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Zorn List Digest        Thursday, July 1 1999        Volume 02 : Number 689



In this issue:
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       Re: krucifly
       Re: cd collections
       Arvo Part/twelve tone system
       Merzhbow
       Merzhbow
       nasty as he wants to be
       Re: Merzhbow
       put blood in the music
       Re: Lester Bowie's Sho' Nuff Orchestra
       Re: nasty as he wants to be
       Re: Jazz With Electronics
       Re: John Coltraine etc.
       Prelapose at Tonic this Fri. (NYC)
       blasphemy
       Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #688
       Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #688
       Re: belgium

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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:44:54 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: krucifly

On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:28:00 CDT  * % wrote:
>
> um...
> i recommend R. Rauschenberg (and i don't care if i'm spelling his name
> wrong.)
>    i also recommend the book: "Art and Physics."  by Leonard Schlain.
>   and i love surrealist art but know very little about it except that a
> bunch of my friends have an argument over Salvador Dahli and those people
> and how all surrealists were supposedly sexist women haters, which might be

Yes, and a black woman was not allowed to sit in the white section of a bus
in 1958...

How comfortable it is to look at the past in the armchair of the late
20th century...

    Patrice.

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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:49:26 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: cd collections

On Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 03:36:47PM -0500, * % wrote:
>   but i was just wondering.  would all the people who have 1000+ please tell
> me how long they've been collecting and basically what's your job or
> whatever.  are any of you college students?  and if so how do you manage to
> afford buying so much without eating?  there's been a few times where i had
> to choose between a cd or eating properly and i would buy the CD.  silly me.

I was in college when I started collecting records. Fortunately, New
Brunswick, NJ, where I went to school, was home to Cheap Thrills, a
record store that was the main dumping ground for overstock from the
distributor Jem Records. Most of what I got cost $.99-$2.99, usually
for imports from Europe or Japan.

Even adjusting prices to account for the intervening 20 years or so,
that was pretty lucky.

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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:53:57 CDT
From: * % <[e-mail]>
Subject: Arvo Part/twelve tone system

i hear that in the 70's Arvo Part's musical style was much more... modern.
(perhaps less unique.)  and i heard he did one piece that was composed using
the twelve tone system.  has anyone heard this?  if so, please share with me
what it was like.  i suppose i'd like to hear it some day, but would be
satisfied just having it described to me.


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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:08:22 CDT
From: * % <[e-mail]>
Subject: Merzhbow

don't know if i'm spelling Merzhbow correctly.

1.) Tzadik released Merzhbow's '1930'.  i've heard from some that it's his
best ever.  is it?  what do you people think?  i haven't heard it yet.

2.) i also heard that Merzhbow is releasing a compilation box set of over
500 cd's.  is this true?


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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:08:56 CDT
From: * % <[e-mail]>
Subject: Merzhbow

oh...

3.)does John Zorn know Merzhbow?  not that it matters too much but...


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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 99 17:16:42 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: nasty as he wants to be

Wow, and some people thought talking about his record collection was getting too
personal.

I've talked to Zorn a few times, not a lot. And I saw him fuck off a whole row
of photographers at Central Park Summerstate. And of course we all know about
him and Madeleine Albright.

First off, Michael Witt is right. Judging artists by their personalities will
leave you with a cold and boring world. I swore off Mingus after reading his
autobiography, until I realized the only thing I was accomplishing was depriving
myself of music I love. I've had this fight with a number of friends, sometimes
about Zorn's purported misogyny, or Prince's sexism, or others, and find myself
defending an artist against charges that, true or not, are irrelevent. You don't
have to like art made by bad people, but that's a much more complicated
suggestion that it sounds.

But Zorn, I don't think, is a bad person. I approached him one time when he
didn't want to talk and made it quite clear, brusquely, but not rudely. Other
times he's been a sweetheart. Still photographers, on the other hand, are very
often assholes. I'm a journalist, and if I'm at a public event, I let the real
audience have their say or do their thing before I get in the middle of it. And
certainly some photographers are as respectful. But I saw Christian Marclay play
solo one time in a fairly dark room. One photographer discovered a fire escape
or catwalk stair or something on the back of the stage area, and within minutes
the entire stairway was covered with them, flashing so many flashes that it was
difficult to keep watching him play. I saw Toni Morrison read in a park, got
there early, sat on the ground, and was soon stomped by photographers forcing
their way past me to stand in front of me. And anyone who says they need a flash
during a performance is lying. I'm glad Zorn not only stops them, but makes a
spectacle of it. Maybe when they're on their way home, 5 minutes after the
concert started, they'll think about being less obtrusive next time.

And the bad words? Well, that don't bother me. And if it does anyone else, I'm
surpized they listen to JZ atall, unless it's only the very mature Masada
records.



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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:18:07 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Merzhbow

On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:08:22 CDT  * % wrote:
>
> 2.) i also heard that Merzhbow is releasing a compilation box set of over
> 500 cd's.  is this true?

50 x CDs, if I remember well.

    Patrice.

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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:21:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Margaret B Martin <[e-mail]>
Subject: put blood in the music

does anyone on this list own a copy of this documentary?  i heard it was
absolutely wonderful and was hoping to get my hands on it.  where in the
world can i find this film?

thanks,
      m2


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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:57:55 CDT
From: * % <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Lester Bowie's Sho' Nuff Orchestra

hm.  i go to the Perpich Arts High School in Golden Valley, Minnesota.
Lester Bowie came with an old choreographer and her dancers.  there was an
ethnic drummer there as well.  they put on a lovely show.  Lester
entertained a small group of us heartily afterwards with cute little tunes
because everyone knew he could play ten thousand times better than that and
i guess that's why it was hysterical but i guess you had to be there.  ha
ha.

            -samuel yrui

replying to:


>Back around 1981-82, Bowie gave a concert in NYC with this band, an
>enormous congregation of the finest musicians in NY (my recollection is
>that it was at Symphony Space). I remember thinking at the time, when
>debating whether or not to go, that it had all the earmarks of a
>well-intentioned mess and opted not to attend, but the reviews were
>sensational; there's a permanent imprint of my heel on my butt. In a
>photo from the event on the back of Lester's 'All the Magic' release on
>ECM, to give an idea of the size of the ensemble, one can make out at
>least 16 saxophonists (including Braxton, Threadgill, Mitchell, Blythe,
>Hemphill and Lowe!) and at least eight trombonists (with Lewis, Turre,
>Harris and Lacy). My question is: does anyone know if this was ever
>recorded? Might tapes exist? Thanks.
>
>Brian Olewnick


>
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>


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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:12:14 -0800
From: Jason Tors <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: nasty as he wants to be

And anyone who says they need a flash
>during a performance is lying. I'm glad Zorn not only stops them, but makes a
>spectacle of it. Maybe when they're on their way home, 5 minutes after the
>concert started, they'll think about being less obtrusive next time.

I completely agree, if you are good [and using fast film] flash is not
necessary during preformances. I snuck a camera into the first Zorn Ribot
Medeski Previte concert at the knitting factory. I didnt use a flash, at
first I was super covert about it due to all the rumors about JZ's hatred
of photographers. He saw me picking it up, I know he did, looked at my
camera, then looked me in the eye indifferently, stuck his horn in his
mouth and cranked this serious scream. It was great, I caught his spray in
the air while blasting out this incredible melange of notes.  I dont think
he minds as long as you are a respectful photographer.

Tim Berne got mad at me for not asking before I took some shots at a
bloodcount preformance in the old office. It was my first time seeing him
play, I saw him walking around the stage adjusting schitt, but I though he
was just a stage hand, I was expecting him to look completely different.

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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:22:46 -0400
From: theorcolus <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Jazz With Electronics

I think Vernon Reid has merged electronics into the Jazz canon. I just picked up the
new King Crimson Live 2 CD set and I would think you could call some of that Jazz
with electronics. I also would like to mention the blurb Downtown Music Gallery gave
my band "Theorcolus:"
DAVID C. GROSS-Theorcolus (144 Music 001)  David is a six string el. bassist
extraoardinaire, who has plays in Bob Musso's Transonic unit, has played wild
improvised duos with guitarist Tor Snyder at DMG, leads a variety of units at the
Knit and writes for Bass Frontiers magazine.  This is his first release and it is
unlike anything I have heard him do previously.  He has gathered an unlikely cast
that includes trumpeters Erik Jakobson & Lewis Barnes (Little Huey Orch.),
saxists Daniel Carter (Other Dimensions & Test), Will Connell (Little Huey Orch) &
Patience Higgins (Muhal units), Toby Kasavan on keys (Transonic), plus Num Amun-tehu
on percussion & Warren Benbow (Blood's Oddyssey trio) on drums.
There are few solos found here, mostly it is David's strong composing for these
players that rings true.  With no guitarist in sight, it is often the wondrous
rhythm team that provides a melodic center for the horns to sail together in
delightful harmonies-reminding me of Herbie Hancock's Sextant unit before the funk
took over or even Zappa's Grand Wazoo ensemble without the weirdness.  These are
actually beautiful pieces, with luscious horn parts, especially the parts for bass
clarinet & trumpet.  David interviewed fuzz-bass god Hugh Hopper for an upcoming BF
issue and pays tribute to Hughwith some fine fuzz bass on "Seitan Takes a Solo."
Toby's synth spins webs of sound that fly around the mix, freeing things from the
internal pulse.  While the music here is adventurous but not out, the production
here is smooth, perfect for some radio play - here's hoping it gets some its well
deserved recognition.

David C Gross
"a great musician needs to be committed!"
www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/7773/


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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:26:50 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Chris Westphal)
Subject: Re: John Coltraine etc.

Coltrane - I started with Africa Brass.  It's the quartet + some.  I think
Dolphy is on it too if I remember correctly.  Nice dark session.  Lotsa
horns  For classic Trane go with Blue Trane (standard must have).  Also
check out Tenor Madness with Sonny Rollins (the two tenors hash it out).
It'll blow your mind.  Oh yeah, and I can't forget Giant Steps.  The
Village Vanguard sessions are great too.  I better stop here or we'll go on
all night.  This should give you enough to get started.

If you don't trust me see for yourself:

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/x.dll?UID=9:21:48|PM&p=amg&sql=B65851

Good Luck

 - c

np:  Sleep - Jerusalem

At 03:43 PM 6/30/99 CDT, [e-mail] wrote:
>
> >please someone direct me to the best works of:
> >John Coltrane
> >Ornette Coleman
> >
> >i have heard random works of both which i liked, but i need a base
>point.
> >also:
> >Ives
> >Partch
> >Varese
> >Stravinsky
> >Lee Konitz
> >Carl Stalling
> >Ohta Hiromi
> >Ennio Morricone
> >
> >As of right now i'm just picking up names as i hear them....
>  >Being of the age 16 and living in the pit of TN i do, info about many  of
> >these artists is hard to find.
> >Thanks be to anyone who can offer help.
> >
> >Ben            ........................Krucifly
>
>
>
>um.  i am interested in a lot of those names too.  but the only one i could
>answer you on would be Stravinsky.  my recommendation would be start with
>everything and anything by him.  Firebird is more normal, he wrote it for a
>ballet.  Patroushka is a good place.  and of course Rite of Spring.  when i
>first heard Rite of Spring i almost died.  it was a kind of percussion i
>wasn't ready for.  it rumbled through my chest (i have a nice big stereo)
>and i got out of the room and then turned it down.  but now i love it more
>than most anything.  (probably not, but you know what i mean.)   concerto in
>D is good too.
>
>                        -samuel yrui
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 00:57:25 -0400
From: "Mason Wendell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Prelapose at Tonic this Fri. (NYC)

Hey folks:

My band Prelapse is playing at Tonic this Friday (July 2). It's part of
Zorn's New Music Festival. We'll be doing a bunch of Naked City tunes and
tons of original stuff. Come on out if you can! We go on at 8:00 PM.

Tonic is located at 107 Norfolk Street. (Between Delancey & Rivington) ca=
ll
212-358-7501 http://www.tonic107.com

see ya there!
</Mason.Prelapse>

__________________________
this is from Tonic's mail:

Fri, Jul 02
>> Prelapse at 8:00pm, $7
>> Satoko Fujii at 10:00pm, $10
>> Michael Blake's Free Association at Midnight, $4
With Dave Tronzo & Ben Allison.
_____________________________
Here's the ful press release:

For immediate release


Prelapse-

"The music of John Zorn's Naked City and compositions for loud ensemble."

In the world of tribute bands, Prelapse must not be the smartest. They co=
uld
have dressed up like Pearl Jam or Gloria Estefan and made ton of money
touring the State Fair circuit. But instead they decided that transcribin=
g
note-for-note the compositions of John Zorn's Naked City was the surer pa=
th
to wealth, stardom and notoriety.

When Alex Lacamoire [keys] and Mason Wendell [bass/vocals] presented Zorn
with over 30 of their transcriptions along with a tape of their performan=
ce,
he was stunned. Zorn immediately sent them a package of everything he wro=
te
for Naked City and authorized Prelapse to debut his unperformed
compositions. The over-a-dozen new works were premiered at festival in
Boston honoring Zorn's music, and three of the pieces are included on Zor=
n's
"Music for Children" CD (Tzadik).

Their self-titled debut CD (DIW) will feature many original works by
Prelapse as well as the remaining Zorn premieres. Prelapse's original mus=
ic
is as eclectic, varied, and energetic as you might expect from a band wit=
h
such a background. Each composer within the group brings a strong individ=
ual
voice and style to the mix.  Yet this music is very focused. There's a
tightness and an attention to detail that really sticks out in their
performances. This is music for chamber ensemble - it's just that this
ensemble is a five-piece rock band.

Prelapse's live performances promise to mix a (un)healthy amount of Zorn'=
s
music with their own. In the words of the man himself:

"These guys f=E0ckin' shred these tunes" -John Zorn



Alex Lacamoire - piano,organ,samples and such
Mason Wendell - bass and vocals
Dane Johnson - guitar, dobro and fretless guitar
Jeff Hudgins - sax, clarinet
Andy Sanesi - drums

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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 02:05:57 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: blasphemy

In a message dated 6/30/99 4:51:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< I realize that it is blasphemy to say anything bad about on Zorn on this
 mailing list, but that's my opinion. >>

no man, it's cool, speak your mind. i'm still curious if there's any
reactions to my such remarks on "the classic guide to strategy" awhile back.
joseph

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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 10:52:46 +0200
From: Paul van Gorp <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #688

Hi,

A few days ago someone posted that Masada is going to perform in Belgium this
summer. Could someone give more info (date, venue)?

Paul.


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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 11:08:10 +0200
From: Yves Dewulf <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #688

> Hi,
> A few days ago someone posted that Masada is going to perform in
> Belgium this summer. Could someone give more info (date, venue)?

  The Masada-concert is part of the Middelheim Jazz-festival.
  They perform on Sunday August 15 , 21.00. at the Park den Brandt,
  Antwerp.

  More info at: http://www.radio1.be/jazzmiddelheim/

  YVes

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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 11:09:32 +0200
From: "Stephane Vuilleumier" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: belgium

Sorry for the blatantly european thread...

Any recommendations on shops (vinyl!) in Brussels,
and concerts between 10 and 15 July?

Stephane

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From: Paul van Gorp <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Donnerstag, 1. Juli 1999 10:54
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #688


:A few days ago someone posted that Masada is going to perform in Belgium this
:summer. Could someone give more info (date, venue)?



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