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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #683
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Zorn List Digest Monday, June 21 1999 Volume 02 : Number 683
In this issue:
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Evan Parker?
Re: Avant Records Website?
Re: Re: Avant Records Website?
Future Jazz by Howard Mandel
Joe Harriot Double Quartet
Re: Avant Records Website?
Lester Bowie's Sho' Nuff Orchestra
Zorn in South America
anthony braxton discography
lacy recommendation
halana magazine
hips road summer blowout: pedagogical fantasy
Re: lacy recommendation
Re: Evan Parker?
Re: Evan Parker?
hathut: the inquisition (long)
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 05:27:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Santamaria <d028932c@dc.seflin.org>
Subject: Evan Parker?
Recently someone mentioned the name Evan Parker to me. I'm not
too familiar with him, although I know he plays the sax. Are any of you
familiar with him, and if so do you know where I would be able to find
his records?
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+ + . |
Your Grandpa's cane, it turns into a sword
Your Grandma prays to pictures that are pasted on a board
-B. D.
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 09:43:24 -0400
From: "Zachary J. Griffin" <zgriffin@iconn.net>
Subject: Re: Avant Records Website?
Thanks, but I already have them bookmarked. Does anybody know how their
reliability with mail order?
"J.A.Bueno" wrote:
> Don`t think so , but there`s a catalog at
> http://www.DTMGallery.com/
>
> Antonio
>
> "Zachary J. Griffin" wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> > Is there a website for Avant Records?
> >
> > Zach
> >
> > -
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 11:27:20 EDT
From: Slntwtchr@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Avant Records Website?
>Thanks, but I already have them bookmarked. Does anybody know how their
>reliability with mail order?
i've always gotten my orders from them within a week of placing it. i usually
order by email, but i've phoned in a few times and spoken to bruce (the
owner) and he's always been extremely friendly and willing to chat about
music if he has the time.
peace,
dave
___________________________________________________________
bill laswell, eraldo bernocchi, mick harris and lori carson discographies at :
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/7093
REVIEWS WANTED
___________________________________________________________
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 12:37:00 -0500 (CDT)
From: Paul Audino <psaudino@interaccess.com>
Subject: Future Jazz by Howard Mandel
Has anyone read the book "Future Jazz" by Howard Mandel? It apparently
contains interviews with E# and Zorn, among others.
Out 2 Lunch With Lunhcmeat,
Paul
psaudino@interaccess.com
GROOVE
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One Nation
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 13:40:18 -0500 (CDT)
From: Paul Audino <psaudino@interaccess.com>
Subject: Joe Harriot Double Quartet
Hello,
This week Kock is re-issuing two Joe Harriot albums:
The Joe Harriot Double Quartet - _S/T_
Harriot Mayer Double Quartet - _Indo-Jazz Fusions_
Any opinion on these?
Paul
psaudino@interaccess.com
GROOVE
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One Nation
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 20:11:33 -0400
From: "Zachary J. Griffin" <zgriffin@iconn.net>
Subject: Re: Avant Records Website?
"J.A.Bueno" wrote:
> I have been placing orders from them for a couple of years.
> Never had problems ( i live in Argentina)
>
> Hope this can help you
> Antonio
Considering that I live in Connecticut, which is merely a two hour drive away
from New York City. It would be a safe guess that there would be even less
problems to deal with than you have to get stuff.
Thanks for the information,
Zach
P.S. I had heard about Robert Fripp having a following in Argentina. But I
never knew about John Zorn being a well known musician/composer in your
country. It is rather funny that I can mention Zorn, Fripp, and other artists
of that nature to someone from another country. And he is points me to a
store in a state that I visit often to. But when I mention these artists to
people in my home state of Connecticut, I get a blank stare. Just an
observation.
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 20:38:53 -0400
From: Brian Olewnick <olewnik@idt.net>
Subject: Lester Bowie's Sho' Nuff Orchestra
Back around 1981-82, Bowie gave a concert in NYC with this band, an
enormous congregation of the finest musicians in NY (my recollection is
that it was at Symphony Space). I remember thinking at the time, when
debating whether or not to go, that it had all the earmarks of a
well-intentioned mess and opted not to attend, but the reviews were
sensational; there's a permanent imprint of my heel on my butt. In a
photo from the event on the back of Lester's 'All the Magic' release on
ECM, to give an idea of the size of the ensemble, one can make out at
least 16 saxophonists (including Braxton, Threadgill, Mitchell, Blythe,
Hemphill and Lowe!) and at least eight trombonists (with Lewis, Turre,
Harris and Lacy). My question is: does anyone know if this was ever
recorded? Might tapes exist? Thanks.
Brian Olewnick
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 20:26:59 -0500
From: Diego Gruber <dgruber@uio.satnet.net>
Subject: Zorn in South America
I wouldn't have thought of it either, being southamerican too, i live in
Ecuador, and i get the same blank stare you get in Connecticut, if not
an ironic comment following. It is not that surprising when the vast
majority doesn't even know shit about the more traditional jazz
musicians. i've tried introducing the people a little bit to zorn and
other related musicians through a couple of radio shows with little
success so far.
btw, i'm planning on a trip to NY mainly to attend the shows of Mr.
Bungle on August 3/4 at the Bowery Ballroom, and i wondered if someone
from NY (or Miami/Tampa as i'd be going there first) on this list would
be willing to help me get tickets for the shows, please contact me to
see how we could arrange that, i'd be very grateful. does anyone know of
any venues featuring Zorn around those dates? thank you very much,
Diego
>
> P.S. I had heard about Robert Fripp having a following in Argentina. But I
> never knew about John Zorn being a well known musician/composer in your
> country. It is rather funny that I can mention Zorn, Fripp, and other artists
> of that nature to someone from another country. And he is points me to a
> store in a state that I visit often to. But when I mention these artists to
> people in my home state of Connecticut, I get a blank stare. Just an
> observation.
>
> -
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:20:36 +0200
From: "Francesco Martinelli" <fmartinelli@tin.it>
Subject: anthony braxton discography
dear friends,
excuse the crosspost, but this subject might interest people on more than
one list.
After the nice acceptance of the Braxton News From The Seventies Cd, I
apparently found a publisher for my Braxton disco. As I said, It's a bit
more - every record is annotated by me and there's a critical quotation for
each. Plus other appendixes and full indexes.
I'm now in the process of completing my last revision and completing the
quotes.
I'd like to ask collaboration on a few points.
1. missing records -there's always a chance. Until a few weeks ago I'd
forgotten to include on of the Cd I have.... To help me I'd send the record
title list to anybody's interested to just check it for missing titles.
(it's about 200 titles so I can't post it!)
2. quotations: I need still about 50. I can post this list as well. They can
be from reviews anywhere, or - get this! - you can make them up yourself! (i
stole a few nice messages from the list already, surprise for whomever will
be included). I'll mail on request the list of titles available for comment.
3. Among them, I'd like to hear about any reviews of: the aforementioned
News from The Seventies, Douglas Ewart's Angles of Entrance, Ensemble 1995
and four composition (Quartet)1995, on Braxton House, 6 duets with joe
fonda, Naima by Roland dahinden, Composition 174, Affinity Plays 9 modern
jazz classics, 12 compositions/live at Yoshi's July 1993 (any earwitness?)
and the last production by your truly, Small Ensemble (Wesleyan) 1994 on
Splasc(h).
4. about the beginnings, is there anybody out there with a good collection
of Cadence lates 70's and early eighties?
I'd need some reviews from that...
any observation, idea or suggestion is welcome.
thanks a lot and ciao
Francesco
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 00:43:27 -0700
From: Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com (Martin Wisckol)
Subject: lacy recommendation
I love Lacy, seen him four times, have about 15 albums.
"Live at Sweet Basil" is my favorite. Others arouse fascination, but
"Sweet Basil" consistently rises to the top since it came out in 1991.
Lacy/Potts/Aebi/Few/Avenel/Betsch had really got their groove together
by this point. BMG/Novus/RCA. I have no idea of availability.
The poster of the original query mentioned Mal Walrdron's Hard Talk,
which I have to agree kicks major heinie. A desert island CD, a crown
in my book. And not far behind is Waldron's One-Upsmanship, also with
Lacy and Schoof.
Whatever, Lacy is a GIANT.
np: dino saluzzi - Cite de la Musique. This one has been filed into the
racks only briefly since it came out two years ago, spending most of
its time in that short list pile next to the CD player.
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 04:30:19 EDT
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: halana magazine
'lo all-
Possibly off topic- please bear with me on this one-
Came across a new periodical (at least for me) in my favorite music shop
titled "halana" . The magazine was sealed, so I didn't have a chance to grab
a peek of the contents inside. Some of the artists included in the 'zine
(and on the enclosed CD) include Richard Bishop, Ralph Haxton, idBattery,
Raphael Torel, David Tudor, and Motoharu Yoshizawa. Anyone know more about
this magazine and if it's worth picking up?
=dg=
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:44:51 GMT
From: Scott Handley <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: hips road summer blowout: pedagogical fantasy
"Did he say 'pedagogical'? Not on this list, the dirty bastard!"
Did anyone go to these?
Marc Ribot - Guitar Question & Answer (06/17/99 3 to 5:00pm)
Elliott Sharp - Notation Systems (06/18/99 Noon to 2:00pm)
William Parker - Construction of Creative Music (06/18/99 3 to 5:00pm)
Henry Threadgill - Question & Answer (06/19/99 3 to 5:00pm)
Wadada Leo Smith - Creative Music (06/19/99 Noon to 2:00pm)
How were they? Could anyone summarize/comment for the rest of us unlucky
enough not to be in NYC? And will anyone be able to after attending these?
Anthony Coleman - Composition (06/21/99 Noon to 2:00pm)
Dave Douglas - Ear Training and Improvisation (06/21/99 3 to 5:00pm)
I for one feel that space dedicated to Hips Road master classes and shows is
bandwidth well-spent.
Cheers,
Scott
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:04:39 EDT
From: Nvinokur@aol.com
Subject: Re: lacy recommendation
Steve Lacy duet album with Gil Evans is recommended.
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:06:13 GMT
From: Scott Handley <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Evan Parker?
>Recently someone mentioned the name Evan Parker to me. I'm not
>too familiar with him, although I know he plays the sax. Are any of you
>familiar with him, and if so do you know where I would be able to find
>his records?
1. Evan Parker is really brilliant, and I don't feel bad at all collecting
his records, which don't require trainspotting for all the beatiful subtle
differences to come into full bloom. An interesting article comparing
Parker's solo soprano saxophone improvisations to Milford Graves amazing
solo drum work can be found in John Corbett's excellent EXTENDED PLAY (Duke
Univ Press), as can an interview with the man on botany, saxophony, E.P.
Thompson, etc.
2. My absolute favorite record by E.P. is 50th BIRTHDAY CONCERT, a double CD
with one performance each by two of Parker's longstanding units,
Parker/Guy/Lytton and the Sclippenback Trio (is it still improv? who cares?
Interesting that both Paul Lytton's explanation of what P-G-L does and
Milford Graves' explanation of his own polyrhythmic approach, vis-a-vis
Corbett, should focus on physiological metaphors/models----namely the pulse
and heartbeat and a kind of comunicative respiration. The Sclippenbach Trio
(piano, percussion, sax) is an amazing experience, though when I saw them
Lytton was playing, and he is not the same as Lovens, who I will drive to
Europe to see, if necessary, before I/he die(s). Two great Sclippnebach
discs are PHYSICS and ELF BAGATELLEN. We are so overdue for a new release,
or reissues. Damn.
BREATHS AND HEARTBEATS is a fantastic Parker/Guy/Lytton record. And I
really like Parker's Electroacoustic Ensemble, which now has two records on
ECM (haven't heard the newest). Finally, I might encourage you to check out
the solo soprano album CONIC SECTIONS, which is really worth the price,
IMHO.
3. I like to patronize Downtown Music Gallery (1-800-622-1387, website
somewhere), because Bruce Gallanter knows quite a bit (mostly downtown
stuff, since NYC is apparently the electromagnetic center of the universe
["this isn't real money, this is French money!"]), and he's really friendly.
Cadence is a good source, though cheaper if you are "subscriber". You
might check with Gino Robair through his Rastascan website; he does some
imports, cheap.
4. I just posted a long-ass response. Now, is this case-in-point for a mad
phat FAQ that would settle this once and for all. I mean, if I was a newbie
and tuned in and found a concise recomm. FAQ from, say, Francesco
Martinelli----THAT would be excellent. Less bandwidth taken up with good
but repetitive questions. Just 2 cents.
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:13:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Evan Parker?
Rather than an E. Parker FAQ here, those interested could just check
Peter Stubley's excellent European Free Improvisers page and click on the
"Evan Parker" bio (or others of interest, come to think of it).
It's at:
www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/
Then the interested person could back to this list or another with
queries about so-and-so CDs, rather than those open-ended "tell me all about
XYZ and his recorded work". After all *everyone* here has his or her
favorite discs, which may not turn on the asker, wthout that person doing
a little research him or herself.
Ken Waxman
cj649@torfree.net
(N.P. John Butcher-Georg Graewe Light's View -Nuscope - features one back
cover and one inside photo by Susan O'Connor -- take that ML)
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:27:23 GMT
From: Scott Handley <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: hathut: the inquisition (long)
Guys & gals:
I would be upset too if someone posted a huge hunk of the HatHut catalog,
but once and for all, especially w/ the impending sale, aI'd like to solicit
public or private responses on Hat stuff I DON'T HAVE (yet). I'm just
interested in what any of the following recordings are like, or how well you
like them. I've enjoyed so much of my Hat stuff so much, it's really in
many ways the "anti-ECM", thoug not as much as, perhaps, Tzadik. Here, I'll
offer a few suggestions.
1. JIMMY LYONS/SUNNY MURRAY(/JOHN LINDBERG)- Jump Up. A nice, long, live
post-Ornette rave-up for the spritely right arm alto of Cecil Taylor; I have
no idea how this stacks up to Lyons' rather rare other solo recordings, but
this is a joyous occasion with Jimy soundings just great. Short heads with
mounds of blowing. I never get bored with this album, and it's a great
"morning record". Sunny Murray is in tip top shape, and recording quality
is excellent. A great investment for aspiring creative reedists.
2. ZORN / FRISELL / LEWIS - News for Lulu. Alto, electric guitar, and
trombone...the usual bebop combo. Of course. Hard-bop, Zorn-style, with a
kind of off-kilter contrapuntal approach. A brilliant way to mine a rich,
prolific tradition. Essential listening for Zorno-philes, "second-tier"
Zorn (not a must-have, but an excellent addition to the "classics"). So
worth checking out.
3. ANTHONY BRAXTON - Willisau (QUARTET) 1991. Don't be left out in the rain
on this one. "Masterpiece"-talk leaves me filled with ennui, but for this
to go out of print (?) is just too bad. I alost want to buy another in
preparation for my first set wearing out. Two live and two studio discs
from a week in Willisau, with Marilyn Crispell, Gerry Hemingway, and a
fabulous Mark Dresser. My favorite Brax bar-none, with absolutely model
recording quality and solid playing. The live discs are super-top-notch.
Expensive but worth it. I would recommend it without reservation to
adventurous listeners who are NOT even Brax collectors. Alpha and omega of
Braxton.
4. FRANZ KOGLMANN - Use of Memory. Rarified, but pretty neat. Actually, I
think everyone should own a Koglmann or two, he's just so different from
anything out there. Is it ignorant to call this "ultra-European"? He took
a bit of flak for differentiating between "white" and "black" jazz a number
of years ago, but when Franz sticks to what he knows, we are treated to a
bourgeois postmodernism that I find both charming and dark. He refers to
his music as "decadent", but don't expect HERETIC. Schubert, film theory,
serialism, percussive clatter, free-jazz, and chance make for a very
bewildering and bizarre sound-world.
Those are a few of the Hat catalog I think everyone should own. Of course,
maybe everyone DOES (oops). But below are some recordings I'd love to get
short opinions on. What's essential? What's cool? If, for example, I
could only afford five or six....
6001 HERBERT DISTEL / DIE REISE
6017 FRITZ HAUSER / DIE TROMMEL & DIE WELLE
6019 ANTHONY BRAXTON / FOUR COMPOSITIONS 1982 / 1988
6020 DAVID MURRAY / 3 D FAMILY
6026 MICHEL REDOLFI / SONIC WATERS 1983 / 1989
6029 MAARTEN ALTENA ENSEMBLE / QUOTL
6032 STEVE LACY NINE / FUTURITIES PART 2
6034 TON ╖ ART / Z∙
6037 FRITZ HAUSER & STEPHAN GRIEDER / THE MIRROR
6038 VIENNA ART ORCHESTRA / CONCERTO PICCOLO
6041 MAX ROACH & ARCHIE SHEPP / THE LONG MARCH 1
6042 MAX ROACH & ARCHIE SHEPP / THE LONG MARCH 2
6043 GR─WE-REIJSEGER-HEMINGWAY / SONIC FICTION
6045 STEVE LACY & BRION GYSIN / SONGS
6046 COE, OXLEY & CO / NUTTY
6049 URS LEIMGRUBER / UNGLEICH
6056 MAARTEN ALTENA OCTET / RIF
6057 JOE McPHEE PO MUSIC / LINEAR B
6058 ANDR╔ JAUME MUSIQUE POUR 8 / LÆOC
6060 HERBERT DISTEL / LA STAZIONE
6065 ANTHONY ORTEGA / NEW DANCE
6067 FRITZ HAUSER / PENSIERI BIANCHI
6069 STEVE LACY & MAARTEN ALTENA
2-6070 JOHN CAGE / MUSIC FOR FIVE
6073 VIENNA ART ORCHESTRA / FROM NO TIME TO RAG TIME
6076 MORTON FELDMAN / FOR BUNITA MARCUS
6079 STEVE LACY + 16 / ITINERARY
6081 PAUL BLEY / 12(+ 6) IN A ROW
6082 MAARTEN ALTENA OCTET / CITIES & STREETS
6084 GERRY HEMINGWAY QUINTET / SPECIAL DETAIL
6085 JOHN CARTER-BOBBY BRADFORD / SEEKING
6088 TON ╖ ART / MAL VU MAL DIT.
6091 URS LEIMGRUBER & FRITZ HAUSER / L'ENIGMATIQUE
6094 MAARTEN ALTENA ENSEMBLE / CODE
6096 VlENNA ART ORCHESTRA / A NOTION IN PERPETUAL MOTION
6102 STEVE LACY / REMAINS
6103 JO╦LLE L╔ANDRE & ERIC WATSON / PALIMPSESTE
6105 CHRISTY DORAN / WHAT A BAND
6107 MORTON FELDMAN / FOR SAMUEL BECKETT
6108 FRANZ KOGLMANN / SCHLAF SCHLEMMER, SCHLAF MAGRITTE
6109 KURT SCHWITTERS / URSONATE
6110 HANS KENNEL / MYTHA
6112 MARIA DE ALVEAR / EN AMOR DURO
6113 OLIVER LAKE / ZAKI
6114 KAZUO FUKUSHIMA / WORKS FOR FLUTE AND PIANO
6115 GALINA USTVOLSKAYA 1
6125 JOHN CAGE / FONTANA MIX
6126 PAUL SMOKER TRIO / GENUINE FABLES
6129 JOHN CAGE / PRELUDE FOR MEDITATION
6130 GALINA USTVOLSKAYA 2
6131 MATHIAS SPAHLINGER / EXTENSION
6132 KARLHEINZ STOCKHAUSEN / SPIRAL
6133 TOM JOHNSON / RATIONAL MELODIES
6136 MYRA MELFORD TRIO / ALIVE IN THE HOUSE OF SAINTS
6138 DAVE BURRELL / WINDWARD PASSAGES
6141 JOHN CAGE / WINTER MUSIC
6143 MORTON FELDMAN / WORKS FOR PIANO 2
6144 THE BAD BOYS / G. ANTHEIL, H. COWELL & L. ORNSTEIN
2-6145 MORTON FELDMAN / PATTERNS IN A CHROMATIC FlELD
6148 SCELSI, BYZANTIUM, THE ALCHEMISTS / VOXNOVA
2-6152 WESTBROOK-ROSSINI / Z▄RICH LIVE 1986
6157 SOVIET AVANT-GARDE / LOURI╔, MOSSOLOV, PROTOPOPOV & ROSLAVETZ
6163 FRANZ KOGLMANN & LEE KONITZ / WE THOUGHT ABOUT DUKE
6165 R. ANDERSON, C. HARRIS, G. LEWIS & G. VALENTE / SLIDERIDE
6166 MORTON FELDMAN / CLARINET & STRING QUARTET
6167 CHRISTIAN WOLFF / EXERCICES
6168 JOHN CAGE / SIXTY-EIGHT
6169 ERNSTALBRECHT STIEBLER / THREE IN ONE
6170 GALINA USTVOLSKAYA 3
2-6172 STEVE LACY & MAL WALDRON / LIVE AT DREHER PARIS 1981
6174 LEE KONITZ, DON FRIEDMAN & ATTILA ZOLLER / THINGIN 6176 NEW YORK
SCHOOL 3
6177 EARLE BROWN / SYNERGY
6178 SAXOPHONE / CONQUEST OF MELODY
6180 ALEA / EBERHARD BLUM
6181 DAVID TUDOR / PIANO AVANT-GARDE
6182 STEFAN WOLPE / PASSACAGLIA
6184 GUILLERMO GREGORIO / APPROXIMATELY
6185 HANS KENNEL / HABARIGANI BRASS
2-6186 MAL WALDRON & STEVE LACY / THE PEAK
6187 CATALOGUE / P╔N╔TRATION
6188 JOE MANERI QUARTET / DAHABENZAPPLE
2-6189 STEVE LACY TWO, FIVE & SIX / BLINKS
6191 CORNELIUS SCHWEHR / POCO A POCO SUBITO
2-6192 JOHN CAGE / TWO, FIVE & SEVEN
6193 JAMES TENNEY / BRIDGE & FLOCKING
4-6194 ANTHONY BRAXTON / PIANO MUSIC (NOTATED)1968-1988
6195 MORTON FELDMAN / TRIO
2-6196 ROMAN HAUBENSTOCK-RAMATI / POUR PIANO
6198 JON LLOYD QUARTET / BY CONFUSION
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