can anyone who has heard Iancu Dumitrescu's "Pierres
Sacrees" tell me if there is anything similar in either his or anyone
else's work?  Specifically, it's the distortion sound that I'm interested
in - I've never heard anything like it.  I've heard two other CDs of his
(Medium III and another that's split with Ana Maria Avram) and haven't
heard anything in this vein.

Thanks,

WY



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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 19:54:16 +0200
From: "Artur Nowak" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Anthony Coleman live in Cracow

Hi Philozorners!

A week ago I was lucky to see Antony Coleman's Sephardic Tinge performing
live in Cracow at the 9th Jewish Art Festival. The show was almost 2 hours
long and ended with three encores. Anthony played piano (for those of you
who heard none of his two Tzadik records) with Ben Street (bass), who was
late because his missed the flight to Cracow and Michael Sarin (drums), who
had surgery a week ago - now you know what I mean saying "I was lucky"  ;-)

The played sephardic tunes mostly, and Anthony mixed them with latin rhythms
and samba, cha-cha or mambo elements. Jazz was only a platform for free
inprovisation and movement between different influences. His playing was
very rytmic, practicly, he is using the piano as multiple percussive
instrumets (if you think of the hammers in it, piano almost is a percussive
instrument) hitting fast very near or the same notes. It reminded me of a
mentally ill person who spends hours making tremolos with fingers on the
table. This was very "scary" element in Anthony's playing. Most of the
melodies he played were just beautifull, very harmonic, and this "banging on
the piano" was a kind of counterweight for the melodies. Because there was
not much space left for the drum patterns Michael was playing different
percussive instruments, practicly making noisy textures, not rythms.
Sometimes he used one instrument just for one sound. It was far away from
his playing with Dave Douglas in the string project. Some moments were very
quiet, you could hardly hear the instruments (and one f$%# photographer was
making pictures), some moments very loud, when Anthony fell into a kind of
"trance" at the keyboard. He also played by picking the strings inside of
the piano, but to my suprose, he played melodies, to the usual noise like
some other "avant" piano players.

Coleman was in a good mood, drinking somethin between the tunes and telling
funny stories like "when I was in ex-Yugoslavia with my ex-wife..." and
jewish jokes. He wanted to say more, or even stop playing and concentrate on
the dialog with the audience. I met Anthony once again on Wednesday during
the intermission before Michael Alpert's performance, he was very nice,
talking to almost everybody who met him there. I can say that he is a very
interresting person, not only very original musician.

    __________________________________________________________________
    Artur Nowak [arno AT emd.pl]
    www.emd.pl - Discography of Bill Frisell


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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 11:35:51 -0700
From: s~Z <[e-mail]>
Subject: [Fwd: [Fwd: URGENT/SY GEAR STOLEN! --> please forward!]]

[e-mail] wrote:

> >
> >>Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 22:05:58 -0700
> >>From: bofus? <[e-mail]>
> >>Organization: http://hootpage.com
> >>MIME-Version: 1.0
> >>To: [e-mail]
> >>Subject: URGENT/SY GEAR STOLEN! --> please forward!
> >>
> >>[e-mail] wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  URGENT/SY GEAR STOLEN!
> >>>
> >>>  july 4 1999 LA/Orange County
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  Hello all, this is Lee from Sonic Youth
> >>>  here, we have had a fucked up situation
> >>>  come down on us over this last night--a
> >>>  brand new Ryder truck parked at a Ramada
> >>>  Inn in Orange County with ALL OF OUR GEAR
> >>>  IN IT was STOLEN! All of our guitars,
> >>>  tools, amplifiers, drums, synth --
> >>>  EVERYTHING. We are fucked, both for the
> >>>  show tonight at the "This Ain't No Picnic"
> >>>  here in Orange Co., and for shows upcoming
> >>>  this week in Austin and Santa Fe. Our
> >>>  guitars are all mostly older and either
> >>>  very modified and/or fucked up/beat up.
> >>>  They are unmistakably ours, as are some of
> >>>  the amps, including my own 60s Fender
> >>>  Concert with the red/blue/yellow "Jasper
> >>>  Johns-style" target on it.
> >>>
> >>>  We are asking ANYONE with ANY INFORMATION
> >>>  about this to get in touch with us as soon
> >>>  as possible by calling our man Aaron
> >>>  Blitzstein in New York City at
> >>>  212.343.2314, or via email to
> >>>  "[e-mail]". Call collect if you
> >>>  want to. Please no pranks, all, this is
> >>>  really serious--all the gear we've used to
> >>>  write our last few LPs worth of stuff,
> >>>  instruments used for songs old and new
> >>>  which if truly lost will mean those songs
> >>>  will be lost forever.
> >>>
> >>>  Help us out if you can, there will be a
> >>>  reward for any info, I'm sure. All our road
> >>>  cases, etc, are fully marked up with our
> >>>  name on them, the gtrs are so unusual that
> >>>  they won't really be too hard to mistake.
> >>>  ANY info at all will be appreciated.
> >>>
> >>>  If the thieves themselves read this, I'm
> >>>  sure we'd rather buy the stuff back from
> >>>  you than lose it forever (you fukkerz).
> >>>
> >>>  here are some descriptions of gear:
> >>>
> >>>  drums: green satin flame 60s Gretch kit (w
> >>>  "paisley" glow in dark kik head
> >>>
> >>>  Fender ToneMaster head and 4x12 cabinet
> >>>
> >>>  Fender blackface Concert (4x10) w "Target
> >>>  design" spraypainted on front
> >>>
> >>>  PeeVey RoadMaster Head
> >>>
> >>>  Marshal 4x12 cab
> >>>
> >>>  Mesa Boogie 400+ bass head/4x10 cab/18" cab
> >>>
> >>>  Fender Bassman head (two!)/ 2x12 fender cab
> >>>
> >>>  Fender presicion Bass
> >>>
> >>>  Gibson Les Paul Jr w snoopy sticker
> >>>
> >>>  Fender Jazzmasters and Jaguars--lots of
> >>>  'em, mostly modified to hell (orig
> >>>  electronix pulled, diff p/u's etc) and
> >>>  usually way beat up.
> >>>
> >>>  Travis Beans--1 koa wood, one red beat to
> >>>  shit
> >>>
> >>>  White roadcase/briefcase full of gtr tools
> >>>
> >>>  we will post more equip info later...
> >>>  thanks in advance for any help...
> >>>
> >>>  PLEASE PASS THIS LIST ON TO ANYONE WHO
> >>>  MIGHT BE OF HELP!
> >>>
> >>>  ---Lee/Sonic Youth
> >>>

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