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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #696
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Zorn List Digest Sunday, July 4 1999 Volume 02 : Number 696
In this issue:
-
Prelapse and Horvitz
Witches & Devils reissue
anaother cecil taylor review
Re: Prelapse and Horvitz
Re: Young's Well Tuned Piano (harmonic? intonation tuning?)
Re: Merzbow
White Noise update
note to nyers
Re: Merzbow
Re: Prelapse and Horvitz
re: steve smith digest #663
I am so sorry...
Re: Young's Well Tuned Piano
ken vandermark
some downtowners go pop
<no subject>
Re: Record collections/Reviewing
Re: Bennik/Bailey
Re[2]: Bennik/Bailey
Han Bennik at Vancouver
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Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 23:27:50 CDT
From: * % <nonintention@hotmail.com>
Subject: Prelapse and Horvitz
2 questions for anyone:
1)what is Prelapse? Who is in it? etc etc.
2)what happened to Horvitz? i've heard a few of his compositions and i
like "With the Hammer Down" enough to be interested in more. what else
does he have of his own stuff? and who else has he played with besides
Zorn/Naked City?
-samuel yrui
Hose Felix wrote:
Zorn-Yes, with the seven albums of Naked City we explored what we
>could
> > and made a great deal of progress. But it's like getting to the
> > terminus: arriving at
> > a place that you cannot go beyond. I started listening to other
>kinds of
> > music and
> > saw that there was no reason to go on working with these
>musicians.
>How
> > many years of working together were they? Six, seven, I don't
>know
><SNIP>
>
>I'm just sad that I never got to see Naked City play live. They must have
>been really awesome! Oh well, I can only hope that Prelapse will tour
>Europe
>sometime, and maybe, just maybe, come to this little country.
>Speaking of Prelapse (and TO them), will their debut be distributed in
>Europe?
>
>FΘlix
>
>
>-
>
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Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 00:47:23 -0400
From: Lang Thompson <wlt4@mindspring.com>
Subject: Witches & Devils reissue
I saw an upgraded (to 24-bit if I remember correctly) reissue of Ayler's
"Witches & Devils," my favorite of his if only because it was my first.
Has anybody heard this & can tell if the sound is indeed any better than
the Freedom CD (which I never bought).
Thanks, LT
- ----------------------------------------------
Lang Thompson
http://www.tcf.ua.edu/wlt4
World Cinema Review
http://www.tcf.ua.edu/wlt4/wcr.htm
- -
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Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 09:52:27 +0200
From: "Stefan Verstraeten" <stefan.annik@planetinternet.be>
Subject: anaother cecil taylor review
>From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
>Subject: Cecil Taylor at 70
>Other voices?
Yes indeed,
a few months ago, Cecil Taylor performed here in antwerp with gerry
hemimgway. It was a really good show: first it had a solo set by
hemimgway... marvellous, he did everything from accoustic playing to working
with his sound signal processor (same working process that AUBE does, you
know). Then it had a very dense solo performance by cecil.
There was a break..... quite some people left (now you understand the word
'dense playing') but those who stayed.... whow, a good duo performace
But as far as i know, this was the only duo performance of them, and it
never made it to record, or am I incorrect???????
Best wishes
stefan
NP Gary Smith: Forgotten room with chairs
- -
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Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 08:04:34 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Subject: Re: Prelapse and Horvitz
At 11:27 PM 7/3/99 CDT, * % wrote:
>
>what happened to Horvitz? i've heard a few of his compositions and i
>like "With the Hammer Down" enough to be interested in more. what else
>does he have of his own stuff? and who else has he played with besides
>Zorn/Naked City?
His current group is Zony Mash. Other groups with which he has been
involved include Pigpen and the President (the latter was pre-NC, I think).
I'm not familiar with Zony Mash, but Pigpen and President fall into a sort
of jazz-rock axis, a good deal lighter than NC. He lives and works in the
Seattle area.
Patrice maintains a discography at
http://www.nwu.edu/jazz/artists/horvitz.wayne/discog.html, which will give
you all the information you could possibly need.
- --
Caleb Deupree
cdeupree@erinet.com
It is pretty obvious that the debasement of the human mind caused by a
constant flow of fraudulent advertising is no trivial thing. There is more
than one way to conquer a country.
- -- Raymond Chandler
- -
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Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 08:09:09 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Subject: Re: Young's Well Tuned Piano (harmonic? intonation tuning?)
At 10:59 PM 7/3/99 CDT, * % wrote:
> could you or anyone else either explain to me the technicalities of this
>harmonic series (which i don't think i've ever heard of.) because i'm
>studying intensely in so called "atonality" and also microtonality. oh...
>i'm sorry but... intonation tuning? please try to explain this to me.
There's a good site at
http://www-math.cudenver.edu:80/~jstarret/microtone.html which should
answer all your questions (it's not responding at this moment, but I hope
that's a temporary situation). It has technical explanations and examples.
But a short answer is that the current 12-tone scale (aka equal
temperament) is based on the requirements of keyboard players (where the
keyboard is divided into 12 equal steps), but a more correct (or just)
intonation would follow the mathematical requirements more closely.
Following from this premise, you can divide the octave up into as many
steps as you want. The maverick American composer Harry Partch, for
example, divided the octave into 43 steps, and built his own instruments to
play his music.
- --
Caleb Deupree
cdeupree@erinet.com
It is pretty obvious that the debasement of the human mind caused by a
constant flow of fraudulent advertising is no trivial thing. There is more
than one way to conquer a country.
- -- Raymond Chandler
- -
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Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 08:48:48 EDT
From: TWHY666@aol.com
Subject: Re: Merzbow
50 CD boxset the price is $500 I believe. Merzbow - 1930 is great! Mike
Patton & Masami Akita (Merzbow) will be releasing a project group Maldoror -
She in September.
- -
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Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 16:27:48 +0100
From: "Scott" <scott@burntweeny.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: White Noise update
White Noise, Scotland's experimental music listings and reviews site has
just been updated featuring reviews of Beta Band and Dig Block 454 together
with a bunch of other stuff. More updates to follow later this week so keep
checking.
Thanks
Scott Russell
White Noise
For experimental events in Scotland
http://www.burntweeny.freeserve.co.uk
- -
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Date: Sun, 04 Jul 99 12:30:16 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: note to nyers
If you didn't know already, and i just discovered this yesterday, both manhattan
tower stores are selling everything priced up to $21.99 for $13.99. Sale ends
Monday. This means imports too. I picked up some HatArt, Avant and DIW titles,
also Jap AACM rereleases.
As for Ayler recs, the complete live in greenwich village is excellent -- a
diverse selection, even if it doesn't really represent his whole, sadly short,
career. And Cecil, the Han Benink duet on FMP previously mentioned I think will
say more about what Cecil's doing -- humor, thunder and minutia than any others
I've heard.
- -
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Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 11:47:39 CDT
From: * % <nonintention@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Merzbow
and what record label will they be releasing this on?
-samuel yrui
>50 CD boxset the price is $500 I believe. Merzbow - 1930 is great! Mike
>Patton & Masami Akita (Merzbow) will be releasing a project group Maldoror
>-
>She in September.
>
>-
>
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- -
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Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 10:33:43 -0500
From: Diego Gruber <dgruber@uio.satnet.net>
Subject: Re: Prelapse and Horvitz
As for Horvitz, i recommend you visit Zony Mash's website,
www.zonymash.com, they have some really cool mp3s from live
performances, and these are always rotating. I think Zony Mash is a
great band, Wayne's sound is just so clear.
D
> >what happened to Horvitz? i've heard a few of his compositions and i
> >like "With the Hammer Down" enough to be interested in more. what else
> >does he have of his own stuff? and who else has he played with besides
> >Zorn/Naked City?
>
> His current group is Zony Mash. Other groups with which he has been
> involved include Pigpen and the President (the latter was pre-NC, I think).
> I'm not familiar with Zony Mash, but Pigpen and President fall into a sort
> of jazz-rock axis, a good deal lighter than NC. He lives and works in the
> Seattle area.
>
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 99 12:05:43 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: re: steve smith digest #663
what laswell list? how do i subscribe?
- -
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:03:25 -0400
From: Rick Lopez <bb10k@velocity.net>
Subject: I am so sorry...
...but, my iMac, into which I had stuffed a few incompatible extensions,
crashed *loud* and wiped my hard-drive. Lost about 30 unanswered
e-mails-- questions, answers, trader biz, assistance, info, etcetera...
Other things too, but I won't burden you.
And so you must forgive the cross-posting, I hope.
Could anyone out there who retained copies of their last e-mails to me
please re-send? Or if you're waiting for a response that hasn't come
just update me me on where the hell we were?
I do appreciate it.
Thanks for your patience,
Rick Lopez
- ------------------------
Marilyn Crispell, Susie Ibarra, William Parker, Sam Rivers, Matthew
Shipp, David S. Ware, and Reggie Workman Discographies--Samuel Beckett
Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops--LOVETORN--HARD
BOIL--etc., at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k
***Very Various Music For Sale:
***http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/4SALE.html
- -
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Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 14:25:41 -0400
From: David Beardsley <xouoxno@virtulink.com>
Subject: Re: Young's Well Tuned Piano
"Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com> wrote:
> At 11:57 AM 7/3/99 CDT, * % wrote:
> >question: what is the basic idea or concept behind Young's well tuned piano?
> > there's is a library near me that has it. all five cds. anyone want to
> >tell me about it?
>
> There was a big article about him in the Wire several months ago, where
> they mentioned that he tunes the piano for the performance space, so that
> each performance can have a different tuning. He requires a guaranteed
> commitment of a certain number of concerts in order to make it worth while.
> If your library has the CDs, they may have back issues of the Wire, and
> the article is very interesting.
No, each performance has the same tuning, although he's changed
the tuning twice. In 1973 and 1981 he changed a few notes of
the tuning.
He does require a performance space with:
One month for tuning and letting the piano sit to stabilize the tuning,
One month for practice and
One month for performances.
He told me that on the day after a performance, he doesn't even get out
of bed!
* % <nonintention@hotmail.com> aka samuel yrui writes:
> Thanks Dave,
> could you or anyone else either explain to me the technicalities of this
> harmonic series (which i don't think i've ever heard of.) because i'm
> studying intensely in so called "atonality" and also microtonality. oh...
> i'm sorry but... intonation tuning? please try to explain this to me.
For a definition: http://www.dnai.com/~jinetwk/whatisji.html
For more information: http://www.dnai.com/~jinetwk/
To hear some microtonal music, I do a live net cast
every Sunday, 11am-1pm EDST here:
http://www.eroplay.com/luver/luver.html
The play lists & real audio archives here:
http://www.virtulink.com/immp/jux/j_index.htm#events
Check out part one of the June 13, 1999 show, I played
disc 5 of the Well Tuned Piano.
- --
* D a v i d B e a r d s l e y
* xouoxno@virtulink.com
*
* J u x t a p o s i t i o n E z i n e
* M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor
*
* http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 99 15:40:44 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: ken vandermark
i was a little surprised to read here a couple weeks ago the kv won the
macarthur "genius" grant. i've always liked him, but having lived in chicago
(about 6 yrs ago) i couldn't help thinking about more deserving players back
there that should get the prize: ed wilkerson, ernest dawkins, kahil el'zabar...
i'm not going to get into comparisons, but i just got "simpatico" on atavistic
from last year, and kv is fully deserving. it's an amazing disc. strong, rockin,
swingin. he's truly found his voice since i used to see him at lounge ax in the
early 90s. "blow horn" on okkadisc is also great, but not as varied.
somebody here mentioned that this was the 2d macarthur to go to a jazz
performer, but i forgot who it was.
john sayles won a macarthur several years back. now in interviews he refers to
the time "back when i was a genius."
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 21:57:41 +0200
From: "Stefan Verstraeten" <stefan.annik@planetinternet.be>
Subject: some downtowners go pop
Dear all,
Yesterday i picked up an amazing rock record that might be interesting to a
lot of people on this list... believe it or not.
The album is by Jeremy Toback (i believe he is the bass player in a band
called Brad) and the album is called Perfect Flux Thing.
Why is it amazing??? Well just check out the backing-band he is playing
with: Melvin Gibs on bass, Dogie Bowne on drums (so this is probably one of
his latest albums where he plays drums and not drummachines), David Torn on
guitar and Cyro Baptista on percussion. CAN YOU BELIEVE SUCH A THING?????
What the album sounds like: definitely not jazz and thank god, no grunge as
well.. It is an album in the best singer songwriter tradition... quiet,
beautifully arranged songs.
I still have one question... why does this guy have such a great backing
band.... is he somehow downtown connected, and did this band ever performed
live????
I'd like to find out
Best wishes
stefan
- -
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Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 18:03:59 -0400
From: "Rick Lopez" <bb10k@velocity.net>
Subject: <no subject>
Working on the Willi'm Parker discog-- can anyone date the Prima Materia:
Peace on Earth (music of John Coltrane) session at the Knit for me?
Nothing on the disc, the bastards.
Thanks,
RL
Oh, and btw, this is the list of lists, isn't it? And-- good to have you
back, Steve.
- ------------------------
Marilyn Crispell, Susie Ibarra, William Parker, Sam Rivers, Matthew Shipp,
David S. Ware, and Reggie Workman Discographies--Samuel Beckett
Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops--LOVETORN--HARD BOIL--etc.,
at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k
***Very Various Music For Sale:
***http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/4SALE.html
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 18:14:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Record collections/Reviewing
I'm even older than Martin and dabbled in the voodoo of album reviewing
for 20-odd years, besides my regular editing/writing jobs, but
had to give it up for a couple of reasons.
1)Your idea of what is a worthwhile record to review usually differs from
the publication wants and what the record company is pushing. Thus you
end up writing about stuff you really wouldn't want to listen to some
(often, most) of the time and have to wade through acres of second rate
sessions all the time.
2)More seriously, I couldn't "just write about stuff I liked", which Martin
said he did. To me that may add to your record collection, by not pissing
off your record company source, but it's a disservice to your readers. If
averything is an unqualified rave (like the work of certain reviewers),
than everything is suspect because *no one* maks masterpieces every time
out. Sometimes, in fact, arists you like create a session that isn't
that good. To refrain from warning people abouit it (as well as other,
lesser efforts) you've sentencing them to spend their hard-earned cash on
something that isn't worth it.
On a more positive note and talking about something that is good. Sabir
Matten gave a monsyer performance here in Toronto last night when he
sat in for a set with local improv (Toronto) band Spiritual Alignment.
Using all of his horns (alto, tenor, clarinet and flute) and even scat
singing a bit, Sabir was "out there" and ferocious from the word go,
weaving and "dovening" as he played. He spurred the band, to
greater efforts, especially
leader Mark Hundevad whose vibes and drum work has rarely been more incisive.
Those in Toronto can even see them again tonight at All Sass Lorraine at
29 Stafford St. (near King and Strauchan) at 10 p.m.
Ken Waxman
- -
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Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 18:32:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Bennik/Bailey
Talking about Han and derek B. anyone have a strong opinion pro or con
about their dup CD on Incus, han?
ken waxman
- -
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Date: Sun, 04 Jul 99 18:40:38 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: Re[2]: Bennik/Bailey
han, derek and cecil are all of a common stripe for me, and one that's hard for
me to put a finger on. i think they all have languages so unique and personal
that, as a listener, one performance can bring you nearly to tears and the next
leave you cold. i'll take the brunt and say sometimes i don't get it (rather
than sometimes they don't do it). and the distinction is even stronger on
record. that said, the han and derek duo disc didn't really speak to me. if
you're looking for some new derek plastic, rush out and get the duet with joelle
leandre that came out last year (sorry i don't have title/label info with me at
work). beauty.
________________
- -
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Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 15:59:17 -0700
From: "Dave Egan" <degan1@telisphere.com>
Subject: Han Bennik at Vancouver
Speaking of Han Bennick, I had the treat of seeing him yesterday at the
DuMaurier Jazz Festival in Vancouver. I hadn't seen or heard of him before,
so it was definitely a delightful treat. In fact, I'd say it was the
highlight of my weekend up there. The group was Paul Plimley, a pianist
from Vancouver, Greg Cohen on bass and Han, playing drums and uh, objects.
Han is Dutch, and maybe 50, and I heard someone refer to him as an elf. I
was thinking of him as more like a mountain goat though, with a crew cut,
big floppy hiking shorts and vibram-soled boots. At the beginning of the
set, he leapt onto the stage, landed cross-legged in the front, and played a
piece of cardboard, his shoes and the stage with his sticks. Later in the
set, he was playing the drums and juggling a towel at the same time. I
think he also could have cooked an egg on his forehead at the same time, had
there been one available. He certainly looks fit, and I know where he gets
his workouts. Unfortunately, I'm not a reviewer, so I don't really have
words to describe the music. I can tell you though that it was as fun and
exciting to listen to as it was to watch. Certainly a worthwhile listen.
Plimley plays in kind of a Cecil Taylor vein, but a little more accessible,
as he sprinkles in a lot of quotes. Han was a great match for Paul's style,
as he played lots of cluster-rhythyms as well. It WAS an exciting show! At
one point, Han broke one of his sticks. He was playing so hard that one
piece of the stick flew out into the audience and hit someone in the row in
front of us. I mean, like a line drive to her forehead! Han leapt off the
stage and into the audience to see if she was OK, which fortunately she was.
A small child was frightened by this, and had to leave, but I certainly had
more fun at the show than I've had in quite a while.
In a little over 24 hours, I saw the above show, Charlie Hunter, Zony Mash
and Dave Douglas. Quite a weekend, and I can't wait for next year. Viva
Vancouver!
- - Dave
- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Ken Waxman
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 1999 3:33 PM
To: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Cc: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: Bennik/Bailey
Talking about Han and derek B. anyone have a strong opinion pro or con
about their dup CD on Incus, han?
ken waxman
- -
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