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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #687
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Zorn List Digest Tuesday, June 29 1999 Volume 02 : Number 687
In this issue:
-
ruins
Jazz with Electronics
Re: VAO etc.
Re: Jazz with Electronics
Re: Chris Burn Ensemble
Re: New Cibo Matto
Critters Bug Zorn in Warsaw
Re: hips road summer blowout: pedagogical fantasy
Antenna radio
RE: Critters Bug Zorn in Warsaw
White Noise Update
| cheap cd site question |
aporias
Nick Tosches, Rene Ricard, Mike DeCapite reading (R. Hell the host)
Re: aporias
Re: Jazz with Electronics
RE: Critters Bug Zorn in Warsaw
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 99 17:00:18 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: ruins
>Are the Ruins the same as the Pencilneck Ruins?
I have every Tatsuya Yoshida record I've ever come across (which is a fair
number, including some all-Tatsuya comps), so I'll venture to guess No. But he
has done some combo projects, like Ruins Hatoba (w/Yamamoto from the Boredoms),
so it could be a side project.
While Tatsuya's recordings are pretty hit or miss, the Ruins live can be
phenomenal. I really like the first 2 Tzadik releases (Ruins and Derek + the
Ruins), but the 3d, Symphonica, was far too proggy for me (and I'm learning to
be tolerant of that stuff!). Some of the recordings are so lo-fi (seemingly
intentionally so) that they're hard to listen to. Live, however, this is a
breakneck duo with the precision and depth of Naked City's "rock" stuff, all
from just a bass and a drum set. They'll be playing at Tonic in early July. Last
time I saw them, Arto was standing alone in the back shaking his head and saying
"Fucking amazing" over and over. Do go.
- -
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 20:27:58 -0400
From: "brazen stupidity" <angyr-@geocities.com>
Subject: Jazz with Electronics
Howdy,
Yesterday I went to a show by the band "erg" (from St. Petersbug, FL I
think.) They played some nice textural pieces, but the thing that I really
dug was their use of live electronic processing while improvising. So, does
anyone have any recommendations for improv with live electronic processing?
Thanx!
(out),
Nirav
- --
"Don't try to make me consistent. I am learning all the time." - R.
Buckminster Fuller
- -
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 04:35:22 EDT
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Re: VAO etc.
In a message dated 6/26/99 3:40:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
cdeupree@erinet.com writes:
<< For more traditional-type arranging, how about some of Carla Bley's
outfits, including the terrific Liberation Music Orchestra she's done with
Charlie Haden? >>
Carla Bley- one of my absolute faves. Is it safe to say that Americans take
her for granted because she is...American?
=dg=
- -
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:04:13 GMT
From: Scott Handley <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Jazz with Electronics
>So, does
>anyone have any recommendations for improv with live electronic processing?
>
I'd like to chime in once more about the two albums by the Evan Parker
Electroacoustic Ensemble, TOWARD THE MARGINS and DRAWN INWARD. I've only
listened to INWARD once, but I find it a rougher ride and (I'm tempted to
say _subsequently_) more enjoyable. The Parker LIVE AT INSTANTS CHAVIRES
(w/ Lawrence Casserley et al) is also pretty great. But the real kicker,
IMHO, is the duo between EP and LC, SOLAR WIND. Wow. Actually, I only
managed to hear about half the record; still need to buy it. Pretty dense
stuff. If anything tops that, I really need to know about it.
Check the archives for great electronic music and "electronica" (I'll be a
snob and differentiate, for the moment) threads, I believe within the past
year-and-a-half.
- -----s
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:26:34 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Chris Burn Ensemble
On Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:05:02 EDT JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 6/26/99 3:40:56 PM, cdeupree@erinet.com writes:
>
> << The traditions of what we'd call 'big band music' is much less in the
> Ensemble,
> and in that sense it's closer to King Ubu, or perhaps some of the
> experimental classical music of Stockhausen (or even Zorn's game pieces).
> What Ken speaks of as 'precious and airy' I hear as textured and delicate. >>
>
> I think they're closer to textured and delicate also, at least on record, but
> I wouldn't have minded seeing some espresso shots passed around the band
> before their 1998 Victo show.
My impression of the concert was that John Butcher was carrying the whole
performance on his shoulders. It was free improv at its most abstract level
(makes almost Derek Bailey sound poppy)..
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:10:55 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: New Cibo Matto
Since nobody answered, I will.
On Tue, 22 Jun 99 16:38:39 -0300 hulinare@bemberg.com.ar wrote:
>
> By the way, what about the new Cibo Matto? Are Josh Roseman and Dave
> Douglas playing? Opinions?
Yes, they play on it.
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
108 - STEREOTYPE A: Cibo Matto
Recorded at Magic Shop, Sear Sound, and Studio 4
Produced by Yuka Honda with Cibo Matto
Miho Hatori: vocals, shaker, acoustic guitar; Yuka Honda: sampler, sequen-
cer, organ, piano, electric piano, synthesizer, harpsichord, vocoder, vo-
cals; Sean Lennon: electric bass, synthesizer bass, drums, guitars, percus-
sion, synthesizer, vocoder, vocals, delay pedal; Timo Ellis: drums, bass,
vocals, guitars, cymbal, slamming door; Duma Love: vocals, percussion, beat
box, turntable; Marc Ribot: guitars; Dave Douglas: trumpet; Curtis Fowlkes:
trombone; Josh Roseman: trombone; Dougie Bowne: hi-hat, cymbals; Sebastian
Steinberg: bass; Yumiko Ohno: Moog, backup vocals; Vinia Mojica: backup
vocals; Sequoia: backup vocals; Smokey Hormel: guitar; John Medeski: clavi-
net; Billy Martin: percussion.
1999 - Warner Bros. (USA), 9 47345-2 (CD)
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I was initially worried about it because many of the first reviewers did not
like it (e-pulse! for example). I guess they were expecting the same impact
as VIVA! LA WOMAN. The record is quite enjoyable and varied (they even wander
in the R&B field). Catchy, poppy and a lot of fun. If you liked VIVA! LA WOMAN
you should be at home with that one.
Patrice.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:39:40 -0500
From: Michael Witt <mwitt@schilli.com>
Subject: Critters Bug Zorn in Warsaw
The first thing that Zorn did when he took the stage at the Warsaw Summer
Jazz Days on Friday was yell into the mic, "We're the fucking New York Jews,
motherfuckers!" The crowd responded favorably, and he started yelling at
the crowd of photographers assembled at the edge of the stage, "We're not
going to play one FUCKING note until these PHOTOGRAPHIC LEECHES get the FUCK
out of here! We're here to play music to an audience, so get the fuck out."
"Yes, you too", he heckled one lingering photographer who had bleached-blond
hair, "and I don't give a fuck what color your hair is. Get the fuck out of
here."
If the Polish audience didn't speak much English, they certainly learned the
word "fuck" that evening. What, John Zorn, arrogant? Lacking diplomacy
skills? Say it ain't so.
On the next night of the festival, Critters Buggin played a raging set.
Towards the end of their set, the sax player ran to the edge of the stage
with his mic and did a HILARIOUS parody of Zorn's antics, chasing around
imaginary photographers and screaming in an exaggerated nasal accent, "Fuck
you! Fuck off, photographer-man! Don't take my picture! You get the fuck
out! Fuck you!" The crowd roared in laughter, and as he returned to his
playing he commented, "Don't ya just hate it when Santa Claus gets grumpy at
Christmas?" It was classic.
- --Mike
mwitt@schilli.com
- -
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:11:57 -0500
From: Tal Goldman <telly_o@softhome.net>
Subject: Re: hips road summer blowout: pedagogical fantasy
>
> Did anyone go to these?
>
> Marc Ribot - Guitar Question & Answer (06/17/99 3 to 5:00pm)
> Elliott Sharp - Notation Systems (06/18/99 Noon to 2:00pm)
> William Parker - Construction of Creative Music (06/18/99 3 to 5:00pm)
> Henry Threadgill - Question & Answer (06/19/99 3 to 5:00pm)
> Wadada Leo Smith - Creative Music (06/19/99 Noon to 2:00pm)
>
> How were they? Could anyone summarize/comment for the rest of us unlucky
> enough not to be in NYC? And will anyone be able to after attending these?
I went to the one w/ Joey Baron and it was quite interesting (even to this
non-drummer). He talked about "theoretical stuff" like symmetric vs.
assymmetric rhythm; and some practical stuff like exercises for keeping time
and how to use brushes.
Also he talked about his own background: ie. how he grew up poor in
Richmond VA and began experimenting w/ percussion using whatever minimal instruments
he had available; how he got into straight-ahead jazz and then he
ended up working w/ Bill Frisell and John Zorn.
Joey comes across as a really nice guy; he definitely doesn't have a star complex.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:28:16 -0700
From: Herb Levy <herb@eskimo.com>
Subject: Antenna radio
Hi
This week's show has a few things that may be of interest to Zorn listers
(Dave Slusser on Tzxadik, What We Live with Dave Douglas & Wadada Leo Smith
as special guest, Michael Gordon) & in next week's show I present five Zorn
compositions, primarily classical-ish pieces.
<http://www.antennaradio.com/avant/mappings/index.htm>
Hope y'all find this to be of interest.
Bests,
Herb
Herb Levy
herb@eskimo.com
- -
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:58:31 -0700
From: "Dave Egan" <degan1@telisphere.com>
Subject: RE: Critters Bug Zorn in Warsaw
That Skerik! He's such a cutup! I heard someone say once that Skerik has
an anti-semetic streak, but I'm not so sure about that. Maybe the guy
didn't get his sense of humor. He can be a very rude guy.
In February I went to see Sex Mob here in Seattle. Zony Mash was booked to
open the show. Wayne Horvitz had just come down with a HORRIBLE pneumonia,
and had to bow out at the last minute. The rest of the guys were there
though, and Skerik (who has MUCH more hair than Wayne) fronted the band.
Skerik led off the set with the following rap:
"Hi, everybody. I'm Wayne Horvitz, and this is something I like to call
Zony Mash. It's a project very dear to me; it's a blast. It's something I
wanted to do as soon as I got my hair back. Viagra and Rogaine is a
cocktail that just can't go wrong. But makes you sick sometimes. What kind
of sick? A rockin' pneumonia? Let's sing him the cure." At this point, he
chants "nervous connection" for quite a while.
Wayne was so sick that he cancelled the better part of two months of gigs,
including a west-coast tour.
Skerik is such a sweet guy sometimes.
- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Michael Witt
Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 10:40 AM
To: 'zorn-list@lists.xmission.com'
Subject: Critters Bug Zorn in Warsaw
The first thing that Zorn did when he took the stage at the Warsaw Summer
Jazz Days on Friday was yell into the mic, "We're the fucking New York Jews,
motherfuckers!" The crowd responded favorably, and he started yelling at
the crowd of photographers assembled at the edge of the stage, "We're not
going to play one FUCKING note until these PHOTOGRAPHIC LEECHES get the FUCK
out of here! We're here to play music to an audience, so get the fuck out."
"Yes, you too", he heckled one lingering photographer who had bleached-blond
hair, "and I don't give a fuck what color your hair is. Get the fuck out of
here."
If the Polish audience didn't speak much English, they certainly learned the
word "fuck" that evening. What, John Zorn, arrogant? Lacking diplomacy
skills? Say it ain't so.
On the next night of the festival, Critters Buggin played a raging set.
Towards the end of their set, the sax player ran to the edge of the stage
with his mic and did a HILARIOUS parody of Zorn's antics, chasing around
imaginary photographers and screaming in an exaggerated nasal accent, "Fuck
you! Fuck off, photographer-man! Don't take my picture! You get the fuck
out! Fuck you!" The crowd roared in laughter, and as he returned to his
playing he commented, "Don't ya just hate it when Santa Claus gets grumpy at
Christmas?" It was classic.
- --Mike
mwitt@schilli.com
- -
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:38:03 +0100
From: "Scott" <scott@burntweeny.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: White Noise Update
Just for info, I've just updated White Noise with some goof news for fans of
John Fahey and Derek Bailey amongst other things.
Check it out at the url below.
White Noise
For experimental events in Scotland
http://www.burntweeny.freeserve.co.uk
Weird Music for sale and exchange at
http://www.burntweeny.freeserve.co.uk/list.html
- -
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:49:34 -0800
From: Jason Tors <jtors@organic.com>
Subject: | cheap cd site question |
Has anyone gotten in touch with www.myshopnow.com about that 4.99 per cd
deal? Has anyone recieved their cds? Has anyone gotten any e-mail
confirmation from them?
- -
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:03:25 EDT
From: Orangejazz@aol.com
Subject: aporias
Anyone know who did the cover art for Aporias?
from,
matt
- -
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:10:28 -0400
From: Perfect Sound Forever <perfect-sound@furious.com>
Subject: Nick Tosches, Rene Ricard, Mike DeCapite reading (R. Hell the host)
My apologies if this is way off topic for this list.
J
>READING CELEBRATING FOUR NEW CUZ EDITIONS BOOKS (all books available at
>reading)
>
>This Tuesday, June 29, 9:00 p.m., at Manitoba's bar (982-2511), 99 Ave. "B"
>(betw. 6th & 7th Sts.)
>see and hear:
>
>NICK TOSCHES
>peerless cartographer of underworlds: novelist (CUT NUMBERS, TRINITIES),
>nonfictionist (HELLFIRE, DINO), etc., and now poet, reading from
>CHALDEA--and I DIG GIRLS--, his new CUZ book of poems + 1 story
>
>RENE RICARD
>notorious poet, legendary art critic, and all around aesthetic arbiter,
>author of GOD WITH REVOLVER, RENE RICARD (1979-1980), and TRUSTY
>SARCOPHAGUS CO., reading from his new CUZ Editions volume--with drawings by
>Robt. Hawkins--LOVE POEMS
>
>MICHAEL DECAPITE
>grapevine literary hero, author of the new novel THROUGH THE WINDSHIELD
>(recipient of insane rave in this weekend's SF CHRONICLE book review
>section), reading from his hilarious and heart-shaking new CUZ Editions
>short story, SITTING PRETTY
>
>HOSTED BY RICHARD HELL
>Editor of CUZ Editions
>
>ADMISSION: $5.00
>
>The 4th new CUZ Editions volume is LASSITUDES OF FIRE--dreams, mutterings,
>delerium, and deep love notes by WILL PATTON, the multi-Obie award winning
>actor (many Sam Shepard theater roles, films such as NO WAY OUT,
>ARMAGEDDON...), but Will's in CA making a movie and won't be able to appear
>
>and check the CUZ Editions webpages at http://www.richardhell.com
- -
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:25:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Eric Martens <ericmartens@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: aporias
- --- Orangejazz@aol.com wrote:
> Anyone know who did the cover art for Aporias?
It's a painting by Francis Bacon ... not an artist I'm
particularly familiar with ... there was a movie about
him came out last year, "Love is the Devil," I think
it was called ...
Eric
===
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- -
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 06:17:51 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Subject: Re: Jazz with Electronics
At 08:27 PM 6/27/99 -0400, brazen stupidity wrote:
>Howdy,
>
>Yesterday I went to a show by the band "erg" (from St. Petersbug, FL I
>think.) They played some nice textural pieces, but the thing that I really
>dug was their use of live electronic processing while improvising. So, does
>anyone have any recommendations for improv with live electronic processing?
Someone already pointed out Evan Parker's EA Ensemble as the current
canonical example of this kind of improv. Stockhausen did some work in
this area with pieces like Mikrophonie and Mixtur, but you'll have to dig
really hard (or find a good library) to locate these (unless you have all
kinds of disposable income and want to buy a CD directly from the man
himself).
For some borderline cases, jazz with electronics but not necessarily
processing the other instruments, I'd recommend the King Ubu Orchestra
(featuring Georg Katzer on computer and electronics, he did a couple of
excellent electroacoustic pieces on ReR) CD on FMP, Polwechsel (Hat),
Supersilent (Rune Grammofon), Ossatura with Tim Hodgkinson (ReR),
Morphogenesis (various labels) and Chris Burns' Ensemble (Acta). Ossatura
and Morphogenesis are not really jazz, but definitely improv.
BTW, anyone heard Polwechsel 2? Comments?
- --
Caleb Deupree
cdeupree@erinet.com
It is pretty obvious that the debasement of the human mind caused by a
constant flow of fraudulent advertising is no trivial thing. There is more
than one way to conquer a country.
- -- Raymond Chandler
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:04:46 +0200
From: "Artur Nowak" <arno@silesia.top.pl>
Subject: RE: Critters Bug Zorn in Warsaw
> If the Polish audience didn't speak much English, they certainly
> learned the
> word "fuck" that evening. What, John Zorn, arrogant? Lacking diplomacy
> skills? Say it ain't so.
I have HUGE discussion now on polish usenet with some peope, who think, that
Zorn was rude and arrogrant. I was happy, that he kicked off the
photographers and the show was fully concentrated on music. Yesterday I was
i Cracow at the Jewish Art Festival to see Anthony Coleman's Sephardic
Tinge. The show was very quiet and beautifull, but one photographer was
behind the curtains making pictures with flashlight. I wanted to quote Zorn!
When Anthony played at the edge of silence you could hear him breathing,
but this photographer entered the stage and was making pictures of something
BEHIND the stage. His camera was making louder noise thank the band was
playing! Therefore I was glad to be the man who told Zorn how to say "fuck
off" in polish - "spierdalac". And Zorn amazed me once again, because he
repeated this word to the photo-guys with perfect accent! He has an
incredible ear ;-)
I could not stand Critters the whole show. It was just too loud. So I missed
the Zorn parody, but I can imagine Skerik (the sax player) doing it. He was
very energetic. But, some other people here think that he was rude too! We,
polish people, need some more english lessons. And we don't get the humor
too.
Regards
__________________________________________________________________
Artur Nowak [arno AT emd.pl]
www.emd.pl - Discography of Bill Frisell
- -
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