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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #688
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Zorn List Digest Wednesday, June 30 1999 Volume 02 : Number 688
In this issue:
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Re: Jazz with Electronics
RE: Critters Bug Zorn in Warsaw
Re: electronics w/improv
Re: Jazz with Electronics
Re: Jazz with Electronics
ray anderson's pocket brass band
who is Billy Jenkins?
Re: Critters Bug Zorn in Warsaw
Re: Malfatti
RE: Critters Bug Zorn in Warsaw
cummings/inaba
Painkiller's Morning of Balachaturdasi
Re: Jazz with Electronics
Re: Critters Bug Zorn in Warsaw
Zorn Q&A at Tonic
Re: It's Not Just Size... + Art
krucifly
cd collections
John Coltraine etc.
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:06:25 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: Jazz with Electronics
At 08:27 PM 6/27/99 -0400, brazen stupidity wrote:
>Yesterday I went to a show by the band "erg" (from St. Petersbug, FL I
>think.) They played some nice textural pieces, but the thing that I really
>dug was their use of live electronic processing while improvising. So, does
>anyone have any recommendations for improv with live electronic processing?
If you don't mind a moment of blatant self-promotion :-)... Comma has
been doing this too of late, with Tom and Matt moving between (or
often simultaneously) sounding and processing in the course of improvs.
(I'll inevitably start doing this too at some point, but I'm enjoying
just singing and playing without also twiddling gizmos right now...)
- --
| jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/~jzitt |
| Latest Solo CD: Gentle Entropy http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt |
| Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List |
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:03:13 -0500
From: Michael Witt <mwitt@schilli.com>
Subject: RE: Critters Bug Zorn in Warsaw
Artur sed:
> I have HUGE discussion now on polish usenet with some peope, who think,
> that
> Zorn was rude and arrogrant. I was happy, that he kicked off the
> photographers and the show was fully concentrated on music. Yesterday I
> was
> i Cracow at the Jewish Art Festival to see Anthony Coleman's Sephardic
> Tinge. The show was very quiet and beautifull, but one photographer was
> behind the curtains making pictures with flashlight. I wanted to quote
> Zorn!
> When Anthony played at the edge of silence you could hear him breathing,
> but this photographer entered the stage and was making pictures of
> something
> BEHIND the stage. His camera was making louder noise thank the band was
> playing! Therefore I was glad to be the man who told Zorn how to say "fuck
> off" in polish - "spierdalac". And Zorn amazed me once again, because he
> repeated this word to the photo-guys with perfect accent! He has an
> incredible ear ;-)
>
It takes a lot more than a couple of "fuck yous" to offend me, but I'd have
to agree that Zorn's antics were more than simply rude and inappropriate:
they were transparent as nothing more than a contrived publicity stunt. It
smacked of hypocrisy. Zorn bitched out a handful of photographers when
there were no fewer than THREE men with video cameras filming the
performance ON THE STAGE, a LARGE CRANE with a video camera on an EXTENDED
BOOM that continually blocked the audience's line-of-sight, and at least
THREE OTHER video cameras being manned from the aisles! A least SEVEN video
cameras and crew members that were a hell of a lot more intrusive than a few
photographers. What a load of crap! I'm glad that Skerik took Zorn to task
for being such a phony.
I realize that it is blasphemy to say anything bad about on Zorn on this
mailing list, but that's my opinion. I have been a big fan of his music,
and I was disappointed in his behavior on Friday night. I had considered
Zorn to be the genuine article, but I guess it's not fair to hold the man up
to the same standard as his music. Looking back, many of the best jazz
musicians who made extraordinary and beautiful music were miserable human
beings.
- --Mike
- -
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:15:31 EDT
From: XRedbirdxx@aol.com
Subject: Re: electronics w/improv
In a message dated 6/29/99 9:16:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes:
<< So, does
>anyone have any recommendations for improv with live electronic processing?
>>
The sax player for the COBRA Ensemble - Cincinnati, Mike Barnhart,
occassionally puts down his axe and does electronic processing on his laptop
of other players in the group. It's fascinating to witness. He's officially a
composer, so he has all these sophisticated sound processing programs. But
god damn he is a hot player too. Gets all the sounds Zorn makes and more, and
says he doesn't even listen to him. I especially love it when he ventures of
into some eastern tonality during an improv. Check him (them) out if ya can.
- -Joseph
- -
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:12:45 -0400
From: john petrie <jpetrie@mail.vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Jazz with Electronics
One of the most successful meetings of jazz and electronics (in my opinion)
is George Lewis' "Homage to Charles Parker." The last track contains some
of the most beautiful moments in all of jazz. Lewis has done other projects
with electronics. He has a cd on Avant called "Voyager," which is an
improvising computer program. I wasn't that into this record until I saw
Lewis perform with the computer live. Really interesting stuff...
john
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:57:28 EDT
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: Jazz with Electronics
In a message dated 6/29/99 6:18:57 AM, cdeupree@erinet.com writes:
<< BTW, anyone heard Polwechsel 2? Comments?>>
yeah, it's pretty great. John Butcher replaces Radu Malfatti, which I was a
little nervous about, but he fits in beautifully. there are no electronics on
the first Polwechsel record, but Werner Dafeldecker plays them along with
bass on this one. I thought it was a really nice mixture of jazz and
electronics, roughly equivalent to the jazz version of Radian. it'll turn up
on my favorites of 1998 list.
also, while I'm kind of on the topic, I just heard Radu Malfatti's solo
record on Edition Wandelweiser for the first time. it was way better than I
expected. one 33 minute solo trombone piece, with lots of silences mixed in,
and one 33 minute piece composed by Malfatti for string quartet, which is
much more abstract than I had expected. one of the more satisfying things
I've heard lately, and only $11.99 at Anomalous.
Jon
- -
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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 01:18:38 +1000
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: ray anderson's pocket brass band
Does anyone know anything about this group? They're listed to play here
(Sydney) next month and Bobby Previte and Jack Walrath are also mentioned
as players.
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:39:40 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: who is Billy Jenkins?
In the intro of the PENGUIN JAZZ GUIDE, this musician is mentioned
next to Derek Bailey. Although the guide lists a few records by this artist,
I was puzzled to see this name for the first time (maybe an indication that I
should go out more often). Does anybody on the list know this musician and
have recommendation?
Thanks,
Patrice.
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 17:39:25 +0200
From: patRice <gda@datacomm.ch>
Subject: Re: Critters Bug Zorn in Warsaw
hi there!
i can't comment on the show in poland, because i wasn't there.
but i do think i'd rather have video cameras running than photo cameras
clicking. i have also always been glad when zorn told the photographers
to fuck off. they always annoy me, too.
> I realize that it is blasphemy to say anything bad about on Zorn on this
> mailing list, but that's my opinion.
don't worry about your opinion. and i really disagree that badmouthing
zorn is considered blasphemy on this list.
> I had considered
> Zorn to be the genuine article, but I guess it's not fair to hold the man up
> to the same standard as his music. Looking back, many of the best jazz
> musicians who made extraordinary and beautiful music were miserable human
> beings.
you wouldn't do zorn justice here. i've had the great pleasure of
meeting him after a gig, and he was one of the most gentle people i've
ever met.
lots of people had told me he seemed like an arrogant wanker to them, so
i felt a bit insecure about approaching him. but he was really very
nice, laidback and talkative.
well, ... this is my opinion.
patRice
- -
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:24:10 -0400
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@ctech.smtc.net>
Subject: Re: Malfatti
JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote:
> also, while I'm kind of on the topic, I just heard Radu Malfatti's solo
> record on Edition Wandelweiser for the first time. it was way better than I
> expected. one 33 minute solo trombone piece, with lots of silences mixed in,
> and one 33 minute piece composed by Malfatti for string quartet, which is
> much more abstract than I had expected. one of the more satisfying things
> I've heard lately, and only $11.99 at Anomalous.
Yep! I was really impressed by this one too. And since there was discussion on
interesting improv big bands, I would also recommend Malfatti's 'Ohrkiste' disc
on ITM Classics. It consists of two long compositions with lots of improv
featuring John Butcher, Melvyn Poore, Fred Van Hove, Phil Wachsmann and many
others. Much more "avant-classical" sounding than the jazzier LJCO or Globe Unity
and really good. I recently found a copy of Malfatti's 'Humanimal' LP on hatHut
from '79 with Jerry Chardonnes and Leon Francioli, and it's super too. Malfatti
is definitely deserving of much more attention, imo.
-Tom Pratt
- -
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:57:52 +0200
From: "Artur Nowak" <arno@silesia.top.pl>
Subject: RE: Critters Bug Zorn in Warsaw
> It takes a lot more than a couple of "fuck yous" to offend me,
> but I'd have
> to agree that Zorn's antics were more than simply rude and inappropriate:
> they were transparent as nothing more than a contrived publicity
> stunt. It smacked of hypocrisy.
I remember that the whole issue of photographs during live shows was already
discussed here, but anyway:
1. photographers make pictures for themselves, or music magazines, not for
me.
2. the TV was recording the whole event and I could see it again yesterday.
3. Photographers make noise, move around the stage.
4. The TV crew was almost invisible, cameramans weren't moving at all. Only
the "arm" with the camera was moving in the front or - mostly - above the
musicians.
5. TV was recording not only the picture, but the music also - simple, but
true.
6. Therefore you will have CDR copies of the whole show, and some of you may
already have it on the way (not from me)
On the other hand, you are right, I saw few other artists making themselves
clear about the photographers, without using any of Zorn's words. He could
say it with other words.
It's interresting, that despite of what I wrote about the music in the first
mail, the issue of "f-o" word is the most discussed ;-)
Regards
__________________________________________________________________
Artur Nowak [arno AT emd.pl]
www.emd.pl - Discography of Bill Frisell
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:22:53 -0400
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@ctech.smtc.net>
Subject: cummings/inaba
Anyone know how I might contact Alan Cummings?
I'm trying to find a copy of Shuji Inaba's self-released disc on
Planktone called 'Innen Kaho' - released maybe five years ago. Inaba
apparently lives in rural Shimane on the Japan Sea coast of western
Japan. Anyone think they can help me find this obscurity? Thanks.
-Tom Pratt
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:33:13 -0400
From: "Zachary J. Griffin" <zgriffin@iconn.net>
Subject: Painkiller's Morning of Balachaturdasi
Hello,
As inane as this question sounds. I have to ask it. Because I
made the mistake of emailing a friend of mine with the subject heading
Morning of Balachaturdasi, the Painkiller song. He wants to know what
Balachaturdasi means. And I can't find an explaniation anywhere. So
does anyone on this list know the meaning of the word Balachaturdasi or
the phrase "Morning of Balachaturdasi"?
Thank you in advance,
Zach Griffin
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:27:57 -0400
From: Rich Williams <punkjazz@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Jazz with Electronics
>At 08:27 PM 6/27/99 -0400, brazen stupidity wrote:
> >Howdy,
> >
> >Yesterday I went to a show by the band "erg" (from St. Petersbug, FL I
> >think.) They played some nice textural pieces, but the thing that I really
> >dug was their use of live electronic processing while improvising. So, does
> >anyone have any recommendations for improv with live electronic processing?
On the more mainstream side of things(at least for this
group) would be Jane Ira Bloom, who's been known to employ quite a
few downtown musicians. My personal favorite is drummer Joe Gallivan
who made a bunch of LP's in the 70's that featured him in duo's and
trios with Horn Players(Elton Dean,Kenny Wheeler,Charles Austin),
playing his drums through moog synthesizers.
- -
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 17:39:52 EDT
From: IOUaLive1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Critters Bug Zorn in Warsaw
In a message dated 6/29/99 10:11:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
mwitt@schilli.com writes:
> It takes a lot more than a couple of "fuck yous" to offend me, but I'd have
> to agree that Zorn's antics were more than simply rude and inappropriate:
> they were transparent as nothing more than a contrived publicity stunt. It
~~~~~~~~~
> A least SEVEN video
> cameras and crew members that were a hell of a lot more intrusive than a
few
> photographers. What a load of crap! I'm glad that Skerik took Zorn to
task
> for being such a phony.
Give him the benefit of the doubt... he obviously knew the show was being
video taped for TV broadcast (and was getting paid well for it I'm sure), but
he probably wasnt expecting a whole bunch of photographers clicking away
during what was probably some quiet music. Who knows, maybe he has something
in his rider specifically stating he doesnt want photographers near the stage.
> I had considered
> Zorn to be the genuine article, but I guess it's not fair to hold the man
up
> to the same standard as his music. Looking back, many of the best jazz
> musicians who made extraordinary and beautiful music were miserable human
> beings.
As many others can attest, he is a very nice man! Ive worked with him a
couple of times (and seen him play dozens) and he is a very kind person.
Very down to earth, laid back, and agreeable. Ive seen the "antics" too, so
I can understand why youre thinking this way (I guess certain things just irk
him)... but dont change your feelings about him based on this. If theres one
thing he is, its genuine.
- -Jody
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 17:45:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeni Dahmus <jdah@loc.gov>
Subject: Zorn Q&A at Tonic
Did anyone attend Zorn's question and answer session at Tonic?
Jeni
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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:55:59 CDT
From: * % <nonintention@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: It's Not Just Size... + Art
Scott Handley wrote:
>Whew indeed. I suppose I could've broken 2000 by now if I didn't
>have book
>and film habits, but still be broke either way. This is a wanker's
>question, but I know many of you ladies and gents have been collecting
>avidly (for content, of course!) for many, many years: would anyone care to
>mention how many pieces are in their audio collection? Excluding tapes, I
>have perhaps just over a thousand LPs and CDs. Pretty small, huh? Seems
>almost unmanagemable to me.
>
>I'm reading Delillo's UNDERWORLD, finally, and I am reminded of the brief
>rash of book reviews on this list at one point last year. I enjoy that
>occasionally, but was wondering if anyone cares to comment on art that has
>moved and/or stimulated him/her? We've touched on this, and I feel that it
>could be very Zorn-pertinent. For example, in passing I saw a photo of a
>Christian Marclay (sick turntablist, for the uninitiated) sculpture the
>other day, what appeared to be a huge mobius strip composed of sheets of
>assembled cassette tapes. I don't a hell of a lot about art, but I'm
>learning. I know I like Ceindy SHerman, for now. What's happening in art,
>now? What are the issues?
>
>-----s, semi-topically
AH>
i haven't commented on anything anyone said at this zorn list thing because
i am not very educated on him. but yeah, i'm in the middle of Don DeLillo's
Underworld as well. quite the book.
-me
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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:28:00 CDT
From: * % <nonintention@hotmail.com>
Subject: krucifly
>Comment 2: Does anyone know anything about various types of art
>specifically
> surrealist...?
.......krucifly
um...
i recommend R. Rauschenberg (and i don't care if i'm spelling his name
wrong.)
i also recommend the book: "Art and Physics." by Leonard Schlain.
and i love surrealist art but know very little about it except that a
bunch of my friends have an argument over Salvador Dahli and those people
and how all surrealists were supposedly sexist women haters, which might be
true or whatever but i don't know. there.
-samuel yrui
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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:36:47 CDT
From: * % <nonintention@hotmail.com>
Subject: cd collections
i live in a very small town. i am lucky to go to an arts high school during
my school year, in Minneapolis... where i am exposed to much neater things
that in my little town in the summer. this year i discovered John Zorn.
yay.
but i was just wondering. would all the people who have 1000+ please tell
me how long they've been collecting and basically what's your job or
whatever. are any of you college students? and if so how do you manage to
afford buying so much without eating? there's been a few times where i had
to choose between a cd or eating properly and i would buy the CD. silly me.
and i've considered donating blood plasma once or twice a week next year
to be able to afford it or whatever.
-samuel yrui
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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:43:36 CDT
From: * % <nonintention@hotmail.com>
Subject: John Coltraine etc.
>please someone direct me to the best works of:
>John Coltrane
>Ornette Coleman
>
>i have heard random works of both which i liked, but i need a base
point.
>also:
>Ives
>Partch
>Varese
>Stravinsky
>Lee Konitz
>Carl Stalling
>Ohta Hiromi
>Ennio Morricone
>
>As of right now i'm just picking up names as i hear them....
>Being of the age 16 and living in the pit of TN i do, info about many of
>these artists is hard to find.
>Thanks be to anyone who can offer help.
>
>Ben ........................Krucifly
um. i am interested in a lot of those names too. but the only one i could
answer you on would be Stravinsky. my recommendation would be start with
everything and anything by him. Firebird is more normal, he wrote it for a
ballet. Patroushka is a good place. and of course Rite of Spring. when i
first heard Rite of Spring i almost died. it was a kind of percussion i
wasn't ready for. it rumbled through my chest (i have a nice big stereo)
and i got out of the room and then turned it down. but now i love it more
than most anything. (probably not, but you know what i mean.) concerto in
D is good too.
-samuel yrui
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