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Zorn List Digest        Tuesday, June 15 1999        Volume 02 : Number 677



In this issue:
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       RE: Let's Get Delusional!
       Re: John Coltrane etc.
       Re: Gainsbourg
       Re: Gainsbourg
       Re: Gainsbourg
       questions ..... and Kletka Red Berlin gig
       Zorn's Record Collection
       Re:Gainsbourg
       Re: Zorn's Record Collection
       Re:Gainsbourg
       Re: It's Not Just Size But what You Do With It
       Re: Gainsbourg
       Re: Zorn's Record Collection
       Re: Introduction
       Re: John Coltrane etc.
       Re: It's Not Just Size But what You Do With It
       Re: John Coltrane etc.
       Re: Introduction
       Re: Introduction
       Re: John Coltrane etc.
       Re: Zorn's Record Collection

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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:13:09 -0700
From: "Dave Egan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Let's Get Delusional!

The URL by the way, is www.corporeal.com

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Brian Olewnick
Sent: Monday, June 14, 1999 8:02 PM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Let's Get Delusional!


Great news for Partchaholics: The Partch page, Corporeal Meadows,
reports that 'Delusion of the Fury' will finally see the light of
digital day as "Enclosure 6", due to be released late this summer!!!

Brian Olewnick

(Very much hoping they include the instrument demonstration record in
the package)

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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:24:36 -0700
From: "Christian Heslop" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: John Coltrane etc.

    I will try to help as well as I can despite the gutting of my Varese and
Stravinsky collections. The recording "The Complete Works of Edgard
Varese", conducted by Richard Chailly and performed by the Royal
Concertgebouw Orchestra, is available as a two cd set. This version of the
complete works is valuable for it's inclusion of the original "Poeme
Electronique", which I'm not sure is available on other recordings.
However, the singer chosen for the performance of "Offrandes" is a little
too "operatic" for the part and manages to kill the haunting beauty of the
second song, "La Croix Du Sud", quite completely. A different collection
conducted by Kent Nagano is in my opinion far superior. This is probably
because "La Croix Du Sud" is one of my favourite pieces, and the singer on
the Nagano release sings much more in keeping with how I like to hear it.
Believe it or not, my Nagano-conducted copy was stolen. It was released as
two separate discs. I'm afraid that I can't remember the orchestra that
performed it.
    Two pieces that I like very much by Stravinsky that are not terribly high
profile are the suite version of "L' Histoire Du Soldat" and his "Three
Pieces for Clarinet Solo". I'm not really sure I can recommend a recording
of these. Mine were stolen years ago and I haven't gotten around to getting
them again.
    I'm enlisted in the Army and every once in awhile I have to begin the
morning with "The Soldier's March" played loudly enough to irritate my
barracks mates. The music evokes the circus in a way that really relates to
my experiences and keeps me outside and above this whole thing.
    The three clarinet pieces are historically interesting in that they were
written after Stravinsky's exposure to American Jazz.

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> From: [e-mail]
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: John Coltrane etc.
> Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 7:11 PM
>
> please someone direct me to the best works of:
> John Coltrane
> Ornette Coleman
>
> i have heard random works of both which i liked, but i need a base point.
> also:
> Ives
> Partch
> Varese
> Stravinsky
> Lee Konitz
> Carl Stalling
> Ohta Hiromi
> Ennio Morricone
>
> As of right now i'm just picking up names as i hear them....
> Being of the age 16 and living in the pit of TN i do, info about many of
> these artists is hard to find.
> Thanks be to anyone who can offer help.
>
> Ben            ........................Krucifly
>
> -
>

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:48:28 +0200
From: "Stephane Vuilleumier" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Gainsbourg

The problem with Gainsbourg stuff is not availability
but WHICH compilation to chose if you don't go for the
originals. I think the one you refer to is a digest
of the recent 10? CD series, itself a compilation.

But this being the Zorn list (remember: 32'000 LPs to beat, not counting
CDs), I would recommend a trip to France and buying all the hundreds
of original and compilation LPs of him you can find.

Seriously, I think you will find gems on ANY Gainsbourg sampler.
So if it's your first go at this material, I guess the 3 CD set
is a good start in recent, up-to-the-legend packaging.

Stephane

- -----Original Message-----
From: Paul Audino <[e-mail]>
To: Zorn Mailing List <[e-mail]>
Date: Dienstag, 15. Juni 1999 03:11
Subject: Gainsbourg


:Can anyone recommend the 3-CD set _De Gainsbourg A Gainsbarre _ that
:Polygram France relased not too long ago?
:
:Paul



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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 09:11:05 +0200 (MEST)
From: BJOERN <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Gainsbourg

> Hello,
>
> Can anyone recommend the 3-CD set _De Gainsbourg A Gainsbarre _ that
> Polygram France relased not too long ago?
>

yepp. it`s a great overview on the work of gainsbourg. i love it

BJOERN
www.tuebingen.net/eichstaedt


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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 09:17:26 +0200 (MEST)
From: BJOERN <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Gainsbourg

> But this being the Zorn list (remember: 32'000 LPs to beat, not counting
> CDs), I would recommend a trip to France and buying all the hundreds
> of original and compilation LPs of him you can find.

a friend of mine who runs a second hand store did so and came back empty
handed. whatever you find of gainsbourg, esspecially the originals is WAY
TOO expensive for the ordinary guy

bjoern


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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:49:43 +0200
From: "johnrust" <[e-mail]>
Subject: questions ..... and Kletka Red Berlin gig

Hi everyone,
that's the first time I'm writin' after a month of readin' (lack of courage
I guess)....

There's a a question I've got which I think is not that stupid for a
beginner like me - where can I find the mp3 samples of Zorn or Zorn-likes
on the web (if any)?..

Here in Berlin on Sunday there was a great gig of Kletka Red featuring
Leonid Soybelman from Ne Zhdali, Andy Moor from the Ex and an incredible
rhythm section of Tony Buck and Joe Williamson - they had once their
Hijacking CD on Tzadik. Wish you were here!..

The european prices for Tom Waits live are just as expensive as they are in
States... Really sad, I won't be able to affor 160 DM for seeing him, also
I was dreamin' about it since I was a kid livin' in the USSR ....

Something else:
I've got an absolutely new untouched version of Yankees CD (featurin' Zorn,
D.Bailey and G. Lewis) for trade. Is anyone interested?

J. Rust

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 20:20:41 +1000
From: "Josephine Yeatman or Jim Glaspole" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Zorn's Record Collection

Hey, I'll bet Zorn's record collection is 98% shite from obsequious morons
in bands (Phlegm) or run labels (c'est moi) who send him cartloads of their
own worthless products every day.  A CD is a CD and if it occupies space on
your "never will bother" shelf it still counts.
2% of 32000 still means 640 good titles, an average collection I'd say...
Jim
N.P.  "Hello Pingu" vid


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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 12:18:20 +0200
From: "johnrust" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:Gainsbourg

This compilation is OK, the lyrics are also there, so just in case you can
read French, you'll be fascinated with all those "explicit lyrics" :). I
would also recommend the Intoxicated Man - the Songs Of SG sung in English
by Mick Harvey, one of the co-founders of the Birthday Party and the most
important person in Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds (well, after Mr. Cave
himself.. :) ) . He claims that although SG was great, some of his
arrangements suck - and so Mick changes them .... completely! (e.g. Lemon
Incest). The second album of Gainsbourg's songs by Harvey (Pink Elefants)
does not sound that good to me, but there are still some unforgettable
moments there - Cave and Anita Lane doin' Je T'aime, for example.

But what is true - Serge's CD's are sooooooo expensive!!!


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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 12:39:49 +0200 (MEST)
From: BJOERN <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn's Record Collection

> Hey, I'll bet Zorn's record collection is 98% shite from obsequious morons
> in bands (Phlegm) or run labels (c'est moi) who send him cartloads of their
> own worthless products every day.  A CD is a CD and if it occupies space on
> your "never will bother" shelf it still counts.
> 2% of 32000 still means 640 good titles, an average collection I'd say...

1st thing: as far as i understood 32000 was just the VINYL!!!! so a cd on
the NEVER WILL BOTHER shelf does NOT count.
2nd: if you think of all the stuff that zorn is refering to all the time
in his work he must have thousands of NOT worthless records.
3rd: why the hell do you send stuff to him that you call WORTHLESS
yourself??

BJOERN
www.tuebingen.net/eichstaedt


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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 12:41:18 +0200 (MEST)
From: BJOERN <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:Gainsbourg

> But what is true - Serge's CD's are sooooooo expensive!!!

i was refering to the the original LPs.

BJOERN
www.tuebingen.net/eichstaedt


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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 06:44:03 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: It's Not Just Size But what You Do With It

My only responses are...with 32,000+ LPs, I hope the floors of his apartment
are re-inforced!  Can you imagine how *heavy* that amount of vinyl is?  To
put this amount in visual terms- this is over 110 "standard" wooden record
crates of vinyl...

=dgasque=

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 06:44:04 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Gainsbourg

In a message dated 6/14/99 9:11:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Can anyone recommend the 3-CD set _De Gainsbourg A Gainsbarre _ that
 Polygram France relased not too long ago? >>

Just wonderin'...is this the same set that was released in the US as 3
seperate CDs on Mercury in 1997?  I've got the _Comic Strip_ comp from that
set, which features material from 1967-68.  Good stuff.

=dgasque=

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:09:25 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Zorn's Record Collection

32,000 records... whats that, 3 or 4 every day for the past 30 years?!?  And
he has time to listen to all this when??  It just doesnt add up!

If anyone's ever seen the movie "Put Blood in the Music" you get a glimpse at
his record collection (which was I guess only about 15,000 back then).

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:11:35 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Introduction

In a message dated 6/14/99 9:08:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> so anyone see any of the food court South Street Seaport What Is Jazz?
shows?
> what a joke that venue is.

What do you want for nothing!

How about that Zorn/Laswell/Frith/Lombardo set?  Sounded incredible to me.

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 09:48:57 -0400
From: john petrie <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: John Coltrane etc.

Ben,

of the artist i am familar with, here's my opions:

>John Coltrane
For a wide variety try: Soultrane, Giant Steps, Live at the Village
Vanguard, Transition, and Living Space

>Ornette Coleman
Anything on Atlantic is the best place to start: try 'The Shape of Jazz to
Come' or 'Change of the Century.' There is also a disc called 'In All
Languages' that gives some acoustic and electric stuff.

>Partch
There are four volumes recently released on CRI, that are excellent, if not
essential. The first two are my favorites.

>Varese
There is a decent budget disc on Nonesuch that has many of his fine chamber
works (Octandre, Offandres, Integrales,...) also look for the pieces
Arcana, Poeme Electronique, Ameriques...

>Stravinsky
Rites of Spring, Pucinella, Petrushka (all ballets)

>Lee Konitz
Subconsciouslee (OJC), anything with Warne Marsh on it, Zounds (Soul Note),
Inside Hifi (Atlantic), Satori (Milestones). i don't think you can wrong
with Lee




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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:48:31 -0500
From: Craig Rath <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: It's Not Just Size But what You Do With It

At 06:44 AM 6/15/99 EDT, you wrote:
>My only responses are...with 32,000+ LPs, I hope the floors of his apartment
>are re-inforced!  Can you imagine how *heavy* that amount of vinyl is?  To
>put this amount in visual terms- this is over 110 "standard" wooden record
>crates of vinyl...
>

I was at a party once at the house of a musician who collected vinyl
albums.  Literally every wall in his house was taken up by shelves full of
vinyl - floor to ceiling.  That in itself was amazing enough, but when you
looked at the content of the collection, it was almost entirely music from
Broadway and off-Broadway productions (musicals).  Not my personal choice
for content, but to each his own.  So I guess my point is that if this
unknown musician from a small town in North Dakota can amass a collection
which appeared to overtake Zorn's, then someone who has lived in New York
and Japan most of his life (where the availability is much greater) could
probably do it as well.



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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 14:37:40 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: John Coltrane etc.

On Mon, Jun 14, 1999 at 10:11:59PM -0400, [e-mail] wrote:
> please someone direct me to the best works of:
> John Coltrane
> Ornette Coleman

There are probably as many ways into Ornette's music as there are albums.
I got into his work via the track "Beauty is a Rare Thing" on...uh...
"This is our Music"(I think). Actually, if you can, grab the boxed set
of the same name. You can't go wrong.

My other faves of his are "Of Human Feelings" (unfortunately only on an
out-of-print import, I believe), "Dancing in Your Head" (also out of print),
and his duet album with Charlie Haden, "Soapsuds Soapsuds". Actually, if
you can't get ahold of one of those two out of print albums, get "Body Meta"
for another good example of his electric work.

I will now proceed to be told that i have ears of tin and no taste :-)

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:27:57 -0400
From: "Zachary J. Griffin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Introduction

[e-mail] wrote:

> In a message dated 6/14/99 9:08:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [e-mail] writes:
>
> > so anyone see any of the food court South Street Seaport What Is Jazz?
> shows?
> > what a joke that venue is.
>
> What do you want for nothing!
>
> How about that Zorn/Laswell/Frith/Lombardo set?  Sounded incredible to me.
>
> -

 That show was my first time at the South Street Seaport Atrium.  I had no
idea it was a shopping mall.  I have to admit that once I realized where I
was, I was a bit worried about having a jazz festival with a performer who is
known for being a stickler for quality in a venue such as this.  But I thought
all the bands there that night sounded great.  And the Zorn, Laswell, Frith,
and Lombardo set was absolutely incredible.  It was one of the most intense
shows I've been to in years.  I did wonder if the mall was open during the
performances.  If so I can only wonder what the tourists from middle america
were thinking about the music that night.  And what they thought of a band
like...Sonic Youth on Sunday night, for example.

Zach



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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:25:32 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Introduction

In a message dated 6/15/99 8:14:29 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<< > so anyone see any of the food court South Street Seaport What Is Jazz?
shows?
> what a joke that venue is.

What do you want for nothing! >>

if by nothing, you're implying that the food court shows were free, they most
certainly were not. I paid $36 for two tickets to the Olivia Tremor
Control/Dirty Three, and the sound for the OTC was so bad they were almost
unlistenable. if it wasn't for the Dirty Three managing to overcome the
putrid sound and playing a great set in their only US appearance of 1999
(Warren Ellis wished us all Happy New Year), I'd be even more irritated about
the whole thing.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:06:37 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: John Coltrane etc.

Having seen other responses, I slap myself in the head and agree that if
you want to get one Ornette album, "In All Languages" is probably the
best starting point.

On Tue, Jun 15, 1999 at 02:37:40PM -0400, Joseph Zitt wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 14, 1999 at 10:11:59PM -0400, [e-mail] wrote:
> > please someone direct me to the best works of:
> > John Coltrane
> > Ornette Coleman

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 99 10:30:12 -0600
From: Doug Tapia <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn's Record Collection

>32,000 records... whats that, 3 or 4 every day for the past 30 years?!?  And
>he has time to listen to all this when??  It just doesnt add up!

I think what everyone is not taking into account on this thread is that
when you have a serious collection of any kind, and people know about
this collection, you start to have all sorts of stuff given to you.  I'm
not talking about promo stuff and disks by friends, I'm talking about
widows and disillusioned collectors.

Once, when I was just starting in college, I was playing on a dance band
with a really old saxophonist/leader guy.  We got to talking about
collecting music on the last break and we spoke of our collections.  At
the end of the gig I packed up and left saying a brief goodbye.  A few
years later, I got a call out of the blue from him and he told me that he
was ill and was worried about what would to his collection if he were to
die.  He talked me into comming by his house and giving a good home to
some of his more prized albums.  When I got there, he escorted me into a
basement full of records and by the time I left I had somewhere around 40
boxes of records!  I ended up with a ton of Basie, Ellington, Mingus,
Kenton, etc.

A few years later, a friend and I were driving through an old
neighborhood and saw a pile of boxes that had a big sign saying "take me"
 We pulled to the curb and found a ton of orchestral and chamber music
albums.

Then there was the time that the old gospel pianist got a ton of Black
Saint disks because someone he had played for thought that he'd enjoy
them as he was a "jazz fan"  He heard about five minutes of one and as he
put it "As soon as I heard that saxophone screaching, I though of you."
So I inherited these as well.

My point is, is that if this has happens to little old me, just imagine
if you are internationally known as a collector and proponent of "wierd
music."  Zorn probably has people shipping him old and unwanted stuff on
a regular basis.  I know I'll want my collection to go to someone who can
appriciate it and not part it out when I'm old and grey.  Maybe if Zorn
has a son. . .


Doug

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