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Zorn List Digest Saturday, July 3 1999 Volume 02 : Number 695
In this issue:
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Re: New derek bailey reissue
Re: Cecil Taylor Primer (long)
Re: Young's Well Tuned Piano
Re: Cecil Taylor Primer (long)
Re: Cecil Taylor at 70
Record collections
Zorn Q&A and Prelapse
previte again
Re: Young's Well Tuned Piano
Re: Cecil Taylor at 70
Digest Catch Up
Re: Young's Well Tuned Piano (harmonic? intonation tuning?)
Steve said: Antioch
Prelapse and Horvitz
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Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 14:24:12 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: New derek bailey reissue
Stefan Verstraeten wrote:
> Anyway, i recently purchased a new record by derek bailey on the emanem
> label.
The CD you describe is the one titled _Fairly Early with Postscripts_, right?
Recommendation seconded.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - Metallica, "Helpless," _Garage, Inc._
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Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 14:38:21 -0400
From: Brian Olewnick <olewnik@idt.net>
Subject: Re: Cecil Taylor Primer (long)
Steve Smith wrote:
> SOLO TAYLOR: Solo performance has been an important part of Taylor's output since
> the early '70s, at least, and one of the earliest solo discs, _Silent Tongues_, is
> still one of the best introductions to this part of CT's ouerve. (Freedom, 1975)
> _Garden_, recorded in 1981 and reissued on CD in 1990, is widely considered CT's
> best solo recording, but can be hard to find and is available only in two separate
> volumes. (hat Art, 1990) _For Olim_ is a magnificent solo recording, CT's first
> issue after the death of Lyons, and most approachable due to the short length of
> the pieces. (Soul Note, 1987) And the recently-issued _The Tree of Life_ is also
> highly recommendable. (FMP, recorded 1991, issued 1998).
I'd only add 'Indent' (originally on Unit Core, subsequently on
Arista/Freedom) and 'Spring of Two Blue-J's' (also Unit Core, don't know
if any else has picked it up--saw a vinyl copy in Other Music last
week). The latter is one side solo (incredible!) and one quartet
(Lyons/Sirone/Cyrille--equally amazing).
The other session that's mandatory (and not just for Cecil) is his
contributions to Mantler's 'Communications' masterwork. Perhaps THE
great avant big band recording.
Brian Olewnick
- -
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Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 14:40:37 -0400
From: David Beardsley <xouoxno@virtulink.com>
Subject: Re: Young's Well Tuned Piano
* % <nonintention@hotmail.com> wrtes:
> question: what is the basic idea or concept behind Young's well tuned piano?
> there's is a library near me that has it. all five cds. anyone want to
> tell me about it?
> \ -samuel yrui
He plays a piano tuned to intervals from the harmonic
series (just intonation tuning) instead of 12 tone equal
temperament. Although La Monte is known as the father of
minimalism, the WTP isn't realy minimalism. Many themes
that he improvises on for 5 hours. The last performance
was in 1986 and lasted for more than 6 hours.
You're lucky to find it in a library, it's out of print.
I suggest making a CD-R copy because it's impossible to find
used.
I'm a big fan, I've listened to it many times. I suggest
playing it loud!
Caleb Deupree wrote:
> >Most of his earlier work was on Gramavision, a label which is now sadly
> >defunct (or swallowed up by a major, who only releases the most popular
> >items -- amounts to the same thing). I keep hoping that the current owners
> >will re-release LaMonte Young's Well Tuned Piano as well.
I don't think so. La Monte doesn't have a record contract right now.
I hope this changes in the near future.
And visit the MELA web page: http://www.virtulink.com/mela/main.htm
And visit the Dream House too - it'll be open again in the fall,
but if you're in town, give them a call and ask for them to
open it up for you (a contribution is suggested). Dream House
is right around the corner from the Knitting Factory on
Church Street. Tell 'em I sent you.
- --
* D a v i d B e a r d s l e y
* xouoxno@virtulink.com
*
* J u x t a p o s i t i o n E z i n e
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*
* http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm
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Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 14:52:26 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Cecil Taylor Primer (long)
Brian Olewnick wrote:
> 'Spring of Two Blue-J's' (also Unit Core, don't know
> if any else has picked it up--saw a vinyl copy in Other Music last
> week). The latter is one side solo (incredible!) and one quartet
> (Lyons/Sirone/Cyrille--equally amazing).
_Spring of Two Blue-Js" can be found on a presumably unauthorized CD on the Italian
label Jazz View. You can usually find it really, really cheap at the Tower Annex, even
though it's allegedly a limited edition. I don't have it... it's most likely mastered
from vinyl, I'd hazard to guess. The same label has issued the "Nuits de la Fondation
Maeght" concert with Lyons, Cyrille and Sam Rivers on three CDs.
_Indent_ is indeed fine... if I remember the anecdote correctly, it was for presenting
that concert that a young Gary Giddins got tossed off the live music presenting
committee at Antioch.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - Metallica, "Am I Evil?" _Garage, Inc._
- -
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Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 15:43:16 EDT
From: TagYrIt@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cecil Taylor at 70
In a message dated 7/3/99 1:11:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Slntwtchr@AOL.COM
writes:
<< ok, i decided it's about time to ask (even though i REALLY need to put a
hold
on buying music) : can anyone recommend me some good places to start in
regards to cecil taylor recordings? >>
I'm in a similar situation too, and would also appreciate some
insights....and maybe along with the "whats", people could include a few
"hows" as to how to approach CT's stuff.
Thanks!
Dale.
- -
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Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 13:35:02 -0700
From: Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com (Martin Wisckol)
Subject: Record collections
Initially, I thought most of the talk here about Zorn's collection was
tedious. Now, however, I find myself thinking a bit more clearly about
the various motivations I have to buy. There was a time when I would
routinely sell off anything I didn't listen to much, particularly when
I was hitting the road or leaving the country for extended periods
(needing cash and needing to minimize my possessions). One good long
time friend picked up a bunch of these -- I'm unfortunately reminded of
the error with some regularity (although glad to know they're in good
hands and are accessible). Now, I have the luxury and knowledge ...
it's not necessarily how many times they get played, but having them
when I want to hear them. I can go a year or more without listening to
Braxton, for instance, but when I get in that mood, I greatly enjoy
each of the 20 or so I have of him.
To the college student, I have to second the other respondent who
recalled the days of $1.99-$3.99 LPs. Despite inflation, $7.99 for a
used CD seems significantly more when money is slim. ... But I too have
gotten a lot of free music, some great stuff among it and some crap
that got traded into the used shop for what I want but couldn't hustle
for free. If you don't have much money and are really into the music,
here's my advice: Start writing about music, particularly CD reviews.
Write up some reviews of recent albums you have and take them to the
college paper. They probably won't pay you, but if you're friendly and
you write to their format and the reviews are readable and not stuff
they're already reviewing, they'll probably print them at least
occasionally. They may start passing demo copies your way -- but more
importantly, with a couple of reviews in print, you can start
contacting the PR people at record companies yourself and requesting
promo copies. The bigger ones can be extremely generous, particularly
if you're reviewing regularly and regularly sending them copies of what
you're writing (my strategy is pretty much only to review things I
like, I won't get in to that philosphy now though). There have been
times when CBS (jazz) and ECM and Blue Note were sending me everything
they released. Man, that was great. Others, you'll have to request
specific CDs and get a feel for how generous they'll be. Some of my
favorite labels -- Hat and Black Saint particularly -- I've never been
able to get promo copies from....
The college paper is usually the easiest way to get in print, but other
local publications are also worth a try if they have record reviews. My
strategy is to have some samples in hand, be friendly and persistent
and act like a responsible and reliable person. Another option is a
e-zine -- lots of them run reviews, although record companies are
sometimes reluctant since a lot of sites don't get much exposure (this
has been my source for the last couple of years, altho the site is
apparently going down for the count now). Feel free to contact me off
list if you have other questions. I'm a political journalist, but try
to keep a mostly avocational hand in the music writing arena.
All that said, I am 42 and have a mere 2,500 or so albums on vinyl, CD
and tape. I've probably sold near to 1,000 more. I could go online
right now a find 2,500 more I'd like at the drop of a hat, but I feel
that even at my current rate I'm on the frontier of being too
comsumption-oriented. If I could never buy another recording, I could
be happy the rest of my life with what I have. There is so much music
in my collection yet to be fully digested. I remember with some
fondness being a youngster with 10 or 15 albums and knowing every note
on every one! That is extremely rare for me these days. Although I am
in the information business, I don't believe that more information
necessarily enriches your life. It's what you do with it, and there's a
point of diminishing returns. On the other hand, learning about music
and what's going on in music is a very satisfying hobby, and
necessitates a certain measure of consumerism, particularly given the
sad state of radio in most of the US.
Martin
np: Raul Planas "Te invito un momento"
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 23:31:16 +0200
From: "Jose Felix" <jonasfel@mail.telepac.pt>
Subject: Zorn Q&A and Prelapse
> Zorn-Yes, with the seven albums of Naked City we explored what we
could
> and made a great deal of progress. But it's like getting to the
> terminus: arriving at
> a place that you cannot go beyond. I started listening to other
kinds of
> music and
> saw that there was no reason to go on working with these musicians.
How
> many years of working together were they? Six, seven, I don't know
<SNIP>
I'm just sad that I never got to see Naked City play live. They must have
been really awesome! Oh well, I can only hope that Prelapse will tour Europe
sometime, and maybe, just maybe, come to this little country.
Speaking of Prelapse (and TO them), will their debut be distributed in
Europe?
FΘlix
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 18:54:48 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Subject: previte again
After perusing the Previte area of my shelves, I see his album on Avant,
Slay the Suitors, with his 'rock' band Empty Suits. Although I prefer the
Gramavision Empty Suits album, this one is still available (although
perhaps not from cdnow, try the Downtown Music Gallery) and worth hearing.
- --
Caleb Deupree
cdeupree@erinet.com
It is pretty obvious that the debasement of the human mind caused by a
constant flow of fraudulent advertising is no trivial thing. There is more
than one way to conquer a country.
- -- Raymond Chandler
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 18:59:33 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Subject: Re: Young's Well Tuned Piano
At 11:57 AM 7/3/99 CDT, * % wrote:
>question: what is the basic idea or concept behind Young's well tuned piano?
> there's is a library near me that has it. all five cds. anyone want to
>tell me about it?
There was a big article about him in the Wire several months ago, where
they mentioned that he tunes the piano for the performance space, so that
each performance can have a different tuning. He requires a guaranteed
commitment of a certain number of concerts in order to make it worth while.
If your library has the CDs, they may have back issues of the Wire, and
the article is very interesting.
And a strong second to David's recommendation to make copies of the above
mentioned disks. My local library only has the cassettes, and I no longer
have the capability to play anything in that medium.
- --
Caleb Deupree
cdeupree@erinet.com
It is pretty obvious that the debasement of the human mind caused by a
constant flow of fraudulent advertising is no trivial thing. There is more
than one way to conquer a country.
- -- Raymond Chandler
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 19:47:04 EDT
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cecil Taylor at 70
well, I don't have too much to add to what Steve and Brian have already said
about the Cecil set on Wednesday. I felt like the miking of the music was so
poor that it was hard to even judge the music because there was a lot
happening that wasn't making its way to our ears.
Steve said:
<<Lovens struck me
strongly... he's busy, inventive, and makes it all seem as effortless as
Billy Higgins and Lewis Nash do in their respective styles.>>
a dead-on comparison here, I think.
as far as Cecil not wanting to work with great horn players, it seems to me
that more and more in the last few years, Cecil has begun to subscribe to the
Sonny Rollins school of hiring inferior musicians, and then dominating them
on stage. I only saw the trio with Duval and Krall once, but this was the
strong feeling I left with, although I may have seen them on a bad night from
other reports. so, I was very glad to see that he was working with Lovens,
although the blowup in the second set on Wednesday may have put an end to
that collaboration.
the Erik M CD on Sonoris that Forced Exposure just got in is one of the best
turntablist records yet. fairly indescribable, from sampladelics to noise
sections to one piece that sounds like a godspeed you black emperor! outtake.
highly recommended.
anyone else having trouble getting much out of this new Evan Parker
Electroacoustic Ensemble record on ECM? I'm starting to think Mr. Eicher has
ruined another record.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
NP: Nuno Canavarro-Plux Quba (Moikai)
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 17:59:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Peter Risser <knucklehead000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Digest Catch Up
Stop typing so damn fast y'all!
As far as building collections:
I've got almost 1000 CDs. That came from working in a Record Store for
two years in college, then being single with a decent salaried income
for a while, then working as a review, which was nifty because I got
free CDs to review, which I could keep or sell, then I took the cash I
got for the reviews and bought more CDs. A nice setup if you can get
it, but a lot of work to hustle them discs.
As for rekkids, I've been collecting Exotica type stuff for about two
years now and have recently shot my collection up from about 50 random
records (from 80's to jazz) to about 500, mostly from hitting thrift
stores and record stores that don't give a damn about vinyl anymore.
Nothing particularly Zorn-related, except the one DNA self-titled
record I found in Hicksville, Ohio.
===
As far as Stravinsky, I don't know much else by him, but Rite of Spring
kicks ass. Carl Stalling is good, but I only like him in small doses.
I can't get past the cartoons myself. Ennio Morricone has a bunch of
stuff. I'd do two things: one, get the Rhino 2-disc comp (I think),
and two, get the Zorn-Morricone tribute discs, the Big Gundown.
Excellent.
Also, I don't know much about Varese, but many people have mentioned
that there are a few double disc sets that have his entire works. You
want to make sure you have the one that has ... Crap. The
electro-acoustic piece, the name of which suddenly escapes me.
Sigh.
Peter
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Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 22:59:13 CDT
From: * % <nonintention@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Young's Well Tuned Piano (harmonic? intonation tuning?)
Thanks Dave,
could you or anyone else either explain to me the technicalities of this
harmonic series (which i don't think i've ever heard of.) because i'm
studying intensely in so called "atonality" and also microtonality. oh...
i'm sorry but... intonation tuning? please try to explain this to me.
-samuel yrui
>
>He plays a piano tuned to intervals from the harmonic
>series (just intonation tuning) instead of 12 tone equal
>temperament. Although La Monte is known as the father of
>minimalism, the WTP isn't realy minimalism. Many themes
>that he improvises on for 5 hours. The last performance
>was in 1986 and lasted for more than 6 hours.
>
>You're lucky to find it in a library, it's out of print.
>I suggest making a CD-R copy because it's impossible to find
>used.
>
>I'm a big fan, I've listened to it many times. I suggest
>playing it loud!
>
>
>--
>* D a v i d B e a r d s l e y
>* xouoxno@virtulink.com
>*
>* J u x t a p o s i t i o n E z i n e
>* M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor
>*
>* http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm
>
>-
>
>
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Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 23:24:49 CDT
From: * % <nonintention@hotmail.com>
Subject: Steve said: Antioch
i have some interest in Antioch. i was wondering if you or anyone on the
list had any info on the college as far as music goes. (jazz composition,
classical, music theory, etc.) i've read about them and had the college
counselors talk about them and all that but it's nice to get as many
opinions as possible and i'm sure some of you have gone there, have been
there or knows someone who has, whatnot... yadda yadda. i would really
appreciate it. be honest.
-samuel yrui
Steve said:
if I remember the anecdote correctly, it was for presenting
>that concert that a young Gary Giddins got tossed off the live music
>presenting
>committee at Antioch.
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Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 23:28:09 CDT
From: * % <nonintention@hotmail.com>
Subject: Prelapse and Horvitz
2 questions for anyone:
1)what is Prelapse? Who is in it? etc etc.
2)what happened to Horvitz? i've heard a few of his compositions and i
like "With the Hammer Down" enough to be interested in more. what else
does he have of his own stuff? and who else has he played with besides
Zorn/Naked City?
Hose Felix wrote:
Zorn-Yes, with the seven albums of Naked City we explored what we
>could
> > and made a great deal of progress. But it's like getting to the
> > terminus: arriving at
> > a place that you cannot go beyond. I started listening to other
>kinds of
> > music and
> > saw that there was no reason to go on working with these
>musicians.
>How
> > many years of working together were they? Six, seven, I don't
>know
><SNIP>
>
>I'm just sad that I never got to see Naked City play live. They must have
>been really awesome! Oh well, I can only hope that Prelapse will tour
>Europe
>sometime, and maybe, just maybe, come to this little country.
>Speaking of Prelapse (and TO them), will their debut be distributed in
>Europe?
>
>FΘlix
>
>
>-
>
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